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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Staffordshire => Topic started by: truebritmega on Monday 01 June 09 00:04 BST (UK)
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Hi there, firstly.. does anyone know of any detailed maps of bradmore in around the 1880's? I have a great great great uncle living at number 3 church road, he was a gun lock maker, next to what is now the Gunmakers pub!... but from what I see, little of the now church road existed then... but church road did have a number of houses...the gunmakers was actually in trysul road on the corner of church road but one map shows it as being a lil further down and on the opposite side of trysul road? which leads to question 2... does anyone know where the first... bradmore gunmakers pub actually was? I have a 1913 pic of it a lil more off the corner of church road, but as I say it seems it moved around a lil lol Also havelock place, the street behind the gunmakers is actually in a different spot as well!...
any ideas anyone? lol
I wonder if anyone has any photos of that end of church road and or gladstone terrace in the 1880's or thereabouts?
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Hi again,
I expect you've seen the maps on the following site, but just in case:
http://www.old-maps.co.uk/index.htm
There are ones from 1880 to 1903 - not terribly detailed; but they do show the pub's location.
Can't find anything else online, I'm afraid - I expect the best on in the Wolverhampton archives. They may also have a phot of the old pub.
Hope the research is going well.
Take care,
Paulene :)
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Thank you willow (lovely to see you again!, steals a cuddle hehe) I had looked at old maps site but im clicking on your link for a second look lol...
Id love to find more out about the church road area, but... its not easy, yes I'll have a look again in the archives next time im up there... My research has slowed a lot lately, lots of possibles but.... lol and My Ireland lot are proving to be lil buggers to find LOL
Thanks again willow:)
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Wonders if anyone on here has any old pics of church road too? Id love to see them if they do
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I have just joined this site and am interested in anything to do with Wolverhampton.
I was born in Uplands Ave, Bradmore in 1936 and although the Gunmakers arms was in its present place in those days it was originally on the opposite side of Trysull Rd where the existing car park is now situated.
The Bradmore hotel was also on the opposite side to where it is now and was where the Bradmore shops are presently situated.
If I can help you any more just ask. I can dig out an old 1901 map and do a couple of scans for you.
Regards, Bob.
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Well firstly, welcome to rootschat Bob!, its a wonderful site im sure you'll find it as helpful as i do!...
And thank you for the info!, I too was born in Bradmore, and still live here lol, tho for me it was only 1971.. My mom too, was norn in Bradmore, in 1933
I knew that the gunmakers was previously,the last of the terrace houses that are still there to the side of the pub, (in the trysul road side) and I have a pic of it being there in 1913 (with the pub as it is now, being re-built in the 20's)
But I never knew about it having been on the opposite side of the road, but had always wondered why they had that small car park over the road while they also had that big car park to the rear of the pub (and they have now built two houses on half of the big rear car park!) and im now even more curious at to which, where, number 3 would actually have been... is the current number 3 church road the original? if so, what hapenne to number 1 and 2 LOL, Yes I did know of the Bradmore switching sides, but what you have told me of the gunmakers now ... I hadnt heard before!
I was telling my mom of it this morn, and she also told me that besides that lil car park, where wenlock ave now sits, used to be...(when she was around 15) a wide dirt track/path with bushes to its side, that led into a great big field, there was a shed in the field too apparently, and walking up the path, (as if walking up wenlock) she thinks to the right there were also gardens with a big house, possibly a timber one... Im wondering if this was an original farm that was there? or a remainder of it...
I have an 1880s map that shows that wenlock patch, as being called Havelock Place (today I guess that is remembered by the road opposite, Maple road leading into Havelock Place)
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And on the 1880s map, the gunmakers does appear... to be on the opposite side of the map, in the lil car park area...
And also, this field called havelock place... to its right, are what appears to be gardens, then a small rear lane before it meets the houses and gardens of the adjoining broad lane, it also has there a name "The Fernerry", maybe that was the house mom vaguely rememebrs?... anyone know what a fernerry is? was?
OOPS SORRY, THE MAP IS 1890, NOT 1880
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but also... on the corner of church road, where the current pub is... the shapes of the buildings on the corner on the map, are the same shape as the pub that was there in 1913 (I would post the pic of the pub here but im not sure if im allowed to do that?)
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oh and as to the offers of the scans, yes please!
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Many thanks for the reply.
Here is the map that I have, it's very similar to yours but a little more detailed.
I well remember the lane your mother talks about,it used to be a short-cut to Uplands Avenue. When you went through the gate at the top into the field you were in another world. On the same level were the air-raid shelters and to your left, but at a lower level was a playing field. This used to belong to Bingley St school and there was an old cricket pavilion. The boundary to the left adjoined the rear gardens to Uplands Drive and the boundary to the front adjoined the rear gardens in Uplands Avenue. There used to be a stream running along this boundary. We were friends with the Jones's who lived at 23 Uplands Avenue and they used to let us cross a little bridge into their back garden. I used to live at No. 20 across the road.
I used to go to Warstones Rd school and to get to school I could walk down Uplands Ave, cut across where the old farm used to be, walk along the stream and come out into Trysull Rd by Desboroughs stores. (there is still a shop there). I would then walk up to-wards where the Imperial dairy used to be and then cut left up a little lane which came out not far from the island at the top of Oxbarn Ave, then down to the school which had only just opened, 1941.
Happy days.
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Thank you so much for that map... yes it is a lot more detailed, wondering about number 3 church road is still bugging me a lil tho lol as Im trying to find out more about My greatx3 uncle who lived there at one point, and also at gladstone terrace, he was one of the big "Brazier"gun lock makers of the area... (Charles Brazier)
My mom and a great deal of her family lived in victoria road (the Griffiths and Monghans)
Do you happen to know anything more of the school in church road? it was actually known as st phillips day school, but My mom remembers playing in it as a kid when it was known as "the old army"... but I ahvent been able to find more about that
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I always wondered about the Dead Lads Grave
I've got a copy of an older map of Wolverhampton somewhere but I'm b******d if I can find it
(Hiya cuz)
Willow x
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LOL hi again willow, nice t see you again, and i bet the word you were gonna say was.. blasted?;)
Ive seen a few suggestions of what dead lads grave could be, one was that it was a private grave of someone, but really I aint got a clue...
Is the map you have older than 1890's ? if so, and if you can find it... hint hint;)
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Lol I'll have another look when I get home but I havent seen it for about 5 years
Willow x
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No joy with the map I'm afraid although I have found one of the town centre with no date on it although it does have 'the site of the intended free church' (St Georges) on it so I'm guessing its before the others
I did find though
map of Northumberland dated 1610
some more books of old photos of Wolverhampton (no joy with the Gunmakers though) which includes one of a house in Victoria Road whos top floor was a railway carriage
the tarot book my x husband swore I had and I swore I hadn't
3 spell books I didnt know I had got
my stitch ripper
the cats ping pong ball which he is currently bouncing off the skirting board! ;D
If you want any links for Wolverhampton stuff Bob let me know
Willow x
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Thanks for that Willow.
As regards the Dead lads grave, I don't think you will find an answer to that as it has been a bit of a legend for many, many years and no-one to my knowledge has been able to find out the origin of it.
Here is a pic that might interest you both. It is one I took many, many years ago (I can't remember when but the cars might give it away) of Star Street, Bradmore prior to it all being altered.
Regards, Bob.
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hmm I think ive seen that pic somewhere before, have you had it put in a book Bob? it looks familliar... I guess you didnt know anything about the school in church road being called "the old army" ?
Some pics Id be interested in... is the opposite side of hmmm how do I say, the opposite side of Trysul road, opposite the haulage yard (just before the shops with the chip shop etc) the houses between the gunmakers and the bradmore..
