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Hi,
I am hoping someone can help to un-confuse me....?
I have come across a section of my family where half the children have their father's surname and half have another surname - whats going on there?? I found this info on the 1881 census.
The family in the spot light are:-
James (b c1829) and Mary E (b c1836) Mellor.
They had 8 children.
George Dransfield (b 1864) (my great great granddad)
Nathan Mellor (b 1864)
Wright Mellor (b 1868)
Hannah Dransfield (b 1868)
Sarah Dransfield (b 1870)
Chas Dransfield (b 1876)
William Mellor (b 1877) and
Joseph Mellor (b 1879)
All were born in Almondbury, Yorkshire and James was an outdoor labourer.
Why did the children have 2 surnames?? Could the parents have been married before and the Dransfield's be from Mary's previous marriage?? I have no other information on James or Mary E so further info about them would also be greatly appreciated as well.
I hope thats enough info to trace this family.
Thank you in anticipation
Legs
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Hi
Its quite possible that mary was married before. On the information in the 1881 census, I would be looking for:
- a marriage of a Male DRANSFIELD to a MARY female sometime before 1868
- a death of a Male DRANSFIELD of the same name sometime from 1875 onwards to 1876
- a marriage of JAMES MELLOR to a Mary DRANSFIELD or a Mary same name as earlier marriage from 1875 to 1876
- an earlier marriage of JAMES MELLOR to unknown female sometime before 1864
- a death of unknown MELLOR wife sometime between 1868 and 1876
If someone can find the two familes in 1871, all may become clearer!
You could look on the FREEBMD website for marriages and deaths.
Good hunting!
Paul
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Hi Legs
1871 Ash House,
Dransfield........
Mary E widow head 35 farmer,
George son 7
Joe son 5
Hannah daugh 3
Sarah A daugh 1
Edna KAY unm aunt 58
all born Almondbury
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1871 Ash House Comon
Mellor ........
Rachel unm head 69. Farmer
James m son 32, Labourer
Sarah m wife 31
Nathan son 7
Wright son 3
William not stated 30, Labourer
Sykes BUCKLEY not stated 4
All born Almondbury
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My guess would be that Sarah Mellor died, and James Mellor married Mary Dransfield.
Hope this helps.
VAT ;)
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Thank you, thank you, thank you! ;D
Thank you both for replying to my post so soon, I am now much less confused about my ancestors!
So now I have to find out who Mary E's 1st husband was as he was the father of my great great granddad George.....Any ideas??
I can't believe how my family seem to confuse things so much - but at least you have cleared up one mystery for me.
Thank you again
Legs. :) :) :)
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p.s: just to add a little more confusion......I believe Rachel Mellor married William Mellor in May 1827 and her maiden name was Dransfield....could this be inter-family marriage or something along those lines??
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VAT just beat me....
James Mellor's age threw me at first...i had it down as 32 too ! but it is actually 42 on the original..the 4 is the same as the 4 of Sykes Buckley's age.
The Dransfields -
in the next house - address also Ash House
Thomas DRANSFIELD Head Unm. 50 farmer 15? acre
Betty " sister in law widow 58 washerwoman
Mary AINLEY housekeeper 48 housekeeper
I have 1851 & 1841 - would you like me to look for the same address ?
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Thank you Kathy,
I would be most greatful if you could check the address for the other census's.
I am currently trawling through FreeBMD looking for all the things which Paul suggested. So far I have found the marriage of James Mellor and Mary Ellen Dransfield which took place in the December quater of 1876. I have also looked for Mary Ellen's previous marrige but I haven't come up with anything that fits with her age or location and now FreeBMD has frozen on me - oh the joy of researching the family!!
Thank you again
Legs.
