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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kirkcudbrightshire => Topic started by: darlomac on Friday 19 June 09 18:20 BST (UK)
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Does any one out there know anything about the Landsborugh/Tait families from Urr. I have found a record for a David Landsborough born 1812 and his father is William Landsborough a farmer who married a girl called Helen Grierson. I think that I may be the only surving relative of the Scottish branch of my family. Darlomac
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just joined "roots chat" & came across your searchy for Landsboroughs. I am pleased to tell you that my mother in law ( now sadly deceased) was a Landsborough & my husband's cousin has traced the Landsborough family tree back to about 1100 (you were probably related to Robert the Bruce! --just joking but it is a very interesting tree with relatives in Australia who have quite a large area named after them (or rather him as he too was a William Landsborough. It would be great to hear from you as there is lots to tell you. If you go to Irongray churchyard,which is quite close by if you are in Kirkcudbright( I know it well) there is a grave with "William" & Helen Grierson on it & . all but one of William's children . The one who survived was my husbands ancestor ( & presumably yours) If he had died too neither of you would be here today & I wouldn't be writing this . All of which makes tracing family history so interesting. I noticed it was awhile since you accessed roots web but hope you manage to read this . cheers . dolour
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Wow what a surprise your message is. I never thought I would ever hear from anyone connected to my family. My connection to the Landsborough's comes from my great grandmother who was Janet Tait (she married Hugh Carson in 1873). On her marriage certificate it gives her mother as Janet Tait nee Landsborough (deceased) and one of the witnesses is David Landsborough. I understand that the Tait children were living with him and his sister in Meikle Larg Crocketford in 1851. I hope there is a connection to your family and that I have not got everyone mixed up.
Thanks in advance Darlomac.
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great to hear from you, sorry I haven't replied earlier, we have a little caravan & have been away for a few days (not to Scotland unfortunately)
So ! where do I begin ! I have been looking over the family tree & you & my husband are definitely from the same Landsborough line. I'll begin by telling you about the churchyard memorial at Irongray.It was erected by William Landsborough in Meikle Larg ,parish of Urr in memory of his children. Lillius d 1823 age 21. william d 1823 age 25 Marion d 1824 age4. thomas d 1827 age17 robert d 1828 age28 james d 1830 age22 . also william himself d 1835 age 67 & his wife helen Grierson d 1833 aged 59 .Also his daughter Janet (your relation) who died 30 March 1843 aged 38 years & Mary d 1879 age 79 years. Interesting that Janet is buried with her parents . I can't find a record of her marriage ,I'm afraid as most of the information I have is on the Landsborough side ,as it follows Roberts line as he is my husband's direct ancestor.
However there is a record of a gravestone for Robert Tait (Janet's son) ."In loving memory of Robert Tait died at Crocketford 19 june 1866 aged 27 . He is buried with Ellen Landsburgh, his aunt & Janet's sister who died at Crocketford on October 13 1881 aged 68. So i am presuming that Ellen brought him & presumably his sister Janet up ? ( you gt grandmother). I hope you can follow it so far !
I also have a record of David Landsboroughs death in Crocketford on 13 september 1888 aged 76 . he never married & it would appear he did bring up his nephews & nieces as his death was reported by Agnes Tait . I have run out of space ! so will write again soon. cheers!
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Hello again. Hope you had a very nice break and that the weather was kind to you. As I was growing up my mother told me stories of her Scottish family but when you are young you do not take to much in. My main research start was my grandmothers birth certificate. She was Mary Agnes Carson and her parents were Hugh Carson and Janet Tait who married in the Parish Church of Urr on 17/11/1873. It shows her mother as Janet Tait (deceased) nee Landsborough and it was witnessed by David Landsborough. From the Census records I managed to find David Landsborough in 1851 with several of the Tait children living with him and his sister in Meikle Larg. A lovely lady from the village of Crocketford has just sent me some pictures of Meikle Larg and it does look very rural, although the property is no longer lived in.. I only wish my mother was alive today as she would have been over the moon with all this info. My mother's father William Watson died in 1930 at the age of 70 or 76( depending on who was telling the story) when she was only 11. His date of birth is a mystery I do not think I will ever solve as he was 25 years older than my grandmother and I know she was ashamed of this as it was an arranged marriage. I look forward to the next episode and thank you very much. This info has really cheered me up. DM.
