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Hi there,
I am still trying to find out when my Edward COLEMAN died. He was married to a Hannah PAYNE in the UK. I have their marriage cert. I did have Hannah death printout somewhere but am unable to locate it at present.
Edward COLEMAN parents were John COLEMAN and Rachel Unknown (do not have a surname for her at present)
Edward's wife Hannah died 8/12/1893 Stroud, NSW. Have checked this out and Edward is not buried with her. I have tried to look on the BDM site online but do not see a match there.
I have emailed my uncle to see if it says that Edward was still alive when Hannah died or not.
I thought it would tell me on one of his sons death cert if they were both deceased but does not tell me that iinfo. Would be of help if it did.
I do have other threads on other parts of this family but it is just Edwards death that i am trying to find.
Any help would be welcomed
Newbe
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Newbe, do you know when Edward Coleman was born, or how long he had been in NSW?
Dee
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Sorry for not Putting this in the first post
Edward was born abt 1820 Gribraltar (looks like the spelling on the immigrants list)
The famliy arrived on the Anglo Saxon 21 October 1854.
With the following children
Edward was 34 Husband
Hannah 42 Wife
Hannah 20
Charles 15
Both of these children were under the PAYNE surname
Caroline 12
Isaac 9
William 7 my second great grandfather
Mary Ann 4
Newbe
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Thanks, Newbe. That eliminates the Edward Coleman who died in NSW in 1910, no parents listed, who had either been in Kempsey for 77 years or was aged 77 years.....I'm not sure which.
I can't see hs death in NSW either, and I've tried some spelling variations. :-\
dee
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Found it, I think! :D :D
In Victoria.....
Edw Coleman aged 76 died in 1900 at Prn
Parents = Jno Coleman and Rachel Unknown
Ref = 6889
Dee :D :D
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Thanks Dee,
I had wondered if it was the one with unknown parents but again am not sure.
1893/11679 Coleman Edward, Unknown, Unknown, Parramatta
Again am not sure, but I do not think this is my one either.
So far I am at a loss to find him. I wonder (now this is me just thinking out loud) if the informant knew the parents names or not.
Newbe
PS: Looks like it Dee. Would have to find $$$$$ to get cert. Don't have any till end of month unless my uncle gets it for me
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Interesting Dee,
I wonder what would make him go to Victoria?
I have no idea
Newbe
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No idea, Newbe....but I guess he had his reasons. :-\
You know you can get a digital image of the certificate online, don't you? It still needs dollars, but is much cheaper than getting a paper copy.
Dee :D :D
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Thanks Dee,
Yes I know you can get copy on line. Have done that before with other family members in Vic.
I guess the only way to find out if it is my Edward is to get the digital copy. Then I will know for sure.
Thanks for all your help on this Dee
Newbe ;D
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Glad to have been of help, Newbe. :D
Dee
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Found it, I think! :D :D
In Victoria.....
Edw Coleman aged 76 died in 1900 at Prn
Parents = Jno Coleman and Rachel Unknown
Ref = 6889
Dee :D :D
What does Prn stand for and is there a list of abbreviations for Victoria BDM any where
Would just make life a little easier for one in NZ
Newbe
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It's an abbreviation for Prahran.
There are several websites that list the placenames and their abbreviations.....here's one listed by Cora Num on
http://www.coraweb.com.au/bdmau.htm
http://myweb.westnet.com.au/talltrees/resources/vic_abbr.htm
The Cora Num website is well worth saving if you don't already have it, Newbe......lots of wonderful links for Australia and other places as well.
Dee
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Thanks Dee,
Shall save the link in my favourites.
Newbe ;D
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How would I go about finding a cemetery for his burial as am not sure which ones to look at.
Will not be able to get digital death printout until end of month
Am googling to find out and am not sure
Thanks
Newbe
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Ahhh, there are others on here who are much better at finding Victorian burials than I am, Newbe....so hopefully they will pick up on this thread and see if they can help you out.
