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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Nottinghamshire => Topic started by: topmarx on Wednesday 23 February 05 22:53 GMT (UK)
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I am trying to trace Henry Mellors history.
He was born in 1857 in Thoroton Notts
He does not appear on the 1861 census in Thoroton.
I found him on the 1881 census living in Farndon with an Uncle
He married a Farndon woman named Kate Dunn
I could find nothing else for him then a lady researching the same surname sent me this info
She writes
"I found your Henry in the 1871 census, under the name of Mellows as were my Mellors"
"Its a bit confusing but may help"
JOHN HEMSTOCK age 77
Sophia Mellows 43 servant b.Thoroton
Henry Mellows 15 son b. Thoroton
Harriet Mellows 9 daughter b Flintham
Emma Mellows 8 b Flintham
John 7 weeks b. Flintham. :o
Is this the same person?
Were they this old guys kids?
Can anyone help?
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Hi,
A search for Henry with Thoroton, gives only one Henry with a surname like Mellor, which is the entry you are quoting.
It is quite common for names to be mis-spelt on census, due to the enumerator using a more phonetic spelling, just writing down what he hears, with differing accents a name is easily misspelt.
Incidently the occupation of John Hemstock was castrator!
As to whether the children are John's, it is hard to say. On the surface it would seem that way. However, I have families in my tree with a wife and kids, husband away for census and they have been listed in a similar way implying they are children of the head of house, when they are not.
Perhaps trying to find the other children on the 1881 census may give more clues.
Sue
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???
Thank you for your reply.
Can I ask please. Where is Flintham in relation to Thoroton ?
Also how can I look up the 1881 census and how will it prove things one way or another?
Do you mean in case there is a Mr Mellows who was away?
What an occupation for Mr Henstock to have had. Especially if he turns out to be related.
I am an animal breeder!!!!! ;D
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Hi Topmarx
It might be a good idea to get Henry MELLORS' marriage certificate if you haven't already. This might give his father's name and occupation as well as other useful information which should help in solving this problem.
Have you researched the uncle that you mention in the 1881 census? If he was a true uncle then researching him back should lead you to Henry's mother or father depending upon which side of the family he was an uncle.
Best wishes
Casalguidi
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Hi,
Ok, not sure what the 1881 gives you, but here is the entry.
Sophia MELARS Head W Female 54 Thoroton, Nottingham, England
Harriet MELARS Daur U Female 20 Flintham, Nottingham, England Lace Maker
John MELARS Son Male 10 Flintham, Nottingham, England Scholar
Joseph EASON Lodger U Male 44 Flintham, Nottingham, England Agricultural Labourer
Private House
Census Place Flintham, Nottingham, England
Family History Library Film 1341808
Public Records Office Reference RG11
Piece / Folio 3380 / 115
Page Number 15
Flintham and Thoroton are quite close, have a look for them here.
www.streetmap.co.uk
I guess you could try Flintham for the family on the 1861 it looks like they were there when Harriet was born and could have been there for the census.
Sue
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Thank you all for your help on this.
;)Well it looks as though Sophia suddenly stops being a servant and becomes the head??
It seems to point to John Hemstock being daddy, as once again there is no Mr Mellors at home. :-\
Unless he had a job which took him away a lot.
I will try to find when Henry married Kate Dunn and get the marriage cert as suggested.
Can anyone say which is the best way to research the uncle?
Would trying to find the marriage do?
I only have the details off the 1881 census
William Allwood aged 86 born Farndon married to Sarah aged 52 born Thoroton. So can I try without the brides surname?
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Here's a start:
1871
Farndon, Lincolnshire (no address given)
William ALLWOOD (snr) head mar 73 carrier b.Farndon
Sarah wife 44 b.Thoroton
Mary Ann dau 13 b.Farndon
George son 8 b.Farndon
next door:
William ALLWOOD (jnr) head mar 36 maltster b.Farndon
Mary wife 32 b.Navenby Lincolnshire
Harriet dau 10/11 b.Bracebridge Lincolnshire
William son 5 b.Lincoln
Lilly dau 3 b.Lincoln
RG10/3544 folio 110 page 1
It would probably be a good idea to try and track this family back in the earlier census. Likewise with Sophia. With William ALLWOOD being so old, it's a bit difficult to decide whether he would be an uncle or great uncle (uncle in law even) to your Henry MELLORs. I would start with the marriage of Henry MELLORS and the earlier census returns but it's not my family so it's up to you really.
