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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Gloucestershire => Topic started by: maggiefishblue on Monday 08 June 09 08:41 BST (UK)
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Hi All,
I have a John TOMBS who died in 1755 in Turkdean, Glos. - I have a
copy of his will. I have been able to trace his descendents in
Turkdean but I can't get any further back than John - or even find his
birth/baptism.
I have looked at the Turkdean PRs at my local LDS centre but the
earliest TOMB/ES in Turkdean appear to be John and his descendents
which suggests that he wasn't born there. John was married in Turkdean
to Sarah Miller on 12 April 1716 - found on the PRs.
Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I can do now? I have no
idea where he might have been born or where there might be any
siblings for him that would help me.
Maggie
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Maggie,
The parish of Hampnett is only 1.4 miles from Turkdean according to Parloc and although it's submitted, there's a John T. baptism given in the IGI which would appear to be in a suitable time window. The LDS have several films of Hampnett records.
Have a look at Hampnett batches on the H.W. site http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/IGIBatchNumbers/CountyGloucester_(A-M).htm#H you may find something helpful.
Regards
Cjas
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Thanks for that Chas - I hadn't seen those Tombs. I found two John Tombs in Northleach which could 'fit' too - on the IGI - but I don't know how to go about finding whether any of them are 'my' John Tombs, that's my dilemma :)
Maggie
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Maggie,
That's the sort of headache many of us get :'( Mine concerns Spencers at W-U-E and surrounds; they are almost as numerous as Gardeners (et al.) in GLS :-[
If it was my problem I'd search the film of Hampnett parish register in preference to the BT's "just in case" and let's face it, the people at an LDS FHC are very friendly and £2.70 is a lot cheaper than a trip to Gloster R.O. for most people :)
Regards
Chas
P.S. I find Parloc useful when searching LDS films for an area around the target parish.
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Hi,
My Tombs are from Tredington & Elmstone Hardwicke & Forthampton - see Wm Good's website. It's a step from Turkdean, but you never know.
Have you tried alternative spellings? I've found the surname in my line spelt
TOMS, TOMMS, TOOMBS - others could be THOMS, TOMMES, TOMBES
There is a John Tombs mentioned in Forthampton in 1708 (when his daughter Mary was baptised), but can't find a marriage in the Parish.
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Hi gene-genie
I have found Tombs spelt in a variety of different ways as you say .... I sometimes get the impression that Gloucestershire is bursting with them - but not the ones I want ::)
You mention Wm Good's site - I haven't come across that, I don't think, how do I access it?
Maggie
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Hi Maggie,
Sorry, you'll find Wm Goods Transcripts here:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~wrag44/index.htm
The Wm Tombs that appears in Tredington is mine, he appears to have been a parish official.
I've a similar problem re two of the same name two John Newmans - one is Wm Tombs father-in-law and one isn't!
I'll keep a watch out for any John Tombs - how old was he when he died in 1755? I am looking for a Richard and Elizabeth who baptised their son Francis is Forthampton in 1709. (He may be related to the John I mentioned earlier. )
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Thanks for that gene-genie - I had seen that site before ages ago but hadn't realised it had Tombs on it or that it was Wm Good's ::)
I don't know how old John Tombs was when he died - it doesn't say on either his will or on the PRs. I am assuming that he was born c1680-90 because he married in 1716 - but I could be way out there too :-\
I'll keep an eye open for any connections between my Tombs and yours as I go on - if I ever get any further back with them ....
Maggie :)
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I too am interested in Tombs. They certainly were good breeders!
I have William Tombs of Churchdown marrying Elizabeth Posten of Norton, in Norton in 1750.
They seem to have lived in Norton until grandson William married Mary Jenkins in Churchdown in 1816 and stayed around Churchdown, Twigworth, Down Hatherley for many years.
I have the LDS film out at present but it only goes back from 1812 so I have a gap between 1816 and 1837 which I am really interested in.
I was assuming that because Wm in 1750 was "of Churchdown" he would have had other relatives still there but I cannot find any Tombs in Churchdown from 1812 back to 1763. I still have to work my way back from there (am doing it that way as the film is very hard to read and thought that by reading the clearest first I may gradually get accustomed to the writing!).
I suppose that just because the marriage records for 1750 said Wm was of Churchdown does not necessarily mean he was born there?
Hopefully I may have some luck when I recommence searching this week- if my eyesight lasts!