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Excuse me butting in.
There are actually five LANDSBURGH gravestones in Kirkpatrick Irongray kirkyard.
I have photographed the site -- See http://homepages.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dfsgal
There is just the one in nearby Holywood kirkyard.
Note:
Scottish gravestones are Family Memorials and don't necessarly just list those buried there.
It is not uncommon to list names buried elsewhere.
Here are the MIs
Location: Kirkpatrick Irongray Kirkyard, Kirkcudbrightshire
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In Memory of
Robert TAIT, who died at Crocketford 19th June 1866 aged 27 years
Also Ellen LANDSBURGH, ant of the above, who died at Crocketford Oct 13th 1881 aged 68 years
Also Mary TAIT, niece of the above, who died at Crocketford 3rd Sept 1885 aged 26 years
"Deeply regretted"
2.
Erected by William LANDSBROUGH in Meickle Larg, Parish of Urr
In Memory of his children:
Lillias, died the 30th July 1823 aged 21 years
William, died the 4th Aug 1823 aged 25 years
Marion, died the 19th April 1827 aged 17 years
Robert, died the 16th July 1828 aged 28 years
James, died the 22nd March 1830 aged 22 years
Also Helen GRIERSON, spouse to William LANDSBROUGH, who died 14th Septr 1835 aged 67 years
Also Janet LANDSBROUGH, who died 30th March 1843 aged 38 years
Mary, died the 24th April 1879 aged 72 years
3.
In Loving Memory of
John LANDSBURGH, died at Hillhead 20th Novr 1920 aged 64 years
Also his wife Jessie CURRIE, died at Hillhead 19th June 1934 aged 77 years
Robert John, youngest son of the above, died 19th March 1959 aged 65 years
4.
In Loving Memory of
Mary SMITH, beloved wife of William LANDSBURGH, died 17th February 1937 aged 31 years
5.
In Loving Memory of
Robert MAXWELL, beloved husband of Jessie LANDSBURGH, died 17th Oct 1963 aged 77 years
Also Jessie LANDSBURGH, beloved wife of the above, died 30th March 1968 aged 79 years, late of Fernlea, Shawhead
"Forever in our thoughts"
Location: Holywood Churchyard, Dumfriesshire
In Memory of
Mary LANDSBUROUGH, who died the 10th April 1790 aged 1 year
Also Margaret LANDSBUROUGH, who died at Newtonridge the 7th of August 1814 aged 11 months
Also Margaret LANDSBUROUGH, who died in Glenfoot the 12th April 1812 aged 3 years
Also William LANDSBUROUGH, who died in Wellington the 5th March 1824 aged 12 years
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Hi there. Thank you very much for butting in. I am awash with info about my family and cannot thank you enough. Your photos have blown me away as I had no idea that the area's my family lived in are so beautiful. The only time I came to Dumfries was in the 70's with my parents and mum and I spent an afternoon looking round St Michaels churchyard to try and find Gravestones of the Tait's and Carson's to no avail. I now know that a further visit is mote than over due. dm.
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hello again d m, from your "post" it looks as though you have received other info about your family , or at least about the area, which is good news. I have been re-reading all that my husban's cousin discovered, but please bear in mind that this was in 1976! long before internet access to Ancestry. co .uk !
So before I tell you what I know , I can tell you that I went to family search.org last night & found the record for the marriage of William Mclandsborough( they kept changing the spelling,just to confuse future researchers!) & helen Grierson . It was 18/6/1797 at Irongray church.& also on that site was ,a record of baptism for janet Mclandsborough on 20/10/1803 (same place). Was she your
gt gt grandmother?
If you don't already know of that site , it's certainly worth a visit. so to try & prevent you going off at tangent with all the Landsboroughs Mc's & landsburghs, I think you should stick with the William Landsborough line, as he is your direct ancestor ,as he was Janet's father. John & jessie L are my husband direct ancestors, as is Robert Maxwell. So I can't help you with the Taits & Carsons , I'm afraid ,but if you want to go back from William & Helen then I have lots of information there.
