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Title: Edward COLEMAN - NSW - COMPLETED
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 03 July 09 23:17 BST (UK)
Hi there,

I am still trying to find out when my Edward COLEMAN died. He was married to a Hannah PAYNE in the UK. I have their marriage cert. I did have Hannah death printout somewhere but am unable to locate it at present.

Edward COLEMAN parents were John COLEMAN and Rachel Unknown (do not have a surname for her at present)

Edward's wife Hannah died 8/12/1893 Stroud, NSW. Have checked this out and Edward is not buried with her.  I have tried to look on the BDM site online but do not see a match there.

I have emailed my uncle to see if it says that Edward was still alive when Hannah died or not.

I thought it would tell me on one of his sons death cert if they were both deceased but does not tell me that iinfo. Would be of help if it did.

I do have other threads on other parts of this family but it is just Edwards death that i am trying to find.

Any help would be welcomed

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 03 July 09 23:24 BST (UK)
Newbe, do you know when Edward Coleman was born, or how long he had been in NSW?


Dee
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 03 July 09 23:36 BST (UK)
Sorry for not Putting this in the first post

Edward was born abt 1820 Gribraltar (looks like the spelling on the immigrants list)

The famliy arrived on the Anglo Saxon 21 October 1854.
With the following children
Edward was 34 Husband
Hannah 42 Wife
Hannah 20
Charles 15
Both of these children were under the PAYNE surname
Caroline 12
Isaac 9
William 7 my second great grandfather
Mary Ann 4

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 03 July 09 23:46 BST (UK)
Thanks, Newbe. That eliminates the Edward Coleman who died in NSW in 1910, no parents listed, who had either been in Kempsey for 77 years or was aged 77 years.....I'm not sure which.

I can't see hs death in NSW either, and I've tried some spelling variations.  :-\


dee

Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 03 July 09 23:48 BST (UK)
Found it, I think!  :D  :D

In Victoria.....

Edw Coleman aged 76 died in 1900 at Prn
Parents = Jno Coleman and Rachel Unknown
Ref = 6889


Dee  :D  :D
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 03 July 09 23:54 BST (UK)
Thanks Dee,

I had wondered if it was the one with unknown parents but again am not sure.
1893/11679 Coleman Edward, Unknown, Unknown, Parramatta

Again am not sure, but I do not think this is my one either.

So far I am at a loss to find him.   I wonder (now this is me just thinking out loud) if the informant knew the parents names or not.

Newbe

PS: Looks like it Dee. Would have to find $$$$$ to get cert. Don't have any till end of month unless my uncle gets it for me

Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 03 July 09 23:55 BST (UK)
Interesting Dee,

I wonder what would make him go to Victoria?
I have no idea

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Friday 03 July 09 23:57 BST (UK)
No idea, Newbe....but I guess he had his reasons.   :-\

You know you can get a digital image of the certificate online, don't you? It still needs dollars, but is much cheaper than getting a paper copy.


Dee  :D  :D
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 04 July 09 00:00 BST (UK)
Thanks Dee,

Yes I know you can get copy on line. Have done that before with other family members in Vic.

I guess the only way to find out if it is my Edward is to get the digital copy. Then I will know for sure.

Thanks for all your help on this Dee

Newbe ;D

Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 04 July 09 00:08 BST (UK)
Glad to have been of help, Newbe.  :D


Dee
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 04 July 09 00:10 BST (UK)
Found it, I think!  :D  :D

In Victoria.....

Edw Coleman aged 76 died in 1900 at Prn
Parents = Jno Coleman and Rachel Unknown
Ref = 6889


Dee  :D  :D

What does Prn stand for and is there  a list of abbreviations for Victoria BDM any where

Would just make life a little easier for one in NZ

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 04 July 09 00:24 BST (UK)
It's an abbreviation for Prahran.

There are several websites that list the placenames and their abbreviations.....here's one listed by Cora Num on
http://www.coraweb.com.au/bdmau.htm

http://myweb.westnet.com.au/talltrees/resources/vic_abbr.htm

The Cora Num website is well worth saving if you don't already have it, Newbe......lots of wonderful links for  Australia and other places as well.


Dee
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 04 July 09 00:32 BST (UK)
Thanks Dee,

Shall save the link in my favourites.

Newbe ;D
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 04 July 09 00:39 BST (UK)
How would I go about finding a cemetery for his burial as am not sure which ones to look at.

Will not be able to get digital death printout until end of month

Am googling to find out and am not sure

Thanks
Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 04 July 09 00:46 BST (UK)
Ahhh, there are others on here who are much better at finding Victorian burials than I am, Newbe....so hopefully they will pick up on this thread and see if they can help you out.


Dee
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 04 July 09 00:51 BST (UK)
Thanks Dee,

Shall wait and see what others can find.

Tried St Kilda no luck
Tried Springvale no luck
Tried Fawkner no luck either

Shall keep looking

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: cando on Saturday 04 July 09 01:32 BST (UK)
Melbourne General Cemetery is another possibility.  No online records, however I have always received very prompt replies to my grave location queries from
mgc[at]necropolis.com.au

If he is buried there, then there is no transcribed MI for a headstone.

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 04 July 09 01:37 BST (UK)
Thanks Cando,

Will try that and find out.

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 04 July 09 02:12 BST (UK)
Hi Dee, Cando and others

I have just received the image of Edward's death from my uncle a few minutes ago.

Edward died on 27 May 1900 and was buried at Meblourne Cemetery on 28 May 1900

Can some one look for a marriage for Edward COLEMAN do a Anna LAINS...
Am not able to make out last bit of surname. 2nd marriage Carlton, Victoria
No issue to second marriage.

This had made my day after searching about 9 years between my uncle and myself.

Have to work later so no bubbles to drink

Newbe

Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 04 July 09 02:28 BST (UK)
I've found the marriage!!

Edward Coleman born Gibralter married Hannah Lainson born Suffolk in .....wait for it......1883!

Ref = 2209


Glad your Uncle helped out and its made your days!  :D  :D


Dee
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 04 July 09 02:32 BST (UK)
Thanks Dee,

Very interesting. I wonder if Edward COLEMAN and Hannah COLEMAN nee PAYNE divorced then. Hannah COLEMAN nee PAYNE died 1893.
I wonder when this second Hannah died?

I heard back form Melbourne Cemetery and Edward COLEMAN is the only one in his grave. No one else is buried with him

Newbe
 
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 04 July 09 02:39 BST (UK)
That was a wonderfully quick response from the Melbourne cemetery, Newbe.....  :D

I'm searching for Hannah's death but nothing substantial as yet.....  :-\


Dee
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 04 July 09 02:42 BST (UK)
Hi
I cannot see a divorce for EDWARD & HANNAH 1 in NSW or Victoria before the marriage to HANNAH 2

Sue
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 04 July 09 02:50 BST (UK)
Thanks everyone,

As you will see in my first post hannah 1 died 1893 Stroud, NSW  it is interseting to see that no divorce is/ has being found yet.

I wonder if they did divorce at all.

Mught have to get Edward and Hannah 2 mariage image and see what that has to say

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 04 July 09 02:53 BST (UK)
Should note of course, newbie, the divorce records in NSW start 1873, so something may have been done before that.
Sue
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 04 July 09 02:57 BST (UK)
Might also be a case of the old desertion bit of seven years apart and consider you are able to remarry.   ???  :-\

My ggg-grandmother did that after her hubbie departed for the Victorian goldfields and was never heard of again!  :D  :D


Dee
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 04 July 09 02:58 BST (UK)
I'm having no luck with Hannah/Anna's death as yet. When you can afford the marriage cert for Hannah and Edward, that may help in identifying if she had been married before. Maybe Lainson was not her maiden name.  :-\

There's a couple of Hannah Coleman deaths with unidentified parents, but of course they are no help!   >:(    ;D


Dee
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 04 July 09 03:00 BST (UK)
Thanks Sue and Dee,

This is food for thought.  I guess it could be a case of dessertion. I also guess Edward had his reasons why he went to Victoria as well.

