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Title: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: J.Bakewell on Friday 05 June 09 04:46 BST (UK)
Hello all! I am a newbie to the site and currently reside in the US and I have been trying to find information regarding my past and present family. My family has a fairly rich heritage in Middletown, NY USA especially within trade jobs throughout the centuries.

I have a few burning questions and I hope someone can help me out. My great, great, great grandfather is Josiah Bakewell who was born in Derbyshire England in the town of Bakewell in 1818. He immigrated to the US in 1846 or so and I am trying to find information about my family before he left England and especially about my family here in the states.

I cannot find any information regarding Josiah's parents, siblings or relatives that may have remained in England and I would love to find out about them and see if any still live in England. Josiah was a premier saw maker in the UK as well as the US and his saws are highly sought after collectors pieces here in the US.

So, if anyone has any information about the Bakewell family and if I have any relatives elsewhere I would greatly appreciate any information. My grandmother Ada just turned 104 this week and there are only three Bakewell's from Josiah's line still alive anywhere to my knowledge. This includes my grandmother, myself, and my father. Thanks so much in advance!!!

Sincerely,

J. Bakewell
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: nickgc on Friday 05 June 09 05:15 BST (UK)
Hello and welcome to RC.

Presume you have US census info.  Have you obtained his probable marriage cert to Mary Ann Vernon (?) in June qtr 1841?  It could well have their fathers' names and possible other relatives as witnesses.  This might be a good place to start.

Nick
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: charlotteCH on Friday 05 June 09 05:27 BST (UK)
Hullo and welcome to rootchat ;D

nick had given you a possible marriage- and as he says, that's the obvious place to start your search. 
You can also look at freebmd which will have the marriage there and any children who were born before they left England.
To find freebmd put that term into G**gle.

charlotte
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: Woody32 on Friday 05 June 09 09:28 BST (UK)
Hi,

Are you sure he was born in Bakewell?  I cant seem to find any JOSIAH BAKEWELL's born in Bakewell !!! Quite a few hits on A Warwickshire JOSIAH BAKEWELL though but he stayed in England.
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: Laurina on Friday 05 June 09 10:09 BST (UK)
Welcome to rootschat.

Do you know who he emigrated with? Did he have a wife and children when he arrived in US?

Laurina
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: MonicaL on Friday 05 June 09 10:47 BST (UK)
Hi All  :)

There seems to be two Josiah Bakewells of similar age and both with wives called Mary Ann on the 1841 Census! As Woody said earlier, these show in the Warwickshire area.

Nick's marriage entry showing in the 2nd Quarter of 1841 looks spot on. The census that year was on 6/7 June, so likely marriage that quarter before those dates.

The entry that seems  to relate to your Josiah, in Birmingham, Warwickshire:

Josiah Bakewell, 20, saw m(aker?), born in county
Mary Ann Bakewell, 20, born in the county

HO107; Piece 1148; Book: 10

Monica

Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: Isles on Friday 05 June 09 10:57 BST (UK)
Hi.  If you open the following link and enter the name Josiah Bakwell you will find that he was a Saw Mill Worker aged 30 and arrived 20 May 1848 from London.

http://stevemorse.org/ellis/cg.html
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: Isles on Friday 05 June 09 11:23 BST (UK)
Another possibility ?

     William Bakewell and Sarah Jennings married 15 Apr 1811, Aston Juxta, Birmingham, Warwick.  Thomas born 28 Oct 1812, Jane born 6 Aug 1814, Josiah born 12 Feb 1816.  All born at St Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick.

Isles.
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: hiraeth on Friday 05 June 09 11:55 BST (UK)
Hi J Bakewell

I've checked the Parish Register transcription of All Saints Church Bakewell, Derbyshire for baptisms of actual Bakewells 1614-1841.  These are the only ones I could  find

BAKEWELL, Jane  16/05/1831 - no parents listed
BAKEWELL, Robert  22/01/1829, s/o BAKEWELL, John & Mary
BAKEWELL, Thomas 05/03/1830, s/o BAKEWELL. John & Mary
BAKEWELL, John   30/10/1831, s/o  BAKEWELL John & Mary

Heather
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: nickgc on Friday 05 June 09 12:13 BST (UK)
I based my guess on Josiah's wife being Mary Ann Vernon on the fact that in the 1860 New York census his wife is listed as "Mary A."

