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Daniel Daly married Julia Kavanagh (1873 Drumcondra).
In 1911 they lived 50 Botanic Avenue (South Side), Glasnevin, North Dublin. He was a builder and is believed to have (later) become a Town (or City) Councillor
Julia's parents (Michael Kavanagh and Mary ??) had other children before migrating to Liverpool ~1868-70:
Thomas
Mary Esther
John
Agnes
I need help in finding where Julia and her siblings were born and the surname of their mother, etc.
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according to the 1911 census return Julia and Daniel were married about 1875 .. so the marriage should be included in the Civil Registers.
The Irish Civil Index can be searched at familysearch : http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1408347;p=2;t=searchable
research certs can be ordered from the GRO using the reference numbers from the index : www.groireland.ie
a marriage cert will give you bride & grooms occupations & residences, brides maiden name, father's names & occupations etc
Since Daniel was born in Co. Kilkenny and Julia in Dublin City - both places would seem possible places for the marriage, but seeing as all the children were born in Dublin, that is probably the place to start the marriage search.
A quick search shows two Daniel Daly marriages in the Dublin area around the right time - one in 1873 in Dublin North and the other in 1876 in Rathdown. (Dublin North registration district covers north city, Rathdown includes south city suburbs and county)
Shane
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Thoms 1922 gives Danl. Daly, builder, Hillsborough, 52 Botanic Ave
Thoms 1937 Mrs Daly at this address
I can't find him as a city councillor in 1922 .... or county Dublin
eadaoin
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Hi there, I just stumbled across this posting by chance when looking for something else and am now very curious. I am Daniel Daly's great grandson and live at Hillsboro, Botanic Avenue! Looking forward to hearing from you to see connection and follow-up on exploration of family history. All best wishes, John Daly
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there's a possible cross match for that 1873 marriage on the BMD Index :
Name: Daniel Daly
Registration district: Dublin North
Event type: Marriage
Registration year: 1873
Volume: 17 / Page: 583
Name: Julia Kavanagh
[same references as Daniel]
A cert would give their father's names and occupations and help you work back further. You can order certs from the GRO by post, or from their research room in Abbey St.
see :
Ordering Certs from GRO Roscommon (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433040.0.html)
Details included on a Marriage Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html)
Shane
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a possible baptism for a child of Daniel and Julia in St. Agatha's parish the year after their marriage. Their address at the time is 35 Frederick St.
Baptism of Mary Ellen Daly - 1874 (http://churchrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/details/76d0d41189217)
I dont see a Mary Ellen on the 1901 or 1911 return... maybe she was one of the children that didn't survive.
Daly household 1911 (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Dublin/Glasnevin/Botanic_Avenue__South_Side/16700/) Daly household 1901 (http://census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Dublin/Glasnevin/Botanic_Avenue/1273827/)
Shane
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Thanks Shane, really appreciate your help, wonderful! J.
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some Thom's listings for Daniel :
1927 - Danl. Daly, builder, 52 Botanic Ave., Hillsborough
1914 - Danl. Daly, builder, Hillsborough, Botanic Ave., Glasnevin
(listed in a section at the beginning of the Ave.
separate to those with numbers)
1906 & 1899 - Daniel Daly, builder, Hillsborough, Botanic Ave., Glasnevin
1891 - the only Daniel Daly listed in the trades index is a grocer at 18 Berkley Rd... maybe your Daniel was working for someone else at that time...
Shane
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extracted birth records from FamilySearch for some of the older children :
Daly / Kavanagh births (https://www.familysearch.org/search/records#count=20&query=%2Bsurname%3Adaly~%20%2Bfather_givenname%3Adaniel~%20%2Bmother_givenname%3Ajulia~%20%2Bmother_surname%3Akavanagh~&collection_id=1584963)
No sign of the marriage that I see in the extracted collection, or on IrishGenealogy, so probably will require a civil cert to establish the details.
Shane
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Hi John,
I'm hoping you are still reviewing this post.
I think we are second cousins once removed. Daniel Daly was also my great grandfather, my grandfather being Patrick Daly (who married Margaret Kilmurray).
I'm guessing you might be Joe Daly's son in which case my mother Breda (Daly) Walsh was his first cousin.
I've been threatening to look at the family history for a while and finally started doing something about it this year. I'd be very interested in comparing notes, particularly if you have any original documents or photos.
And even better I'm now only around the corner from you in Glasnevin.
Looking forward to hearing from you.
Anne
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Hi zzjopark and John,
Doesn't look like either of you have checked in here recently but just incase.
zzjopark the marriage record you were looking for for Daniel and Julia shows the marriage took place in St Paul's Arran Quay on 12th Oct 1873.
Unfortunately it only gives the two fathers names - Patrick Daly with an address in Kilkenny and Michael Kavanagh with his address given as Liverpool. There is no further information for Julia's family.