Newbe

PS: might have to find her birth in Suffolk and see when she was born
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 04 July 09 03:06 BST (UK)
This is the only one I can find on Free BDM

March q 1855
Lainson Hannah
Halifax 9a 385

But I don't think it is my one

Edward's second wife was 55 years old when he died

Newbe

Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 04 July 09 03:16 BST (UK)
Looks like this Hannah/Anna Lainson was born abt 1845

I wonder when she left the UK to come out to Australia

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 04 July 09 03:16 BST (UK)
Edward's wife Hannah died 8/12/1893 Stroud, NSW. Have checked this out and Edward is not buried with her.  I have tried to look on the BDM site online but do not see a match there

Hope you will not mind me asking, but are you  perfectly certain this is the right Hannah.?
Indexed with father George and mother not known. Correct?

Do you have the certificate [You do refer to a "print out"]

Sue
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 04 July 09 03:20 BST (UK)
Yes Sue,

I did have a printout but have missplace it.
Yes Hannah 1 Parents were George PAYNE and Unknown were written on it

Yes I am certain that is the correct one  as my uncle has the printout and I am going to get myself another copy at the end ot the month

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 04 July 09 03:30 BST (UK)
The marriage certificate for Edward and Hannah 1 has:
Edward COLEMAN father John COLEMAN does not have wife's name
Hannah PAYNE father George PAYNE does not have wife's name

Edward and Hannah 1 were married on 28 July 1844
The parish of Bungay St Mary, Suffolk, England

Newbe

Edit: had the year wrong have corrected it to 1844 as you can now see
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 04 July 09 03:33 BST (UK)
I take it the death cert image for Edward Coleman has both wives listed?   ???


Dee
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 04 July 09 03:48 BST (UK)
First wife is unknown unknown but has London England which is close enough
Second wife is listed as Anna Lainson  Carlton, Victoria, 55 years

So does that mean Anna/Hannah was 55 whe she married Edward ???

Under the childrens names it say supposed to be alive.
Isaac died 1902 and William died 1908
I have William's death certificate in front of me

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 04 July 09 03:52 BST (UK)
So does that mean Anna/Hannah was 55 whe she married Edward  NEWBIE

No, if it is on his death certificate, it means that is her age at his death.
Sue
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 04 July 09 03:57 BST (UK)
Thanks Sue
So if she was 55 years when he died and she married him in 1883 then she was 38 years old.

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Saturday 04 July 09 04:24 BST (UK)
Interesting  this is

Alfred LAinson and Hannah PAYNE had several children in Victoria 
now Alfred died in 1870

So wondering if  this is  the Hannah  that married Edward Coleman

Girls, what are your thoughts on  this

Jenn
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Saturday 04 July 09 04:34 BST (UK)
There are also  births to Alfred an Hannah in NSW.
The marriage was in NSW in 1855.

Jenn
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 04 July 09 04:36 BST (UK)
This is getting more confusing all the time, Jenn!  ;D

It's certainly proving a challenge.


Poor Newbe won't want to go to work!  ;D


Dee
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 04 July 09 04:45 BST (UK)
I found a marriage for Alfred Lainson in the district of West London in 1847. Choice of brides are Ann HUNT or Ann Tye

Not Payne though......  :-\

It's the only marraige searching Lains*


You'll understand why when you read on!   ::)  ;D

Dee
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Saturday 04 July 09 04:57 BST (UK)

Dee you are confused :o as I said  the marriage was in NSW ;)

Jenn
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Saturday 04 July 09 05:05 BST (UK)
Newbe,
who was the informant on Edwards death certificate please

Jenn
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 04 July 09 05:10 BST (UK)

Dee you are confused :o as I said the marriage was in NSW ;)

Jenn

   ::)     ;D   

Time I took a break, I think.....  :-\
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Saturday 04 July 09 05:14 BST (UK)
Dee,,

I  shall  throw  this into  the mix!!!!


Hannah Payne arrived aged 20 in 1854 with  her Mother and probably her stepfather Edward Coleman...... she then marries Alfred Lainson  and  has several children in NSW and Victoria.....  Alfred Dies in Victoria  and she marries her stepfathr Edward in 1883 :o :o

Jenn
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 04 July 09 05:18 BST (UK)
SNAP Jenn!

I was about to PM you with that very thought!  :o       


Only thing I was wondering about was the age discrepancies.....but we all know how distorted they can be on certificates and passengers lists.


Dee
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: cando on Saturday 04 July 09 05:18 BST (UK)
First wife is unknown unknown but has London England which is close enough
Second wife is listed as Anna Lainson  Carlton, Victoria, 55 years

So does that mean Anna/Hannah was 55 whe she married Edward ???

Under the childrens names it say supposed to be alive.
Isaac died 1902 and William died 1908
I have William's death certificate in front of me

Newbe

If we are referring to Edward's death certificate, the age would refer to Edward when he married Anna/Hannah.

It us usual to have it something like this isn't it?

Married to   ****
Where         ****
Age              **

Now I'll go back to where I came from :P

Cando
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Saturday 04 July 09 05:20 BST (UK)
Cando
My  thoughts exactly the age usually  refers  to  the person whose certificate it  is, does  that sound  the right way to put it?

Jenn
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Saturday 04 July 09 05:22 BST (UK)
Dee,
by  the arrival age he was born  1820 so was 63 in 1883  but as you say  ages vary so much on different certificates

Jenn
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Saturday 04 July 09 05:28 BST (UK)
found this death in Victoria

COLEMAN  Hannah died aged 76 in 1910 at St Kilda
father Payne mother unknown reg no 14496

Birth then 1834c which ties on with Hannah arriving in 1854 aged 20 :o


Jenn

Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 04 July 09 05:30 BST (UK)
I think I've found Hannah Coleman's death..... aged 78 at St K in 1910....Father PAYNE, Mother Hannah UNKNOWN
Ref = 14496


Dee ....wiping brow......  :o

Oh Snap again Jenn!  ;D

Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: cando on Saturday 04 July 09 05:34 BST (UK)
No burial record at Fawkner, Springvale, St Kilda and if she is at Melbourne General, no headstone.

It looks either buy the image of the reg or send an email to Melbourne General.

Cheers
Cando
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Saturday 04 July 09 05:48 BST (UK)
Now methinks  that maybe we are  not far from  the truth :o

Alfred Lainson arrived in NSW

  yes you  guessed it in 1854 on  the Anglo Saxon.

too much of a coincidence

Jenn
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 04 July 09 05:56 BST (UK)
Think we might have cracked it.....but Newbie will have to check when she can manage the certificate.    ;) 


Dee
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Saturday 04 July 09 06:06 BST (UK)
And another factor in this is  the marriage of Hannah Lainson  to Edward Coleman says she was born in Suffolk  which is where  both Hannah's were born

Jenn
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 04 July 09 06:10 BST (UK)
That was one of the first two "coincidences"....both being hannah from Suffolk!  :D


Dee
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 04 July 09 08:06 BST (UK)

Hi all,

marries her stepfathr Edward in 1883

Has anyone looked at this death .
Here is the burial.

Cemetery St Kilda Cemetery   
Given Names HANNAH   
Surname COLMAN   
Date of Service 10/10/1883   
Age 76   
Burial Type BURIAL   
Location Details Church of England - Monumental Grave Compt C Grave 674   
This memorial is held in perpetuity - for all time.

