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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: 25selena on Thursday 14 May 09 22:41 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am looking for any Perfitt information. I have a possible May Audrey Perfitt born c1916 in Ipswich. Mother's maiden name is Ludbrook.
May Audrey or Audrey May as I would know her died in 1960 in bucks age 43. She married and her surname became Martin lewis. She had a son Gerald Henry in 1943. His father was a canadian pilot during WWII. She remarried in 1953 to Fran Charles Gurney in St Alban.
I know that Audrey's father was Arthur Perfitt - postman GPO. he died before 1953. I (and a very helpful Roots person) have checked records for Arthur Perfitts but it is guess work but the closest is one from Ipswich. he would have had a second daughter called Joyce born 1921.
If anyone has any info or advice I would be so happy. This is may father's side of the family and I have no info about them apart from the above.
Thanks
SElena
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Do you have the Perfitt/Ludbrook marriage, if not will post details.
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Hi,
no, not yet.
That would be great, thanks
selena
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Arthur Perfitt
Edith H. Ludbrook
1914
Ipswich
Sept Qtr.
Vol. 4a
Page 2262
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Thank you very much.
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I think the marriage reg was posted on your previous topic
I am sending you a Pm with some information which I cannot post on the board
Suz
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Hi selena,
have sent you a PM
have information on Arthur Perfitt and Edith h Ludbrook
birth reg freeBMD
Edith hilda Ludbrook
Mar qtr 1886
ipswich
4a 813
seems she went by the name Hilda Edith ???
daughter may Audrey changed her names around too!!
Possibly Edith Hilda and Arthur met in a lunatic asylum - don't worry - they were working there - not inmates!
1911 census shows at Borough Lunatic Asylum, foxhall Rd, Ipswich, Suffolk
Arthur Perfit single 26 Asylum attendant b Ipswich
Hilda Edith Ludbrook single age 25 asylum nurse b Ipswich
they must have been a very caring couple to be in that kind of ocupation
suz
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Hi Suz
What brilliant info you have found for Selena & I'm so pleased I was able to help along the way. ;D
Maddie
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Hi maddie,
Hope selina is pleased - I'm tracing the ludbrooks for her - do you want to help out???
looking for william G ludbrook c.1860 peasenhall Suffolk in 1901 - he's not at home with family???
Suz
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1901
32 dillwyn st west Ipswich
Mary A Ludbrook head m 37 Boardinghouse keeper Clapton Suffolk
HILDA daughter 15 Ipswich
Claude son 10 Ipswich
plus 3 boarders
RG13 1773 94 13
1891
28 Dillwyn st West Ipswich
William ludbrook head m 30 J Joiner peasenhall Suffolk
Mary Ann wife 29 Clapton suffolk
HILDA daughter 5 scholar Ipswich
Claude son 4 mths Ipswich
Clementina Goodram Boarder 14 scholar Ipswich
Elsie Goodram Boarder 12 scholr ipswich
RG12 1466 98 29
possible marriage
FreeBMD
mar qtr 1885
Ipswich
on same page
William George Ludbrook
Mary Ann broom
4a 816
suz
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Hi Suz
Only have the index to 1901 but is that him in Northumberland, William LudbrookE, Civil Parish Hirst, Foreman Bricklayer.
Maddie
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Hi maddie,
thanks for looking - but no - that not him - there are a few b Peasenhall at the same time - I can only find the ne we are looking for in 1861 1891 and pos 1881
heres Hilda's brother in 1911
Claude V Ludbrooke single age 20 b Ipswich in the military in Devonport
suz
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I think this may be your William G Ludbrook in 1901.
William G. Ludbrook Age 44 Farrier b. Peasenhall
Eliza 37
George 16
Hannah 66 Mother
RG13/639 Page 6 Croydon Surrey
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Hi Amber - no that's not him - he's the "other" William G . The William we are loking for will not be with his wife (mary Ann-we have her in 1901 - but William is not at home
Suz
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Hi Suz
Looks like he died June qtr 1903, Ipswich 4a 495, so I wonder could he be the,
W G L born 1861 in Suffolk on Anc.