I only vaguely remember them now... very vaguely, I remember the old post office there and Franks vegetable shop (I think it was called franks.. the fella who owned it was called frank anyhow lol... he later went on to own the fireplace yard in brickkiln st)
And yes Willow.. I know the old carriage, well I know of.. it, mom knew it well, very well and knew the girl who lived there, My mom was born in victoria road, and her nan and aunts and cousins all lived in that street, as well as My great x 3 Uncle, at Gladstone House( its name is on one of the houses there, I took a pic of it, i'll look for the pic in a min and post it up if I find it lol (i love my camera phone!!LOL)
Oh and about last xmas-ish, the express and star ran a thing in it about the carriage house, I think it was a carl chin piece
And willow? anythign about the braziers in thaose books? theyw ere Gunmakers in Bradmore Cheers cuz (and Id still like that map you found if i might? lol
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Here Gladstone Terrace
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In the second pic, vic road, 1 is roughly where gladstone terrace is,
2, is roughly where the carriage house is (it was actually up in that side street there , hmm i forgot that side streets name? Lutley Close?)
3 is where My grandad was lived in the 1901 census, his mom, was the niece of charles brazier, the fella from gladstone terrace (and he also lived at 3 church road)
4 is where My mom was born
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I'll see what I have got in my collection.
The picture of Star St has appeared before. I put it on Flickr amongst other things so it has probably been posted by a few people as I don't mind who uses my pics.
I wouldn't mind a picture of Judsons the bike shop if anyone has one.
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ahh i do think it was flicker... and Judsons? here it comes... although my mom also remembers it as hills (tho i guess that was an owner of it at some point) she and her cousin used to take there bikes there to get its tyres pumped up (and sadly, that cousin of her died this past saturday from cancer :( ) ) hmm am i allowed to post it tho? its not "my" pic, its a pic out of a newspaper?
If not, pm me and i'll email it
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I never answered your question about the school. I do remember it but only like your mother, we used to play there.
I don't suppose there are any pictures of it about now although in its time surely someone must have one somewhere!
I should imagine it was built around about the time the Bradmore school was built.
My brother went to Bradmore school but was moved to Warstones Rd when that opened on 14th Oct1940. I followed in 1941. It was quite strange to start with as the scool was only part built. The first headmistress was a Daisy Elwell and John J Deans took over on the 2nd Dec 1940. Mr Deans was there for many years.
As regards Judsons, I seem to remember it as a large wooden shed. People used to take their accumalators there to be charged at a penny a time to keep their old radio's going.
I am attaching a picture that have taken from a book. You can't see Judsons as the bus is in the way but it does show the old Star off- licence on the corner of Star St where many thousands of pints of beer were served to children in jugs for their fathers.
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Here is a picture of an old Tilling Stevens and crew outside the old Bradmore Inn which was on the other side of the road before the shops were built.
In my days I remember the shops, starting from the Broad Lane end as Hoopers the ironmongers, a cake shop, Vaughans the grocers, the Talbot twins greengrocers, Lyons the butchers, Wrights the chemists and where the savings bank is this was empty. I think that was the lot.
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Oooh good pics Bob!, Mom remembers that wines shop, before my time tho (I think?) (i was born 1971)
heres the pic of Judsons...
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Oh and as to the school in church road, I did get a pic of it recently... St Philips had a lil history thing for there 150th anniversary and they kindly sent me a copy of the photo! Ive put it on here in another psot, heres the link
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,368873.15.html
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Thanks for those they brought back some great memories.
You mentioned before the greengrocers by the Bradmore Post office.
When I was little the owner used to have a van and used to deliver in Uplands Avenue. I'm not positive but I am sure his name was Jones. I am talking about the 1940's.
The little old lady who ran the Bradmore PO had a son who used to help her. He was very tall and had to stoop to look through the hatch.
There was also another chemists by the PO as well as Wrights over the Road. If I remember correctly Mr Wright, a scotsman, committed suicide. Would your mother remember that and if so what year?
Regards, Bob.
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Yes mom does remember Wrights, but she cant remember the year, (maybe when she was in her 20's, around 1950 )
And as to me saying mom remembered the man at Judsons being hills, sorry that was me miss-hearing her.. Judsons, was just Judsons... but, the houses, the terraces, alongside the gunmakers, there was another bike shop in one of the terraces... that, was Hills where she used to have her bike tyres pumped up for a penny, sorry to have mis said that earlier...
as to the tall fella at the post office, yes mom remembers him and she thinks he used to be a policeman
She also said she thinks that Talbots and Vaughns were in the same shop, one side selling butter etc... the other selling veg etc..
I remember Taylors well myself, and the butchers besides it, but when I was young it was another name...
Mom also said that just up from Judsons there used to be a fish shop (not where it is now, but just a few doors away from Judsons)
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btw, you mentioned accumulators earlier?... what where they? some kind of batterry?
And as for me... ive been trying to find a pic of bradmore recreation grounds concrete castle, but alas w no luck, that was an old memory for me that I would dearly love a pic of as I spent the majority of my time there as a kid.. surely there must be photos of that!? it was there till hmm mid 80's at least
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I will have to jog your mothers memory here as regards to the shops at Bradmore.
Vaughans the grocers had a double front to it with an entrance either end as did Talbots.
Vaughans, the last time I was in Wolverhampton was a window fitting firm. As to Talbots I don't know who is there now.
I can still see Mr Vaughan clearly in my mind in his white smock. He used to have a moustache. He had a really good looking wife and two daughters. I think the eldest one was Pat and the youngest, who went to America was Angela.
The Talbots as I said before were identical twins and used to have brown smocks. Mrs Talbot used to work in the shop as well. There were two lads Bob being one of them. He lived in one of the newer houses at the top of Uplands Ave.
I remember the bike shop by the Gunmakers. If I remember correctly it was slightly below the footpath level.
She is correct with the fish shop though. I had forgotten about that until you reminded me.
Bantocks, during the war used to have big wooden posts stuck in the ground to prevent the Germans landing and after the war there used to be a yearly cattle type show in the lower part of the field. The Highlands Rd end.
Up towards Bantock house there used to be some pigsty's where a Leslie Foster used to keep quite a few.
I can't picture your castle though. I remember the playground being built in about 1949/50 well before the golf course was built.
Can your mother confirm the name of a shop for me please?
The ones by the Gunmakers. There was an ironmongers called Gamsons, then a type of sweetshop called something like Roseberrys? and then an electrical type shop.
I think your mother is a couple of years older than me but I am sure she would have visited the Penn cinema at some time. Any stories about that? What school did she attend? Does she remember the Grace's who lived in the terraces by the Gunmakers?
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I'll ask her the questions, but I can tell you that yes, she went to the penn cinema very very often, i know her dad used to take her there too as well as going w her cousin (who sadly died last week) but the castle I waqs on about, wasnt bantock, it was the bradmore recreation ground (the rec) in church road, my second childhood home LOL
Talbots i remember well, but in latter years obviously when it was a florists
you forgot tho to tell me what accumulators are? lol are they a batterry type of thing?
For me personally.. i adore local history, especially of bradmore for I only know parts... of its past, but its eerie how my fascination for it all then turned out to be a family tie! (especially my great great great uncle being a Gunlock maker in bradmore lol )
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And i forgot to add, the grocers by the old post office.. yes it was Jones, I had forgotten his surname till you said it tho, I always knew him as Frank... but Im guessing it was the son... that I knew, (with me being younger) he was a friend of my dads, and Frank Jones later had the fireplace yard in great brickiln street... and Im not sure, but he either lived in... trysul road, down at the bend between the cobblers and woodland road, he either lived in a house there or owned it and rented it out... i wonder what ever happenned to him..... lol
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I remember the concrete castle well as we used to play on it when we went to see my auntie Gladys who lived in Victoria Road - had forgotten all about that till you mentioned it
Willow x
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aww you do? wonderful wasnt it? Ive never seen another like it... but grrrr why cant i find a single pic of it!!!LOL
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Having just viewed this thread and noticed the reference to accumulators, my paternal grandfather used to re-charge some kind of battery for people to use with their radio. I think they paid him for this service, which I remember from about 1947. Perhaps we should start a new thread to answer this query?
giraffe
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well its a word, term ive never heard of, was it some kind of battery charger then?
