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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Kirkcudbrightshire => Topic started by: cmg414 on Saturday 20 June 09 17:23 BST (UK)
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Hi,
I am researching a Gibson family from Tarbolton, Ayrshire and I wondered if anyone can help me in trying to find Thomas Imrie who was the father of George James Imrie born abt 1807. I know that George died on 15 sep 1875 in Crossmichael and that he was married to Janet Bell from Cummertrees. George's daughter Rachel Imrie married James Gibson and his granddaughter Janet Imrie married their son James.
cmg414
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birth cummertrees rachel daughter of george imrie and janet bell 14th june 1830 csc
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marriage tarbolton james gibson and rachel imrie both in this parish gave in their names for proclamation of banns in order to marriage 21st june 1851 and were married 4th july following by david looks like ritchie minister of tarbolton csc
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Have looked at Dumfries and Kirkcudbright as suggested. Really good info. I have managed to trace the Imrie connection from my grandfather Thomas Imrie Gibson back to George Imrie and Janet Bell via Rachel and James and Janet and James. I have Janets parents as Janet Hethrington and George Bell but the only thing I have for George James is that his father was Thomas Imrie, Nurseryman which I obtained from George's death record. There was no mention of George's mother on the record. Any suggestion on how I can find Thomas and whoever was george's mother??
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it says on the census,s he is born thornhill on one dunscore on another and islington dumfriesshie which i have never heard of there are a lot of imries here the connection between him and janet has to be timber her dad george is a joiner/millwright brother charles and richard joiner sawyer millwright also benjamin is a millwright george imrie is a timber merchant in the 1841 census he is called george imrie jnr this family have a habit of adding names that are not on their birth papers there are also imries in kirkmichael mother is called margaret mcvitie i think we should have another look at the childrens names one of them would surely be named after his mum rachel is janets grannys name janets sisters are rachel ellen mary brothers benjamin george charles and richard so that leaves the rest of the names george imrie has ended up a wealthy man we have downloaded his will i think these imries nurserymen in ayrshire will be related they also have american connections if you look at another entry i have for janet kerr/john wilson she is janet imries neice my ggg granny mary kerrs sister she also knows the dixon/dicksons i have been looking for they are the brothers of her sistermarys mother in law we are now finding more and more in kirkcudbrightshire they were also in carlisle for a while george was born there and then reg in urr will keep adding csc
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Hi Christine,
I think that you are correct about the wood/timber connection as in the direct line from George James the occupation of timber/wood merchant keeps occurring, George Bell and relations involved with wood and the Gibson men mainly joiners etc . Also the american connection looks good because George's son Benjamin, born in Tarbolton then moved to Springfield Crossmichael, who was an architect/land surveyor married agnes wilkie in Ontario Canada 7 aug 1890, they lived in Castle Douglas 2 children being born there. It looks as if Benjamin was only in Canada a short time and may have been visiting relatives(???). I have not been able to find the imrie nurserymen/seedsmen in ayrshire yet but will keep looking as that looks like a good suggestion. Re the suggestion on george's mother's name you could be right and in addition to Rachel, Mary Ann and Janet he had another 2 daughters Margaret and Agnes Jane.
Colin
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Just to let you know that I have found some imrie seed merchants in ayrshire. Charles b 22 dec 1814 and Thomas b 27 oct 1816 both in ayr both nurserymen and seed merchants father Thomas imrie who may have been b 1784 at kirkmichael dumries, son of charles imrie and janet russel. this last part not yet completely sure of yet. Charles and Thomas also had a brother john b 1813 in ayr.
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janets 2 sisters well documented on internet ellen bell/smith rachel bell /mclean lambton county ontario christeen
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15th june 1806 janet daughter to geo bell annd janet hetherton stonebriggs baptized 15th june rachel natural daughter to george ball and janet hetherton baptized 3rd march 1799 in footmansbridge benjamin sonof george bell and janet hetherington stonebriggs baptized 1st july 1804 charles son to george bell and janet hetheriinton in flosh born ooctober 21st 1818 george son to george bell and janet hetherinton in flosh born born july 3rd 1813 we have never found ellens or marys birth i wll come to richard later as his is different there are possibly more the records are quite bad christeen
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1815 ritchard son to george bell and anna heitherinton in larthat born october 2nd 1815 richard and janet are a close brother and sister he married agnes henderson in ayr 10/7 1840 he is a sawyer christeen
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I really appreciate all this information. Janet and george seem to have maintained a really close family. census 1871,apart from them, there were 12 family members staying at Springfield,Crossmichael including 4 grandchildren and a brother-in-law,Richard Bell. This Richard is age 55 born in Antowell Dumfries, occupation late Hotel Keeper. In 1861 Janet and George were living in Tarbolton ayrshire and had a visitor Edward Davidson born abt 1835 in Ruthwell Dumfries. There is always the chance that he is also connected by family.