Sorry I don't have a sub just now but I found this one on the index by just putting in the search; W G for first name, 1861 for birth date & Suffolk for residence. :)
Hope you can find him. ;)
Maddie
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Maddie - you clever girl - it very much looks like that is him - place fits, occupation fits
It doesn't give p.o.b. for any of them
1901
Borough Asylum
Ipswich Suffolk
(all patients have a number and then are entered by just initials)
2315 W.G.L. Patient married 40 Retired Carpenter - lunatic
Rg13 1781 139 5
so possibly the poor man had some kind of breakdown - and ended up in the asylum - and Hilda became a nurse at the asylum to "keep an eye" on her father - she sounds a caring person to me
Suz
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That's great, ;), I had a feeling it might be an Asylum. To think his daughter actually took up nursing possibly because of her father.
I do hope after all this that we have the correct family for Selena. ;D
Maddie
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I am pleased that you have solved this .
I too had found the death and was searching for William in the Ipswich Hospital.
Is there any way of looking through old Hospital or Asylum records to make'' certain for sure '' as the saying goes.
Regards Amber39
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Hi guys,
I feel honoured to have so many helpers here. I have got a bit lost on this. I have my fathers' birth and he was a Perfitt (stepfather adopted him to become Gurney). I am still not convinced that we have the correct Audrey. She was def born in 1916. I have her death and 2nd marriage cert which would make her a 1916 birth. She died in January 1960 age 43. She married Nov 1953 age 37 which would both give us 1916.
My father was born in Surrey. There are no Arthur Perfitts (Audrey's father) in Surrey if I remember. he had died by Nov 1953.
There is a possible Arthur Perfitt who was a soldier. was in India, Afghanistan, NWF. maybe she was born abroad? Will try that option. Would a soldier become a postman (according to her marriage cert)?
This is so difficult with no info but until 4 weeks ago all I knew of my grandmother was her name was Audrey May and died when my dad was 16, so progress has been made!
Thank you for your help. And please don't let me stop you searching more.....
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Hi Selena,
We race ahead - it must take some understanding - maybe this will clarify what we have found
We have assumed May Audreys father was Arthur perfitt who married Edith Hilda Ludbrook in 1914 - and have traced both of them on census.
Then we have concentrated on Edith Hildas family . Edith hilda (who if our research turns out to be correct) would be Audrey's mother.
It seems Edith Hilda used her middle name (Hilda) as her first name. -as did your audrey.
As yet you have no definate proof of audreys y.o.b. - marriage certs required no proof of age - death certs just give the age the infomant gave on registering the death
(on my grandparents marriage cert -gran states she is 21 - granddad states he was 30 - when in reality gran was 18 and grandfather 36.)
Audrey could have knocked a year or even 2 off her age when she had gerald - especially if his father was younger than her - and then never told the truth after that - it happens very often.
yes a soldier could become a postman after leaving the forces - but so could an asylum attendant.
Could you post the source of infomation on the Arthur perfitt in India so we can check him out.
Your father's birth was reg in Surrey SE district - but as it seems his mum was not married at the time she could have left her hometown to have the baby elswhere. She could have been working in the district - possibilities are endless.
I have one in my tree who was born in an RAF hospital in Worcetershire - was in the hospital for a couple of weeks after birth - and never set foot in the county again for 30 years
so possibilities are endless - you just have to keep searching until one piece of information completes the jigsaw
Suz
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Hope you don't mind Selena but I will link to your thread on Herts board for the MIC card info that Peter kindly provided.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,381392.0.html
As this Arthur was in the RAMC ( Royal Army Medical Cor) I would think his job as an Asylum attendant would certainly have been a good qualification.
I have everything crossed that we are on the right track for you. :)
Maddie
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Hi
I have another thread in the Herts section perfitt/Gurney help and the info was posted there.
Arthur Perfitt Private RAMC no. 82366 Indian General Service Medal and clasp for Service in Afghnaistan and the NWF
There is an address for 18 Wilberforce Street, Ipswich.
Maddie put the post there
I will keep searching - so glad its the weekend so I can spend a few hours on here searching. Thank goodness for the internet!
I really appreciate the help. I love finding my missing family - even if it is just names.
Selena
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I have to spend more time on this site fo find out how everything works!!