Age a few years out for Hannah on the ship  ;)
Sue

Have just got home so hope I have taken in the new material correctly. Sorry if........not
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Saturday 04 July 09 08:09 BST (UK)
Sue, we did find a death for Hannah Coleman father Payne

the one you have just mentioned father was Lancaster


kind thoughts Jenn
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 04 July 09 08:14 BST (UK)
Mm..
Had a feeling I might have been reading a bit too quickly there ;)
S.
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 04 July 09 11:05 BST (UK)
Well girls, I went to work so was unable to answer your questions till now.

That marriage you found for  Hannah Payne in 1855 could be the daughter from Hannah's first marriage to Samuel Payne in the UK.

Looks like informant was some sort of agent in Bridge Road, Richmond
Can't read the first bit and thought about attaching it but am not able to figure out how to do it with a PDF yet.

Newbe

PS: Have mot read all of this thread yet but answering the bit near 3: 35 pm NZ time

Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 04 July 09 11:07 BST (UK)
Keep reading, Newbie!  :D  :D  :D
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 04 July 09 11:11 BST (UK)
I am Dee,

this is getting very interesting ;D

newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 04 July 09 11:15 BST (UK)
Now this Hannah PAYNE that you found a marriage for in 1855 sounds like one for the daughter of Samuel PAYNE and Hannah PAYNE born abt 1835 in Kelsale, Suffolk, England.

Now I have nothing on her at all as I have not started my search for her yet.

Does this mean I am sending another email to melbourne General Cemetery?

newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 04 July 09 11:18 BST (UK)
I wonder how many more certificates am I going to get.

I already have about ten to get from NSW so this is going to cost a bit for my pocket by the look of it

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 04 July 09 11:23 BST (UK)
We think Hannah Payne, daughter of Hannah Payne married Alfred Lainson in Sydney. They came out on the same ship.

Then we found ......
Alfred's death in Victoria in 1870,
Hannah Lainson appearing to marry  stepfather Edward Coleman in 1883,
Hannah Coleman dying in 1910

It is her death that it might be worth enquiring about at the Melbourne Cemetery.

But the only way you may prove that all of this will be Hannah's first marriage certificate and her death certificate. :-\

It can  get rather costly, this family history hobby.....  :-\  


Dee
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 04 July 09 11:27 BST (UK)
your telling me Dee,

I still have lots to get here in NZ.

But will get them one at a time.

The ones I am getting in NSW should be good as found a transcription agent who gives discount for ten more  in one order ;D

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 04 July 09 11:30 BST (UK)
Oh that's good, Newbie.

I've just remembered another webiste to check out. Just cross your fingers, but don't get your hopes up too high.  ;)


Dee

Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 04 July 09 11:35 BST (UK)
Ok so this is the marrriage for Hannah PAYNE  to Alfred LAINSON V1855114 86/1855
IA (Wesleyan Methodist Church , Sydney)

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 04 July 09 11:37 BST (UK)
No luck I'n afraid.....I was hoping to save you the cost of a certificate.  :-\

I haven't checked that marriage personally, Newbie....Jenn did that.


Dee
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 04 July 09 11:40 BST (UK)
Thanks Dee,

Thank you to Jenn and all the others for their imput as well.

I see four children to Alfred and Hannah.

I see there are also children in Victoria as well

Could someone write the names down for me please

newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 04 July 09 11:45 BST (UK)
No worries......I'll do it now......  :D



Dee
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 04 July 09 11:46 BST (UK)
These are the four children to Alfred and Hannah LAINSON

3817(REF)  1857 LAINSON WILLIAM              ALFRED     HANAH        ST GEORGE  
3920 (REF) 1859 LAINSON CHARLES C          ALFRED     HANNAH      ST GEORGE  
3914 (REF) 1861 LAINSON AGNES                 ALFRED     HANAH       ST GEORGE  
4011 (REF) 1863 LAINSON ADA H                  ALFRED     HANAH       ST GEORGE  


Have noted the way Hannah's name is spelt as well

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 04 July 09 11:46 BST (UK)
Thanks Dee :D

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 04 July 09 11:57 BST (UK)
Here's what I've found so far for Hannah PAYNE and Alfred LAINSON......

Alice Mary LAINSON born in 1865 in MELB
Ref = 17043
She died aged 4 months in 1865,birth place then given as CARL
Ref =  9493

Clara Ann LAINSON born in 1865 in MELB
Ref = 17044
She died aged 1 year in 1866, birth palce given as CARL. And her mother was given as Emma Payne. (A mistake I expect)
Ref = 11116

Clara Ellen LAINSON born in 1867 in MELBOURNE
Ref = 16465

Eva Louisa LAINSON born in 1869 in COLLINGWOOD
Ref = 21678
 
Ida Hannah LAINSON  aged 23 died in 1886, birthplace given as CARL LYIN
Ref = 8532


Still searching......


Dee
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 04 July 09 12:01 BST (UK)
Thanks Dee,

Your one in a million ;D

Shall wait for more 8)

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 04 July 09 12:13 BST (UK)
Some deaths......

Helen Clara SELKING aged 39 born Brswk died in 1907
Father =  Alfd LAINSON & Mother = Hannah PAYNE
Ref = 3795


Father =  Alfred LAINSON & Mother = Hannah  PAYNE for the three following deaths…..


Wm LAINSON aged 69 died in 1927 at 
Father: Lainson Alfred
Ref =11808

Agnes CONSTABLE aged 80 died in 1841 in EWICK
Ref = 8914

Eva Louisa BROADBENT aged 88 died in 1958 in COBU
Ref = 11028



Dee
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 04 July 09 12:15 BST (UK)
Thanks Dee

Newbe ;D
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Saturday 04 July 09 12:18 BST (UK)
One marriage....there may be more, but my eyes are packing it in tonight.....someone else might find some more, or I'll have a look in the morning.

Eva Louisa LAINSON born COLLINGWOOD married Arth Ernest BROADBENT born COLAC in 1889
Ref = 8358

It's been a successful team hunt today!  :D  :D


Goodnight.....


Dee  :D
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Saturday 04 July 09 12:21 BST (UK)
Leave it for tonight then Dee,

This has been a very good day all round

I did not think we would get this far at all

Sleep well

I am off soon to to the world of nod ;D

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: sparrett on Saturday 04 July 09 23:54 BST (UK)
Just hunting up a few burials to tidy things up.
At Fawkner and Coburg.

Together.

Coburg Cemetery C. of E. Comp. A Gve 259

Clara Helen SLKRING (sic)interred 30/3/1907 aged 39
Francis  Robert SELKRIG (sic) 23/12/1940 aged 88
Eva Louise Broadbent 25/8/1958 aged 88

Fawkner Crem/Cem

William LAINSON 8/9/1927 aged 69 Cong. Comp B. Gve.238 .

Ida Hannah LAINSON  aged 23 died in 1886, birthplace given as CARL LYIN

In case you were not aware CARL LYIN is the abbreviated name for the Carlton Lying in Hospital , in other words, Maternity.
Now the Royal Womens'
http://www.thewomens.org.au/OurHistory
Sue
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 05 July 09 00:01 BST (UK)
Hi Sue,

Thank you so much for this info.  I have so much to add to my tree now.