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Here is a sight which will explain things for the youngsters.
http://bygonederbyshire.co.uk/articles/Wireless_transmissions_-_the_early_years
Bob.
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Sorry, I meant SITE.
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ahh ty, so it was the "battery" itself... ty
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Thanks for that link Bob, it's cleared up a childhood mystery as to what my grandfather did in his spare time. He worked as a turbine driver at the Wolverhampton Power station, so I suppose he had some technical knowledge, and helped out both people who still didn't have electricity, and the family budget at the same time!
I suppose you wouldn't have any knowledge of a site describing phonographs would you? I inherited mine from this grandfather.
giraffe
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Further to my picture of Star Street here is a more modern picture of the same place.
Is that the same place I hear you asking yourselves? Believe it or not, YES it is.
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Here also is a picture of the Gunmakers Arms, also mentioned in this thread which I took a few years ago.
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Also Gamsons shop that was.
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I wish there was a pic of that old field by wenlock avenue my mom mentioned , somewhere, surely someone must have took at least one pic of it? lol
thank you for the pics, I still know the place well, I still live in Bradmore
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It's gone a bit quiet on the Bradmore thread so I will post a picture that I have just come across and never seen before.
The caption says Trysull Rd Bradmore and I would like to hear a few remarks about it , such as where was it taken from?
I reckon it was taken from the other side of the road from a bit lower down than Judson's cycle shop looking towards the Gunmakers Arms, which in those days was on the same side of the road as Judson's.
The tree in the distance would have been at the bottom of Oxbarn Avenue well before the shops were built.
Cheers, Bob.
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Oh wow!! thank you very very much for posting that pic, I have never seen that view before (but i am only 38 lol ) i'll ask my "font of all knowledge" on bradmore (mom lol ) but from looking at it the bottom building does look like the front of the gunmakers... as it appears on another pic of it (that I think ive posted here)
well done!! bradmore has always fascinated me (well i was born here lol ) and what i want to know too, is what sits behind that gunmakers when it was there... for we know that behind it is church road, well my great great great uncle lived at 3 church road, and was a gun lock maker Charles Brazier (he also lived at gladstone terrace, victoria road) so seeing "behind" the building would be fascinating, tho i doubt i'll ever get to see that lol... im imaginging, the current 3 church road wasnt the original one (my gun lock maker lived there around 1880 off the top o my head)
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oh and, do we know what year that pic was taken by any chance?
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The set of cottage next to the pub still look like the same ones there today or is this on the other side of the road?
Willow x
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The postcard was franked January 1914 although I should think the picture was a lot older than that.
Here are a couple that I took 28th July 2002 which are relevant. The one with the Gunmakers has been shown before.
Cheers, Bob.
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I was right about the cottages though ;D
Willow x
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yes willow, you are right about the set of cottages, I walked up there this morning (thru the snow and ice and and and all those torrential blizzards and things out there, see the things i do for ya? LOL ) (actually, I was just going to get some milk, and it was quite mild lol )
And the pic as Bob showed in his follow up piuc, was took somewhere between the old coal yard (Ive forgot now what that was called?) and the shops
And, I did consult the font as I said i would lol, and her first thing to say was that in the set of cottages was Hills bicycles, tho it wasnt a shop frontage, it was the house itself...
Thank you for telling me the year too Bob
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Your both welcome.
I think you will find that the coalyard was Hillmans. I went to school with one of them, Colin I think it was.
Regards, Bob.
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ahh ty yes Hillmans, i just couldnt think of it no matter how hard i tried
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hello
i just took time to read this posting and found it interesting as my great grandmother was from this area. even thought it was about 100years since she was there i can now connect an image to some of the stories she told before she died.
a quick question they live in victoria rd little penn staffordshire. (1901 census). is this the same street mentioned in this post or am i way off track?
cheers
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I doubt it, this Victoria Rd would be classed as Bradmore, Wolverhamton.
I can't say that I have heard of Little Penn before. Penn yes. Lower Penn yes but not Little Penn.
Perhaps one of the others could help you.
Bob.
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Thanks Bob
My Hannah was baptised in Bradmore.
the family lived in bradmore, wombourn and on the 1901 census Little Penn. (or maybe this was misread and should be lower Penn. i can't find my print out to check)
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A few more pictures of old Wolverhampton to set you off on a nostalgic trip.
Regards, Bob.
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does someone on this post know where Merridale Children Service was about 1905-1910?
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More photos
http://shireweb.net/wolverhamptonbak/pictureslist.php?RecPerPage=ALL
http://www.localhistory.scit.wlv.ac.uk/articles/DavidClare2/PhotoAlbum.htm
Willow x
(hope you remembered the choccy bickies cuz)
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Hello
I am so pleased that recently my partner and I will be moving to Bradmore (Wellington Avenue to be exact) - I was just wondering if anyone has any old photos - ive seen a few on the net but not many.
Also ive tried to track the history of the house and on the hips pack it states that the vendors in 1909 were the Wellings family and the purchaser a Margaret Kipling Cox. I have tracked the Wellings family by census but they were all based in Broad Lane. Did Wellington Avenue exist as Broad Lane? Im not sure anyway be great to hear off anyone!!! x
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does someone on this post know where Merridale Children Service was about 1905-1910?
I may be totally wrong, but I think the Boys' Grammar School, corner of Merridale (Street/Lane?) and Compton Road was originally an 'Orphanage'? If so, this may be a connection?
giraffe
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Hello
I am so pleased that recently my partner and I will be moving to Bradmore (Wellington Avenue to be exact) - I was just wondering if anyone has any old photos - ive seen a few on the net but not many.
Also ive tried to track the history of the house and on the hips pack it states that the vendors in 1909 were the Wellings family and the purchaser a Margaret Kipling Cox. I have tracked the Wellings family by census but they were all based in Broad Lane. Did Wellington Avenue exist as Broad Lane? Im not sure anyway be great to hear off anyone!!! x
really muffin? that is quite... unbelievable!.... here was i looking for bradmore info, started the thread... and you come along, not only to the thread... but also to my avenue LOLOL (well not mine, but i have been in it 38 years lolol )
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Well here is Wellington Avenue, you can both tell each other where you live now!
In the second picture the house to the left of the bungalow is where the Wellings family used to live. Perhaps they still live there?
Their firm built the house that I used to live in and others in Uplands Avenue.
Regards, Bob.
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as far as im aware, wellington ave simply was farmland before it was the avenue, perhaps, part of birches barn farm, or maybe part of the farmhouse in church road, as also in church road is a ... not sure exactly what, but a mill type building ( and church walk... church walk, was a track running between two fields from Birches Barn farm to church road
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I have only seen one, early pic of wellington ave which i will attach, I have a map, i think it was 1891, where wellington ave isnt there, so the houses must have been built between then and 1906
I had always wondered about the avenues origins, so thank you, for I hadnt heard of the wellings and would like to know more :) at least we now can see where wellington avenues name came from tho :)
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Truebitmega, hello you don't know me but I have visited RootsChat.com and am now a member and seen your posting of Wellington. Ave Bradmore, Wolverhampton, England and wanted to ask you a question or two. But I'll wait to see if you answer this posting first. thank you and hope to chat with you soon.
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Oh how exciting!! That must be a first meeting a neighbour on the net before actually moving in!!HA!
I thought that the Wellings may have had something to do with the name of the Avenue. All your info has been greatly appreciated.
:P
I thought that you may like to have a read of this small piece of historical info that was on our Hips pack
This register contains any charges and other matters that affect the land.
1 (15.02.2001) A Conveyance of the land in this title and other land dated
19 February 1909 made between (1) Thomas Wellings, Arthur John Wellings
and Edward Isaac Wellings (Vendors) and (2) Margaret Kipling Cox
(Purchaser) contains the following covenants:-
"COVENANT by the Purchaser that she would for ever thereafter maintain a
good and sufficient fence on the North East side of the land thereby
conveyed and would also observe the present building line AND also that
she would not carry on or permit to be carried on upon the said land or in
any messuage or buildings erected thereon any manufacturing trade or
business and would bear an equal share of the expense of maintaining the
party drain and water service between the points marked A and B on the
said plan".
