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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Kilkenny => Topic started by: corisande on Wednesday 01 July 09 09:07 BST (UK)
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The GRANT family arrived in Iverk (that is a barony in southern Kilkenny) in Norman times, and many of them have stayed there ever since.
I am currently trying to untangle the various branches that have emerged, and if anyone is researching the Grants in Kilkenny, can they say which branches they are researching.
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Does your research indicate that the GRANT family of Iverk were descended from Milo fitz David? I have seen one source that says Yes and another that says No.
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So what is your connection to the Grants of Iverk ?
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My great-great-grandfather Andrew Grant emigrated from Kilkenny to New York in 1849, along with his brother James. They had probably lived at Killahy, based on Griffith's Valuation. I haven't been able to trace them any further back, but have been reading about the origin of the Grant family in Kilkenny in Norman times, associated with the Geraldines. I am interested in any source that confirms that the Grants descended from Milo fitz David fitz Gerald of Wales.
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I am interested in any source that confirms that the Grants descended from Milo fitz David fitz Gerald of Wales.
You are talking about events around 1200, so "confirmation" is difficult, in as much as a letter signed William Grant saying that Milo was his grandfather (or whatever) does not exist .
However you can work with "the balance of probability" and on going through all the sources I reach the conclusion that the Grants are descended from Milo. You have presumably read my web site
However the purpose of this thread is about trying to untangle the Grants who came from Iverk and who are both scattered and still in Kilkenny/Waterford. For example in your own case you need to look at the period 1650 to 1850 - whatever happened in 1200 is not going to help
I would suggest that you start a new thread of your own to discus the origins of the Grants at and before 1200 if you want to go into that. Otherwise the purpose of this thread will get watered down
My own view is that at the moment the only way to untangle the Grants today is by DNA, have you had a DNA test done by a male Grant from your line?
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I would like to try the DNA approach but my grandmother, Marie Grant, died in 1910 and so far I have been unable to locate living male descendants of her two brothers. However, that does seem the best approach and I'll keep trying.
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From Hearth Roll (tax records) 1665, Edmund Grant lived at Crobally, and Geffery Grant lived at Kilkeasy (both near Killahy townlands) hope this helps you out!
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Hello. I have researching my husband's family and have traced the family back to William Francis Grant, who came to the US in the mid-1800's. The information I have states that he was from Rathpatrick, Kilkenny. Somewhere over the past 15 years, I also came across info that his father was David Grant. Would be interested to connect the dots (so to speak) with more family in Iverk.
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Pedigree of the Grant family of counties Kilkenny and Waterford, 12th-18th cents,
1972.
GO MS 824/21 Manuscripts Reading Room, National Library of Ireland.
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An early history of the Grants of Waterford and Kilkenny by Alan P. Grant, M.D., July, 1972.
Dublin: National Library of Ireland, Ms. 16,691
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Estate Record: Grant (Kilmurry)
Condons Clangibbon Cork Lat Lon 52 14735 8 16656 OSI Ref W886 995 Discovery map 81 OS Sheet 36 Prospect House Gaultiere H4684 In 1848 James Merritt was leasing this property from the Grant estate when it was valued at 21 The house is still extant and occupied Farranshoneen Ballynakill Waterford Ballynakill 77 Gaultiere Waterford Lat Lon 52 24636 7 08190 OSI Ref S627109 Discovery map 76 OS Sheet 10 View Mount H4686 A property named as View Mount on the 25 inch Ordnance Survey Map of the 1890s It was occupied by Sarah Reynett leasing from the Grant estate at the time of Griffith s Valuation when it was valued at 32 Mrs Sarah Reynett with an address at Kingstown Dublin owned 89 acres in county Waterford in the 1870s Farranshoneen Ballynakill Waterford Ballynakill 77 Gaultiere Waterford Lat Lon 52 24454 7 07901 OSI Ref S629107 Discovery map 76 OS Sheet 18 Mount Pleasant Gaultiere H4687 Samuel King was leasing this property from the Grant estate in 1848 when it was valued at 74 Lewis had also noted it as his seat in 1837 Samuel King residing at Mountpleasant owned over 70 acres in county Waterford in the 1870s Grantstown Ballynakill Waterford Ballynakill 77 Gaultiere Waterford Lat Lon 52 24004 7 07764 OSI Ref S630102 Discovery map 76 OS Sheet 18 Archival sources Irish Genealogical Research Society Library Pedigree of the Grant family National Library of Ireland An early history of the Grants of Waterford and Kilkenny by Alan P Grant M D July 1972
Ms 16 691 National Library of Ireland
Letters to or by members of the family of Grant and other documents concerning them 1800 1836 Ussher Papers
Ms 10 177 National Library of Ireland Two hundred and eighty six deeds
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http://www.inarchive.com/page/2011-10-24/http://www.landedestates.ie/LandedEstates/jsp/estate-show.jsp?id=2930
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Thank you for the info and the link. I have reviewed some valuation info previously, but since I could not find any link by first name to our line, and knowing that the men who came to the US from Ireland had little to nothing in terms of personal wealth, I had dismissed any idea of our line coming from the line that held so much land. Perhaps I will take another look and keep working at finding a link.
You have affirmed an idea I have had to start looking for the David Francis Grant in other places than the Rathpatrick area... perhaps I will take a closer look at Wexford and even Waterford.
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http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~irlkik/history/iverk.htm
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http://www.grantonline.com/grant-family-genealogy/Intro/01-index.htm