Nick
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: J.Bakewell on Friday 05 June 09 12:34 BST (UK)
Wow! Thanks so much to everyone!!! Basically I am new to all of this so I dont know where to search for any of this stuff and im not sure what to search exactly.

I have come across US census information but I cannot recall where I found it for those early dates. From what I gather Josiah Bakewell and Mary Ann Vernon were married in England and then moved to the US with just those two and their children were born here. They had 9 children and of which only two survived, Sidney and Jesse. Where would I look for the marriage information???

Not to sound like a complete newbie but with the census information what does HO107; Piece 1148; Book: 10 mean exactly? Like I said this is all very new to me  ;D.

How common is the last name Bakewell in England? Over here it is not common at all and I as far as I know there isnt anyone with that last name. I see the names posted but I am having trouble figuring out who is who.

Hiraeth and Isles I see the information you posted and the names! The thing I see is the difference between the two, the dates, and the names listed? Any ideas what all that means? Im taking baby steps in the right direction I believe so thank you all so much and the more information the better!

Sincerely,

J. Bakewell

Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: J.Bakewell on Friday 05 June 09 12:35 BST (UK)
Hi,

Are you sure he was born in Bakewell?  I cant seem to find any JOSIAH BAKEWELL's born in Bakewell !!! Quite a few hits on A Warwickshire JOSIAH BAKEWELL though but he stayed in England.

I have a few files floating around that I will dig up that did say he was born in Bakewell in Derbyshire England. I wonder if the one that left and the one that stayed are of any relation?

Sincerely,

J. Bakewell
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: J.Bakewell on Friday 05 June 09 12:37 BST (UK)
I based my guess on Josiah's wife being Mary Ann Vernon on the fact that in the 1860 New York census his wife is listed as "Mary A."

Nick

Nick you are correct. Mary Ann Vernon is his wife and the two are burried together on my families plot.

Sincerely,

J. Bakewell
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: MonicaL on Friday 05 June 09 12:43 BST (UK)
The reference I gave for the possible 1841 census entry is the reference to their individual entry, what is referred to as the 'source citation'. For example, if you were using Ancestry to view this entry, you would insert this data on the general search screen boxes and it would take you straight to that entry. Just realised that I have missed out some of the reference:

HO107; Piece 1148; Book: 10; Folio 26; Page 13

Monica  :)
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: J.Bakewell on Friday 05 June 09 12:48 BST (UK)
So fascinating I swear! My biggest question really is where my family came from before him and do I have any relatives in England still or in the rest of the world. I would love to meet another Bakewell  ;)

I will certainly take that information you gave me and write it down and keep it close by. Thank you all again so much

Sincerely,

J. Bakewell
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: MonicaL on Friday 05 June 09 13:18 BST (UK)
The only way to go back really is to verify Josiah and Mary Ann's father from their marriage cert. I just did a search for births on IGI  www.familysearch.org for possible births for Mary Ann and one jumps out!

MARY ANN VERNUN  Birth: 18 APR 1818 Lombard Street General Baptist, Birmingham, Warwick
Parents:THOMAS VERNUN and MARY

Josiah and Mary Ann show in 1841 in the household of a Thomas Vernon, 50, a carpenter by trade and his wife Mary, 50. Also showing is a William and John, both 15 who would potential brothers to Mary Ann I would imagine.

The 1841 census is the most limited in terms of information. One characteristic of this year's census is that ages were often rounded down to the nearest 5 yrs for everyone over 15. So Mary Ann and Josiah showing as 20 that year would mean their actual age could be anywhere between 20-24, and so on for the rest.

Monica
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: J.Bakewell on Friday 05 June 09 13:35 BST (UK)
Monica is there anywhere online to get a hold of the marriage certificate? Mary was born in 1818 as well as Josiah so that fits perfectly! I am so glad to hear this bit of information! For the past few months ive been pulling my hair out trying to find places to look and I stumbled upon this site and within a day ive gotten more information that I had in months of searching the G**gle way  ::).

I am going to write this down and start building a family tree! If I can find that marriage certificate I can progress further backwards correct?