Cheers
newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Sunday 05 July 09 00:03 BST (UK)
I am just doing up details of  the children of Alfred Lainson and Hannah Payne

wil post in a few minutes


Jenn
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 05 July 09 00:10 BST (UK)
Thanks Jenn,

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Sunday 05 July 09 00:29 BST (UK)
LAINSON  Alfred died in 1870 place of birth given as London
Reg no 3924 Father William  mother Elizabeth unknown

Alfred and Hannah Payne had  the following children
In NSW at St George
William 1857
Charles C 1859
Agnes 1861
Ada H 1863  died a s Ida H Lainson in  1886 aged 23 reg no 8532
Then in Victoria
Alice Mary  1865 reg no 17043 died aged 4 months in 1865 regno 9493
Clara Ann 1865 reg no 17044 died aged 1 in 1866 reg no 11116
Clara Ellen 1867 reg no 16465
Eva Louisa 1869 reg no 21678

Marriages of their children

Agnes LAINSON married William Job CONSTABLE born Melbourne  in 1876 reg no 1154
Children
Unnamed Male 1876 reg no 18516
Francis Hedley 1878 reg no 24171 died in 1883 aged 4 reg 1040
Archibald Geo 1880 regno 10135

CONSTABLE Agnes died aged 80 in 1941 at Ewick reg no 8914
Father AlfredLainson mother Hannah Payne


 
William LIANSON born Sydney married Ellen LIDDLE born Castlemaine  in 1881 reg no 5677

They had the following children at Collingwood Victoria
Agnes Ada Ellen 1882 reg no 15153
Alfred Liddle1883 reg no 22804 died 1884 reg no 8421
Ellen Margaret Caroline 1886  reg no 9356
Eva Elizth 1888 reg no 2181 died 1881 reg no 1604
William  1889 reg no 20635Event: B
Charles Lachlan 1891 North Fitzroy reg no 22634
Phil Stanley 1893 reg no 31463 died 1895 reg no 1621
Clarice Hazel 1895 reg no 20633
Leonard Baden 1900 reg no 18805
LAINSON Ellen died in 1925 aged 63  at Melbourne East father  James Liddle mother Ellen Drummond rg no 14405
LAINSON William died in 1927 aged 69 at Ncote
Father Alfred Lainson mother Hannah Payne reg no 11808



Clara Ellen LAINSON born Carl married Francis SELKRIG born Fitzroy
Children to this couple
Francis Robt 1889 reg no 12311
Maggie Nathalie 1891 reg no 11386
Reginald William 1894 rg no 9745
Alfred George 1897 reg no 9127
Gladys Vera 1899 reg no 24695
Dorothy May 1902 reg no 8450
Nellie Clarice 1906 reg no 8631

SELKING Helen Clara  died in 1907 at Brunsick reg no 3795
Father Alfred Lainson mother Hannah Payne



LAINSON Eva Louisa born Collingwood married Arther Ernest BROADBENT born Colac in  1889 reg no 8358
Children
Alfred George born 1891 reg no 9935 at Brunswick died in 1957 reg no 3924

BROADBENT Eva Louisa died aged 88 in 1958 at Coburg reg no 11028
Father Alfred Lainson mother Hannah Payne

COLEMAN  Hannah died aged 76 in 1910 at St Kilda
father Payne mother unknown reg no 14496

apogies for any doubling up of information

no sign of Charles Lainson born 1859 in NSW for a death or marriage in Victoria

Jenn
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 05 July 09 00:39 BST (UK)
Thank you so much Jenn,

This is a lot of info to go through.  I shall add it to my file of other info from this thread.

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 05 July 09 00:42 BST (UK)
Just hunting up a few burials to tidy things up.
At Fawkner and Coburg.

Together.

Coburg Cemetery C. of E. Comp. A Gve 259

Clara Helen SLKRING (sic)interred 30/3/1907 aged 39
Francis  Robert SELKRIG (sic) 23/12/1940 aged 88
Eva Louise Broadbent 25/8/1958 aged 88

Fawkner Crem/Cem

William LAINSON 8/9/1927 aged 69 Cong. Comp B. Gve.238 .

Ida Hannah LAINSON  aged 23 died in 1886, birthplace given as CARL LYIN

In case you were not aware CARL LYIN is the abbreviated name for the Carlton Lying in Hospital , in other words, Maternity.
Now the Royal Womens'
http://www.thewomens.org.au/OurHistory
Sue

Hi Sue,

No I was not aware of that.  Thanks for letting me know

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Sunday 05 July 09 00:55 BST (UK)
There is this death in NSW

reg no 10752/1931 

LAINSON  CHARLES C  father  WILLIAM  william HANNAH 

which I  feel  could be a strong possibility

Jenn
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Sunday 05 July 09 01:01 BST (UK)
On  the 1930 Electoral Roll

Charles Coleman LAINSON bricklayer at 126 Young Street  Redfern.

not on  the 1936 Roll

With  the middle name of Coleman  one  could  no  doubt assume  this is indeed Charles C LAINSON

any  thoughts re  this at all?

Jenn
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 05 July 09 01:06 BST (UK)
Hi there,

I am also trying to find Charles PAYNE
He is Hannah's brother. He was born June Q 1839 Suffolk, England
I have found a death for him in 1921 ref 14709 Father Samuel Mother Hannah District Stroud.

I have no idea if he married or not. Will have to wait till end of month to get death transcription

I have looked at the Stroud Cemetery site and he is not there.

I had been told that he married a Elizabeth BURCELL but can find no marriage on NSW for them.

Can some one hellp me find his burial or other info please

Newbe

PS: Trying to tie up loose ends on this part of the family
I shall put that death to one side Jenn
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 05 July 09 01:07 BST (UK)
On  the 1930 Electoral Roll

Charles Coleman LAINSON bricklayer at 126 Young Street  Redfern.

not on  the 1936 Roll

With  the middle name of Coleman  one  could  no  doubt assume  this is indeed Charles C LAINSON

any  thoughts re  this at all?

Jenn

Sounds promising Jenn. Guess this might be another one to add to the list to get

Any one else with ideas on this ???

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 05 July 09 01:12 BST (UK)
Maybe we can find a little more on Charles C Lainson, Newbie.......we can but try......  ;D  ;D

Here's a little additional information on the Selkrigs.....

Fran Robt SELKRIG aged 82 died in 1940 at SUNBURY
Parents unknown.
Ref = 22223
Cause of death for Francis R SELKRIG was Cardio Vascular Degeneration
Inquest 21st Dec 1940
Ref = 1576

Reginald Wm SELKRIG aged 58 died in 1952 at OAKL
Father =  Frank SELKRIG & Mother = Nellie  LAINSON
Ref = 11584
Cause of death for Reginald W SELKRIG was Struck By Car
Inquest 24th Sep 1952:
Ref = 1500



Alfred George SELKRIG aged 76 died in 1973 at BRUN
Father = Francis Robert SELKRIG & Mother= Clarice Elle  LAINSON
Ref = 13941




.....dee  :D
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Sunday 05 July 09 01:13 BST (UK)
there is  this marriage in Victoria

 PAYNE  Charles born Sandhurst
married Eliz BURCHELL born Sandhurst  in 1880 reg no 3556


I  have seen instances of  errors in  the birthplace.

Jenn
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Sunday 05 July 09 01:16 BST (UK)
Children in Victoria born to Charles Payne and Elizabeth Burchell
Emily 1883 Sandhurst reg no 12171
Joseph Charles 1881 Sandhurst reg no  12141
William James 1884 Sandhurst reg no 20349


Jenn

Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 05 July 09 01:18 BST (UK)
Jenn, here's the birth of Alfred George Selkrig....thought you might like to add it to your list of births to the various Lainson children  .

Alf Geo SELKRIG born in 1897 at BRNWCK 
Father =  Francis SELKRIG & Mother =  Clara Ellen LANISON
Ref =9127


Dee  :D
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 05 July 09 01:19 BST (UK)
Thank you Jenn, Dee, Sue, Cando for all your help.

I would not have got this far without you

Thanks Jenn for the marriage and children

Thanks Dee for the other info

Newbe

PS: more info while I type this up ;D
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Sunday 05 July 09 01:24 BST (UK)
Jenn, here's the birth of Alfred George Selkrig....thought you might like to add it to your list of births to the various Lainson children  .

Alf Geo SELKRIG born in 1897 at BRNWCK 
Father =  Francis SELKRIG & Mother =  Clara Ellen LANISON
Ref =9127


Dee  :D


Will do Dee 


Quote
also Maybe we can find a little more on Charles C Lainson, Newbie.......we can but try......   