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In 1851 at Almondbury
the (I am sure) same houses - listed as Ash Houses
George DRANSFIELD Head M 53 Farmer 15 acres
Mary " wife M 54
John " son 24 Ag Lab
Sophia " dau 22 power loom weaver
Walter? " son 20 Ag Lab
Edna " dau 16 worsted reeler
Alfred " grandson 10 scholar
Adam Botheroyd lodger
next door
Thomas DRANSFIELD Head Unm 30 Farmer 12 acres
Mark DRANSFIELD Bro M 50 Fancy weaver
Betty " wife M 40 " "
Ann " dau 18 power loom weaver
Tom " son 14 worsted spinner
Luke " son 5 scholar
all born Almondbury
At Ashes Common there are three families of Mellors and then
Joseph DRANSFIELD 40 frmer with wife Ellen 34
children Ann, Martha, Elizabeth, Eliza, William, Joe & Ellen
There are quite a lot of Dransfield's in the area.......probably all related in some way !!
Perhaps Mary E married John or Walter ??
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Hi Alllegs
The Mellor - Dransfield marriage you have found sounds about right: if you were to obtain this marriage cert it should give you her maiden name.
Kathy - did your 12.19 post miss out the Dransfields in 1861, by mistake?
Paul
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I am really really sorry - but I don't have access at home to 1861 census !!
However - have had a look at 1841 - and got myself in a real tiz !
Found Ashes Common.....
Loads of Mellors of course....
and :
Joseph DRANSFIELD 60 Delver
Thomas " 15 Fancy Weaver
Mark " 35 Fancy weaver
Betty " 25 fancy weaver
Ann HOBSON 7
Tom DRANSFIELD 4
another boy.....looks like Green ? surely not - maybe Greaves.... age unclear - either 1 or 2
I've been backwards and forwards like.....I don't know what....and I cannot find Ash Houses......maybe is wasn't built pr had another name....and I couldn't remember who I was looking for in the end....going for a lay down in a darkened room !
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By the way - I have done a bit of research on Mellors (but not this area...) there are loads of them.....it would be interesting to find some-one who was descended from 'King Lud' ...... I think he was from Marsden.
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Kathy, you're absolute star but please don't get too stressed on my behalf!! ;)
Its funny you should mention Marsden - half of my family lived (and still live) there, but they are from the other side of the tree!!
Now the Mellor/Dransfield children's surnames problem had been clarified I am now not related to the Mellors, only the Dransfields (I think I need to lie down in a darkened room too!)
I now just need to tie up all the loose ends (of which I seem to have millions!) and I am still no closer to finding Mary Ellen's 1st husband (my great great great granddad).
Whilst I'm here, if you're not all too fed up of chasing Mellor's and Dransfield's I would really appreciate some one checking out George Dransfield and family. He was born in 1864 in Almondbury, I thought he married Amelia, but cannot find their marriage on FreeBMD. They had 3 children, George (b 1886), Minnie (b 1889) and Edna (my great gran) (b 1892).
Thank you all again
Love
Legs
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P.S if any of you have roots in Sussex, I'm only a stones throw away from the Chichester and Lewes GRO's if you require any info from them I can return the favour and check them out for you.
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Ok, here goes again......
I have found 3 possible husbands for Mary Ellen (Lucky lady!) on FreeBMD and would appreciate views on these possibilities. Obviously I am stabbing in the dark here as there are more marriages on the page than just the one I am looking for...anyway....
Brook Dransfield married Mary Barker June 1/4 1868. I cannot find a death record for Brook though and it seems to be just Mary not Mary Ellen.
James Dransfield married Mary Jepson September 1/4 1867. Same again here as I cannot find a death record for James and the women is Mary not Mary Ellen.
Robert Dransfield married Mary Ellen Haigh December 1/4 1870. My only problems here are Mary would have had at least 2 children before she was married, I know its not unusual to have 1 child before marriage but I've never heard of 2 children being born before marriage.....and I cannot find Robert's death either.
What do you think?? ???
Thanks yet again :)
Legs
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I still think it was one of George's sons......as Beorge was named after his grandfather !
There are very few marriages transcribed in the few years before 1863 on freebmd......if you look on the graphs.....but the following years are GREAT!
Anway.....Sarah was 1 year old in 1871......so I assume Mary E was only recently widowed.....
There is a death for a Walter Dransfield aged 39 ....which would fit !
at Huddersfield in Sept. q 1870 9a 221
anyone fancy a little wager ??????
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Never mind a wager - I need a Double Vodka!!