I still cant find anything on Kipling-Cox ive tried searching for a census but to no avail. The only thing that I can find is that it has strong Austarlian ties.
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ooh ty Muffin and yup big coincidence w you moving here, and thank you for that lil info piece! i had no idea of the wellings etc... ty so much!
and yes American rose, feel free to pm me if you wish to ask me anything (you have me curious now LOL)
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Hello again Truebritmega,
Hope you are having a good week? And thank you for responding so quickly to my posting. So in some of your old postings you said you lived on Wellington.Ave, Bradmore, Wolverhampton WV3 7EP is that right?? And if so and this my be a strange question, but may I ask what your birthdate is please?? I promise I will explain why I'm asking. Take care and talk to you soon.
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Ive sent you a pm American Rose :)
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We have just set up Finchfield Community Association - and are interested in local history so loved your entries and conversations and would like to do something similar - so hope to hear from one of you keen folk - if I ever find my way back here again!
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Do you have a website Lizbrant if so can you post it here?
I have trawled around but cannot find anything.
Regards, Bob.
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I'll be interested in it too :)
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I am not good at using this - look me up on www.learninglinksinternational.com - we are just setting up the Finchfield Community Association Website
Spent today at local schools setting a challenge with local children to design a flag for Finchfield - we sent the children home with a pack - first page below and I did a short piece on local history etc
FINCHFIELD COMMUNITY ASSOCIATION
March 2010
Flying the Flag for Finchfield!
The newly created Finchfield Community Association is delighted that Philip Tibbetts, the Black Country flag designer, has agreed to help the children at Uplands and Bhylls Acre Schools to design a flag for Finchfield! Philip’s work came to the attention of the FCA Committee in a feature on his work in the Express and Star.
The challenge for a group of children from each school, is to use their own ideas to design a flag, which could be accepted as the “official” flag for Finchfield. Each school will display all the flags created and will select 5 to put forward for consideration by the FCA Committee and Philip himself. Philip will then create the flag with elements from one or more design.
Flags have specialist terms which the children have learned about. There are also 5 basic principles that guide flag design:
1 Keep it simple – presented in colour on A4 paper
2 The colours and shapes on a flag have to have meaning – related to the name Finchfield or local history
3 Use no more than 4 clear colours, no shading
4 Don’t use lettering or logos
5 Make the flag design distinctive
This guidance comes from “Good Flag, Bad Flag – How to design a Great Flag” see: http://www.nava.org/Flag%20Design/GFBF/GFBF_Final_Web.pdf
Most importantly we hope you enjoy learning about flags and having a go at designing a flag for Finchfield, then you can always design one for your family, or your street!
You can use crayons, felt pens, paper collage, computer graphics or any other medium to create your design – the simpler and bolder the better! Also we don’t mind if Mum or Dad or anyone else helps with this project.
Please bring your flag design into school by Monday 15th March.
Have fun and we look forward to seeing all your flags on display. We have included a brief history of Finchfield to help you, but your family may know a lot more about the history of Finchfield.
This wonderful guy who is designing flags for Black Country towns and villages came as well. He is brilliant - did you see the article about him in th e Exprtess and Star in January?
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does anyone know if its true that the origin of the name bradmore for Our bradmore was broad mere? if so could it be to do w the ancient lake stretching from somewhere down by high fields school up to around tettenhall? Mom said the ground thats now bradmore recreation park was a boggy area when she was a nipper
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Hi there i'm new to roots chat so please bear with me if i get things wrong.
Re article and map showing "The Fernery" in Broad Lane Bradmore. The Fernery was a house owned by the Hickman Family, my grandmother was in service there in 1901. The house no longer exists, but if anyone has a phote of it I would be grateful.
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To which picture do you refer to Kizzy?
Bob.
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Thank you Kizzy and welcome to rootschat i hope youll like it here, thank you for that lil bit of info on the fernery, do you know what they did there? and yes I too would be very interested in a photo of it if anyone can conjure one up
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Hi Uplands,
Truebritmega, posted an old map of bradmore area on 30 aug 09, which shows the position of a house called the Fernery. Researching my family history i found that my great grandmother was in service at the fernery in 1901. The Fernery I think was situated where the flats are opposite bantock park on broad lane, I think the flats are called bantock court. I would dearly love a photo of the house.
Kizzy
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Hi Kizzy
I presume this is the house you mean?
If it is I remember it well, in fact as a young lad from 1941-48 I went to school with a lad who lived there. I can't remember his second name but his first was Robin.
Bob.
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Hi truebritmega,
The house is in the right position. It looks bigger on your map. Its the best copy i've got as yet. Any ideas where I might get a photo?
You are obviously well up on local history. Do you have any info on Bellencroft Farm - it used to be in Bhylls Lane, where Bellencroft gardens are now.
Kizzy
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Thank you Kizzy and welcome to rootschat i hope youll like it here, thank you for that lil bit of info on the fernery, do you know what they did there? and yes I too would be very interested in a photo of it if anyone can conjure one up
Hi Truebrit, my gt grandmother was in service at Seighford Hall, Staffs, and looking at the Census for 1881 I found the head of the household was an 'Ironmaster', presumably the boss of a foundry in the area. Does this help to answer your question as underlined in the quote?
giraffe
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Hi Uplands,
Truebritmega, posted an old map of bradmore area on 30 aug 09, which shows the position of a house called the Fernery. Researching my family history i found that my great grandmother was in service at the fernery in 1901. The Fernery I think was situated where the flats are opposite bantock park on broad lane, I think the flats are called bantock court. I would dearly love a photo of the house.
Kizzy
Hi Kizzy, perhaps if you tell us the name of your gt grandmother we can look up the answer to Truebrit's question?
Giraffe
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Thank you for the info Kizzy, i wouldnt say im all that, up, on local history, but I do adore it, and Im always more and more curious lol... as to Bellencroft, ty... I hadnt heard of a farm there, but yes I do know Bellencroft gardens, if I remember rightly its around halfway down bhylls lane? (when i left school I started as a national trust trainee at wightwick manor so i used to ride down bhylls lane every morn on way to work lol ) but I'll look into it and see what I can find, if i can see anything I'll let you know...
And as to the "Fernery", what it was for...... The only thing I can see is the defitnition via google...
"Web definitions for Fernery
A fernery is a specialized garden for the cultivation and display of ferns"
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Bellencroft was the name of a large house which was knocked down and a bungalow built in its grounds. The house belonged to a Miss Laurie.I believe her family had something to do with mirros but I am not sure. After her death Bellencroft gardens were built. The farm was next door and was called Bhylls Farm as far as I know. In the 1950s it was occupied by some one called Theaker. It was demolished to build the council houses in Bhylls lane. It was approximately where the bungalows are now.
Regarding the two boys in the sewage works. there was a big search for them with local people police and fire. I was with a sub aqua club in attendance but did not get the boys out. From what I remember they were stck under a concrete overhang. Very sad time.
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A slightly different version of the above story taken from the 1914 Finchfield and Wightwick old Ordnance survey map.
The Bhylls was the home of a John Clarkson Major who became a manufacturing chemist. He was the mayor of Wolverhampton 1875-76 and after his time at the Bhylls the Lauries moved in and changed the name to Bellencroft ( Mrs Laurie was called 'Bee' and her stepdaughter Ellen, hence the name) Miss Laurie was in charge of the ARP post in the second world war and was a character well known for her determination. The imposing Victorian pile that was the Bhylls was demolished to make way for her bungalow and Bellencroft gardens.
Bob.
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good map :) I dont suppose that map has the church road area of bradmore on it?