What did you feel about Charles Coleman LAINSON

Jenn
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 05 July 09 01:28 BST (UK)
It's a very likely possibility, Jenn......but guess there's only one real way of proving it.....  :D


Dee
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 05 July 09 01:53 BST (UK)
Sounds like I might have to get Charles Coleman LAINSON's death printout to be sure it is the  same one

newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 05 July 09 02:00 BST (UK)
Am also thinking that i need to compile a list of certificates that I need to get now and ones to leave for later.

what do others think ???

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 05 July 09 02:15 BST (UK)
I think that's what I'd do, Newbe.....I'd make a list of all the certificates you wish you could have......then go through it and make a second list of the ones that are most important to your research.

It's what most of us have to do.  ;)


Dee
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 05 July 09 02:17 BST (UK)
Thanks Dee,

Shall do that and add it to thread.

Back later with list

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 05 July 09 02:37 BST (UK)
Some records that don't cost......  ;)

Alfred George Selkrig and Reginald Wiilaim Selkrig, sons of Clara Ellen Lainson and Francis Robert Selkrig, were in World War 1. Their service records are available to view /save at
http://www.naa.gov.au/

So is that of Alfred George Broadbent, son of Eva May Lainson and Arthur Ernest Broadbent.


Dee
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 05 July 09 02:49 BST (UK)
Thanks Dee ;D

Shall have a look

newbe 8)
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Sunday 05 July 09 02:54 BST (UK)
Newbe,

yes it would be nice to have every crtificate  but that is just not practible unless you are very very financial and can afford  the money.

So  I know I  have had to limit muself and only  buy  ones  that verify or lead  to further discoveries.

The death of Charles C Lianson is to my way of  thinking not a top priority. ;D

Now back in  the thread I asked you  for  who was the informant on  the death certificate of EDWARD COLEMAN ?

thanks Jenn
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 05 July 09 03:01 BST (UK)



Looks like informant was some sort of agent in Bridge Road, Richmond
Can't read the first bit and thought about attaching it but am not able to figure out how to do it with a PDF yet.

Newbe




Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 05 July 09 03:35 BST (UK)
Have sent email to Melbourne General Cemetery to find out about Hannah Colman/Coleman died 1910

Will wait and see what they have first

Newbe

Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 05 July 09 03:57 BST (UK)
Just browsing about re. your Selkrig line on this cold Melbourne afternoon.

I noted in ALFRED GEORGE's war file that he married DAISY GLADYS MACKNESS in London during the war in 1919.

Sadly she died in 1935 and is buried at Fawkner aged only 37.

A good many other Selkrig's are at Fawkner too.
Sue
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 05 July 09 04:02 BST (UK)
Thanks Sue,

Yes it is a cold afternoon in Christchurch, NZ too

Am off to work soon so will see what else you cpome up with when I get home

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 05 July 09 09:59 BST (UK)
Hi there,

Have received a copy of Hannah Coleman's death image from the uncle.

Now it is very hard to read so have sent it to Jenn to work out.

Now she was in NSW 3 years and Victoria 49 years

Informant was son-in-law .......   Broadbent
Buried at Melbourne cemetery

these are the bits I can make out.

I am so confused ???  Why would the step daughter marry the step father  or other way round.  Does not make sense to me ::)

What do you think girls

newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 05 July 09 10:19 BST (UK)
Why would the step daughter marry the step father  or other way round.  Does not make sense to me  NEWBIE

Hard to comment on other people's motives, but I can think of a lot of reasons, some involving longterm attraction/friendship, others about familiarity and convenience.

Sue
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 05 July 09 10:25 BST (UK)
So we were on the right track about that, Newbe.      :)

As to why they married, as Sue says, there could be lots of reasons, and the convenience reason was very strong motivation for people back then.......and they wouldn't be the first stepfather/stepdaughter to become a couple.  

It would be very interesting to know how long Edward Coleman was separated from his Hannah 2's mother before he married her, but that's something you'll probably never know.  :-\


Dee
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 05 July 09 10:32 BST (UK)
Very true Dee and Sue,


Yes I will never know why they married.

Looks like to complete the puzzle I will nedd to get the marriage image at end of month if not a bit earlier

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 05 July 09 10:37 BST (UK)
Well Newbe.....the situation has provided a most interesting hunt with  its twists and turns. I'm sure we've all thoroughly enjoyed it.   :D  :D


Dee
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 05 July 09 10:40 BST (UK)
I hope you have as well Dee,

Never thought I would get this far with this family so quickly over a weekend.

Thank you to everyone who has helped with this thread.

newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Sunday 05 July 09 10:46 BST (UK)
I certainly have.  :D
It's kept me well and truly occupied on a very wintry weekend.  ;)

Once you get all the information  into order, don't hesitate to ask of there are missing bits and pieces you'd like us to try to fill in. It depends how many little side "branches" you want information on.


Dee
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Sunday 05 July 09 10:50 BST (UK)
He was a several years younger  than Hannah  the first wife.

My  thoughts are did  they both marry  knowing  the mother / wife was still alive in NSW or did Edward tell her fibs....

Have you  found what happened  to  the Other coleman Children

Jenn
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 05 July 09 11:01 BST (UK)
Thanks for the offer Dee.

Best to keep it all in one thread I think :D

Now to Jenn's question

Caroline Coleman died 1856 St George. do not have transcription yet will add to list
She was born 1842
Isaac Coleman  1845 - 1902  died in Stroud
Have no info as to if he married or had children

William Edward Coleman born 21/5/1847 died 6/5/1908 Have his death cert and all his family

Mary Ann Coleman born 1849 died unknown married a James Farley 26/12/1867 NSW. James died 28/11/1882. they had 3 children

Newbe

Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Sunday 05 July 09 11:27 BST (UK)
Sorry Newbe  got distracted from  this
Going back  to CHARLES PAYNE and Elizabeth Burchell

Children in Victoria born to Charles Payne and Elizabeth Burchell
Emily 1883 Sandhurst reg no 12171
Joseph Charles 1881 Sandhurst reg no  12141
William James 1884 Sandhurst reg no 20349


more births in Victoria to  this couple
Lizzie Olive 1892 Bendigo reg no 29785
Percival Burchell 1890 Sandhurst 7571  died 1890 Sandhurst 17509
Rose Victoria 1895 Long Gully 13780

PAYNE Elizabeth died aged 42 in 1902 at Bendigo Hospital reg no 12633
father Jos Burchell mother Sarah Cheichley



Jenn


Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 05 July 09 11:37 BST (UK)
That's ok Jenn,

I had a thought we would get there sooner or later with Charles PAYNE and Elizabeth BURCHELL.

Thank you for the list of children as well

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Monday 06 July 09 05:05 BST (UK)
I am thinking of getting the marriage image of Hannah PAYNE and Alfred Lainson
Also the one for Charles PAYNE and Elizabeth Burchell

Was going to make a list but never got there.

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 06 July 09 05:18 BST (UK)
They are probably the essential ones, Newbe.    :D


Dee
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Monday 06 July 09 05:20 BST (UK)
Ok Dee,

I will get them at the end of the month and go from there.

Will update you once I have them and see just what they say

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 06 July 09 05:26 BST (UK)
Fingers crossed that it all works out how it appears.    :D  :D


Dee
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Monday 06 July 09 05:37 BST (UK)
Sometime last year I got some transcription for the COLEMAN family
they were a mixture of BDM's in NSW. Now I have lost them all. I think from memory I received about 8 in total through   http://home.iprimus.com.au/lturtle/

I am thinking I will have to pay for them again as I have no idea if I can request another copy of them or not

Does anyone know what to do in this sort of screw up that I had ::)

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Monday 06 July 09 05:50 BST (UK)
Maybe like  me you might have saved  the emails  they came with if you  took  that option
but ask Laurie anyway  maybe he kept a copy

Incidently  maybe just a coincidence but  there is a marriage in Bendigo in 1903 for a Charles Payne might just be that a coincidence and not necessarily a remarriage

Jenn
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Monday 06 July 09 05:53 BST (UK)
I think they wereon my other computer at my brothers place and I think I deleted all my emails as well.