Judi
Australia
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Hi Maggie - I am a direct descendant of John Tombs ... (I'm Henry Edward Tombs Horton). I have a bag which belonged to Mary Tombs Engall (my great grandmother) which contains her family tree back to John. Oddly enough above John's name are notes of forebears with a gap of 405 years unaccounted for!
Let me know if you'd like to see the documents that I have
... I've just dug a little deeper in to the bag... and have found another tree - It does show John Tombs' father... the writing isn't too clear - but it looks like Giles Tombs of Stratton, Glos...here's a link to his will - which makes mention of his son John:
http://strattongloucestershirepasthistory.com/category/introduction/the-separation-of-the-parish/
Mary was v interested in her pedigree... one of her cousins - R C Tombs wrote a few articles which were published in 1909 entitled 'The Tombs' of the Cotswolds'... which I have in my hands!... There is also a lengthy document which claims to give certainty that Giles Tombs of Stratton was the father of John Tombs (who settled in Turkdean & married Sarah Miller in 1716).
John actually died in 1746, he left no will... and it wasn't until 1755 that his eldest son Robert obtained the power to administrate his deceased estate.
...For any of you reading this who are related to the same Tombs family - you might like to google Mary's son - my grandfather - "R T Horton Brooklands"... In his early years, Ronnie Tombs Horton was a notable racing driver...
Henry
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Thank you for that Henry - I haven't looked at the Tombs for a while but was encouraged to take another look after reading your post. It isn't the will of John Tombs that I have it is a copy of the administration documents that you mention, a basic mistake on my part!
I would be interested in seeing the documents that you hold though please.
Maggie
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I have sent a pm with my email address Henry.
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Hi H Horton and Maggie,
I am researching a property in Gloucestershire based in the village of Poulton near Cirencester. I believe the property would have been owned by Tombs family from 1845 and till the 1890s.
I am not sure if these are the same tombs your talking about However I would appreciate any help you information can give me. I have also acquired some information on the Tombs which you might like to see if it turns out we are talking about the same Tombs.
I have tried to send you both a private message however I do not know how to do that.
I would appreciate any help you can give me.
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There were Tomes/Toms/Tombes in Upper Slaughter/Bourton on Water/Sherbourne/Longborough back in 1600. Bartholomew & Giles were popular Toms forenames then.
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Gloucester Journal Saturday 22 August 1857
Cirencester
FEARFUL THUNDERSTORMS - On Thurday and Friday week the country round Cirencester was visited by severe thunderstorms. The storm on Friday afternoon was especially disastrous in its effects, and general damage was done at Driffield, Eastongton, Ashron, POULTON and places adjacents. etc etc
(it continues later on in this long article)
At Poulton the storm was very severe, and during its violence the electric fluid struck a labouring mand down no serious injury. MR TOMBS OF POULTON PLACE, suffered from the storm.
etc.
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Gloucester Journal 1 September 1849
An Advert for
POULTON PLACE, POULTON, WILTS
Six Miles from Cirencester and two miles from Fairford
Extensive SALE OF SHEEP, HORES, PIGS, Implements about One Thousand Tods of WOOL, &c
C. F. MOORE
Has the honour to announce that the Executors of the late John TOMBS, Esq of Poulton Place, have directed him TO SELL BY AUCTION - Upon the Premises, on Thursday the 20th September 1849
The valuable FLOCK of 400 SHEEP, 42 HEAD OF CATTLE, Teams of powerful and sound and active HORSES, superior Breed of Berkshire PIGS, Implements, WOOL, &c.
etc. etc.
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1851 Census, Poulton, WILTSHIRE
POULTON PLACE
TOMBS
Edward - aged 40 - Farmer of 300 ac employed 18 lb- born G Barrington, Berks
Mary - aged 40 - born, Fazeley, Staffs
Saml F F - aged 17, employed at home, born Kemble
Alice - aged 15, born Kemble
John Edward, aged 13 , born Kemble
Agnes - aged 4 - born Maisey Hampton, Glos
Marian L - aged 2 - born Maisey Hampton, Flo
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On the Forest of Dean Website, Marriage Allegations and Marriage Bonds - there are quite a few TOMBS.
This one must be a generation (or two) - of an Edward TOMBS from Great Barrington
28 Sept 1773
Edward TOMBS, over 21, Bachelor, occupation: Groom,
Elizabeth MATTHEWS - aged 20 - residence: Great Barrington
by Licence
etc