Dee
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Thanks Dee,
Shall wait and see what others can find.
Tried St Kilda no luck
Tried Springvale no luck
Tried Fawkner no luck either
Shall keep looking
Newbe
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Melbourne General Cemetery is another possibility. No online records, however I have always received very prompt replies to my grave location queries from
mgc[at]necropolis.com.au
If he is buried there, then there is no transcribed MI for a headstone.
Cheers
Cando
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Thanks Cando,
Will try that and find out.
Newbe
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Hi Dee, Cando and others
I have just received the image of Edward's death from my uncle a few minutes ago.
Edward died on 27 May 1900 and was buried at Meblourne Cemetery on 28 May 1900
Can some one look for a marriage for Edward COLEMAN do a Anna LAINS...
Am not able to make out last bit of surname. 2nd marriage Carlton, Victoria
No issue to second marriage.
This had made my day after searching about 9 years between my uncle and myself.
Have to work later so no bubbles to drink
Newbe
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I've found the marriage!!
Edward Coleman born Gibralter married Hannah Lainson born Suffolk in .....wait for it......1883!
Ref = 2209
Glad your Uncle helped out and its made your days! :D :D
Dee
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Thanks Dee,
Very interesting. I wonder if Edward COLEMAN and Hannah COLEMAN nee PAYNE divorced then. Hannah COLEMAN nee PAYNE died 1893.
I wonder when this second Hannah died?
I heard back form Melbourne Cemetery and Edward COLEMAN is the only one in his grave. No one else is buried with him
Newbe
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That was a wonderfully quick response from the Melbourne cemetery, Newbe..... :D
I'm searching for Hannah's death but nothing substantial as yet..... :-\
Dee
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Hi
I cannot see a divorce for EDWARD & HANNAH 1 in NSW or Victoria before the marriage to HANNAH 2
Sue
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Thanks everyone,
As you will see in my first post hannah 1 died 1893 Stroud, NSW it is interseting to see that no divorce is/ has being found yet.
I wonder if they did divorce at all.
Mught have to get Edward and Hannah 2 mariage image and see what that has to say
Newbe
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Should note of course, newbie, the divorce records in NSW start 1873, so something may have been done before that.
Sue
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Might also be a case of the old desertion bit of seven years apart and consider you are able to remarry. ??? :-\
My ggg-grandmother did that after her hubbie departed for the Victorian goldfields and was never heard of again! :D :D
Dee
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I'm having no luck with Hannah/Anna's death as yet. When you can afford the marriage cert for Hannah and Edward, that may help in identifying if she had been married before. Maybe Lainson was not her maiden name. :-\
There's a couple of Hannah Coleman deaths with unidentified parents, but of course they are no help! >:( ;D
Dee
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Thanks Sue and Dee,
This is food for thought. I guess it could be a case of dessertion. I also guess Edward had his reasons why he went to Victoria as well.
Newbe
PS: might have to find her birth in Suffolk and see when she was born
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This is the only one I can find on Free BDM
March q 1855
Lainson Hannah
Halifax 9a 385
But I don't think it is my one
Edward's second wife was 55 years old when he died
Newbe
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Looks like this Hannah/Anna Lainson was born abt 1845
I wonder when she left the UK to come out to Australia
Newbe
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Edward's wife Hannah died 8/12/1893 Stroud, NSW. Have checked this out and Edward is not buried with her. I have tried to look on the BDM site online but do not see a match there
Hope you will not mind me asking, but are you perfectly certain this is the right Hannah.?
Indexed with father George and mother not known. Correct?
Do you have the certificate [You do refer to a "print out"]
Sue
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Yes Sue,
I did have a printout but have missplace it.