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1911 census shows at Borough Lunatic Asylum, Foxhall Rd, Ipswich, Suffolk
Arthur Perfit single 26 Asylum attendant b Ipswich
Hilda Edith Ludbrook single age 25 asylum nurse b Ipswich
St Clement's Hospital in Foxhall Road Ipswich (formerly Ipswich Borough Asylum) is still in use as a hospital for mental illnesses today.
Photographs and write up at
http://www.countyasylums.com/mentalasylums/stclements01.htm
Pat ...
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Selena - you will be so pleased- i have found Audrey's 1st marriage reg!!!!!!! I must have missed it first time I looked
Sept qtr 1946
Wandsworth
Audrey M Perfitt
John R Martin-Lewis
5d 2151
now- that would be an interesting certificate to have!!!!
Suz
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Oh well done Suz ;D
It may even be possible to find the death of Audrey's first husband now. :o
I'm so pleased for Selena.
Now my bed is calling. :)
Maddie
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I have been chomping at the bit all day - had chickens to clean out, shuttle runs to duaghter's parties etc and all I wanted to do was get back on the tree!!
Suz - thank you so much for finding that first marriage - I keep using freebmd but have decided it is incomplete as could not find a thing. Off to GRO site now.
Just updated my mum on this info and she says that Perfitt rings a bell. She also says that udrey beinga nurse sounds familiar. My dad was put in a homewhen he was about 8 or 9 beacuse Audrey was working at a house presumably as children's nurse/nanny but my dad broke things so wasn't allowed to stay. he ended up in a catholic home looked after by nuns. He was very unhappy which is why he wouldn't talk about his childhood I think.
This is so exciting!
Thank you for your help guys.
selena ;D
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Hi Selena,
FreeBMD is being transcribed by volunteers -so is being updated all the time -they are up into 1920s -ad eyond in some districts.
I have all the census with Arthur and family on ready to pst for you - ut I will do it later tonight or tomorrow - we have a rumbling of thunder so am going to switch off - had a thunderstorm yesterday - lighting struck a house a mile away - noise was so loud thought it was my house- the electiciy supply was cut and some houses in locality had phone sockets melted!!!
So I'm off - therell be more tomorrow
Suz
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Hope all is well with you Suzard :)
With our daughter now in your part of the world, she misses the power cuts that happen every time we have a storm here (but not a lot).
Wise to turn everything off, just in case ;)
Pat ...
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Hi selena,
I have some info, on a Arthur Perfit from my family tree.
Arthur Perit born 1885, marriage to Edith Hilda Edith Ludbrook 1914.
They had two daughters
May Audrey Perfitt 1915-1960. Marriage to Frank C Gurney 1953.
Joyce M. Perfitt 1921-1936.
Arthur Perfit, son of Alfred William Perfitt 1847-1909.
Alfred William Perfitt, son of Robert Perfit 1806-1882, my 3rd great grand father.
I don't have much more info on May Audery & Frank Gurney, but I hope this helps in some way.
Regards Kit.
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Hi Kit,
Thank you for the info.
Audrey was my grandmother. I have very little information about Perfits apart from a few dates etc.
I think either Edith or Arthur had a brother. I know that Arthur was in the RAMC and also worked in Ipswich asylum where Edith's father was.
Audrey was married before Frank Gurney (who I knew as my grandfather). My blood grandfather was a Canadian service man.
I have just one photo of Audrey. So sad that she lost her parents and sister so young. Do you have any information about Joyce?
How closely related to Audrey are you?
Regards
Selena
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Hi Selena,
It's nice to make a connection, Audrey would be my 2nd cousin twice removed if that makes any sense..? But a family member all the same.
The only information I have for Joyce is the birth any Death Records, sorry thats all until the next census is released in 2021.
As for Edith she had a brother, Claude Victor Ludbrook, Born 1891 • Ipswich, Suffolk, England
Death MAR 1939 • Gosport, Hampshire, England. He was a seaman, I've got him serving on H M S Aboukir in 1911.. you can google all about the ship...
Arthur Perfit had 1 brother & 3 sisters.
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Sorry my laptop went..
Regards Kit
Do you know the name of your Blood Grandfather?
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Do you know the name of your Blood Grandfather?