Shall send an email and find out.

Now to remember who they were all for.

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Monday 06 July 09 05:58 BST (UK)
Well hopefully  seeing as Laurie emaled them to you  he will have kept a record, good luck ;D


http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/
Back to Alfred Lainson, on  the SRO (State Records Office of NSW) if you do an advanced name search for Lainson  you  get a couple of hits including an Insolvency record  which might be  the reason  the family went to Victoria.

Jenn

Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Monday 06 July 09 06:09 BST (UK)
Maybe Alfred LAINSON wanted a fresh start with his family.
I also saw the record of him arriving on the same ship as the COLEMAN family.

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 06 July 09 06:23 BST (UK)
A search of Lainson on
http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home
brings up a number of results for Melbourne, but they are nearly all too late for Alfred. William gets
a few mentions though.


Dee
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Monday 06 July 09 06:25 BST (UK)
Newbe, did you  also follow  on  with  the other son George Payne ?


Jenn
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 06 July 09 06:27 BST (UK)
Newbe,

If you go to this link, you can find a page about where alfred Lainson lived in Victoria before he died.  :o  :D

It's a heritage building report.   :D

http://www.rootschat.com/links/065d/

You'll need to Use "Find" when you get the website and put in Lainson.



Dee
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Monday 06 July 09 06:38 BST (UK)
Thanks very much Dee.

Very interesting indeed.

Newbe 8)
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: sparrett on Monday 06 July 09 07:39 BST (UK)
Hi all,
Jenn, I noted this burial at Bendigo the other day and was going to mention it.
Name -Charles Payne
Date of Death: not available
Date of Burial: 17/03/1934
Interment Number: 018337
Cemetery: WHITE HILLS

Grave Number: 18337
I was not able to find anyone with him


Sue
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Monday 06 July 09 07:47 BST (UK)
Hi Sue,

If that is my Charles PAYNE he would have been 94/95 when he died

I wonderif there is more than one.

When did Elizabeth die ???

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: sparrett on Monday 06 July 09 07:47 BST (UK)
Hi
Also posting this for interest.

There is ww2 record for WILLIAM JAMES PAYNE
He has the correct birth date and was born in Bendigo.
When he enlisted his NOK was BERTHA and at the time, he was living in Cloncurry, Qld.
A check of Qld Bmd shows he married BERTHA ELLEN EATON in 1914 reg. C718
There is a death for aman in 1928 reg. C3950 named Charles William Richard PAYNE, father William James and mother Bertha Ellen.

So that seems to be where he moved off to. ;D

Sue
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Monday 06 July 09 07:50 BST (UK)
Hi Sue keep posting anything else of interest.

Then can sort through it all and see where it all ties in.

Good job Sue ;D

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Monday 06 July 09 07:52 BST (UK)
So we go from NSW to Vic then Qld...........

I wonder where else.

Must not forget the NZ bit  otherwise I would not be here ;D

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: sparrett on Monday 06 July 09 07:53 BST (UK)

Hi Sue,

If that is my Charles PAYNE he would have been 94/95 when he died


Yes, that's right Newbie and you did feel persuaded didn't you that he was at Stroud showing the right parents, Hannah and Samuel
14709/1921
Sue
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: sparrett on Monday 06 July 09 08:00 BST (UK)
Hi Sue keep posting anything else of interest.

Well, this may be worth considering.
Marriage in QLD.
1910/C1273 Payne, Joseph Charles to  Fitzgerald  Ann

Sue
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Monday 06 July 09 08:04 BST (UK)
The one thing about Charles' birth is that the father Samuel Payne was already in Tasmania as a convict.
as Charles was born 1839 and Samuel was already in Tassie in 1837 then Samuel was not his father.  I think Edward was but Hannah had to wait so may years before she could marry Edward

The only thing I can do is wait till end of month and get a copy of the transcription of his death to find out more

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Monday 06 July 09 08:04 BST (UK)
I may have to get Charles Payne birth cert from the UK as well

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Monday 06 July 09 08:18 BST (UK)
in 1913 up in the electorate of Kennedy ( my part of  the world) Georgetown district
Joseph Charles Payne at Einselagh miner
William James Payne same details
Annie Payne home duties.

But  if I  remember correctly  was Newbe going off damily information  that Charles Payne had married elizabeth Burchell?

So  hope we have got  the right family  here.

JEnn
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Monday 06 July 09 08:20 BST (UK)
See the marriage  of what may be one of  the daughters/sister also in Queensland.

1914/C579 Bride Payne Rose Victoria  Groom  Johnston William Alfred

Jenn
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Monday 06 July 09 08:25 BST (UK)
ah and  the other sister who married later after  the death of Charles Payne the father maybe she was at home being a dutifull daughter and looking after dear old Dad. ::)

in 1924/C879 groom  Buckby Joseph Harvey Bride Payne Lizzie Olive

Jenn
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: sparrett on Monday 06 July 09 08:25 BST (UK)
in 1913 up in the electorate of Kennedy ( my part of  the world) Georgetown district
Joseph Charles Payne at Einselagh miner
William James Payne same details
Annie Payne home duties
JENN

So here we have
Son of Charles Payne, William living with his brother and his brother's wife Annie.
He will marry the following year.

Sue

MMMmm...Looks like they all scooted north!
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Monday 06 July 09 08:29 BST (UK)
ah and  the other sister who married later after  the death of Charles Payne the father maybe she was at home being a dutifull daughter and looking after dear old Dad. ::)

in 1924/C879 groom  Buckby Joseph Harvey Bride Payne Lizzie Olive

Jenn
Hi Jenn, This is another Charles PAYNE, Father Isacc PAYNE mother Elizabeth BAILEY

This is another family throught the daughter Lizzie  Payne and is throught the Buckby line
Newbe

Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Monday 06 July 09 08:30 BST (UK)
Yes  is  that odd  seeing Dad was in Stroud  but  they were all adults  too.   Georgetown  was mining,  Rose Victoria  ended up  in MAreeba  and Lizzie  in Ayr.

Jenn
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Monday 06 July 09 08:32 BST (UK)
I  really  don't understand what  you  mean  here Newbe?

Is  it not  the same family  we do  have Lizze Olive birth  to Charles Payne and Elizabeth Burchell?

Jenn
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: sparrett on Monday 06 July 09 08:32 BST (UK)
Newbie
Per your reply #139
What actually became of Samuel the TAS, convict??
I have just had the most funny thought.
He didn't do his time then reappear  and claim HANNAH 1 again did he ???
Thus sending EDWARD bolting !
Sue
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Monday 06 July 09 08:34 BST (UK)
Charles and Elizabeth both died Bendigo.

Would it be possibe for someone to find out where Charles PAYNE died 1921 Stroud is buried.



Samuel Payne married a Emma HORMAN in 1849 Hobart and had another family.  I do not think he ever knew that Edward and Hannah had come to Australia.

My Charles PAYNE had a mother Hannah Payne. Not sure on the father.