Yes Hannah 1 Parents were George PAYNE and Unknown were written on it
Yes I am certain that is the correct one as my uncle has the printout and I am going to get myself another copy at the end ot the month
Newbe
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The marriage certificate for Edward and Hannah 1 has:
Edward COLEMAN father John COLEMAN does not have wife's name
Hannah PAYNE father George PAYNE does not have wife's name
Edward and Hannah 1 were married on 28 July 1844
The parish of Bungay St Mary, Suffolk, England
Newbe
Edit: had the year wrong have corrected it to 1844 as you can now see
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I take it the death cert image for Edward Coleman has both wives listed? ???
Dee
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First wife is unknown unknown but has London England which is close enough
Second wife is listed as Anna Lainson Carlton, Victoria, 55 years
So does that mean Anna/Hannah was 55 whe she married Edward ???
Under the childrens names it say supposed to be alive.
Isaac died 1902 and William died 1908
I have William's death certificate in front of me
Newbe
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So does that mean Anna/Hannah was 55 whe she married Edward NEWBIE
No, if it is on his death certificate, it means that is her age at his death.
Sue
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Thanks Sue
So if she was 55 years when he died and she married him in 1883 then she was 38 years old.
Newbe
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Interesting this is
Alfred LAinson and Hannah PAYNE had several children in Victoria
now Alfred died in 1870
So wondering if this is the Hannah that married Edward Coleman
Girls, what are your thoughts on this
Jenn
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There are also births to Alfred an Hannah in NSW.
The marriage was in NSW in 1855.
Jenn
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This is getting more confusing all the time, Jenn! ;D
It's certainly proving a challenge.
Poor Newbe won't want to go to work! ;D
Dee
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I found a marriage for Alfred Lainson in the district of West London in 1847. Choice of brides are Ann HUNT or Ann Tye
Not Payne though...... :-\
It's the only marraige searching Lains*
You'll understand why when you read on! ::) ;D
Dee
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Dee you are confused :o as I said the marriage was in NSW ;)
Jenn
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Newbe,
who was the informant on Edwards death certificate please
Jenn
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Dee you are confused :o as I said the marriage was in NSW ;)
Jenn
::) ;D
Time I took a break, I think..... :-\
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Dee,,
I shall throw this into the mix!!!!
Hannah Payne arrived aged 20 in 1854 with her Mother and probably her stepfather Edward Coleman...... she then marries Alfred Lainson and has several children in NSW and Victoria..... Alfred Dies in Victoria and she marries her stepfathr Edward in 1883 :o :o
Jenn
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SNAP Jenn!
I was about to PM you with that very thought! :o
Only thing I was wondering about was the age discrepancies.....but we all know how distorted they can be on certificates and passengers lists.
Dee
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First wife is unknown unknown but has London England which is close enough
Second wife is listed as Anna Lainson Carlton, Victoria, 55 years
So does that mean Anna/Hannah was 55 whe she married Edward ???
Under the childrens names it say supposed to be alive.
Isaac died 1902 and William died 1908
I have William's death certificate in front of me
Newbe
If we are referring to Edward's death certificate, the age would refer to Edward when he married Anna/Hannah.
It us usual to have it something like this isn't it?
Married to ****
Where ****
Age **
Now I'll go back to where I came from :P
Cando
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Cando
My thoughts exactly the age usually refers to the person whose certificate it is, does that sound the right way to put it?
Jenn
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Dee,
by the arrival age he was born 1820 so was 63 in 1883 but as you say ages vary so much on different certificates
Jenn
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found this death in Victoria
COLEMAN Hannah died aged 76 in 1910 at St Kilda
father Payne mother unknown reg no 14496
Birth then 1834c which ties on with Hannah arriving in 1854 aged 20 :o
Jenn
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I think I've found Hannah Coleman's death..... aged 78 at St K in 1910....Father PAYNE, Mother Hannah UNKNOWN
Ref = 14496
Dee ....wiping brow...... :o
Oh Snap again Jenn! ;D
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No burial record at Fawkner, Springvale, St Kilda and if she is at Melbourne General, no headstone.