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I have all that was printed of the Wolverhampton area but unfortunately the SW area finishes at the corner of Oxbarn. On page 1 of this thread I have posted that corner, missing a little bit of Victoria Rd.
I am always on the lookout for the latest issues so when one os printed I shall puchase it.
Bob.
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Thanks for all the info on Bellencroft/Bhylls Farm. Does anyone remember Bhylls Cottages and did they belong to the farm. I have family called Bayliss living in Bhylls Cottages in 1904, (although this is listed as compton in 1904) Would they be in the Byllls Lane area.
Kizzy
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sorry, cant answer that, but im sure someone will :) as to bayliss, there was Bayliss's in monmore green.. made railings and the like if i remember right... my gran may have worked there...
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Hi all -
I've just caught up with this topic, and reading your posts has brought back such a lot of childhood memories. My gran lived in Maple Road (just round the corner from the Gunmakers Arms) in a terrace of six late-Victorian houses that stood on the lefthand side. I think they were demolished in the early 1960s, but the old lamp standard is still there where a crowd of us kids used to play hopscotch and skipping in the years just after the War. It was originally a gas lamp, and when I was very small I would look out for the gaslighter coming round with his ladder to light the lamp of an evening.
Gran and I often used to visit the Gunmakers to fetch a jug of stout, or else we'd go up to the Bradmore Arms and sit on the wooden bench in the 'outdoor'. She did her shopping at a grocer's in Church Road called Brockhouse's (or Brocklebank's, I can't quite recall). Another shop now long gone was in one of the terraced houses round the corner in Trysull Road - it sold wool and all sorts as well as having a post office, and was run by two sisters and their brother.
I was born in Birches Barn Avenue, and when I was around 12 or so we lived in Minsterley Close, on the other side of Trysull Road from Maple Road. I've lived all over the place since then, but Bradmore has always meant more to me than anywhere else, so thank you to everyone who has brought back so many memories.
- judijee
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lovely to hear from you (and for re awakening the Bradmore thread)... I cant say too much personally (as I was only hatched in 1971 lol ), but yes to Brockhouses, mom regularly mentions Brockhouses.. i'll print your post off and find out more of that tomorrow...
As for me, im born and bred Bradmore (you can always tell when someones from bradmore, cos we call it Bradma instead LOL) but I have always been proud of being from here, and now I know my family goes back a good few generations here too... it just makes it that much more special
Back to the Byhlly lane subject... mom was telling me how they( her and her friends) used to go down there especially... to see the barrage baloons :)
Id like to find out more too, about the origin of "Bradmore" Im sure I heard somewhere that it came from Broad-mere...
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Hi Truebrit, Not quite Bradmore, but nearby.
We lived in The Avenue, off Bhylls Lane, 1939-1950. Your mention of barrage balloons - I can remember seeing them from our back bedroom window, also on one occasion search lights in the sky. I think they must have come from the Langley Road, but I was only little, so didn't understand quite what they were. I can also remember my Mum helpless with laughter one day. My sister and I were peering down the drain, and when she asked us what we were doing we told her we were looking for 'germans'!
giraffe
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Brockhouse's it was. I can remember Gran using her ration book there, so that's going back a bit!! I wonder if anyone recalls my gran, or the terrace of houses in Maple Road? Her name was May Finch and she had two daughters: the younger one (from her second marriage) was also called May, and the older one was my mother Gwen Fowler, a glamorous little blonde who loved going dancing. Next door at the end house was a family named Williams - I used to play with their grandaughter Olwen.
The old postcard photo of the Trysull Road - although it dates from around 1900 - is pretty much as I remember it from the 1940s, although by then there were some houses on the right hand side, too. Maple Road turned off to the left just round the corner from the end cottages, and there was an area of rough wasteland that we used as a playground.
I would guess that the name Bradmore has the same origin as Broadmoor (!) and originally described a broad, open tract of land that sloped up towards the Goldthorn Hill/Coalway Road ridge.
- Judy
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I'll ask mom about the maple house terraces, she might even know you!, mom was born in 33... her family were all around the area lol (the Griffiths's)... I was thinking... that Bradmores origins could have been to do with this ancient lake that was supposed to be around here, between Highfields school and tettenhall i think it was... someone did mention to me once it came from "Baroad mere"... but for the life of me i dont remember who lol... but there were boggy areas around here, apparently the "rec" in church road was originally boggy, and had to be filled in etc before it could be used,.,
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With reference to the Broad Lane and a lake in the area. Dr. K.M. Farr of Wolverhampton University gave a lecture "Wolverhampton Geology and History" In this she attributed the name Bradmore to Broad Moor and showed a sketch map locating the area between Uplands Avenue, Trysull Road and Broad Lane as a site shown on a geological map having lake silts and clays.
I hope this is of interest.
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Thanks for that Willow.
As regards the Dead lads grave, I don't think you will find an answer to that as it has been a bit of a legend for many, many years and no-one to my knowledge has been able to find out the origin of it.
Here is a pic that might interest you both. It is one I took many, many years ago (I can't remember when but the cars might give it away) of Star Street, Bradmore prior to it all being altered.
Regards, Bob.
Fascinated recently by the occurrence of Dead Lads Grave on the old maps, still there in 1920 but not in 1938, I searched the net without success.
But I think the answer was under my nose! I have a booklet called Investigating Penn written in 1975 and this is what it says…
Near Knave’s Grave is an interesting field name and is believed to be an allusion to the practice of burying suicides at a crossroads. Sewer excavations earlier in the century uncovered some very old human bones and these seem to bear out the theory. Hence the field names in Broad Lane…Near Knave’s Grave and Far Knave’s Grave, and in Birches Barn Road…Dead Lad’s Grave (Gravepiece).
All the best Peter
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well done!! never heard of that :) all the more interesting:)
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well done!! never heard of that :) all the more interesting:)
As an afterthought I found this from wikipedia concerning burials at crossroads...
[edit]Burial at cross-roads
Historically, burial at cross-roads was the method of disposing of executed criminals and suicides. Cross-roads form a crude cross and this gave rise to the belief that these spots were selected as the next best burying-places to consecrated ground. Another possible explanation is that the ancient Teutonic peoples often built their altars at the cross-roads, and as human sacrifices, especially of criminals, formed part of the ritual, these spots came to be regarded as execution grounds.[citation needed] Hence after the introduction of Christianity, criminals and suicides were buried at the cross-roads during the night, in order to assimilate as far as possible their funeral to that of the pagans. An example of a cross-road execution-ground was the famous Tyburn in London, which stood on the spot where the Roman road to Edgware and beyond met the Roman road heading west out of London.
Superstition also played a part in the selection of cross-roads in the burial of suicides. Folk belief often held such individuals could rise as some form of undead (such as a vampire) and burying them at cross-roads would inhibit their ability to find and wreak havoc on their living relations and former associates.
All the best Peter
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Well done Peter very interesting
It doesn't say anything about staking the bodies which I think was also done with the stake going right through the body into the earth (form of earth magic). I think it was also rumoured to be a Yew tree stake cus there is something tickling the back of my brain about Yew trees in graveyards but I cant remember what it is (or there again I've been watching too many horror movies ;D)
I think there was also another legend about them being buried at crossroads because if they rose then they wouldn't know which way to go
Willow x
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Yew trees ;D
http://news.softpedia.com/news/Trees-Associated-With-Graveyards-70789.shtml
Willow x
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Most interesting!
Bob.
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My late walking mucker and myself had our lunch in many a Churchyard surrounded by grand old yew trees. Sometimes under them for shade or shelter!
Talking of yew trees, from the same booklet Investigating Penn, it mentions a school founded in 1714 for poor children at Springhill. It says that a Yew tree (1975) still marks the spot at Wynn Crescent, and a stone from the school was incorporated in the wall of St. Bartholomew's Church at Penn.
Does anyone know if the tree is still there?
All the best Peter
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Just as a matter of interest for you Bradmore and ex Bradmore folks here is a picture of the Bradmore Inn when it was on the opposite side of the road. I have mentioned this fact before earlier in the thread.