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just continuing from earlier, there isn't enough space ! Iwish I could show you the family tree.
according to my husbands cousin's research,which was all foot slogging in those days,Williams parents were Robert & Janet ,but it seems that their surname was Mclamroch.I'm sorry that there doesn't seem to be absoloute proof of this,other
than Gaelic names were Anglicised & simplified(!) after Culloden & MClambroch became Mclamburgh & then Landsburgh & later Landsborough. Some members of the family keeping the MC longer than others. I don't think it was customary to have birth certificates (or a legal requirement in Scotland in the early 18th century. ) so we need to look for Parish records ie baptisms & marriages.Anyway this tree goes back to 1400,but in all honesty I don't know how he discovered the name change from Mclamroch, maybe thats a challenge for you. ? We have a lot more records online these days,but a lot of information can still only be found from parish registers. it would be great if you could visit the area,it's the nicest in the world ( we lived there for 10 years, but thats another story!
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I'm butting in again
(Space isn't a problem here -- just keep typing or type your text in a word processor file and cut and paste it here.)
Just returned home from a morning voluntary duty in D&GFHS Research Centre in Dumfries.
Still not too busy at this time of year, so I had a look for Landsburgh and variations in the rest of Dumfries and Galloway -- found this very old McLandburgh burial in Stoneykirk graveyard in Wigtownshire. Apart from the MIs I provided already for Kirkpatrick Irongray etc. there doesn't appear to be any more in our DGFHS archive. Hope these have been of some use.
(NB: It is quite common in Wigtownshire to drop the Mc from surnames when recording BDMs. Also note that there is a Stranraer and a Perthshire connection recorded in this MI.)
Location Stoneykirk Wigtownshire
Source: Survey published by Dumfries & Galloway Family History Society in 2001
(See www.dgfhs.org.uk)
Erected by Robert WILSON
In Memory of
John WILSON in Auchenclay, who died 16th Decr 1742 aged 74 years
& Jean McQUISTON his spouse, who died March the 18th 1740 aged 68 years
And Jannet WALLACE, spouse to Robert McLANDBURGH, who died Decr 30th 1768 aged 95 years & Margaret WILSON, spouse to Alexr. McFREDERICK, who died June 9th 1768 aged 24 years & Grizle WILSON, who died July 13th 1768 aged 20 years
Also Alexr. WILSON, who died in Stranr. Febr 27th 1777 aged 75 years
And Margaret LANDBURGH his spouse, who died March 14th 1794 aged 86 years
Also the said Robert WILSON, son to the above Alexr. WILSON & Margaret LANDBURGH, who died in Stran[----] June 21 180[3] aged 7[3] years
[Reverse of stone]
Also William WILSON, son to Alexr. WILSON & Margaret LANDBURGH, who died at Dunning, Perthshire, Janr 1760 aged 24 years
Extent of burying ground is 3 graves breadth on the south side of the stone with 6 more to the north along the front of the stone the east the same breadth of graves on the back side of the stone to the west
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Hello again. How lucky am I, from having no info I now have lots thanks to you. I would love to see the family tree. What a joy that must have been to research and really hard work. A chap has sent me a link to photos of the church at Iron gray and it looks so beautiful. The Taits and Carsons will take me years to research and that will keep me going when I retire. (that cannot come to soon as I will then have time to visit Dumfries.). I did know about the family search site but have not had a lot if time to go into it. Thank you for confirming what I thought about the "mc" being dropped from the surname. This will now help me researching another part of the family the McConchie's and Conchie's. Hope to hear more from you soon. dm.
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Hi Thanks very much for more Landsborough info. It must be so good to work at the family research centre in Dumfries. My grandmother Mary Agnes Carson lived at 33 Wallace Street Dumfries with her mother Janet Carson and brother Hugh Carson in 1901. Can you tell me anything about Wallace Street please. dm
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[quote ] My grandmother Mary Agnes Carson lived at 33 Wallace Street Dumfries with her mother Janet Carson and brother Hugh Carson in 1901. Can you tell me anything about Wallace Street please. dm
Hi dm,
Not much I can say about Wallace Street. It is short residential street of traditional red sandstone buildings in a quiet street lying parallel to St Michaels Street which is a busy through road. Try Googling "Dumfries, Wallace Street" without quotes and you will get a map, try images and you will see some typical buildings.