It looks either buy the image of the reg or send an email to Melbourne General.
Cheers
Cando
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Now methinks that maybe we are not far from the truth :o
Alfred Lainson arrived in NSW
yes you guessed it in 1854 on the Anglo Saxon.
too much of a coincidence
Jenn
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Think we might have cracked it.....but Newbie will have to check when she can manage the certificate
. ;)
Dee
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And another factor in this is the marriage of Hannah Lainson to Edward Coleman says she was born in Suffolk which is where both Hannah's were born
Jenn
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That was one of the first two "coincidences"....both being hannah from Suffolk! :D
Dee
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Hi all,
marries her stepfathr Edward in 1883
Has anyone looked at this death .
Here is the burial.
Cemetery St Kilda Cemetery
Given Names HANNAH
Surname COLMAN
Date of Service 10/10/1883
Age 76
Burial Type BURIAL
Location Details Church of England - Monumental Grave Compt C Grave 674
This memorial is held in perpetuity - for all time.
Age a few years out for Hannah on the ship ;)
Sue
Have just got home so hope I have taken in the new material correctly. Sorry if........not
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Sue, we did find a death for Hannah Coleman father Payne
the one you have just mentioned father was Lancaster
kind thoughts Jenn
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Mm..
Had a feeling I might have been reading a bit too quickly there ;)
S.
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Well girls, I went to work so was unable to answer your questions till now.
That marriage you found for Hannah Payne in 1855 could be the daughter from Hannah's first marriage to Samuel Payne in the UK.
Looks like informant was some sort of agent in Bridge Road, Richmond
Can't read the first bit and thought about attaching it but am not able to figure out how to do it with a PDF yet.
Newbe
PS: Have mot read all of this thread yet but answering the bit near 3: 35 pm NZ time
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Keep reading, Newbie! :D :D :D
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I am Dee,
this is getting very interesting ;D
newbe
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Now this Hannah PAYNE that you found a marriage for in 1855 sounds like one for the daughter of Samuel PAYNE and Hannah PAYNE born abt 1835 in Kelsale, Suffolk, England.
Now I have nothing on her at all as I have not started my search for her yet.
Does this mean I am sending another email to melbourne General Cemetery?
newbe
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I wonder how many more certificates am I going to get.
I already have about ten to get from NSW so this is going to cost a bit for my pocket by the look of it
Newbe
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We think Hannah Payne, daughter of Hannah Payne married Alfred Lainson in Sydney. They came out on the same ship.
Then we found ......
Alfred's death in Victoria in 1870,
Hannah Lainson appearing to marry stepfather Edward Coleman in 1883,
Hannah Coleman dying in 1910
It is her death that it might be worth enquiring about at the Melbourne Cemetery.
But the only way you may prove that all of this will be Hannah's first marriage certificate and her death certificate. :-\
It can get rather costly, this family history hobby..... :-\
Dee
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your telling me Dee,
I still have lots to get here in NZ.
But will get them one at a time.
The ones I am getting in NSW should be good as found a transcription agent who gives discount for ten more in one order ;D
Newbe
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Oh that's good, Newbie.
I've just remembered another webiste to check out. Just cross your fingers, but don't get your hopes up too high. ;)
Dee
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Ok so this is the marrriage for Hannah PAYNE to Alfred LAINSON V1855114 86/1855
IA (Wesleyan Methodist Church , Sydney)
Newbe
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No luck I'n afraid.....I was hoping to save you the cost of a certificate. :-\
I haven't checked that marriage personally, Newbie....Jenn did that.
Dee
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Thanks Dee,
Thank you to Jenn and all the others for their imput as well.
I see four children to Alfred and Hannah.