The two men on the right would be standing where the present day bus stop is situated. To the left Is Birches Barn Rd and to the right is Broad Lane. Where the Inn is, is where the present day shops are and the imposing house on the left is where the present day establishment is. The old Bradmore school is not quite on the picture.
Bob.
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I don't know if this has been mentioned before but another mention in the booklet Investigating Penn (1975) may be of interest here...
Some years before the last war, a farmer, ploughing up land beyond Warstones Road, was amazed to find a large number of small cannon and musket balls lying fairly near the surface. He thought it must have been a site of a battle, but the fact that the shot was lying in definite lines close together made this unlikely. Further investigations revealed that it had been on of the highlights of the lives of the people living in the Bradmore Fields area to turn out to see the test firing of the newly finished guns by the gunsmiths. It seemed that the stretch of land now Oxbarn Avenue had been used as a firing range and it's importance to the 19C gun trade is recorded in the name of the Inn, the Gunmakers' Arms. Until a few years ago (written in 1975) there was still a gunsmith working in Merridale Road, a Mr. Stanton.
Regards Peter
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oh now you piqued my interest again! with my family being a gun lock making family, the Braziers... there were many arms of this family, In bradmore, Brickiln lane area, and across wolverhamptn, as well as birmingham and London ... http://www.wolverhampton-gunlocks.fslife.co.uk/ theres a big list in the page above (and in the list is Charles Brazier, of Church Road and Victoria road- My great great uncle, and frederick brazier, My 3 x great grandfather.. I wonder if those firings were to do w him too? the Braziers gun business is still going today too, albeit in name only... both in England and Colorado www.josephbrazier.com/history
and ive never heard of Bradmore called Bradmore Fields before, but I love it :)
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oh now you piqued my interest again! with my family being a gun lock making family, the Braziers... there were many arms of this family, In bradmore, Brickiln lane area, and across wolverhamptn, as well as birmingham and London ... http://www.wolverhampton-gunlocks.fslife.co.uk/ theres a big list in the page above (and in the list is Charles Brazier, of Church Road and Victoria road- My great great uncle, and frederick brazier, My 3 x great grandfather.. I wonder if those firings were to do w him too? the Braziers gun business is still going today too, albeit in name only... both in England and Colorado www.josephbrazier.com/history
Fascinating, and thanks for the link. At the site it mentions the Church records for the Braziers and also the Stantons!
Regards Peter
and ive never heard of Bradmore called Bradmore Fields before, but I love it :)
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A couple more pictures which may be of interest to you.
A bus and crew parked outside the Bradmore Inn.
A bus and crew parked outside Bradmore school.
Bob.
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I know too that the Gunmakers was at one point owned by another gun family the "Rigby" family
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Thanks to Uplands for the great photos.
On the Tithe map circa 1840 there is area near Merry Hill that is called Bottomless Pit. It does not seem to be mentioned on future maps.
I think it corresponds to, around, the wooded area now enclosed by Wooton Road, Woodland Road, Pinfold Lane and Coppice Lane.
Has anyone heard of the term being used?
Regards Peter
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I have never heard of the name before although the area you are talking about has always to my knowledge been known as Coppice wood.
I am 74 now but as a young lad I often nipped down Uplands Ave, where I was born and bred, to play there with various friends from the avenue.
I often wonder what happened to them as I joined the Royal Navy when I was fifteen and a half.
Bob.
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Hi Bob,
I had a feeling that “Bottomless Pit” would be way too old for anyone to remember.
Returning to “Dead Lad’s Grave” I found this site British Archaeology, no 25, June 1997
http://www.britarch.ac.uk/ba/ba25/BA25FEAT.HTML
It appears that Crossroad burial was abolished by Act of Parliament in 1823, and I have a feeling that our Dead Lad was a suicide as opposed to a criminal.
…At a crossroads on the Icknield Way, near Moulton on the border of Cambridgeshire and Suffolk, there is a neatly maintained patch of flowers at a spot known as the Boy's Grave. Folklore holds that a shepherd boy believed he had lost a sheep, but afraid of being accused of its theft and hanged or transported to Australia, he hanged himself. When the sheep were counted none were missing. Having taken his own life he was buried at this crossroads. People interested in the story now tend the grave…
….Andrew Percival's Notes on Old Peterborough (1905) described how a suicide burial called the Girl's Grave was marked by a stone in a cottage garden, now built over. The girl can almost certainly be identified with Elizabeth James, who poisoned herself after an unsuccessful romance. The Stamford Mercury of 31 May 1811 said she was buried on the edge of town by six female relatives dressed in white. In these instances it only took about a century for the buried persons' identities to be obscured
I don’t think we will ever know the identity, but RIP.
Best wishes Peter
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btw, you mentioned accumulators earlier?... what where they? some kind of batterry?
And as for me... ive been trying to find a pic of bradmore recreation grounds concrete castle, but alas w no luck, that was an old memory for me that I would dearly love a pic of as I spent the majority of my time there as a kid.. surely there must be photos of that!? it was there till hmm mid 80's at least
I came across this the other day is it any good to you?
Bob.
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oh well done!!!!!! awwww now that brings back many a childhood memory... wonderful memories (that castle was my second home!! LOL)
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Here is another oldie for you, looking down Wenlock Avenue in 1950 towards Trysull Rd.
Bob.
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Hello, i am new on this site, i was just wondering if any one has any history information or photographs of the railway station and track that is now a disused behind westacre crescent finchfield. I also would greatly appreciate any information or photos of the bradmore arms public house. my grandparents were land lord/land lady there and my father grew up there too. Wondered if anyone has any photos of between 1940-1965. Thank you x
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I am stuck for time at the moment but here are a couple of tasters for you.
Bob.
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And a couple more.
Bob.
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A couple more pictures which may be of interest to you.
A bus and crew parked outside the Bradmore Inn.
A bus and crew parked outside Bradmore school.
Bob.
Hi Bob,
Do you have date(s) for these pictures? Especially the second one. The detail is not quite clear enough to be sure but if the first man (left-to-right) in the second picture is an inspector, it could well be my grandfather.
Sheila
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Hi, thank you for the photos, you were very kind to post them so late Bob. They are brilliant. many thanks laura
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Hello, will be posting some pictures of the bradmore inn soon from when my father lived there, my father also worked at the Spinney hotel which is now apartments, he told me some wonderful stories of how the cows and other stock would be hanging on the hooks at the back of the hotel ready to be made into meals. It was from his work at the Spinney that he was able to buy his first MGB car which was quite an achievement at the age of 18. I cannot find any photos of the spinney hotel but i am trawling the website in hope! I am certainly going to make sure I take lots of photos for my future ancestors. Luckily my son was part of the Finchfield Flag and voted for his favourite design, which turned out to be the winner. Then the design was created by Phil Tibbets and is now a registered flag and hangs proudly around finchfield at Uplands school and Bhylls acre. Liz Millman Chair of the Finchfield Community Association can be contacted on www.learninglinksinternational.com for more information regarding the Finchfield Flag and also the Association. Finchfield community association also hold history groups at Uplands school and other interesting events. See LizBrant Topic posted on 5th March for more info.
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Hi Laura, what time period was your father at the Bradmore?
It used to be my local along with the Gunmakers Arms many years ago as I was born and bred in Uplands Avenue.
I look forward to seeing your photographs.
Bob.
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Bradmore Inn
This was taken in the days when the Bradmore Inn was on the opposite side of the road where the present day shops are situated. Trysull Rd straight ahead, Birches Barn Rd to the left and Broad Lane to the right. Where the two men are standing is where the present day bus stop is situated. The Bradmore school is just out of view on the left.
Bob.
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A couple more pictures which may be of interest to you.
A bus and crew parked outside the Bradmore Inn.
A bus and crew parked outside Bradmore school.
Bob.
Hi Bob,
Do you have date(s) for these pictures? Especially the second one. The detail is not quite clear enough to be sure but if the first man (left-to-right) in the second picture is an inspector, it could well be my grandfather.