I am soooooooo confused (nothing new!!) I've completely lost the plot and have no idea who belongs to who etc etc, I'm starting to think that you know my family roots better than I do Kathy! Oh well I think I need a big piece of paper and need to draw out what you have all told me to try and piece everything together before I confuse myself more. Why can't may family be more straight forward??! Is your tree this baffelling? Also, Mary Ellen had another child...Charles Edward Dransfield in 1876 so I'm guessing her 1st husband is his father........then again who knows! But if she was widowed by they time the 1871 census was taken then I really am confused
Thank again
Legs
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P.S I have also found...
Joseph Dransfield b 1776 married Ann Ainley b 1780 on 3/12/1801 in Almondbury. Thay had 7 children:-
Mark b 5-5-1802 (married Betty b 1812 and had Ann (1833) Tom (1837) and Luke (1846))
Martha b 24-3-1804
Robert ch 27-4-1808
Joseph ch 13-2-1810 (married Ellen and had Ann, Martha, Elizabeth, Eliza, William, Joe and Ellen)
Ann ch 9-1-1812
Mary ch 26-9-1814 and
Thomas ch 11-6-1821
Also:-
George Dransfield (b 1790) married Mary Beaumont (b 1794) Not sure when they married though. They had...
Henry ch 26-2-1816
Nanny ch 3-4-1820 and
Thomas ch 3-3-1822.
Could there be a connection between Ann Ainley and the Mary Ainley who was housekeeper for Thomas Dransfield in the 1871? Also the Betty living with Thomas in 1871 was Mark's wife (I assume)
Where does that leave me now?? More confused than ever me thinks!
If anyone can iron out that lot I would love you forever.
Thanks soooooo much
Legs
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I doubt it - if she was a widow in 1871 !
She was still Dransfield though - so would have reg. him in her name....
I think you prob. need to get your gggrandfather's birth cert. to double check her maiden name....or if you can't find his - one of his siblings !
Just to confuse you further......yeeeeeeeeeeek :D
If it does turn out that your George's grandparents are -
George and Mary DRANSFIELD from Ash Houses in 1851
then you will find their marriage on the LDSfreesearch website
George Dransfield and Mary BEAUMONT married 19th September 1814 at Almondbury
son Walter (who I THINK will turn out to be your GGhowevermany grandpa) was christened 15th October 1832 (CO17126)
The Batch Nos CO17122/3/4/5/6 will give you the Almondbury christenings from about 1609.......... ;D ;D ;D
Change to MO17126/7 and lots and lots of happy couples ???
See you in about a month ???
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ARRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
I have no more to say right now, i'm having a mental breakdown.
Legs
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Kathy,
I can't find the record on FreeBMD for George's birth (ARGH)
What do I do now?? I'm a student so I can't really afford to buy the certificate anyway (although if I could find it I would stay in all weekend and use my alcohol money to buy the cert instead- thats how desperate I'm getting!!)
Ho hum
Thanks millions
Legs.
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Right, here I go again trying to unravel the mystery of the Dransfields......
Kathy, I have searched everywhere for George's birth record but cannot find it anywhere.
I have also searched everywhere for a marriage between Walter Dransfield and Mary Ellen, but no luck there either.
Does that mean that Walter isn't my missing link or does it mean I've just been looking in the wrong places?? Or am I completley mad (I'm going with the latter at present!)
I did find a marriage between Mary Ellen Haigh and Robert Dransfield in 1870, although this is after the birth of at least 2 of Mary Ellen's children I guess it is still feasible...?
In which case Robert's parents are Joseph Dransfield (b c1776) and Ann Ainley (b c1780). They married on 31/12/1801. This could make Joseph and George (Walter's father) brothers according to their years of birth....couldn't it?
Sorry to bother you once again, if I can do anything to assist your research please don't hesitate to contact me!
Thank you sooooo much
Legs
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Do you think it is likely that she married Robert in 1870 and was a widow in 1871....that's bad luck ! Have you found Robert's death ? I couldn't find a Robert & Mary Ellen married in any of the census' though.....
You may find that it will be worth spending £7 to finally sort this out for definate...rather than just guessing........
There are a lot of George's......