I see there are also children in Victoria as well
Could someone write the names down for me please
newbe
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No worries......I'll do it now...... :D
Dee
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These are the four children to Alfred and Hannah LAINSON
3817(REF) 1857 LAINSON WILLIAM ALFRED HANAH ST GEORGE
3920 (REF) 1859 LAINSON CHARLES C ALFRED HANNAH ST GEORGE
3914 (REF) 1861 LAINSON AGNES ALFRED HANAH ST GEORGE
4011 (REF) 1863 LAINSON ADA H ALFRED HANAH ST GEORGE
Have noted the way Hannah's name is spelt as well
Newbe
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Thanks Dee :D
Newbe
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Here's what I've found so far for Hannah PAYNE and Alfred LAINSON......
Alice Mary LAINSON born in 1865 in MELB
Ref = 17043
She died aged 4 months in 1865,birth place then given as CARL
Ref = 9493
Clara Ann LAINSON born in 1865 in MELB
Ref = 17044
She died aged 1 year in 1866, birth palce given as CARL. And her mother was given as Emma Payne. (A mistake I expect)
Ref = 11116
Clara Ellen LAINSON born in 1867 in MELBOURNE
Ref = 16465
Eva Louisa LAINSON born in 1869 in COLLINGWOOD
Ref = 21678
Ida Hannah LAINSON aged 23 died in 1886, birthplace given as CARL LYIN
Ref = 8532
Still searching......
Dee
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Thanks Dee,
Your one in a million ;D
Shall wait for more 8)
Newbe
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Some deaths......
Helen Clara SELKING aged 39 born Brswk died in 1907
Father = Alfd LAINSON & Mother = Hannah PAYNE
Ref = 3795
Father = Alfred LAINSON & Mother = Hannah PAYNE for the three following deaths…..
Wm LAINSON aged 69 died in 1927 at
Father: Lainson Alfred
Ref =11808
Agnes CONSTABLE aged 80 died in 1841 in EWICK
Ref = 8914
Eva Louisa BROADBENT aged 88 died in 1958 in COBU
Ref = 11028
Dee
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Thanks Dee
Newbe ;D
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One marriage....there may be more, but my eyes are packing it in tonight.....someone else might find some more, or I'll have a look in the morning.
Eva Louisa LAINSON born COLLINGWOOD married Arth Ernest BROADBENT born COLAC in 1889
Ref = 8358
It's been a successful team hunt today! :D :D
Goodnight.....
Dee :D
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Leave it for tonight then Dee,
This has been a very good day all round
I did not think we would get this far at all
Sleep well
I am off soon to to the world of nod ;D
Newbe
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Just hunting up a few burials to tidy things up.
At Fawkner and Coburg.
Together.
Coburg Cemetery C. of E. Comp. A Gve 259
Clara Helen SLKRING (sic)interred 30/3/1907 aged 39
Francis Robert SELKRIG (sic) 23/12/1940 aged 88
Eva Louise Broadbent 25/8/1958 aged 88
Fawkner Crem/Cem
William LAINSON 8/9/1927 aged 69 Cong. Comp B. Gve.238 .
Ida Hannah LAINSON aged 23 died in 1886, birthplace given as CARL LYIN
In case you were not aware CARL LYIN is the abbreviated name for the Carlton Lying in Hospital , in other words, Maternity.
Now the Royal Womens'
http://www.thewomens.org.au/OurHistory
Sue
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Hi Sue,
Thank you so much for this info. I have so much to add to my tree now.