Sheila
Hi Bob,
just wondered if you have any more information on these pictures, or a note of the source of them?
Sheila
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Hi Sheila
Somewhere in my files there might be a little more information but you will have to bear with me. If I come across it I will let you know but don't hold your breath!
Bob.
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Thanks Bob
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Many thanks for the reply.
Here is the map that I have, it's very similar to yours but a little more detailed.
I well remember the lane your mother talks about,it used to be a short-cut to Uplands Avenue. When you went through the gate at the top into the field you were in another world. On the same level were the air-raid shelters and to your left, but at a lower level was a playing field. This used to belong to Bingley St school and there was an old cricket pavilion. The boundary to the left adjoined the rear gardens to Uplands Drive and the boundary to the front adjoined the rear gardens in Uplands Avenue. There used to be a stream running along this boundary. We were friends with the Jones's who lived at 23 Uplands Avenue and they used to let us cross a little bridge into their back garden. I used to live at No. 20 across the road.
I used to go to Warstones Rd school and to get to school I could walk down Uplands Ave, cut across where the old farm used to be, walk along the stream and come out into Trysull Rd by Desboroughs stores. (there is still a shop there). I would then walk up to-wards where the Imperial dairy used to be and then cut left up a little lane which came out not far from the island at the top of Oxbarn Ave, then down to the school which had only just opened, 1941.
Happy days.
Hi Bob,
A few months ago I brought up the subject of Dead Lad's Grave and still it bugs me. Your mention above of a stream is very interesting and I have a tentative theory, but depends on the source and course of Graisley Brook. You may be able to help?
I think that the Anglo Saxon boundary, from the Wolverhampton Charter of 985, follows Graisley Brook to meet the Smestow Brook. On the modern maps there is a section of Graisley Brook shown, running between Merridale Road and Compton Road, but from there to the Smestow is now culverted.
On the boundary map shown in a book by Della Hooke, who seems to be a great authority on the subject, the brook takes a turn from a SE direction to a SW direction a short distance from the end of the modern map.
However, as I have confidence in the scale of the representation, the distance travelled by the brook is perhaps two thirds the distance of that from the turn to the Smestow. This would mean that it could come somewhere near your stream?
The bottom line here is that the Anglo Saxon boundary takes a left turn from an ancient road that passes Finchfield, to reach near the source of the missing brook. The point that it left the road was at a tree called "geaggan treow" and some take this to be a tree named after a person, but there is a theory that it may be "Gallows Tree"
Now Dead Lad's Grave is at a crossroads that could be quite close to this turn!
All the best Peter
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Enjoyed reading through all posts last night and was fascinated. Brought a lot back. Lived in Bradmore in 1950's - grandfather lived at 111 Broad Lane, me and parents in Highlands Road round corner. Remember Mrs Taylor in paper shop telling my mother she was far to old to become a newsagent at 45 - yet mum bought a shop in Leamore and we did ok. Remember shops like Cookery Nook and the offy on corner of Star St. And the old lady (very old and very small, she seemed) in the post office with her giant son.
I think lovely Milly Tromans had a shop near post office, but that may have been after we left Bradmore in about 1961.
And we used to walk to school at Warstones past a ramshackle farm - and we would call the farmer Brandy Balls and tease him.
Our fruit & veg was brought round every week by a Mr Wainwright on a big and ancient van. Anyone remember him?
Never thought I would reach my anecdotage, but it is quite good fun remembering all these things :)
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For anyone interested (hopefully all of us here LOL) theres a Wolverhampton Mini Meet, Friday 19 August at 12.00 for a picnic lunch in the courtyard outside the tearooms (inside if wet)
heres the thread link
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,545526.0.html
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Hi There
I have been reading your information on Bradmore, it is facinating!!! I too was born in Hughes Ave, the Coal Yard that you have spoken about was owned by the Beddows family, who lived at the bottom of our garden, but their front of the house was on Bradmore Road. Hope this is a help?
Pat
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Hi There
Many apologies I put the wrong name in my previous posting!!!!
I have been reading your information on Bradmore, it is fascinating!!! I too was born in Hughes Ave, the Coal Yard that you have spoken about was owned by the Hillman family, who lived at the bottom of our garden, but their front of the house was on Bradmore Road. Hope this is a help?
Pat
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Can anyone help please? My Grandmother lived at 50 Tysull Road on the 1911 Census. The house numbers next to the gunmakers [as it is today] are 49 on the corner of Maple Road going down to the Gunmakers and the last house is 61? Which are all ODD numbers
So in theory 50 Trysull Road, should be on the opposite side of the road. However the house numbers go from 46 on the corner of Wellington Road nearest Bradmore-- then there is the Car Park which I am assuming from reading these messages, is where the Gunmakers used to be? but the next house is 56!!! Which makes you think that 48-54 were knocked down at some point?
If the Gunmakers was on this car park, my question is where were house numbers 48-54 Trysull Road & when did the Gunmakers cross the road? Was it that 48 -54 were at the side of the pub, or were they built after the Pub moved and subsequently knocked down to leave the car park as it is today
Also does anyone have a photo of these cottages/houses to verify what happened
Any help would be appreciated
Pat
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Hello Pat
I have some good news and some bad news. The good news is that
The Bradmore Arms at Bradmore was rebuilt on the other side of the road to make way for the new shopping centre before the war.
The old Gunmakers Arms was in the same place as the present one see attached pictures.
The bad news is that the house that you are after must have been where the present day car park is and demolished. I am attaching also a picture taken many years ago of the car park. I am the taller member of the bunch, I am now 75.
I hope this helps you in your quest.
Bob.
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Hi Bob
Thank you so much for that information, I am wondering if the houses on the other side of the road have been re-numbered at some point in time? But that still does not account for the missing numbers as it stands today?
I have looked at maps of the area for 1898 & 1890 & there is nothing on the other side of the road from 4 houses below the Star Stores? But then on a 1938 map it appears to be as it is today, with a space for the car park?
So I suppose what I need to find is a map c 1911 when the census took place. Perhaps that will throw some light on to the missing houses.
Thank you for your help
Pat
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Hi Pat.
I see what you mean.
Here is the Seisdon Road in 1901.
Bob.
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Hi Bob
I think if I look at the 1911 census & see where the address are around my paternal Grandparents, see if that throws any light on the situation? I will keep you informed.
Many thanks for you help
Kind regards
Pat
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Hi Bob
This what I have got off the 1911 census:-
53 Bradmore Inn Freeman Family
52 Smith Family
51 Besley & Shelley family
50 Kerry & Step Children Chambers MY FAMILY
49 Poutney Family
48 Talbot Family
47 Pugh Family
46 Johnson Family
45 Kelsy Family
then I think it is Maple Road of 9 houses
43 no record
42 Heeley Family
41 Roper Family
40 Clee Family
39 No Record
38 Taft Family - Lamp lighter & newsagent
37 Gunmakers Vernon Family
So I think that the houses were all on the one side of the road -- then subsequently renumbered at a later date? This would fit the photo of Trysull Road that shows houses on the same side as the gunmakers & fields on the other? If this is so then my Grandmother's house would be in that line of houses?
To verify this now I need to get a map for 1911 & if that shows it with houses on the one side then I could be right?
Pat
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" GUNMAKERS ARMS " Past customers.
Hi guys
It's been a considerable time since this section about Bradmore and
district has been posted so can I bring it alive again?
Many, many years ago my Father, Brother and self were regular customers
at the Gunmakers Arms, in fact when I joined the Royal Navy as a Boy
seaman in 1952 and was sent to HMS Ganges for the initial 12 months
training ( It was Hell) and I came home on my first leave we all went
to the Gunmakers , Mother included, for a drink. Of course I was well
under age and in those days the law was pretty strict.