But I think this is Hannah's birth - Dec q. 1867 9a 271 in Huddersfield
I searched the Almondbury christenings for girls christened Mary Ellen around 1836 - there were Mary Ellen Brook and Mary Ellen Kaye (both ch. 1835).....more to play with.
SOME GOOD NEWS THOUGH.....1861 census for Yorkshire is coming soon on 1837online !!! You could try a posting to ask for the 1861 look up.....
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Hi Kathy,
Thanks again, I denifitely have to order someone's birth certificate to find out about the correct parentage. Thank you for the info on Hannah's birth. I'm going to order her certificate now, otherwise this is going to drive me to insanity.
Hopefully this will shed some light on it all and I can then get on with peicing the correst facts together instead of being stingy with my student loan and trying to guess!
As soon as I recieve the certificate I'll put you out of the misery as well.......what were you saying about a wager...???
I also found Maey Ellen Kaye and Brook. I have a sneaking suspicion the Kaye is the one I'm looking for as VAT found an unmarried Aunt Edna Kaye living with the Dransfield's in the 1871 census. But I do also think the Brook's are involved somewhere because I have found a Thomas Dransfield who married Nancy Brook - they had 10 children.
Thank you for all your help although it did leave me slightly bewildered at times!
I'll keep you updated!
Legs
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Before you go..........I had a look on the national burial index....
Walter Dransfield was buried at All Hallows, Almondsbury on 11 July 1870
Robert Dransfield burial at Almondbury -
theres a couple of veru early ones
then
8th January 1874 aged 67
24th August 1892 aged 45
Just thought I'd give you a biit more paper to play with......... ::)
I'm off now for a long soak in hot bubbles with a glass of cold bubbles..... ;)
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Thank you,
As it happens I dragged my dad up to Almondbury for a weekend before Christmas and we trawled around the local churches and graveyards. I took lots of photo's of various gravestones so I will have a look through them in a minute.
I have ordered Hannah's birth certificate, it should be dispatched on March 11th - not sure I can wait that long. At least I might get some uni work done now!
Enjoy your bubbles - I've got a big bar of chocolate and a bottle of beer awaiting me.
Thank you so much again
Legs.
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Hi Alllegs
Sorry I was too late to post you this link...
sometimes the local records office s quicker.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,27739.0/topicseen.html
I've also been driven to order a sibling's birth cert to extablish the parents (but only after ordering the wrong one for her brother - where there's a lot to choose from its often easier to go for the more obvious choice - ie a sister's, as Kathy has so wisely suggested!
best wishes
Paul
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Hi Kathy,
In one of your posts you mentioned searching for christenings and marriages using their batch numbers - where can I do this?? Is there an online facility or do I have to go the the local GRO??
Unfortunatly I didn't realise how long it takes for certificates to come through from the National Archives - I'm sooooo impatient its driving me crazy already. Next time I'll definatly use the local records offices.
I'll keep you up to date on progress.
Thank a million
Legs
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Be patient ! It will be worth the wait !
How to use the batch Nos.
go to the website www.familysearch.org
click search - click international gen. ind.
e.g. enter - Walter Dransfield father George
born 1830 (+/- whatever)
British Isles / England / Yorkshire
click search.......up comes Walter Dransfield ch. 15 October 1832
Almondbury
scroll down to the bottom of the page -
Click onto Batch No. C017126 - you get another search page (with the batch No. inserted...just enter surname Dransfield and father George
click search - and you should get 5 siblings....click on theme and double check parents......gives George Dransfield & Mary Beaumont......
You will find that the batch Nos. for the baptisms at Almondbury will follow on.......
For marriages...change letter to M017126....hours of fun !!!!!!
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Kathy, you win!!!
You were right about the name of the mystery Mr Dransfield.... I received Hannah Dransfield's birth certificate this morning and the father was Walter Dransfield - you're soooooo clever! Also Mary Ellen's maiden name was Kaye, no now I have another name and marriage to locate. Now I can go in search for Walter's grave stone at All Hallows in Almondbury (woohoo) and I also believe Mary Ellen Kaye was christened in 1835 so thats some thing else to keep me out of trouble.
Thanks for all your help Kathy, you're a true genius!!
I'm so excited now!!