Cheers
newbe
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I am just doing up details of the children of Alfred Lainson and Hannah Payne
wil post in a few minutes
Jenn
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Thanks Jenn,
Newbe
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LAINSON Alfred died in 1870 place of birth given as London
Reg no 3924 Father William mother Elizabeth unknown
Alfred and Hannah Payne had the following children
In NSW at St George
William 1857
Charles C 1859
Agnes 1861
Ada H 1863 died a s Ida H Lainson in 1886 aged 23 reg no 8532
Then in Victoria
Alice Mary 1865 reg no 17043 died aged 4 months in 1865 regno 9493
Clara Ann 1865 reg no 17044 died aged 1 in 1866 reg no 11116
Clara Ellen 1867 reg no 16465
Eva Louisa 1869 reg no 21678
Marriages of their children
Agnes LAINSON married William Job CONSTABLE born Melbourne in 1876 reg no 1154
Children
Unnamed Male 1876 reg no 18516
Francis Hedley 1878 reg no 24171 died in 1883 aged 4 reg 1040
Archibald Geo 1880 regno 10135
CONSTABLE Agnes died aged 80 in 1941 at Ewick reg no 8914
Father AlfredLainson mother Hannah Payne
William LIANSON born Sydney married Ellen LIDDLE born Castlemaine in 1881 reg no 5677
They had the following children at Collingwood Victoria
Agnes Ada Ellen 1882 reg no 15153
Alfred Liddle1883 reg no 22804 died 1884 reg no 8421
Ellen Margaret Caroline 1886 reg no 9356
Eva Elizth 1888 reg no 2181 died 1881 reg no 1604
William 1889 reg no 20635Event: B
Charles Lachlan 1891 North Fitzroy reg no 22634
Phil Stanley 1893 reg no 31463 died 1895 reg no 1621
Clarice Hazel 1895 reg no 20633
Leonard Baden 1900 reg no 18805
LAINSON Ellen died in 1925 aged 63 at Melbourne East father James Liddle mother Ellen Drummond rg no 14405
LAINSON William died in 1927 aged 69 at Ncote
Father Alfred Lainson mother Hannah Payne reg no 11808
Clara Ellen LAINSON born Carl married Francis SELKRIG born Fitzroy
Children to this couple
Francis Robt 1889 reg no 12311
Maggie Nathalie 1891 reg no 11386
Reginald William 1894 rg no 9745
Alfred George 1897 reg no 9127
Gladys Vera 1899 reg no 24695
Dorothy May 1902 reg no 8450
Nellie Clarice 1906 reg no 8631
SELKING Helen Clara died in 1907 at Brunsick reg no 3795
Father Alfred Lainson mother Hannah Payne
LAINSON Eva Louisa born Collingwood married Arther Ernest BROADBENT born Colac in 1889 reg no 8358
Children
Alfred George born 1891 reg no 9935 at Brunswick died in 1957 reg no 3924
BROADBENT Eva Louisa died aged 88 in 1958 at Coburg reg no 11028
Father Alfred Lainson mother Hannah Payne
COLEMAN Hannah died aged 76 in 1910 at St Kilda
father Payne mother unknown reg no 14496
apogies for any doubling up of information
no sign of Charles Lainson born 1859 in NSW for a death or marriage in Victoria
Jenn
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Thank you so much Jenn,
This is a lot of info to go through. I shall add it to my file of other info from this thread.
Newbe
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Just hunting up a few burials to tidy things up.
At Fawkner and Coburg.
Together.
Coburg Cemetery C. of E. Comp. A Gve 259
Clara Helen SLKRING (sic)interred 30/3/1907 aged 39
Francis Robert SELKRIG (sic) 23/12/1940 aged 88
Eva Louise Broadbent 25/8/1958 aged 88
Fawkner Crem/Cem
William LAINSON 8/9/1927 aged 69 Cong. Comp B. Gve.238 .
Ida Hannah LAINSON aged 23 died in 1886, birthplace given as CARL LYIN
In case you were not aware CARL LYIN is the abbreviated name for the Carlton Lying in Hospital , in other words, Maternity.
Now the Royal Womens'
http://www.thewomens.org.au/OurHistory
Sue
Hi Sue,
No I was not aware of that. Thanks for letting me know
Newbe
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There is this death in NSW
reg no 10752/1931
LAINSON CHARLES C father WILLIAM william HANNAH
which I feel could be a strong possibility
Jenn
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On the 1930 Electoral Roll
Charles Coleman LAINSON bricklayer at 126 Young Street Redfern.
not on the 1936 Roll
With the middle name of Coleman one could no doubt assume this is indeed Charles C LAINSON
any thoughts re this at all?