Sincerely,

J. Bakewell
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: Laurina on Friday 05 June 09 13:39 BST (UK)
Quote
http://stevemorse.org/ellis/cg.html

I looked at the shipping site posted earlier - interesting to see that a Wm. Vernon aged 23 travelled on the same ship as Josiah Bakewell. Could this be Mary's brother?

Laurina
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: Woody32 on Friday 05 June 09 13:42 BST (UK)
You can order the Marriage Certificate from here...

http://www.gro.gov.uk/gro/content/certificates/

you need to register and the certificates cost £7.00

Josiah Bakewell Kings Norton 18 483 Jun Qtr 1841


oops forgot your in America..It may cost a little bit more, not sure.
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: MonicaL on Friday 05 June 09 13:45 BST (UK)
Thanks Woody for the marriage cert links  :)

That was a good find Laurina on the ship manifest! Certainly looks v. likely we may have a trail on at least Mary Ann's family.

Monica
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: J.Bakewell on Friday 05 June 09 13:54 BST (UK)
My BlackBerry has been going off all morning with updates ;D. This is very exciting news! It would seem probable that William traveled to the US with Josiah and Mary. I looked up Josiah's parents and the dates of birth match up with what I know and it looks like they only had one child?

It says that William Bakewell and Sara Bakewell had one child Josiah in 1818. If that is the case and he was an only child then it seems like the trail is going to have to lead back to William and if he had brothers that had children.

A trail on the Vernun/Vernon's is good as well! Now that ive established that Josiah may have been an only child, at least at that point in 1825, where should I go to look for information regarding his parents and their siblings?

Sincerely,

J. Bakewell
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: MonicaL on Friday 05 June 09 14:00 BST (UK)
I'd be careful at this stage on making assumptions on the parents of Josiah. As Woody mentioned earlier, there is at least one other Josiah showing with same birth place/years/wife's name! I can see this Josiah with with wife Mary in the 1851 census showing as born in Birmingham with one son William aged 10. This Josiah shows as a gunsmith by trade.

Until you can confirm father's name from your Josiah's marriage cert. I would only be using pencil at this stage  ;)

Monica
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: J.Bakewell on Friday 05 June 09 14:02 BST (UK)
Fair enough  :D! My GGGGF Josiah had two boys and I will continue to search for information. I dont want to seem desperate but im trying hard to see if there are any more of us out there. For those that have done the genealogy of their families how far back in history have you been able to trace?

Sincerely,

J. Bakewell
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: MonicaL on Friday 05 June 09 14:24 BST (UK)
Everybody you speak to will have a different experience. My lines have gone back to 1750s. Some people quote trees going back to BC  ::) others struggle to get beyond a few generations.

The key thing you are reliant on is how you can verify your sources as you work back. Records become thinner on the ground the further back you go.

Monica
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: J.Bakewell on Friday 05 June 09 14:28 BST (UK)
I can completely understand that! My grandmother just turned 104 the other day and she was telling me last night about our family and was telling me about being related to Shakespeare. Who knows at this point who I am and am not related to  8)

So the first step is looking like getting my hands on that marriage certificate for Josiah and Mary then figuring out their parents and going from there correct? It will probably take me a bit to get all that together though. There is no way to view it online is there? Thanks so much

Sincerely,

J. Bakewell

PS- This is a picture of my grandmother Ada Mae Bakewell in the 1920's when she was around 20 herself. Im trying to get my hands on the old tin photos we have of Josiah and his family! Im keeping my fingers crossed
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: MonicaL on Friday 05 June 09 15:09 BST (UK)
Oh my goodness...104! Beautiful looking young woman  :)

I'm about to be late for heading off on the school run for my crew  ::) but will post back later. There might be a grain to what your grandmother has said about Shakespeare....not necessarily The Bard but a marriage I found for my potential penciled in parents to your Josiah, where bride's surname is...Shakespeare.

Back in a little while.... :)

Monica
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: J.Bakewell on Friday 05 June 09 15:13 BST (UK)
Holy incredible news! I would absolutely love to work with you and help you out in any way possible for helping me! I am a member of a good few forums but not any that pertain to ancestry or the like. Cant wait to chat with you more!