Good luck
Casalguidi
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;D
You have been so very helpful. Thanks again.
I shall get busy then and try to follow your advice.
I have been trying to trace a birth for Henry he says he was born Thoroton. I have found the only one for the right time period in Bingham. Which is not that far away. I am going to go for this cert as a starter.
best wishes
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............... I wouldn't! Go for his marriage first, then you might get a father's name or some other little clue because you still won't know if the birth certificate is the correct one if you get that first and it may turn out to be wrong.
Best wishes
Casalguidi
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Thanks again
How long would you say floks were married then on average before the first child was born?
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It was quite common to be expecting before marriage so who knows!
On freebmd there are these 2 mysterious entries both registered in the Sep quarter 1882 Newark RD ................
Henry MELLOWS 7b 6(3/8)1
Kate DUNN 7b 531
They need checking out ................. looks like a bit of a muddle to me ............... could be your couple but which ref is correct ??? Would your couple have married about this time? Is Neward RD the correct area?
The 7b 531 looks incorrect as this is the ref for four other people married Nottingham in that quarter so that leaves ............. Henry - could it be 631? Try and get the refs checked out otherwise you might have difficulty if it is the right marriage and you don't have the ref. right.
Casalguidi
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Well with the mess that was made with the reference number they could have done the same with the road and they did live in the Newark area after they married. So who knows? ::)
Their first child seems to have been born in 1885 in Farndon so yes it could be them
Thanks yet again
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Hi,
I checked the index on 1837online.
The marriage reference, Sept quarter 1882,
Henry Mellows Newark 7b 631
Kate Dunn Newark 7b 631
Looks like that is their marriage, I would use the reference and get the certificate.
Sue
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Wonderful, you are so kind.
I shall get onto that asap.
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I must have been half asleep when I read what you sent to me Casalguidi for the 1871 census.
Sarah must have been the 2nd wife of William mustn't she taking into account the age of William Jnr.
Also I suppose that Henry could have been the nephew of Sarah who on the 1881 was 52.
What is the best way to go about finding out?
Another marriage cert?
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Yes, I agree about the relationsips - there are a number of possibilities. I would go with trying to track them back on the census first ie. 1861 when they look likely to be in Farndon and then see what turns up from that. Also, try and find Sophia & family in 1861 - Flinton or Thoroton perhaps?
If you've ordered the marriage certificate for Henry & Kate, you might not need to go down this road with the ALLWOODs just yet .............. it might just turn up when you research Henry and his parents back a bit. It's up to you.
Best wishes
Casalguidi
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I think your right. I will wait for the Marriage cert.
Patience is the word
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Right well silly me, forgot that I had sent for the bc for Henry.
Anyway it says
born 16 Feb 1857 Thoroton
son of Sophia(x)Mellors
Dont know what the x means
Anyway it looks like he was illigitimate
and maybe the son of the old guy after all
Sheila
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Hello all
I thought that I would just share with you who have helped.
I have today received the mc for Henry Mellors and Kate Dunn
His father is named as John Hemstock (Castrator)
Which leads to another puzzle.
It looks like Henry was born to Sophia and John BEFORE John was married to the illusive wife. ???
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Hi Sheila
That's brilliant news as it fits with everything else doesn't it? So you need to find the family in 1861 now then ......... and in the other census back from there.
Good luck
Casalguidi
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Hi again
1861 census
John Hemstock 65
Sophia Mellows 37
Henry 4
Henry is described as a visitor.
On the record of marriage for a John Hemstock and Elizabeth Paxton June 1860
I dont think this could have been the same John as it seems he would have been 66 when he married. Doesn't really sound right??