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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tyrone => Topic started by: cando on Thursday 11 June 09 12:53 BST (UK)
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According to family information, my gg grandfather John JACK died on 25 Feb 1908 aged 79 years, at Magheracolton, Ardstraw. Amongst the information there is a reference to an obituary and the town of Newtownstewart.
It would be wonderful to obtain a copy of the obituary.
My gt grandfather Robert Nelson JACK had a falling out with his father, after graduating with a medical degree from the University of Edinburgh. He returned to Ireland and refused to work as a missionary so emigrated to Australia. My understanding is that John JACK 'disowned' his three sons who all emigrated from Ireland. None of the five daughters married. I can remembering reading letters written to my grandmother from the youngest daughter, Annie who died in 1956 aged 90.
It would be interesting to see if the sons were mentioned in the obituary.
Most grateful for any help or directives to the archives of the newspaper for the area.
Cheers
Cando in Australia
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could this be the marriage.
Record Type Civil Marriage
Date of Marriage 11 Jun 1845
Groom Name john JACK
Bride Name mary NELSON
Church Ardstraw Presbyterian Church
Parish Ardstraw
Civil District Strabane
County Tyrone
regards mary.
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Not the obituary for John Jack that you are looking for but this may be of interest if you haven't seen it already:
"Letters of Administration of the personal estate of William Jack late of Magheracolton County Tyrone Farmer a Bachelor deceased who died 18 February 1869 at same place were granted at Londonderry to John Jack of Carnkenny (Ardstraw Bridge) in said County Farmer the Brother of said deceased."
www.proni.gov.uk (Will extracts)
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Firstly - thank you Mary for your reply. Yes that is the marriage but I only had the year so the extra information is wonderful. :) The NELSON and JACK names have been used as 2nd given names in our family in Aus.
And also thank you aghadowey for your reply. No I haven't the information for Letter of Admin for Wm JACK and yes he was brother of John JACK my gg grandfather. Wm's date of death is identical to what I have in my records.
I am trying to put 'meat on the bones' of the JACK's in Ardstraw for my 98 year old father who is very interested in his ancestry. It is surprising what he has remembered since I have decided to 'dig a little deeper' into his mother's ancestry. I only wish I could remember the contents of Aunt Annie's letters to my grandmother. I was in my early teens and I don't think I was all that interested :(
Tonight I was given an very old and rather beautiful photo album with many unnamed photos but there are a couple of the JACK family members taken prior to my ggrandfather's emigration, with the photographer's name and address Londonderry. I think many of the photos are what is described as ? 'Cartes de Visite' as the names are quite unfamiliar to me and don't occur anywhere on the family history I have to date. The photos are in excellent condition.
Cheers ....and thank you both.
Cando
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Glad that I did post the Will extract as you didn't already have it- if you go to the PRONI site you'll and search for that one you'll see the amount of the estate and date of the grant as well.
Does your old photograph album have names for the pictures? (lucky you if so!)- might be worth posting a query on the Derry/Londonderry board for some help.
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Thanks aghadowey.
Found the Will on the PRONI site. Many of the JACK photos are named and at the moment I am assuming the females are my gggrandfather's two sisters whom married in Ireland, emigrated in the 1880's to Queensland , Australia and then to New Zealand. Only yesterday I found them, husbands and children on the New Zealand BDM website that only came online earlier this year.
Early days in attempting to find more in Ireland and I will explore all the resources on the board before requesting any further help.
Both my paternal grandparent's had a parent who emigrated from Ireland and both from Co Tyrone so I am hoping that as I learn more about resources it will help me find a little more about the DUNNE family from Dromore. I also received with the photo albums, a summary of the DUNNE family history, albeit it a tad disjointed, written by William Henry DUNNE on "Sunday evening, 29th October 1893 in the Colony of Victoria". Unfortunately as Wm died shortly after with cause of death senility and paralysis I feel I must check all the 'facts' in the summary.
I am really hoping I can find the obituary of John JACK in 1908 in a local newspaper.
Cheers
Cando
Edit to correct spelling.
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My gggrandfather John JACK died on 25 Feb 1908 at Maghercolton, Ardstraw. I have told that his obituary was published in The Tyrone Constitution. I have attempted to find where archived copies are held but to date with no success. Could someone point me in the right direction please?
Many thanks.
Cando
Note: merged with previous topic looking for same information
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Try contacting Omagh Library-
http://www.ni-libraries.net/libraries/omagh-library/
P.S. the townland is Magheracoltan
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Thank you for the link adhadowey ;D. I really only want the obituary for 'completeness'. Information from a distant JACK rellie tells me the obituary made no mention of his sons or grandchildren . None of his five daughters married.
It was a typo with Magheracolton and I am unable to modify to correct it ;D
Cheers :)
Cando
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Death notices in our newspapers usually read like this: Died at his residence, Omagh, on 5 June, John Smith, aged 37 years (often and age is omitted and relatives not mentioned except in the case of small children (will say infant daughter of... or a wife's notice might say wife of or relict of the late...). Soemtimes a place of burial is mentioned but more often it isn't.