You gave wife's name of Mary and listed some of the other kids, could you let me know where you got this information?
John I found some old newspaper articles regarding your grandfathers death, not sure if you have seen them or not.
Many thanks
A
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Hiya
What occupations were given for the 2 father's - this might help narrow down a search !
Tara
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Hi Tara,
Unfortunately no occupation is given for either father on the marriage cert.
Will keep digging.
A
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Unfortunately no occupation is given for either father on the marriage cert.
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sounds like that may be an RC parish record - a civil cert should show occupations.
see : Details included on a Marriage Cert (http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html)
S.
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I have just returned to this site after several years. I am still interested in the Julia Kavanagh who married Daniel Daly 12 October 1873 in Dublin.
I am a descendant of Julia's parents - Michael and Mary who lived in Liverpool with their other children (everybody born in Ireland)
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The marriage cert is now online
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1873/11287/8140744.pdf
And the church register
https://registers.nli.ie/registers/vtls000633663#page/148/mode/1up
Top of the page.
If any of Julia's siblings listed in the first post were born after 1864 they should have birth Certs online.
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1846 Michael Cavana to Mary Mooney at Pro Cathedral
daughter Agnes baptised 1863
Maria Esther baptised 6th April born 27th March 1866 no obvious civil cert
these two names tally with the 1871 and 1881 English census of Liverpool on Family Search
http://www.rootschat.com/links/01lf8/
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1862 Dublin Street Directory 27 Upr Liffey St, Michael Kavanagh furniture broker
http://www.libraryireland.com/Dublin-Street-Directory-1862/823.php
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Nicholas born 1860 died age 2 1862
Mary born 1858 died age 4 1862 both coming up on Glasnevin index when entering 27 Liffey St into address box
https://www.glasnevintrust.ie/genealogy/results/index.xml
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Thank you, Sinann and Datha. I had found the marriage entry, but was searching for Mary (Maria) Esther to confirm that I had the correct parents (I had already found Agnes born 10 July 1863, bapt. 24 July 1863).
It would seem that they are, without doubt, "my" Michael and Mary.
In case anybody else is interested, there were also a son Thomas (close in age to Julia, whose bapt. I have not found ?~1851) and John born about 1856 (who I have also not yet found). The three youngest (? possibly Thomas, also) moved to Liverpool with their parents.
Mary Esther married Martin Dolan in Liverpool, and died 26 Oct 1918; John died in 1935 - I don't know whether he married.
Agnes married my g-grandfather in Liverpool 27 May 1884
I wonder if anybody has come across the births/baptisms of Michael (birth estimated to be about 1820 - 1823) and Mary (birth estimated to be about 1827 - 1830)?
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John's baptism is included in the link i gave you to the church record's Johannes (Latin for John )2nd August 1856.
There appears to be a gap of 8 yrs from the time of marriage 1846 to the first baptism 1854 perhaps they were in a different parish that is not yet online.
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Thank you, once again, Dathai. Now that I have actually perused the link, I see that there were several other children. I think that I may have found the baptism of Michael (the father) in the register of St Michael & St John. 20 Apr 1823 Father: Michael Mother: Esther Hannigan
I should probably search the registers around the pro-Cathedral for Thomas
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These Daly's and Kavanagh's may be related to my ancestors just based on name frequency. My g-g-g-grandmother, Jane Cavanagh, married Timothy Daly somewhere in Ireland in the early 1820s.
By the 1830s, they were living in Bathurst, New Brunswick, Canada. Their son, William Daly, moved to Boston in the 1860s and worked as a stevedore. His son's married a Mary Mooney, son of Patrick, son of Timothy, son of Timothy. The Mooney's were from Galway, as lore says the Daly's were.
In the 1860 Boston census, there are Carr's(Cair's) living with them. You'll note on the church register for your Julia Kavanagh's marrieage, there are Carr's just below their entry.
My Jane Cavanagh could be the aunt of your Michael Kavanagh.
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I think that, at this stage, we can only regard this as 'tenuous' - although my father told me of oral tradition that the family was supposed to be emigrating to the USA but Mary (nee Mooney) was so travel-sick crossing to Liverpool that they decided to stay in England. How valid this is, I do not know.
Anyway, perhaps you can help me make sense of your sentence "His son's married a Mary Mooney, son of Patrick, son of Timothy, son of Timothy. " Do you mean daughter of Patrick, son of Timothy, son of Timothy??
The Kavanagh family moved to Liverpool some time after 1866 and before 1871, because the youngest daughter was born in Dublin 1866 and the family was in Liverpool at the time of the 1871 Census.
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" Do you mean daughter of Patrick, son of Timothy, son of Timothy??"
Yes.
She married first, Robert Daly, who died young. Then she married his brother, Daniel. These brothers, and six other siblings where very famous in Vaudeville from 1880-1904. All actors, comedians, dancers.