Earlier you wrote:
<<The only time I came to Dumfries was in the 70's with my parents and mum and I spent an afternoon looking round St Michaels churchyard to try and find Gravestones of the Tait's and Carson's to no avail.>>
You should have tried the High Cemetry -- is this what you were looking for?
Location: Dumfries (High Cemetery), Dumfriesshire
In Loving Memory of
Hugh CARSON, mason, who died at 20 David St., Maxwelltown, 19th July 1886 aged 37 years
And Janet TAIT his wife, who died at Brighton 18th Sept 1905 aged 62 years, and is interred here
Also Janet their daughter, who died in infancy
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hello again,
had a busy week so sorry I haven't replied earlier. I have been trying to take photos of the family tree ,but I'm afraid the print is so small that they are far too blurry & even worse if you try to magnify them. I will keep trying.
Meanwhile I have re-read the accompanying booklet(140 pages) & to be honest a lot of it seems to have a pretty tenuous link to William L on our branch. However it is interesting & whilst I can't copy it all , I'll try & give you the salient bits . If you want to discover more about W L in Australia you can find that on the www.( just google him).
There as alot of research of the info in the booklet, records of land titles(sasines) ,but there also seems to be quite a bit of guess work. Since doing my own family tree I know that you need to have correct sources. After W L , born in 1768, there is pretty definite proof, but the parish records for 1768 stop in April & williams birth is not recorded.My husbands cousin seems to have depended on naming customs to "prove" his parentage. This may well be correct, but I don't think it's acceptable as proof!
I'm sorry to be the bearer of bad news on this score, maybe there is more info out there now? have you tried "Scotlands people "on the net? I'll try again to photo the parish records of which there are many in the book, but a lot that really don't concern your particular branch. As I said before ,it's so easy to go off at tangents with different branches, but if you want to know about the parish records ,I'm quite happy to write it out bit by bit. I would suggest for your research,if you're looking right now,to stick with "irongray"Kirkpatrick Irongray" Urr ,possibly "Balmacllellan & Dalry. + the churchyard memorials for these areas. They are in the booklet ,so if you can't find anything elsewhere i'll write them out for you. "johnner kid"is obviously helping a lot too, ( & is better at photos than I am !). It's great that he has access to Dumfries records ,so hopefully between us all we can arrive at the truth for the Landsboroughs!. I'm still positive that you share the same 'line' as my husband though,so howdy cousin !!!! Good luck with the Tait ,Carson side too. I'll keep in touch
dolour!
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hi once more,
After I wrote earlier I decided to have a quick look at William L in Australia, there is loads on the net. More interesting than that though
is that there was a link to another genealogy site called We Relate, have you heard of it ?.It has info on the Landsboroughs which does seem to support the stuff I have( I'll have to study it more carefully when I have more time )
However, quite exciting from your point of view there is info on the Taits,which I feel sure must be your relations, & also the Carsons ,but I couldn't find Hugh.
So to go to the site just google WeRelate & then put the surname in the right hand box .I do hope you get some new info from it, it cerrtainly looks promising. please excuse my typing errors, ( I'm hopeless).
dolour
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Hi again
Sorry it's taken me a while to reply to you but my lovely 87 year old father in law died two weeks ago and we have just held his funeral. I haven't heard of "werelate" but intend to give it a go. Once again thanks for info on the Landsboroughs and hello cousin. You have no idea how good that feels to say it. When I started the search for my mother's family I did not think that I would have any luck at all but you have blown all my ideas out of the water. The one thing my mother was very sure of was that the family were very well to do and very well conected but her own mother would not give much away. But considering that she had an operation to remove a brain tumour in the early 1920's I now think is was more likely that she had very little recollection. I will continue to search for the Taits and Carsons as well as my lovely Landsborough's and I have now got a lot of info from Scotlands people. I'm now awaiting the arrival of my greatgrand mothers death certificate as this will help in the search for my search in the Brighton area. Will talk to you soon. dm
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Am I reading your message correctly?