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Once again thank you aghadowey. I am hoping that it is an obituary not simply a death notice. I know where he is buried....in the WELSH/JACK vault in the Old Ardstraw [Abbey] graveyard. Photo taken in Aug 2009 The Magheralcolton branch of the JACK family was related, through John's mother, Elizabeth WELSH, to John KNOX the Scottish reformer. Elizabeth's grandfather Andrew WELSH was the Presbyterian minister at Ardstraw from 1733 to 1779. Andrew WELSH died in 1781 and was buried in the family vault in the Old Ardstraw graveyard.
Cheers
Cando
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Hi
Is your Jack family related to Robert Jack of Glenglush, Ardstraw who died in 1788?
Regards
Kerrie
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Hi Kerrie
Do you have the name of his father or spouse or children?
Cheers
Cando
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Hi Cando
I don't know anything about Robert Jack (other than the info on the internet about his parents and siblings going to the USA) except that a relative of mine, Samuel Craig took over his farm in Glenglush when Jack died in 1788. Robert Jack was buried with Craig family members so I wondered if he was somehow related to the family.
Regards
Kerrie
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You can connect these families through the will of Anne Jack (d 1870 Ireland) and the wind up of the estate of Allen Jack (d 1813 Wilkes-Barre, America). Their fathers were siblings; and it is quite possible through the information given in these records to construct a family tree.
As far as I can determine the Jacks arrived in the Ardstraw area around 1712, many of them left for America and records exist of them through generations of people wanting to claim descent from one of the soldiers involved in the various American wars. Funny way of working out Irish family history...
I can't yet prove who Allen and Anne's great-grandfather Jack was, but one of the sons of Patrick Jack and his wife Eleanor Jervis appears likely. Maybe Robert, maybe James (if he had issue from a first marriage), or maybe Andrew.
Lexia
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I have quite a lot of information on my line of the JACK family in Tyrone, New Zealand, USA and Canada and Australia.
I do have a copy of the Will of Anne JACK and .......
370. An act authorizing the executors of ANDREW JACK to sell and convey real estate.
Whereas, ALLEN JACK, late of Wilkesbarre, Luzerne county, died about the year 1813, intestate, unmarried and without issue, seized of real estate in the borough of Wilkesbarre, leaving a father, JOHN JACK, late of Meachey, in the county of Tyrone, Ireland.......
Allen JACK was the son of John JACK 1742-1832 and Olivia RODGERS.
The EDWARDS Papers (PRONI T/25/) claim that John JACKS' parents were William JACK and Agnes GIVEN however as you no doubt know, notes written by Elizabeth LOWTHER nee JACK stated that his parents were John JACK and an Unknown ANDREWS.
Cheers
Cando
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Oh I forgot...welcome to rootschat.
I have sent you a Personal Message.
Cando
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Try looking here.....
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/surnames/jack.html
http://www.cotyroneireland.com/marriages/ardstraw3.html
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Thank you Tony ...quite familiar with that website.
Cando
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Cando, the library in Omagh has both local newspapers in the local history section on microfiche from 1900 onwards. However, if you pay a small fee you can search these on- line. The link is here below
https://www.irishnewsarchive.com
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Many thanks Tony.
Cheers :)
Cando
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You may already have found this on the newspaper archive...?
Tyrone Constitution, 28th Feb 1908:
A well-known resident in this district passed away in the early hours of Tuesday morning last in the person of Mr. John Jack, of Magheracolton. Deceased, who was in his eightieth year, had been ailing for some time, the death of his wife about a month ago having affected him greatly. The late Mr. Jack was a direct descendant of the great John Knox, of Scotland, being grandson of the late Rev. Andrew Walsh, of Ardstraw, who was a great-great-grandson of the Scottish Reformer. The Jack family are one of the most respected in the neighbourhood, and great sympathy is felt for the three surviving daughters. The funeral took place yesterday (Thursday) to Ardstraw graveyard, and was largely attended.
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Gilby....thank you :) This has made my day :) :) The Tyrone Constitution was not listed on the linked website.
So the family story was correct about no mention of his surviving sons in USA and Australia. Of course the reporter may simply not have been aware that John and Mary also had three sons, two of whom were living in 1908. There are errors in the item as John JACK 1829-1908 was the great grandson of the late Reverend Andrew WELSH 1710-1781 of Ardstraw not grandson. Reverend Andrew WELSH was the great-great-great-great grandson of John KNOX 1505-1572 not great-great grandson. A number of generations missed.
Cheers ;D
Cando
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Welsh and Walsh are the same name in Ireland ;)
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Thank you :).
I am so pleased to have the obituary.
Cheers
Cando
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Happy to have helped :)
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Hi Cando,
I know this is an old thread but wondered if you knew anything about the parents of your Mary Nelson? Was her father Robert?
I'm looking for the family of Margaret bc 1819 and Martha bc 1824 Nelson who emigrated to Port Phillip in 1841. Their parents were Robert and Mary Nelson. They were born in Donegal but the passenger list gave their native place as Tyrone, so I looked for locations close to the border. There are several possibilities but Strabane/Ardstraw seemed a good fit.
While searching, I also came across a marriage of a John Jack to Elizabeth Nelson in 1845. Do you know if she was your Mary's sister?
Jan