Sincerely,

J. Bakewell
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: MonicaL on Friday 05 June 09 20:31 BST (UK)
A sad Monica - my computer has just crashed and on husband's laptop which is no use to me at all  :'(

I also think I had a complete mental crash with my reference to surname Shakespeare, this was to do with a search I was doing earlier  :P

I think we should hold off on guessing on Josiah's likely family until we get some confirmation from his marriage cert. There are potentially at least three sets of parents who it could be.

Do you have access to Ancestry.com. I only have the UK version. I did see a Bakewell family tree for Josiah and Mary Ann. Seems fairly comprehensive and includes details on sons Samuel and Josiah (Jesse) and descendents. It also includes images for censuses for the family from 1850 - 1930. Two things to note though:

1. It has no additional info on Josiah and Mary Ann's parents and siblings and their origins.
2. There seems to be a bit of a mix up on the data with the other Josiah and Mary that we have found on the English censuses.

In the main though, there is a lot of information which I am not sure if you have and would be worthwhile you checking.

You could also try contacting the tree owner, if not known to you, to try to compare notes  :)

I'm going to go off now and scream in a dark room until I figure out my current computer crisis   ???

Monica  :)
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: J.Bakewell on Friday 05 June 09 20:52 BST (UK)
Monica dont scream too loud I may hear you all the way over the pond! Josiah's two boys were Sidney V. and Jesse J. and both are buried on my families plot. I was unaware of there being (possibly) three sets of parents!!! I have been trying to track more information down all day (been working on it since 7am).

I did find out that Mary Vernon's family owned the town of Bakewell back in the 16th century which is just very interesting. That is what I can gather from preliminary searches but I will have to track down the descendants from that line and see if I can tie them in with Mary Ann Vernon and her parents.

I really think I have found a new hobby! Let me know what you find out and I will continue plugging away over here. I will work on getting my hands on that marriage certificate

Sincerely,

J. Bakewell
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: J.Bakewell on Friday 05 June 09 21:05 BST (UK)
Im currently on that site trying to get the marriage certificate but I have no idea if I filled it out properly. Does this look proper?

Year     Qtr     District        Vol     Page     Reg     Ent No     DOR
1841   Jun   Kings Norton    18       483       

Sincerely,

J. Bakewell
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: Woody32 on Friday 05 June 09 22:03 BST (UK)
Looks ok to me :)
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: Woody32 on Friday 05 June 09 22:10 BST (UK)
"I did find out that Mary Vernon's family owned the town of Bakewell back in the 16th century which is just very interesting. That is what I can gather from preliminary searches but I will have to track down the descendants from that line and see if I can tie them in with Mary Ann Vernon and her parents."


How did you get that information?  I know the "manners" and "Vernons" are part of folklore in Bakewell but where does your research fit in?
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: J.Bakewell on Friday 05 June 09 23:47 BST (UK)
I was doing research on the gene line and I came across a possible distant relative that, according to the source, the town went to the Manner's in 1567 with the marriage of Dorothy Vernon and John Manners. I have no hard facts yet other than a name but its pretty interesting regardless  8). I have no idea the truth behind any of the stuff but im just going to present anything I find so that everyone can take a look at it. Its all very exciting  ;)

Sincerely,

J. Bakewell
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: nickgc on Saturday 06 June 09 03:05 BST (UK)
Hello again.  You asked how many Bakewells in an earlier post:  from FreeBMD (births, marriages, deaths in UK) found at http://www.freebmd.org.uk/ we get the following figures from 1837 - whenever (varies):

Births - 2713
Deaths - 1629
Marriages - 1592

FreeBMD is a resource that will be very helpful to you and should be explored.

I would caution not to go too far back too fast.  If you are only interested in Bakewells you might consider doing a "one name study".  It sounds like you know all of your Bakewell ancestors back to Josiah and Mary Ann, so documenting parents, grandparents, great grandparents, etc. as much as possible while awaiting Josiah's wedding cerrtificate would be good if not already done.  Keeps one from chewing fingernails until the mail arrives.

Nick

Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: J.Bakewell on Saturday 06 June 09 03:11 BST (UK)
Nick thanks so much! I have been looking into FreeREG and am unsure if its the same thing? I will certainly look into that! And yes, I do know all of my ancestors back until 1818 and I just cannot figure out Josiah's parents. I am going to try and contact those that have it to make sure it is what I need and that it has the information on it.

What is the chance that the marriage license wouldnt have the parents listed?