Thanks again
Love
Legs
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I am so glad !!!!!!! ;D
It is a great feeling isn't it ! And £7 well spent.....now you know for sure you are on the right path !
Here is the marriage for Walter Dransfield & Mary Ellen Kaye -
Huddersfield March q. 1861 9a 295
I will have a look on the 1851 census for Mary Ellen Kaye and let you know what I find !
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Dear Kathy , I am doing research on the mellor family as well. they came from broadbottom,mottram and later lived around Hyde and manchester area. There were other Mellors in the hyde area that were not related to the mellors I,m looking for. Maybe some of those were your people. The Mellors I know of were married to Pinder,Hey,Chadwick,Arstall,Borrett. I haven,t come across a Dransfield. Mae
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Firstly - I have checked the 1851 census and can't find Mary Ellen Kaye in the same part of Almondbury as trhe Mellors and Dransfields...although there are lots of Kaye families....
The Mellor family I have been working on are from Earlsheaton.Dewsbury/ Ossett area.
Although there is a marriage between Samuel Mellor and Catherine HEY in 1876....in Dewsbury Parish Church.....
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Thank you once again Kathy,
I did try lookin gon IGI for Mary Ellen and Walter's marriage but couldn't find it.
I think I've found Mary Ellen's christening - IGI only has 1 May Ellen, christened about 14th June 1835 in Almondbury. Unfortunatly there is no father but the mother is called Sarah Kaye. Why do none of my ancestors have fathers???!!!! This is the 2nd one with a missing father in as many days!
Thank you again Kathy :-*
Love
Legs
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Hi Alllegs
The IGI has got a marriage of Sarah Kaye to Joseph Swift, Almondbury 14 February :-* 1830, if that's any good.
cheers
Paul
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Thanks Paul,
I've just been IGI-ing too. I assumed Kaye was Sarah's married name so have searched for every Kaye in Almondbury who married a Sarah.......here's what I found:
Jonahthan Kaye married Sarah Moorehouse on 5/5/1828
John Kaye married Sarah Beaumont on 24/7/1831
John Kaye married Sarah Pogson on 5/3/1832
Joseph Kaye married Sarah Ann Bingley on 24/1/1830
Joseph Kaye married Sarah Hinchliffe on 25/1/1833
William Kaye married Sarah Hirst on 21/6/1829
William Kaye married Sarah Swift on 13/9/1829.
I only searched from 1829-1835 (I think!)
Not quite sure why I did that though as it gets me no further but what the hell.....!
Maybe Sarah wasn't married hence the lack of father (and her birth name was Kaye??!) or maybe her husband just died (not quiet as exciting!)
Thanks again
Legs
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I wonder if the William Kaye and Sarah Swift were brothers and sisters of Sarah Kaye and Joseph Swift? :)
Paul
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yes, I wondered that too.......I'll leave you to work on that one Paul!!! ;)
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This is exciting !!!
This morning at the WYAS - I discovered that they have the fiche for Almondbury Parish records.....
So (YES! I know I'm wonderful!) I did a quick look up for you - here is Mary Ellen's baptism entry :
June 14th 1835 (no date of birth given)
Mary Ellen dau of Sarah Kaye spinster of Doroyd
Also came across :
March 30th 1835
Sidney son of William & Sarah DRANSFIELD Labourer New Laith Hill
So then I thought I'd have a look through the mariages to se if Sarah Kaye married shortly afterwards......with little success
1)
Dec 17th 1838
Frederick WOOD 22 bachelor Farmer of Almondbury F: Joseph Wood Farmer
Sarah Ann KAYE 20 spinster of Farnley Tyas - bank F: (blank)
witnesses - Samuel North & Joshua Noble
THIS ONE _ I DON'T THINK IS HER.....SHE SIGNS SARAH ANN...
2)
August 11th 1839
Jabez HEATON 21 bachelor clothier Linthwaite F: Robert Heaton Clothier
Sarah KAYE 19 spinster Linthwaite F: Jeremiah KAYE shoemaker
both signed X
witnesses : Joshua Noble & Thomas Heaton
[This would make her 15 when she had the baby ! But maybe they had to wait until Jabez was 21 before they were allowed to marry ]?? It may be something else to look out for on the census....