Newbe

Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Monday 06 July 09 08:39 BST (UK)
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Charles and Elizabeth both died Bendigo.

totally  confused  here now  you  say  he died in Stroud so does  the NSW record

14709/1921  PAYNE  CHARLES  father SAMUEL   mother HANNAH  STROUD 

if he is in an  unmarked grave we won't be able  to  find  him

Jenn 
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 06 July 09 08:40 BST (UK)
Newbie
Per your reply #139
What actually became of Samuel the TAS, convict??
I have just had the most funny thought.
He didn't do his time then reappear  and claim HANNAH 1 again did he ???
Thus sending EDWARD bolting !
Sue

 :o   :o  :o

Now that would add yet another twist to this story!  ;D  ;D


Dee
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: sparrett on Monday 06 July 09 08:43 BST (UK)
Newbie,
Could you just revisit reply #132 and #133 and clarify what you think.
As Jenn says we are getting 2 sets of conflicting info here :D
Sue
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Monday 06 July 09 08:53 BST (UK)
Ok Girls,

There are twoCharles PAYNE's

The one I am interested in has a mother Hannah PAYNE. Not sure on the father as I said.

Now the other Charles PAYNE  who married Elizabeth was born Vic. The one I am interested in was born June q 1839  Kelsale, Suffolk England.

If I had a spare $$$ I would get the transcription of Charles Payne, 1921,  Stroud Father Samuel mother Hannah Then I would know where he is buried and if he married or not.

If you are confused so am I.

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: sparrett on Monday 06 July 09 09:30 BST (UK)
If you are confused so am I.

Newbe
 

Especially in light of your reply #88 ??? ???


May be time to let the dust settle a little :D
Sue
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Monday 06 July 09 09:32 BST (UK)
I think leave it for now and I will see if i can get the transcription from NSW  and then go from there.

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Monday 06 July 09 09:36 BST (UK)
Hi there,

I am also trying to find Charles PAYNE
He is Hannah's brother. He was born June Q 1839 Suffolk, England
I have found a death for him in 1921 ref 14709 Father Samuel Mother Hannah District Stroud.

I have no idea if he married or not. Will have to wait till end of month to get death transcription

I have looked at the Stroud Cemetery site and he is not there.

I had been told that he married a Elizabeth BURCELL but can find no marriage on NSW for them.

Can some one hellp me find his burial or other info please

Newbe

PS: Trying to tie up loose ends on this part of the family
I shall put that death to one side Jenn


I think I have confused myself and every one else as I had Elizabeth down for both Charles' wives. 
Mine was born 1839
the one in Vic was born 1856

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Monday 06 July 09 11:57 BST (UK)
Just letting you know I managed to get my lost BDM's from  Laurie with no problems
Have printed them out and am going to save them to a disk or usb stick so I do not loose them again.

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 06 July 09 12:03 BST (UK)
Great that you got them again with no trouble, Newbe......and yes.....copies of a different nature are a good idea!  ;D  ;D  ;D


dee  :D
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Monday 06 July 09 12:04 BST (UK)
Excellent Newbe,
so  when  you  have time  tell us about Charles Payne please

kind thoughts JEnn
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: sparrett on Monday 06 July 09 12:22 BST (UK)
Hi All,

Just letting you know I managed to get my lost BDM's from  Laurie with no problems

MMmm...

Well,  just goes to show we have some dilligent and excellent service providers in the Australian Genealogical network. Honest and thorough.
Sue
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Monday 06 July 09 12:26 BST (UK)
I've not had to use a NSW transcription agent yet.....but Newbe's experience is a very good recommendation, isn't it?  :D  :D


Dee                   
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Monday 06 July 09 22:22 BST (UK)
Hi Girls,

I sent an email to Hunter Valley group last night to find out where Charles PAYNE  is buried.

This is the following info:



NUM SURNAME GIVEN NAME AGE BURIAL DATE YEAR PLOT SECTION CEMETERY

9 PAYNE Charles 82 20-Jul 1921 9 CoE - A Stroud General
10 PAYNE Catherine 69 4-Aug 1920 10 CoE - A Stroud General

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Is Catherine his wife, buried in the next plot.


I was not sure on this info until I found this marriage below. Then I found Catherine’s death and then looked for children

3861(REF) 1875 PAYNE Charles KAY Catherine Port Stephens

15380(REF) 1920 PAYNE Catherine Robert Ann N Stroud

18972(REF) 1876 PAYNE Blanche Charles Catherine Port Stephens
20840(REF) 1878 PAYNE Mary Charles Catherine Port Stephens
15628(REF) 1881 PAYNE John Charles Charles Catherine Port Stephens


So, The Charles PAYNE that died in Stroud is my one. His mother Hannah, father Samuel.

The one that is in Victoria is Lizzie Olive PAYNE's father. Lizzie is the one that married a Joseph Harvey BUCKBY and is related through my BUCKBY line.

Let me know what you think

Newbe




Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Monday 06 July 09 22:52 BST (UK)
Have found some more info

John Charles PAYNE death
13933(REF) 1958 PAYNE John Charles
Father  Charles
Mother Catherine
District Hamilton
This could be his marriage as it is the only one I can find

22149(REF) 1945 PAYNE John Charles GILBERT Margaret Alice LISMORE

Death for Blanche
8371(REF) 1877 PAYNE Blanche
Father Charles
Mother Catherine
District Port Stephens

So many Mary PAYNE's to choose from so have not found her yet

Newbe

Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: sparrett on Tuesday 07 July 09 00:33 BST (UK)
Interesting things there newbie.

I've been wondering to myself at what stage did EDWARD decide that he needed a change, so I did a bit of trawl through Sands  directories and it is interesting.

Sands Sydney Commercial Dir.
 1858-9Coleman , Edward. Carpenter and Undertaker, Denison St. Netown

Sands Syd. Alphabetical Dir.
1863
Coleman Mrs HANNAH. Umbrella Maker. 115 King Street
Sands Syd. Trades and Proffessions Dir.
1863 (same year as above)
Coleman, Mrs HANNAH, Undertaker, 115 King Street

Sands Syd. Alphabetical
1867
 Coleman, Mrs Hannah Umbrella Maker 117 King Street

Sands Syd Alphabetical Dir.
1873
Coleman C. umbrella maker, 117 King Street

Looks like he may have gone quite early!
And looks like Charles may have stuck to Mum throughout.

All too easy to speculate I guess.

Sue
Now just adding why would Charles be calling himself COLEMAN?
Maybe not your Charles afterall, but CAROLINE?
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Tuesday 07 July 09 00:43 BST (UK)
Very interesting indeed.

Thanks for that info Sue.

From memory there is something about the Coleman family in the Stroud early settlers book. I do not have a copy of it but do have some info somwhere in a folder I think.

Newbe



Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Tuesday 07 July 09 00:55 BST (UK)
It looks like the family moved around a bit.

Edward and Hannah's daughter Caroline Coleman  died 1856 St George District,
At some stage they moved to Port Stephens, then onto Stroud.

Can I ask a favour Sue or anyone else,

Can you check the Sands Directories and see if there is a Charles PAYNE and a Catherine Payne living at the same address.

This would give me something to work on

Newbe



Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: sparrett on Tuesday 07 July 09 01:00 BST (UK)
Hi Newbie,
The directories usually give only one name at  an address if it is  a married couple, and it will be the husband's
Usually only single women were listed in their own name if they wished to be.

I can look for Charles, but where do you want them looked up and about what years?

Sue

Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Tuesday 07 July 09 01:02 BST (UK)
All I know so far is he married 1875 Port Stephens District
He died in 1921 in Stroud

This is all the info I have

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Tuesday 07 July 09 01:14 BST (UK)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=305457.msg2623995;topicseen#msg2623995

There is a birth record for a Edward Coleman in the above link

I have asked them if they know how I would order it to see if it is my one

Newbe

PS: Thought I would add the link here
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: sparrett on Tuesday 07 July 09 03:06 BST (UK)
I don't have access to country directories before  1897.
So cannot check out of Sydney till then.

I did find this interesting family cluster on the 1870-1871 electoral roll in the Williams Division.
Coleman, Charles. Gloucester Rd. Residence. Karuah
Coleman, Edward. Stroud. freehold. Karuah
Coleman, Isaac, Gloucester Rd. Residence. Karuah
Coleman William. Johnson's Creek. leasehold. Johnson's Creek.