Sincerely,

J. Bakewell
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: nickgc on Saturday 06 June 09 03:26 BST (UK)
It should have both his and Mary Ann's parents fathers listed, even if they were deceased at the time they married, unless they were unknown.

I was just looking at the Hughwallis site based on the find of Josiah and sibs being born in Warwick, and found something interesting:  It shows Josiah born 12 Feb 1816, but not christened until 26 Dec 1825.  Brother Thomas was also christened almost 2 years after birth.  Odd...

That is another site you will want to explore as you progress in your research since it has BMD prior to civil registration requirements in 1837;

http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers.htm

Nick
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: J.Bakewell on Saturday 06 June 09 03:30 BST (UK)
Nick! That is excellent news! I did see that and wrote it down but I did not see anything about a brother until now! This completely expands the possibilities that I will look into. You guys and gals on this site are amazing at this stuff I swear!

Sincerely,

J. Bakewell
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: J.Bakewell on Saturday 06 June 09 03:31 BST (UK)
I have marked this information down and I am going to back track and keep looking through the records. Its all out there somewhere... :P

Sincerely,

J. Bakewell
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: J.Bakewell on Saturday 06 June 09 05:02 BST (UK)
Just curious but back in the early 1800's if you had children out of wedlock were you not allowed to have them christened in the church? I may have found some information regarding the late christening of the two boys but I wanted to see everyones thoughts on that

From what I can tell Josiah's parents were William Johnston Bakewell and Sarah Bakewell (Needham). If that is the case then they had nine children and they themselves came to the US and passed away in Geneseo, NY in 1861 and 1857 respectively. Not sure if anyone can confirm or deny this but here is what I came up with

Josiah Bakewell- Born 12 February 1816, Christened 26 December 1825
William Bakewell- Born 6 December 1817, Christened 26 December 1825
Thomas Bakewell- Born 28 October 1812, Christened 15 August 1814
Jane Bakewell- Born 6 August 1814, Christened 15 August 1814
Sarah M. Bakewell- Born 2 November 1821, Died 11 March 1894
Robert Bakewell- Born 4 Novemeber 1826/1827, Christened 25 April 1829
Frederic Bakewell- Born 4 April 1828, Christened 25 April 1829
Frank Bakewell- Born 15 August 1831, Christened 29 September 1831
Fanny Bakewell- Born 28 Novemeber 1829, Christened 29 September 1831

I found the christening dates for the children incredibly interesting! Anyone else find that cool or is just me? I dont know Sarah M.'s Christening date but I will keep looking. Thanks!

Sincerely,

J. Bakewell
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: nickgc on Saturday 06 June 09 05:05 BST (UK)
If William and Sarah as Isles posited are indeed Josiah's parents, then there is at least one more brother found at hughwallis:

William Bakewell
Birth:  06 DEC 1817    
Christening:  26 DEC 1825   Saint Phillips, Birmingham, Warwick, England

Christened at same time as Josiah.

Nick
 
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: J.Bakewell on Saturday 06 June 09 05:07 BST (UK)
Nick im way ahead of you my friend  ;D. I found that they Christened the children in pairs it looks like. I highlighted and bolded the pairs that were done on the same days

Sincerely,

J. Bakewell
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: nickgc on Saturday 06 June 09 05:16 BST (UK)
Sorry,  I composed my last message and then went and did something else for an hour before sending it.  See you already found William b. 1817.  Great job!

If William J. age 65 in Geneseo is indeed their father, he is a clergyman which might shed some light (or not) on these interesting birth vs. christening dates.

Perhaps someone can find William Sr and Sarah coming to US on passenger lists.

Nick
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: J.Bakewell on Saturday 06 June 09 05:20 BST (UK)
Where does it list that he was a clergymen? That would explain a bunch actually! That US passenger list would help immensely. Any information is progress in the right direction

Sincerely,

J. Bakewell
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: J.Bakewell on Saturday 06 June 09 05:30 BST (UK)
I found a document regarding William J. Bakewell and it reads

"...was originally an English Unitarian, then a Low Churchman — has since returned to the Episcopal Church."

Interesting stuff and it lines up with the NY immigration. I was also wondering how/if I could look up my families crest or coat of arms?