Did you order the ACTUAL Certificate from Scotlandspeople?
If so that is unnecessarily expensive -- except when you need a certified document for legal purposes. You can download a graphic image of the certificate for about one UK pound.
Sy
OOPS! Yes I did read your message wrongly! I now see you ordered the English Certificate -- they do not offer the same service as is available from Scotlandspeople.
Sy
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:) Hello to Dolour and Johnner Kid. I'm now back on the research trail after the trauma of the last few weeks. I now have my great grand mother's death certificate and she was staying with her son Robert Gibson in Brighton. I have found him on the early Scottish Cenus forms with the family being shown as a nephew and a boarder but no mention of him a the son of Janet Carson (nee Tait). He was born 1867/68 in Urr. How would she have registered his birth. I'm thinking that she gave him his father's surname but I cannot find him on Scotlands people.
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Samuel McLandsburgh m Mary Gledrie b abt 1771
Issue - all b Urr:
William 1795
Andrew 1797
John 1798
Janet 1800
Mary 1803 m James Ireland - 3 children
Euphemia 1805 poss m James Lowrie - 6 children
Hannah 1806 m John Fraser - 3 children
Agnes Kissock 1810
Mary Gledrie died bef 1815 when Samuel McLandsborough m Urr Agnes Garmory
Issue:
Samuel 1816 Dalbeattie KKD
Isabella 1819 Liverpool LAN, m William Dunn
Marion 1819 Liverpool LAN, m James Gledrie
Any info appreciated.
Pat
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"This will now help me researching another part of the family the McConchie's and Conchie's. Hope to hear more from you soon. dm. Hi I thought this may be of interest in the future " Marriage of Samuel Coupland to Elisabeth Conchar 19 June 1781 in the parish of Buittle. She was my 5th Great Grandmother, there are spelling variations (Conchie and also putting Mc and dropping Mc seems to happen all the time ) born on 10 april 1755 in Little Clarebrand Crossmichael, Kirkcudbright to
James Conchar and Mary Thomson .If you disconver this links up let me know I have down loaded copy's of the parish records from SP .here is the link to my tree on Ancestry. http://trees.ancestry.co.uk/tree/4665074/person/590994003/fact/10307652514/media/1?pg=32771&pgpl=pid%7caid
Good hunting Angus
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Thank you to the new friends leaving messages for me. I haven't been using the site very much recently as we have lost more of our lovely family. My e-mail was also hacked and a not nice message was sent to friends asking for money -a thing that anyone who knows me well would know that it is something I would never do and to be honest I was very embarrassed by it. Anyway Delour is the best person to ask about the Landsboroughs as she has far more knowledge of them than I do. The Conchies McConchies are a branch of the family that I am trying to crack. Margaret Mc Conchie or Conchie is my relative and when I'm able I will look at the link in ancestry. Good luck and thanks to everyone for helping me. dm
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Hi sorry to hear of your recent losses . I had my em hacked early last year and they also sent begging letters to all of my contacts >:(.I changed all of my passwords and it stopped good luck with the hunting
Angus
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Hello Angus
Being hacked is awful isn't it. I'm really lucky that my daughter is an ITC graduate and she changed everything for me. As soon as I can I will post as much info as I have on the McConchies/ Conchies. However the Lady attached to my family is Margaret Conchie who married William Carson. They lived in William St Dalbeattie and are my great grandparents.
Hope this helps DM.
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Hi glad to hear you got it sorted .My mother and grandmother (Elisabeth McCoskry )were born in william street and my great grandparents ( John and Mary Ann McCoskry )lived there most of their lives.I was baptized in the Manse there. My great aunt May McCoskry lived there most of her life .
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Hi It's me again. What a small world. My great grand parents are Hugh Carson and Janet Tait. They were married on 21/11/1873 and lived in Church Crescent Dumfires. Hugh's parents were William Carson and Margaret McConchie/Conchie. William died 05/05/1868 and was living in William Street at his death. His wife Margaret died 08/07/1888 in Maxwelltown. Her parents appear to be Johnstone Conchie and Elizabeth Conchie nee Skene. As far as I am aware Margaret and William had quite a few children but I've not confirmed that yet. My research is taking a long time as I live in England and still work. Roll on retirement. Maur.