Jenn
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Hi there,
I am also trying to find Charles PAYNE
He is Hannah's brother. He was born June Q 1839 Suffolk, England
I have found a death for him in 1921 ref 14709 Father Samuel Mother Hannah District Stroud.
I have no idea if he married or not. Will have to wait till end of month to get death transcription
I have looked at the Stroud Cemetery site and he is not there.
I had been told that he married a Elizabeth BURCELL but can find no marriage on NSW for them.
Can some one hellp me find his burial or other info please
Newbe
PS: Trying to tie up loose ends on this part of the family
I shall put that death to one side Jenn
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On the 1930 Electoral Roll
Charles Coleman LAINSON bricklayer at 126 Young Street Redfern.
not on the 1936 Roll
With the middle name of Coleman one could no doubt assume this is indeed Charles C LAINSON
any thoughts re this at all?
Jenn
Sounds promising Jenn. Guess this might be another one to add to the list to get
Any one else with ideas on this ???
Newbe
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Maybe we can find a little more on Charles C Lainson, Newbie.......we can but try...... ;D ;D
Here's a little additional information on the Selkrigs.....
Fran Robt SELKRIG aged 82 died in 1940 at SUNBURY
Parents unknown.
Ref = 22223
Cause of death for Francis R SELKRIG was Cardio Vascular Degeneration
Inquest 21st Dec 1940
Ref = 1576
Reginald Wm SELKRIG aged 58 died in 1952 at OAKL
Father = Frank SELKRIG & Mother = Nellie LAINSON
Ref = 11584
Cause of death for Reginald W SELKRIG was Struck By Car
Inquest 24th Sep 1952:
Ref = 1500
Alfred George SELKRIG aged 76 died in 1973 at BRUN
Father = Francis Robert SELKRIG & Mother= Clarice Elle LAINSON
Ref = 13941
.....dee :D
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there is this marriage in Victoria
PAYNE Charles born Sandhurst
married Eliz BURCHELL born Sandhurst in 1880 reg no 3556
I have seen instances of errors in the birthplace.
Jenn
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Children in Victoria born to Charles Payne and Elizabeth Burchell
Emily 1883 Sandhurst reg no 12171
Joseph Charles 1881 Sandhurst reg no 12141
William James 1884 Sandhurst reg no 20349
Jenn
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Jenn, here's the birth of Alfred George Selkrig....thought you might like to add it to your list of births to the various Lainson children .
Alf Geo SELKRIG born in 1897 at BRNWCK
Father = Francis SELKRIG & Mother = Clara Ellen LANISON
Ref =9127
Dee :D
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Thank you Jenn, Dee, Sue, Cando for all your help.
I would not have got this far without you
Thanks Jenn for the marriage and children
Thanks Dee for the other info
Newbe
PS: more info while I type this up ;D
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Jenn, here's the birth of Alfred George Selkrig....thought you might like to add it to your list of births to the various Lainson children .
Alf Geo SELKRIG born in 1897 at BRNWCK
Father = Francis SELKRIG & Mother = Clara Ellen LANISON
Ref =9127
Dee :D
Will do Dee
also Maybe we can find a little more on Charles C Lainson, Newbie.......we can but try......
What did you feel about Charles Coleman LAINSON
Jenn
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It's a very likely possibility, Jenn......but guess there's only one real way of proving it..... :D
Dee
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Sounds like I might have to get Charles Coleman LAINSON's death printout to be sure it is the same one
newbe
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Am also thinking that i need to compile a list of certificates that I need to get now and ones to leave for later.
what do others think ???
Newbe
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I think that's what I'd do, Newbe.....I'd make a list of all the certificates you wish you could have......then go through it and make a second list of the ones that are most important to your research.