Another marriage which you might find interesting :
July 19th 1838
William IREDALE 37 batchelor Clothier Linthwaite F: Thomas Iredale Clothier
Sophia DRANSFIELD 34 spinster Linthwaite F: George DRANSFIELD
Blanket Manufacturer
Sophia signed X
witnesses - Isaac Exley & Thomas Heaton
If there is anything else you would like looking up - preferably with the date !! - let me know - I am gpoing again in about 2 weeks time.
Kathy
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Yep you said it Kathy, you are wonderful!
So Sarah Kaye wasn't married when she had Mary Ellen, how interesting. That the 1st bit of proper scandal I've come across so far - I like scandal!!
I guess Kaye was Sarah's maiden name then.
At least I can try looking for Sarah's parents now, and know she was from Doroyd (wherever that is??!! Sounds like an alien planet!!!). I've just looked in my map and can't find Doroyd anywhere. The Sarah who later married Jabez was born in Slaithwaite and her mother was Ann.
I also noticed that both marriages had Joshua Noble as witnesses - what a coincidence??!
I'm not quiet sure what to do next in regard to locating Mary Ellen's father. I've sort of put this line on the back burner for a little while whilst I track down my great gran who got married in 1923, but hasn't been born or died yet!!! Interesting!
I've just looked up both those marriages on IGI and found that the Frederick Wood and Sarak Kaye one had a child in 1839 called Mary Ellen Wood, either they changed her year of birth and surname or its the completely wrong family??!! What do you think??!
Thank you again Kathy, I owe you big time! I'll let you know if I have any brain waves (not very likely though!) about what I plan to do next.
Catch you later
Legs
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Doroyd - bit of a mystery and not showing at all on Google.
Possibly a local prnounciation (a bit like 'Slowt' for Slaithwaite!)
Perhaps you should post a query on the general Yorkshire board?
cheers
Paul
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I'm still none the wiser with Doroyd, but I've just spoken to my dad who was born in Huddersfield and he says there is a place called Dobroyd over Halifax way, perhaps its a mis-transcribtion or something. I have just looked on the map for Dobroyd but can't find it either - Will google and get back to you. Ok I have googled and found Dobroyd Castle in Calderdale, so thats Halifax way, Dobroyd Mills and Dobroyd Wearhouse both in the Huddersfield area, but I've not actually come across a place called Doroyd, Doboyd or Dobroyd.......Woohoo, have just found the place - not sure exactly where it is but it does exist - I've just read all about Health and Safety in DOBROYD, West Yorkshire!!
Thanks again
love
Legs
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Some mention of Dobroyd here...
http://www.genuki.org.uk/big/eng/YKS/WRY/Keighley/Keighley37.html
I love those West Yorkshire town names! :)
best wishes
Paul
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It was certainly written as Doroyd.....that was on a fiche of the original parish record - not a transcription...just my transcription....but it is possible it was a spelling mistake by the parish clerk......I didn't come across it on any of the other baptisms....so it may not have been local..... matbe Sarah was working in service at Dobroyd.....she may have come to Almondbury area to have the baby.....
There are lots of entries for Kaye family members.....it seems to be quite a common name in the district !
There was another entry (I made a note of) on April 19th 1835 for the baptism of George Hirst...son of William & Sarah Kaye Clothier of Miln Brigg, Birstall
This was out of the parish too........
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I think there may have been more than one Dobroyd......
I have found Dobroyd Mills at Jackson Bridge, near Hepworth or Holmfirth, whichever web site you look at.....
Then Dobroyd Farm - Marsh Lane, Shepley.....
Dob was something to do with fancy weaving......
They are closer than Todmorden......
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Hi Alllegs,
1841 census living on Dawroyd - it is actully two seperate words and is a street rather than an area and is in Almondbury and still exists to this very day
Here is Sarah Kaye (spinster) with her daughter Mary aged 6. also presetn as you can see are Sarah's parents and other family members, including Edna.
