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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Wiltshire => Topic started by: Gerry Cullen on Monday 29 June 09 08:04 BST (UK)
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Hi, my name is Gerry Cullen and I have a large website www.bayntun-history.com online which deals with the history of the Bayntun family from 1100's to present day. I have been working on this project now for 10 years and have had some help in the early stages of my research from a wonderful lady in Wiltshire who used to scan a lot of old books and help me with various references and passages. Unfortunately she is no longer available or interested and I have now discovered that the answers to most of my missing info or unaccounted info lies in the records office at Kew and Trowbridge. My main problem is that I live in Australia and find it difficult to research from afar. I did visit the Record Offices in Trowbridge 3 years ago but was not prepared and have since found hundreds of references to various documents at Kew that hold all the answers. I am looking for someone to come onboard and help me, preferably someone who would be able to visit one or other of these offices and able to feed off references I give them or indeed if they are able to source the info themselves. Of course research is not as interesting unless you are also interested in the family. I therefore ask those who are indeed curious to have a look at my web page and if it sparks any interest then there may be a desire to be part of my project. I'd like to point out that I would just love to be there in England myself to do this and indeed would spend ever spare minute of my free time doing what I am asking others to do, but my famiily commitments are here in Australia and my mind and heart are in Wiltshire. I can't employ professional researchers as there are just too many references to get through, it would no be financially viable, however I would not expect any other person to do so for free. I am happy to contribute in some way towards their time. I would of course acknowledge any help I get on my webpage and would love to hear from anyone who may have a little time on their hands or preferably from someone who is at a loose end at the moment and willing to become part of my team in the hope that I can add to my research. The webpage is there for everyone to take from should they find any passages or photos of interest to their research. I am most anxious to get the correct info on all of the family and indeed documents held in Records Offices are authentic and therefore the best source for research. I am pleading to anyone who may be able to help me and look forward to any replies.
https://web.archive.org/web/20110306175147/http://www.bayntun-history.com/Home.htm
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Unfortunately I am unable to offer my help in this but I should like to commend you on such an excellent website - it is a fascinating history of this family, family connections and the wider historical context in which they lived. I was hooked for some time as I followed up each connection!
Good luck with your search for assistance. Wexdor.
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Hello Gerry hope Im not too late to offer my help. Firstly i've been looking at your site for sometime now and it's wonderful i'm thinking you must be related or close to someone who perhaps is. I live near to London (ish) so dont see why I cant go to Kew i've been meaning to go for some time now. Trowbridge is a little far but if I cant find enough information on the Benton side of the family to the family in Wiltshire then I might make a special journey.
Recently Ive been researching my families on both sides (Grandmother was a Benton) my mother never knew her mother sadly and was never told about her mothers side so we both started this year mainly using ancestry.com. We've been lucky with the Bentons because many have put together trees and along the line with many of the users trees go back to a John Benton born around 1480- 1490 supposedly being one of Sir John Baynton's sons. I'm most curious as to where people have found this information because A the name changed so suddenly and B apparently John appears to have presumably died before his fathers death in 1515 or if not was not included in the will. John Benton was born in Epping in Essex not Wiltshire so it's all most confusing. I've found a few very interesting parish documents for a will made by John before he died in 1550 in Epping so Im intrigued as to what he left and what he was about in his life time. If you can help me with any information on John and what happened to him Id be grateful. One member on ancestry.com has said that John Benton may not be Sir John Baynton/Bayntuns son so it would be great to clear this up for us all.
I look forward to hearing from you
Rebecca
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Did anyone find out if John Benton of Essex was related to Bayntons of Wiltshire?
Thanks
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We too are trying to find a link between John Benton b1485 Epping and the Bayntuns of Wiltshire. Have you had any success yet? We would love to know as so far we have drawn a blank. Thanks
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The Baynton website is so uselful and well laid out. However my (admittedluy clumsy!) work through Ancestry has uncovered a bloodline through Sir Edward Bayntun Rolt and up through Bayntuns to Lucy Danvers. Through her up through Elizabeth Neville and up thorugh other Nevilles to John of Gaunt and thus to Edward 3rd. As you have not found this I assume I am wrong!
My ancester is Mary Bayntun 1838 -1932. and I would welcome comments from others
I cannot help with Wiltshire or London research at the moment.
M.H.Love
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My ancestor Edwin Sandys (1774-1848) of Miserden Park and Chadlington Hall took the additional name Bayntun 9 May 1807 in compliance with the will of William Bayntun esq. of Gray's Inn who had died in February 1785.
Edwin was created a baronet in September 1809: history doesn't relate what the title cost him, but there were no more baronets in that line because his two sons died before him.
Say if you want more detail.
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Hi M Love
regarding you tracing of the NEVILLE back to John of Gaunt etc I came to the same conclusion. This is just working from stuff online such as Burkes Peerage and some of those Peerages were fictional. Probably OK with that level of Nobles though. As Gerry CULLEN had quite enough to do with just the BAYNTON family he would not have wanted to follow up evert other ancestral line.
Same as when MacNAMARA did his Memorials of the DANVERS Family which you may have come across. It is available online.
Re Miserden - in 2005, after a stroll there, I wrote to Gerry -
"In the church I noticed a plaque to The Reverend Sir Edwin Windsor Baynton
Sandys Knt, formerly fellow of St Peter's Coll., Cambridge (eldest son of
Sir Edwin Baynton Sandys Bart) who departed this life Dec 21 1838 aged 37
years.