Sincerely,

J. Bakewell
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: nickgc on Saturday 06 June 09 05:35 BST (UK)
Again, my apologies.  In the 1860 US census for Geneseo, Livingston, NY, Wm J. Bakewell is shown as a 65 yo clergyman from England living with the William Cushing family...AHA!  Cushing's wife is Fanny age 39 b. England, so probably the youngest daughter you found (age is off).

Nick
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: J.Bakewell on Saturday 06 June 09 05:41 BST (UK)
Nick, you sir have been incredibly helpful! I am still learning the search techniques on how to acquire information and informing me of where you found it is immensely helpful. I dont think I will be able to sleep tonight because ill be thinking about this and that regarding the family, its so interesting

Sincerely,

J. Bakewell
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: nickgc on Saturday 06 June 09 06:01 BST (UK)
Happy to be of some help - many people have helped me over the years.

Just be sure to take everything with a large helping of salt until it is proven.  For instance, there is a good possibility that the William J. Bakewell you found

Quote
"...was originally an English Unitarian, then a Low Churchman — has since returned to the Episcopal Church."
could well be a different person since this appears in a book about "Founding families of Pittsburgh".  Too little info to make a determination as yet.

I've been burned before by uncommon names that were in no way unique.

Nick
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: MonicaL on Saturday 06 June 09 10:44 BST (UK)
Hi All

Still adrift on husband's laptop (all my p/words etc are stuck in cyber land at present :-\)

From my searches yesterday (and you know how working off memory can go horribly wrong as when I had my Shakespeare moment  ::)),  you need to tread with care on potential parents for Josiah - Mary Ann's we are more confident on at the moment until you get confirmation from the MC).

These are the possible sets of parents I came across yesterday:

1. RICHARD BAKEWELL and ISABELLA BURCHELL    
Marriage: 21 NOV 1807 Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwick
   
If you do a parent search on IGI for their children, interesting set of names quite in line with naming of a Josiah.

2. WILLIAM BAKEWELL and SARAH JENNINGS
Marriage: 15 APR 1811 Aston Juxta Birmingham, Warwick, England

I think from the list of children you posted for a William B. and a Sarah, there is a possibility that you are mixing up children for this couple and the one below.

3. WILLIAM JOHNSTON BAKEWELL and SARAH NEEDHAM
Marriage: 02 JAN 1821 St Annes, Liverpool, Lancashire

This is the couple who show as having migrated to the US (from memory - so health warning!) I think I found them in PA in 1850 and William showed as a 'teacher'. This family also has a tree on Ancestry.

4. THOMAS BAKEWELL and SARAH GLOVER
Marriage: 06 MAY 1809 Trentham, Stafford

I include this couple as they show on IGI as having a son Josiah in 1817 in Stone, Stafford.

Monica  :)


Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: J.Bakewell on Saturday 06 June 09 16:12 BST (UK)
I completely agree with you guys and gals! I have no hard facts as of yet but sifting through all of it is pretty exciting, and yes I have taken it with many grains of salt. The hardest part is that the names back then were so common that it is hard to distinguish between who is whom.

I didnt know you had a Shakespeare moment recently  ;). I just wish I knew with any amount of clarity who Josiah's parents were. I will certainly be acquiring that MC as soon as I can but I just want to make sure it has what I need. I shall be placing a call for across the pond quite soon I have a feeling  8)

Sincerely,

J. Bakewell
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: J.Bakewell on Saturday 06 June 09 16:15 BST (UK)
I have a feeling that my grandmother was right and his parents are named William and Sarah but for Sarah's last name I have no evidence and little insight. Looking at what you posted it seems that #2 best fits but lets see what that MC says! Thanks again so much

Sincerely,

J. Bakewell
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: Laurina on Saturday 06 June 09 16:17 BST (UK)
You might find this site interesting

http://www.derbyshireuk.net/bakewell.html

Laurina
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: J.Bakewell on Saturday 06 June 09 16:30 BST (UK)
Wow thank you! I had come across that site a few years ago when I was looking things up for my grandmother and now I think I know where im going to spend my honeymoon  ;D

Sincerely,

J. Bakewell
Title: Re: Bakewell Genealogy Questions
Post by: Cynsilvrmn on Saturday 23 December 17 07:01 GMT (UK)
J. Bakewell.  My husband’s grandmother was Marjorie Bakewell. She died this year at the age of 103.