Address Dawroyd Head - Name Sarah Kaye Age 25 Occupation - Piece Number 1273/5 Folio Number 13 Schedule Number 101 Township Almondbury Enumeration District 14
2. Address Dawroyd Head - Name Mary Kaye Age 6 Occupation - Piece Number 1273/5 Folio Number 13 Schedule Number 101 Township Almondbury Enumeration District 14
3. Address Dawroyd Head - Name Harriet Kaye Age 20 Occupation - Piece Number 1273/5 Folio Number 13 Schedule Number 101 Township Almondbury Enumeration District 14
4. Address School Hill Head Y Name William Kaye Age 60 Occupation Clothier Piece Number 1273/5 Folio Number 13 Schedule Number 101 Township Almondbury Enumeration District 14
5. Address Dawroyd Head - Name Mary Kaye Age 20 Occupation - Piece Number 1273/5 Folio Number 13 Schedule Number 101 Township Almondbury Enumeration District 14
6. Address Dawroyd Head - Name Edna Kaye Age 25 Occupation - Piece Number 1273/5 Folio Number 13 Schedule Number 101 Township Almondbury Enumeration District 14
7. Address Dawroyd Head - Name Charlotte Kaye Age 60 Occupation - Piece Number 1273/5 Folio Number 13 Schedule Number 101 Township Almondbury Enumeration District 14
One thing that isn't clear is why William aged 60 is down as bieng at a different address but clearly shows he is head of household.
And here they are still with Sarah's parents in the 1851 census at the same address. But Mary E has the second name as Ellen and on both census she is down as daughter to William and Charlotte - I guess that was to save on public opinion and disgrace to Sarah.
Address Daw Royd Name Sarah Kaye Relationship to Head Dau Marital Status U Age 39 Occupation House Keeper Birthplace Almondbury Township Almondbury Parish Almondbury Piece 2294 Folio 71 Schedule 170 Enum. Dist. 1C
Address Daw Royd Name Mary Elizabeth Kaye Relationship to Head Dau Marital Status U Age 15 Occupation Fancy Weaver Birthplace Almondbury Township Almondbury Parish Almondbury Piece 2294 Folio 71 Schedule 170 Enum. Dist. 1C
Address Daw Royd Name Edna Kaye Relationship to Head Dau Marital Status U Age 36 Occupation Fancy Weaver Birthplace Almondbury Township Almondbury Parish Almondbury Piece 2294 Folio 71 Schedule 170 Enum. Dist. 1C
Address Daw Royd Name William Kaye Relationship to Head Head Marital Status M Age 71 Occupation Fncy Wolm Manufact Birthplace Almondbury Township Almondbury Parish Almondbury Piece 2294 Folio 71 Schedule 170 Enum. Dist. 1C
Address Daw Royd Name Charlotte Kaye Relationship to Head Wife Marital Status M Age 74 Occupation - Birthplace Almondbury Township Almondbury Parish Almondbury Piece 2294 Folio 71 Schedule 170 Enum. Dist. 1C
Wendy
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Hi Alllegs
And here is a possible marriage for Wm kaye and Charlotte? be prepared this is getting confusing.
You say Mary E Kaye possibly married Walter Dransfield, going on the birth cert that you have?
Well look what Charlotte's maiden name was, or at least the name she married William as
I did do a children search for childrne born to these two and came p with, Mary, Edna and Harriot no Sarah.
I stop rabbing now
Husband
William Kaye Pedigree
Birth: About 1783 Of, Almondbury, Yorkshire, England
Christening:
Marriage: 28 NOV 1808 Almondbury, Yorkshire, England
Death:
Burial:
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Wife
Charlotte Dransfield Pedigree
Birth: About 1787 Of, Almondbury, Yorkshire, England
Christening:
Marriage: 28 NOV 1808 Almondbury, Yorkshire, England
Death:
Burial:
Wendy
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Winston - I am so glad you found Dawroyd.....I thought I was going mad!
Isn't this site amazing !!!!!
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Ooh ooh ooh! Can't wait to see Alllegs' reaction when she comes online! You will probably get onto her Christmas card list for this one, Wendy! :)
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Hi everyone,
Alllegs was just as exicted yesterday when we were abel to confirm the mother of another past family member on the Bradley messages that has now turned into somewhat of a soap opera.
Wendy
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The Kaye family have been around Almondbury for a long long time !!