Any relation to your Bayntons?
From the list of the patrons the Sandys family seem to have been of
importance in the area from 1636 to 1790. Checking the guide book I see it
says Misarden Park is the mansion built in 1620 by Sir William Sandys. "
Gerry replied that he had not come across the SANDYS people.
I've not had any contact with Gerry since 2007.
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Miserden Park was purchased circa 1608 by Sir William Sandys of Fladbury, Worcs.
I don't know why it took him a dozen years to build the mansion there.
He is buried at St Andrew, Miserden, with an effigy in the church.
Sir Edwin Bayntun-Sandys, Bt, was six generations later, but not all the intervening generations lived at Miserden. Presumably the senior line did, but at some stage had no male heirs and so it was left to Edwin. No idea how he inherited the name Bayntun; I can only suppose that a Miss Sandys married a Bayntun at some point and that line also produced no male heir. Sir Edwin too had no sons who survived him (besides Edwin junior there was a son who died in infancy). He had half a dozen daughters, three of whom died in childhood or in their early twenties.
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Looking at the size of the mansion in some photos I took back then I'm surprised they only took 12 years to build it.
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Anyone have contact with Gerry Cullen recently? The website appears to have been taken over and offered for sale (rather a niche identity tho!). I have taken a copy of it from the Wayback engine to ensure it isn't lost but I would be keen to re-establish it somewhere accessible with massive acknowledgement of Gerry's work.
I am interested in the Rolt side, I believe I am descended from Anne Bayntun / Edward Rolt through illegitimate descent - a long story but interesting (via transportation, escape, mutiny etc)!
Curiously, my GG Grandfather Sir John Rolt (1804-1871) bought Miserden estate, possibly to re-assert a link to the Bayntun / Rolt family. He probably could not have known of his lineage but would obviously have been aware of them.
I'm happy to share what I know / suspect with anyone else with those family links. Incidentally, in response to the question of how far back the Bayntun connections go, the website shows lineage back through various kings (Edward III and predecessors) back to Alfred the Great (from whom I reckon I inherited an ability to burn the cooking ;).
Regards, John Rolt (London)
Rolt / Ihlee / Snow / Burnie (Ayrshire) / Kennedy (Ayrshire) / Hessenberg / Strachan / Howman/ Chieveley / Knightley / Hiorns / Bayntun / Wilmot / Rochester .. etc
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Dear John,
I have a quite a bit of information on the Bayntuns (being descended from Thomas Rolt, the eldest son Edward Rolt and Anne Bayntun).
I am intrigued that you say you might be descended from Edward through an illegitimate child. (I know that his son, the aforementioned Thomas had illegitimate children - but none them bore the name Rolt).
You also mention that Sir John Rolt bought bought the Miserden estate to "re-assert a link to the Bayntun / Rolt family". I unsure if this is so as neither the Bayntuns nor the Rolts owned property in Misserden - at least so far as I know. You may have found out otherwise...
As for Gerry Cullen's website it is shame that it has been taken down. However, much of the genealogical information should be treated with caution. This is especially true of the earliest Bayntun generations. A much more accurate pedigree is found in W.G. Davis, The ancestry of Abel Lunt, 1769-1806, of Newbury, Massachusett (Anthoensen Press, 1963). Part of this pedigree can be found on this webiste which does a good job laying out some of earliest Bayntun generations: https://sites.google.com/site/cochoit/family-articles/baynton.
I hope this helps,
F A C Rolt
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Hello,
It looks like the Bayntun History Page is in danger of being hosted as a web page. I would be happy to help if I can keep it active. I found it to be so interesting and it was fascinating to see details and quotes from my ancestors. I hope to hear a replay and know if I can support in any way. Thank you for your time!
Jackie
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Hi, Gerry Cullen here. I removed the webpage from the internet, not because of lack of interest, but because the very early generations are not correct. There exists a pedigree of the Bayntun/Baynton family which goes back to the ancient Kings of Denmark. This pedigree, old portraits and many documents are in a private collection in New Zealand and belong to the Starky family, the most recent and last direct descendant having passed away only a few short years ago. His family are not contactable and in view of the amount of genuine accurate information that exists I found it impossible to continue on hosting the website and not being in a position to update the pages. Therefore I cancelled my hosting but still have all the .html pages, illustrations and photos on my computer. I had worked more than 11 years on this website, without being in any way related to those mentioned in the pages and would have continued on updating the pages with even more information that I had acquired stored in an update folder that I had not got around to. I wish to point out that I am the author of the entire contents and all research has given me great joy in compiling its contents. The website has NOT been sold, nor passed on to any other individual, it is just frozen at the moment in the hope that the family will release the information to make it an even better website, however I hold little hope of this happening. Thanks for all your kind comments. Feel free to contact me if you wish to know any more.
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I also wish to point out that I no longer use the email address attached to my original posting as I have changed my internet server in recent years. I know of no way that I can be contacted unless through these pages as I believe it is forbidden to include email addresses in any postings.
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Hi Rebecca,
I tried sending you a long email but apparently your mailbox is full.
Can you please reply.
GERRY CULLEN
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The Bayntun website is back online again and I am working on it as I have a lot more information to add to it. I have also been trying to get some concrete info on the early generations of the family but having to insert new pages and revamp the website it going to take me a long time, so hopefully before or after Christmas. I also have a new email address.
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Hello Gerry,
I wanted to express how wonderful the Bayntun website is! Much work has gone into it! I do hope you continue to update it