No sign of Charles Payne in that district.

Sue
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Tuesday 07 July 09 03:20 BST (UK)
That's ok Sue,

Will have to wait until I get that death transcription for Charles PAYNE then and see what that has to say.

Thanks for all your help

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Friday 10 July 09 22:37 BST (UK)
Newbe, did you  also follow  on  with  the other son George Payne ?


Jenn

Hi Jenn,

Sorry for not answering this question of your's

No I have not followed up on George Payne

1851 Census

Residing at 48 St Helena Place, Clerkenwell, Middlesex
Ref: HO 107/1517

Edward COLEMAN    Head   Married    Aged 27 Occ Carpenter Born Gilbratar, British Subject
Hannah COLEMAN    Wife    Married    Aged 39 Born Bayton, Suffolk
Charles COLEMAN    Son     Aged  11   Born Bayton, Suffolk
Caroline COLEMAN   Dau    Aged   8     Born Helsall, Suffolk
Isaac COLEMAN        Son    Aged   6     Born Helsall, Suffolk
William COLEMAN     Son    Aged  3       Born  Clerkenwell,  Middlesex
Mary A COLEMAN      Dau    Aged  1      Born  Clerkenwell,  Middlesex
George PAYNE          Son-in-law    Aged 19 Tailor  Born Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk

There is also info on this link as well that may be of interest
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,305651.0.html

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Monday 13 July 09 13:29 BST (UK)
I've found the marriage!!

Edward Coleman born Gibralter married Hannah Lainson born Suffolk in .....wait for it......1883!

Ref = 2209


Glad your Uncle helped out and its made your days!  :D  :D


Dee

Have just ordered marriage image and downloaded it.

Will let you know what it says in the morning

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: tropicalj on Monday 13 July 09 22:02 BST (UK)
Oh  now  won't it be interesting :o

Jenn
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Monday 13 July 09 22:44 BST (UK)
Well I do not  know what to make of it.

Edward Coleman told some porkies

He said that he was a Batcholer which was not true as he was still married to Hannah 1
He said he was 59 yrs old ie born 1824
Hannah 2  49 born 1834
So their age is correct

Parents for Edward were John COLEMAN and Rachel
Parents for Hannah were Samuel  PAYNE and Hannah PAYNE
Yes Hannah's maiden name was also PAYNE

They married on 7 June 1883 Berkley St Carlton

Newbe

Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Monday 13 July 09 23:18 BST (UK)
Just a query,

Do I need Alfred Lainson death image from Victoria to see if it has more info to help.

Am not sure.

Have ordered Alfred Lainson and Hannah Payne's marriage transcription from 1855

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Monday 13 July 09 23:21 BST (UK)
Interesting to note the witness to the marriage for Edward and Hannah 2 was Hannah's sone William Lainson and Helen Lainson his wife

Newbe

PS: I wonder if they knew he was their step grandfather ::)
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: sparrett on Monday 13 July 09 23:51 BST (UK)
Hi Newbe,
To me the most interesting thing about the marriage certificate is his statement that he was a Batchelor.

This implies that Hannah 2 was very well aware of the full circumstances of the marriage she was entering.
If he had said Widower, I could believe that he told his new bride that her mother had died in NSW or some other such tale, but to say Batchelor clearly says that she was in full knowledge of the facts. ???
Sue
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Monday 13 July 09 23:59 BST (UK)
Thanks Sue for your imput

Very interseting indeed

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: deeiluka on Tuesday 14 July 09 09:18 BST (UK)
Oh my goodness.....what a skeleton to have unearthed in the closet, Newbie! A batchelor indeed!  :o  ;D


Dee   :D
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Tuesday 14 July 09 11:26 BST (UK)
Thanks Dee

As my uncle said in his email today

Quote
The pattern is slowly beginning to emerge. Many thanks.
 

As they say the plot thickens

newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Thursday 23 July 09 02:42 BST (UK)
I have just received a copty of Charles PAYNE's death transcription from a lady in Australia who I helped do some lookups for here in NZ

This is what it had to say.

Reg No: 14709
Date of death: 20 July 1921
Place of death: Stroud, Stroud Shire
Name: Charles PAYNE
Occupation: Carpenter
Sex: Male
Age: 82
Cause of death: Arteriosclerosis, Cerebral Haemorrhage
Duration: 4 days
Medical attendant: R.Fitzherbert 19 July 1921
Father: Samuel Payne
Father's Occupation: Butcher
Mother- Maiden Name: Hannah Payne
Informant: J.C. Payne, Son, Stroud, Registered 20 July 1921 Stroud
When Buried: 21 July 1921
Where: Church of England, Stroud
Undertaker: F. G. Redman
Minister: Robert G. Knox
Religon: Church of England
Witnesses: J.F. Daunt A.F. McNeill
Where Born: Kelsale, England
Time in Colony/State: 69 Years in New South Wales
Place married: Stroud, New South Wales
Age at marrage: 35
Spouse: Catherine Kay
Children of Marriage: Mary 42, John.C 40 Living
One female deceased

Regards
Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Thursday 30 July 09 00:19 BST (UK)
Have just received Edward Coleman's  birth cert that I ordered on the 16 July.
It has his date of birth as 14/11/1824 and baptised on 22/11/1824 Parents John Coleman and Rachel Coleman no maiden name.

Rank of father was Private

Chaplain was R.G. Curtois B.D. Chaplan to the forces

Place of Birth Gibraltar

7 Pounds = 19 Dollars NZD  Money well spent

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 02 August 09 10:23 BST (UK)
Have also received Hannah Coleman's death transcription today.


Name: Hannah Coleman
Date of death: 8/12/1893
Place: Telegherry, District of Gloucester, NSW
Occupation: Nil
Sex: Female
Age: 83
Conjugal Status:
Place of Birth: England
Time in Aust Colonies: 39 Years in NSW
Father: George Payne
Occupation: Farmer
Mother: Unknown
Place of Marriage 1 England                2 England
Age at marriage:    18                           31
Name of Spouse: Samuel Payne            Edawrd Coleman
Children of Marriage: 1 Hannah 58, Charles 53    2, Isaac 49, William E 47 Mary Ann 44

Informant: Certified in writing by Isaac Coleman, Son, Stroud

Cauase of death: Apoplexy
Length of Illness: 40 hours
Medical Attendant: Dr Finlay
Date last Seen: 6/12/1893

Date of Burial: 9/12/1893
Place of Burial: Church of England Cemetery, Stroud
Minister & religion: G F Rushforth, Church of England
Undrtaker: Charles Coleman
Witnesses:  William Moore, George Masters

Registered 9/12/1983

Newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: sparrett on Sunday 02 August 09 11:46 BST (UK)
Hi Newbe,
Thanks for posting these important details.  It is great to see that overall, the findings of the team here have been on the mark :D

The step you have taken in purchasing the documents is a true sign of your enthusiasm and, as well, it gives you a truly sound verification of events.

Will continue to watch with interest.

Cannot help but be intrgued by this...

Undrtaker: Charles Coleman

I remember posting facts of COLEMAN... undertakers.... in the Sydney Alphabetical Directories way back in a thread on the search for Hannah :)
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW
Post by: newbe_nz on Sunday 02 August 09 11:51 BST (UK)
Thanks Sue,

I have Hannah daughter's Caroline death transcription , and her son's Isaac and William Edward Coleman's ones as well

Will post detalis tomorrow

Poor Caroline was burnt to death not sure by what or how  but length of illness was 15 days

newbe
Title: Re: Edward COLEMAN - NSW - COMPLETED
Post by: darkiesgirl on Monday 26 August 19 06:41 BST (UK)
Hi Newbe
Do you have any information on Hannah Jr born circa 1834. Arrived Australia 1854