Jack Hughes was the land lord at the time and I remember him saying to
my parents "If he is old enough to wear the Queens uniform he is old
enough to drink"
This was good news to me and we all had an evening session. Closing
time in those days was at 10 PM with no drinking up time so we all set
off walking back to Uplands Avenue and bed.
On arrival I rapidly disappeared to the outside back drain where I was
violently sick, I shall never forget the drama.
To cut a long story short when I left the Navy my family and I moved
over to Shropshire but my Father and brother continued to use the
Guns.
Phillip , My brother often used to take his camera with him but
unfortunately passed away 10 years ago with the dreaded "C"
The other week I came across some old negatives of his and had great
pleasure in bringing the past to the present day.
A lot of his pictures were of Family, English Heritage , National trust
sites and customers in pub pictures.
I have numerous pictures of customers in the Quarterhouse, Compton Road
( sadly now demolished ) and 6 photographs of customers in the
Gunmakers.
I am posting these pics and would like to know if anyone remembers them.
I would imagine they have all departed from this world now but the
picture might jog a few memories.
I have scanned them all and they are all on my computer should anyone
desire a copy, who knows they could be relations!
Regards, Bob Hanley.
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Hi Pat
My gran lived in one of the terraced houses in Maple Road until her death in 1955. At the junction of Maple Road with Seisdon Road was an area of waste ground where I used to play as a kid - there were house bricks and roof slates and all sorts of demolition rubble there, so I should imagine several houses had been knocked down at some time during the War. Could this account for the missing house numbers you've come across?
Does anyone remember the Williams family who lived in Maple Road? They had a granddaughter named Olwen. She and I used to play hop-scotch and skipping games around an old lamp standard opposite the terrace. It has only recently been removed, so it served a long innings!
- judijee
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Thanks Bob or re reminding Me of this thread, and lovely to see so many other people joining it!! I need to catch up with all these posts later lolol... as for me, Im born and bred just off church road, in wellington ave, but my family have been around church road area since the mid 1800s so I consider myself a fully paid up "Bradmorian" lolol (yup just invented the term lol and I love finding out more of the area... what Id love, is to find a picture of this field mom was telling me of in wenlock avenue, I can picture it in my head but....
on an offside, I love to draw, so combining that with this thread, heres a drawing I happenned to draw the other week...
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Just saw this on another thread and thought id pop it on here in case one of us can help her... as it relates to Finchfield so its part of our talks too, kinda lol...
Hi there everyone,
I'm looking for a picture/photo of Finchfield Cottages, these were situated where the row of shops which includes the Nationwide Bldg Society are now. On the corner of Oak Hill was Rogers's shop the greengrocer.
Also does anyone remember a small shed which was a newspaper "shop" which was situated on Castlecroft Road I think about no 64, it was situated down an alley behind the houses. This is not the shop that used to be in the dip where the bus stop is now.
Anything would be helpfull.
Kizzy
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Enjoyed reading through all posts last night and was fascinated. Brought a lot back. Lived in Bradmore in 1950's - grandfather lived at 111 Broad Lane, me and parents in Highlands Road round corner. Remember Mrs Taylor in paper shop telling my mother she was far to old to become a newsagent at 45 - yet mum bought a shop in Leamore and we did ok. Remember shops like Cookery Nook and the offy on corner of Star St. And the old lady (very old and very small, she seemed) in the post office with her giant son.
I think lovely Milly Tromans had a shop near post office, but that may have been after we left Bradmore in about 1961.
And we used to walk to school at Warstones past a ramshackle farm - and we would call the farmer Brandy Balls and tease him.
Our fruit & veg was brought round every week by a Mr Wainwright on a big and ancient van. Anyone remember him?
Never thought I would reach my anecdotage, but it is quite good fun remembering all these things :)
Just found out that you are talking about where I used to live, namely the Star Stores Off Licence left there in 1972 days before demolition
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Hi all,
I can understand the confusion about the missing houses and the lack of logic behind the numbering. I used to deliver papers for Tug Wilson of Church Rd and as a lad of 12 learning a paper round it was an eye opener.
Also, I lived at the Star stores Off-licence from 1962 until 1972 when the demolition forced us to fresh fields in herefordshire
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Welcome to the forum Springerbob.
We both know the area of Bradmore and its old traders very well.
You seem to have left the area when I came out of the Royal Navy and joined the Borough police force.
All the names you mention I knew very well and if it is okay with you I should like to trade emails with you on a more regular basis.
Have you many photographs of the area that you can post for the rest of the members to peruse?
I would like to draw your attention to another forum which is slowly growing which, if you join it, will add a bit of weight to the Bradmore side of Wolverhampton.
Mention my name, Bob Hanley and I shall look forward to hearing from you should you join.
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Kizzy
Yes I was born at N0.18 Finchfield Road West 1949 the opposite end to Rogers's shop.
I do have some photos will have to sort them out
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Hi all,
I can understand the confusion about the missing houses and the lack of logic behind the numbering. I used to deliver papers for Tug Wilson of Church Rd and as a lad of 12 learning a paper round it was an eye opener.
Also, I lived at the Star stores Off-licence from 1962 until 1972 when the demolition forced us to fresh fields in herefordshire
Im too young.. i imagine. too remember Tug.. wilson, but, to this day My family syill often refer to that lil papershop as "Wilson's" I knew it as being owned, or ran.. by Sylvia.. not sure if she was actually a Wilson herself, but she still lives further in church road... I was in that shop daily.. I think it closed down when I was around.. 20.. mighta been earlier not sure lol
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Hello Arasus,
Many thanks for your message, if and when you find photo's of Rogers's shop and cottages, or any other parts of Finchfield i would love to see copies.
Regards
Kizzy :)
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Welcome to RootsChat
When new members have made more than two posts you will be able to exchange private messages with one another to exchange sensitive information.
Sarah :)
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For those Wulfrunians who live or lived on the Penn side of Wolverhampton'
Bob.
Located on a 1930’s housing estate in the Penn suburb, southwest of Wolverhampton. The Penn Cinema was opened on 27th December 1937 with The Marx Brothers in “A Day At The Races”. The Penn Cinema was a project of the Penn Cinema Company, formed by Birmingham based accountant and cinema owner B.T. Davis, together with architect Roland Satchwell who designed the building, and other local businessmen.
The facade of the cinema was in brick with a central section over the entrance in white stone, which had five vertical windows, allowing light into the circle foyer. Inside the auditorium, seating was provided in stalls and circle levels.
The Penn Cinema was always operated by the independent Penn Cinema Company who kept it well maintained, even to the end when it was closed on 24th March 1973 with the British comedy film “Ooh…You Are Awful” starring Dick Emery. The owners had been made an ‘offer they couldn’t refuse’ for the site, and it was demolished for a supermarket to be built. Initially a MacMarket, then International Stores, in 2011, it is a Somerfield supermarket.
.Contributed by Ken Rose
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I remember going there to see "South Pacific". I'm sure that I saw lots of other films there too but that one stood out as it was a friend's birthday treat. :)
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Went there lots of times as we only lived down the road but mainly remember seeing Herbie when I was about 8 which gave me a life long addiction for VW Beetles ;D
Willow x
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Don't remember it personally, but moms often telling me of her dad taking her there on weekends, and of going there w my dad.... Me? I remember it as Mac market lolol
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Saturday cinema club in the 60's and knew Steven Worral who's Dad ran the chip shop a couple of doors away...Freds Plaice
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I remember the Penn Cinema from the late 1940s/early 50s when I used to go every week to the Saturday matinees. Now I can only remember Roy Rogers and Hopalong Cassidy, and some bloke who shouted "Shazam". And one highlight of my very young years - my parents taking me to my first grown-up film, "Forever Amber", which sparked a life-long love of all things historical.
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Hell. I am new to rootschat. I have recently started tracing my ancestors on Heritage. I saw a post by bhandley. I believe we ay be related some way and would like to make contact. Please advise
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It says you are a Rootschat Pioneer so I thought you would be able to click on a member's name and send a personal message. I will look out for it as I assume you have information to share as I am unaware of a connection. :)