Here is something I found -
re: Sacred curative well at Almondbury "St Helens Well"
From an old Manuscript dated 1547 " Arthur Kayes ancestors buylded a chappell of Old Tyme, in the lane above the Butts at St Elyns Well."
www.themodernantiquarian.com
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OH MY GOD!!!!!
I can't believe my family are actually doing this to me..................I haven't got a clue about what is happening and who belongs to who.....................!
Mary Ellen definately married Walter Dransfield, I have a birth certificate of their daugher Hannah to confirm this.
I knew there had to be some in-breeding somewhere - that'll explain why I'm me!!!
I have so many names and dates flying around in my head that I'm not sure if I'm coming or going, feel free to iron all this out on my behalf before I fall over and loose the lot!
Thank you all sooooooooo much, I think I owe medals not Christmas cards!!
Love
Legs
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ok, are we all sitting down?? ;) Drama N.o 2!!
I think Charlotte Kaye (nee Dransfield) may have been Walter Dransfield's aunt (he who married Mary Ellen Kaye). Therefore Walter and Mary Ellen are cousins.
The only birth I can find for a Charlotte is 4/6/1781, her father was Thomas Dransfield (no mother stated) I believe she may haev had a brother called George Dransfield (b 1790) who is Walter's father. His parents Thomas Dransfield and Nancy Brook/Brock. I cannot find a marriage for Thomas and Nancy for definate evidence that proves the link, but I can't see anything to disprove it either??
Am I getting carried away and jumping to consequences or what..........?
Lets see which of my soaps gets the highest ratings shall we??
Any suggestions welcome as always!!
Love
Legs
xxxx
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There is also a DOBROYD at Almondbury further up the hill from Daw royds
Joe
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Thank you Joe,
I can't wait until summer when I can whizz up to Huddersfield and check out all these places.......
Tour guide interviews taking place soon......!!
I'm not sure what to do next however, I'm awaiting a big piece of wallpaper on a equally large section of MDF, I think I need to work out who belongs to who before I do any more research!
Thank you all
Love
Legs
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Look forward to the second series ... same time, same channel? :)
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Hello Legs,
I just came across this old posting of your from 2005 about George Dransfield (1864 of Almondbury).
I'm researching for a friend of mine who is one of George's descendants, and I'm curious to know whether you got any further with this?
Best regards,
Jacs
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Hi Jacs
Thanks for your message.
It's been so long since I've done any family tree research that I have no idea!
Work, family, emigrating, returning to the UK etc all got in the way.
I must be related to your friend then. How exciting :-)
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Evening!
Well, on that I'm not sure at the moment, but if you are, which given Almondbury is small, is likely, it will be as remoter cousins.
I was wondering where you found that George was born in 1864?
I'm afraid as I've been having a wander through my friends family, I realised that somewhere there has been an error, I'm hoping that since this thread started in 2005 you may have noticed...
It wasn't until I got a couple of pages in to the trail of messages that I spotted that your grandma was an Edna. You see, I don't have an Edna on George's tree, nor did I have him married to an Amelia, so I double checked everything.
There is a George Dransfield on the 1891 and 1901 census, on the 1891 he's married to a Mary and has Mary E, George, and Minnie as children, but in 1911 his wife is names as Amelia, Mary E has gone, but George, Minnie, and now Edna are with him.
I believe he married Mary Amelia Gledhill in September 1874
Only he was born in 1854, not 1864.
The George who was born in 1864, married Elizabeth Morley, and they had 7 children, including my friends father Henry. On the 1911 census George Dransfield (1864) is definitely in the same household as Henry.
The George from 1864 was, as you eventually realised Walter's son, but George of 1854 was the son of Thomas and Mary.
I've just tried to attach a copy of the 1861 census showing him with his family, but it won't let me load it up.
As I say, I'm hoping you realised. I have access to quite a lot of parish records and things, if you'd like copies of anything just let me know.
Regards, Jacqui
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Hi Jacqui,
Yes, Mary and Amelia are the same person. She flits from one to the other frequently. Yes, she is Mary Amelia Gledhill.
To be honest I can't remember much of the top of head and all my research is packed away at the moment.
My baby, toddler and certificates don't mix well!
L xxx