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Hi my Great grandfather (John McCoskry) was born in 1872 in Rhonehouse his wife Mary Ann Rigg McGinn was born 12 feb 1877 in William st ,my grand uncle Robert worked as a porter on the railway station in Dumfries and lived in Brownrigg cottage and Rashgill cottage Georgetown Rd. Good hunting and if I turn anything up that I think may interest you I will pass it on .I know reseaching can be very time consuming and difficult, its also very interesting and rewarding .I live in Cheshire but try to get up to Dalbeattie and the surrounding area once or twice a year and spend most of that time walking through graveyards ;) my wife says she's never visited so many dead people .
Cheers Angus
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"This will now help me researching another part of the family the McConchie's and Conchie's. Hope to hear more from you soon. dm. Hi I thought this may be of interest in the future " Marriage of Samuel Coupland to Elisabeth Conchar 19 June 1781 in the parish of Buittle. She was my 5th Great Grandmother, there are spelling variations (Conchie and also putting Mc and dropping Mc seems to happen all the time ) born on 10 april 1755 in Little Clarebrand Crossmichael, Kirkcudbright to
James Conchar and Mary Thomson .If you disconver this links up let me know I have down loaded copy's of the parish records from SP .here is the link to my tree on Ancestry.
Good hunting Angus
Hello I hope I'm doing this OK.
I am researching Johnson McConchie born 1778 of Kirkdale/Kirkmabreck Son of John McConchie & Margaret Halliday. Johnson sister Marion and my George Skene were spouses and lived in Rhonehouse.
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Hi It's me again. What a small world. My great grand parents are Hugh Carson and Janet Tait. They were married on 21/11/1873 and lived in Church Crescent Dumfires. Hugh's parents were William Carson and Margaret McConchie/Conchie. William died 05/05/1868 and was living in William Street at his death. His wife Margaret died 08/07/1888 in Maxwelltown. Her parents appear to be Johnstone Conchie and Elizabeth Conchie nee Skene. As far as I am aware Margaret and William had quite a few children but I've not confirmed that yet. My research is taking a long time as I live in England and still work. Roll on retirement. Maur.
Hello
I am researching Johnson McConchie born 1779 son of John McConchie & Margaret Halliday of Kirkdale/Kirkmabreck. It seems Johnson sister Marion McConchie married George Skene and they lived in Rhonehouse where Marion died in 1858. Do you think there is a connection
Cheers Marg
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Samuel McLandsburgh m Mary Gledrie b abt 1771
Issue - all b Urr:
William 1795
Andrew 1797, to YKS, m 1817 Alice Hustwaite - 7 children
John 1798
Janet 1800
Mary 1803 m James Ireland - 3 children
Euphemia 1805 poss m James Lowrie - 6 children
Hannah 1806 m John Fraser - 3 children
Agnes Kissock 1810
Mary Gledrie died bef 1815 when Samuel McLandsborough m Urr Agnes Garmory
Issue:
Samuel 1816 Dalbeattie KKD
Isabella 1819 Liverpool LAN, m William Dunn
Marion 1819 Liverpool LAN, m James Gledrie
Any info appreciated.
Pat
Hello Pat
I have info on the IRELAND family connect to Landsboroughs.
Hope to hear from you. Marg
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Samuel McLandsburgh m Mary Gledrie b abt 1771
Issue - all b Urr:
William 1795
Andrew 1797, to YKS, m 1817 Alice Hustwaite - 7 children
John 1798
Janet 1800
Mary 1803 m James Ireland - 3 children
Euphemia 1805 poss m James Lowrie - 6 children
Hannah 1806 m John Fraser - 3 children
Agnes Kissock 1810
Mary Gledrie died bef 1815 when Samuel McLandsborough m Urr Agnes Garmory
Issue:
Samuel 1816 Dalbeattie KKD
Isabella 1819 Liverpool LAN, m William Dunn
Marion 1819 Liverpool LAN, m James Gledrie
Any info appreciated.
Pat
Hello Pat
I have info on the IRELAND family connect to Landsboroughs.
Hope to hear from you. Marg
Do tell!