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this is our edward son of our mary kerr before she married francis janets nephew he died 1861 at her house he is buried cummertrees with his fathers davidson family if you look at my janet kerr she has named 1 of her children after him he is her half brother this is richard her brother at her house after his wifes death he ended up committing suicide by cutting his own throat at kells new galloway janet kerr and her aunt janet imrie have been very caring women taking care of everybody christeen
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death cummertrees may 4th 1860 george bell millwright widower charlesfield 83 years father benjamim bell agricultural labourer rachel bell maiden name mcgowan dec.decay of nature churchyard of cummertrees richard bell son present janet has to have died between 1818 and 1841 george is at larthat with son charles in 1841 i have been to cummertrees looking for this grave did not find but there is a hetherton grave there i was wondering about christeen
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do you know if rachel has any middle names on her death cert or what her childrens full names are some will likely be from her side and some from her husbands have found a few imries but not exactly what we are looking for christeen
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Rachel had no middle name. Died 18 May 1899 Failford,Tarbolton. Children all surname gibson William Davidson b1/3/1851,Alexander b10/2/1853,George James b abt 1856,Janet Bell b2/4/1858,James b25/6/1860, Margaret b30/12/1862, Thomas Imrie b17/9/1865,Mary Ann b21/9/1867, Agnes Jane b8/4/1870, Rachel H b1874 (believe the H to be Helen but will try and confirm soonest).
William's middle name is interesting after you mentioning the connection that Edward Davidson (the visitor)has to the family. James b1860 married Janet daughter of Rachel's sister Mary Ann Imrie 30/12/1887.
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i think that william davidson will be janets uncle william davidson a very rich man i have a lot of stuff on janets details about him i have downloaded his will over 800 pounds in 1848 house was in neptune cottage kirkcudbright master of several ships travelling to nova scotia he was married to margaret bell janets aunt i have quite a lot about him christeen
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Rachel H b1874 should read Rachel Ellen Gibson b1872 Tarbolton Ayrshire.
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janets sister was ellen bell/smith died in ontario christeen
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if you type into google ancestors of robert steven smith you will be quite interested christeen
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googled as suggested and very interesting. This is a very close family where location doesnt seem to change that. Janet's son Benjamin's middle name was Bell and he married in Fergus, Ontario. Thomas imrie b 27/10/1816 seedsman in ayr died 13/1/1862 Ayr death cert gives parents Thomas Imrie/Catherine McKissock. Thomas and Catherine had at least 3 other children Eliza b 18/nov/1811,John b3/6/1813 and Charles b22/12/1814 also seedsman,all b in Ayr. tried to find marriage of thomas and catherine going back to 1795 but no joy. have not been able to connect the thomas b1784 in Kirkmichael, there may be none.
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from the mckissock family tree katherine mckissock born 1783 colmonel married thomas imrie 1807 gorbals children janet 1809 barony eliza 1811 who married william stewart it says gearholm ayr john jennings 1813 died in queensland charles 1814 served in india marries elizabeth cochrane thomas 1816 4 children thomas charles andrew and jennie who married j templeton james alfred 1872 eliza may 1875 charlotte jean bruce csc
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death 16th june 1859 ayr imrie catherine widow of a nursery and seedsman 85 years father john mckissock farmer dec. mother catherine mckissock/carruth dec witness william stewart son in law gearholm william stewart is a proprietor of houses gearholm is stii on the map abercrombie drive south ayrshire csc
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This Kathrine McKissock looks like the one born 6/12/1774 in Girvan. Father John mother Kathrine Carith. Girvan closer to Ayr and Tarbolton that Colmonell.
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on thomas imries death entry in 1849 his age is 61 on catherines death cert 1859 it says she is 85 on the 1841 census it says they are both 50 it says thomas50 caroline who i presume is catherine 50 charles 25 thomas20 eliza h 20 jeferie walker 12 agnes kean20 fs csc
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looking at the names of thomas/catherines children janet and charles if he is the sone of charles and janet russell that would be right john is her fathers name eliza is also in our georges family maybe just coincidence csc
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type into google everard bell imrie canada csc
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Hi,
I apologise that I don't have any information regarding your initial post, I do, however, have an interest in the Gilboy/Gilbey/Gargan in Leeds, York and Ashton Under Lyne and am curious as to your connection?
Many thanks
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hi,
i have a couple of photographs,the largest(15x11inch)has over 100 people all in their sunday best, lined up for the photographer outside a building with a large sign above an ornate entrance,the sign reads thos imrie &sons.seed store.
the smaller photo(8x6inch)has two women and fifteen men,some of whom are obviously related,and are also in the larger one,there is a date written on the back of the small one of 1880,large one has the name of photographer as..fergus,greenock
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thanks thomas imrie nurseryman/seedsman is listed on my george imries death certificate as being his father no mother there so i think george was born to another woman and thomas imrie before he married katherine mckissock our george was also a very successful business man it would be very interesting to see your photo i will send my e mail to you on a personal message thanks csc