It's what most of us have to do. ;)
Dee
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Thanks Dee,
Shall do that and add it to thread.
Back later with list
Newbe
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Some records that don't cost...... ;)
Alfred George Selkrig and Reginald Wiilaim Selkrig, sons of Clara Ellen Lainson and Francis Robert Selkrig, were in World War 1. Their service records are available to view /save at
http://www.naa.gov.au/
So is that of Alfred George Broadbent, son of Eva May Lainson and Arthur Ernest Broadbent.
Dee
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Thanks Dee ;D
Shall have a look
newbe 8)
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Newbe,
yes it would be nice to have every crtificate but that is just not practible unless you are very very financial and can afford the money.
So I know I have had to limit muself and only buy ones that verify or lead to further discoveries.
The death of Charles C Lianson is to my way of thinking not a top priority. ;D
Now back in the thread I asked you for who was the informant on the death certificate of EDWARD COLEMAN ?
thanks Jenn
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Looks like informant was some sort of agent in Bridge Road, Richmond
Can't read the first bit and thought about attaching it but am not able to figure out how to do it with a PDF yet.
Newbe
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Have sent email to Melbourne General Cemetery to find out about Hannah Colman/Coleman died 1910
Will wait and see what they have first
Newbe
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Just browsing about re. your Selkrig line on this cold Melbourne afternoon.
I noted in ALFRED GEORGE's war file that he married DAISY GLADYS MACKNESS in London during the war in 1919.
Sadly she died in 1935 and is buried at Fawkner aged only 37.
A good many other Selkrig's are at Fawkner too.
Sue
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Thanks Sue,
Yes it is a cold afternoon in Christchurch, NZ too
Am off to work soon so will see what else you cpome up with when I get home
Newbe
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Hi there,
Have received a copy of Hannah Coleman's death image from the uncle.
Now it is very hard to read so have sent it to Jenn to work out.
Now she was in NSW 3 years and Victoria 49 years
Informant was son-in-law ....... Broadbent
Buried at Melbourne cemetery
these are the bits I can make out.
I am so confused ??? Why would the step daughter marry the step father or other way round. Does not make sense to me ::)
What do you think girls
newbe
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Why would the step daughter marry the step father or other way round. Does not make sense to me NEWBIE
Hard to comment on other people's motives, but I can think of a lot of reasons, some involving longterm attraction/friendship, others about familiarity and convenience.
Sue
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So we were on the right track about that, Newbe. :)
As to why they married, as Sue says, there could be lots of reasons, and the convenience reason was very strong motivation for people back then.......and they wouldn't be the first stepfather/stepdaughter to become a couple.
It would be very interesting to know how long Edward Coleman was separated from his Hannah 2's mother before he married her, but that's something you'll probably never know. :-\
Dee
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Very true Dee and Sue,
Yes I will never know why they married.
Looks like to complete the puzzle I will nedd to get the marriage image at end of month if not a bit earlier
Newbe
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Well Newbe.....the situation has provided a most interesting hunt with its twists and turns. I'm sure we've all thoroughly enjoyed it. :D :D
Dee
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I hope you have as well Dee,
Never thought I would get this far with this family so quickly over a weekend.
Thank you to everyone who has helped with this thread.
newbe
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I certainly have. :D
It's kept me well and truly occupied on a very wintry weekend. ;)
Once you get all the information into order, don't hesitate to ask of there are missing bits and pieces you'd like us to try to fill in. It depends how many little side "branches" you want information on.
Dee
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He was a several years younger than Hannah the first wife.
My thoughts are did they both marry knowing the mother / wife was still alive in NSW or did Edward tell her fibs....
Have you found what happened to the Other coleman Children
Jenn
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Thanks for the offer Dee.
Best to keep it all in one thread I think :D
Now to Jenn's question
Caroline Coleman died 1856 St George. do not have transcription yet will add to list
She was born 1842
Isaac Coleman 1845 - 1902 died in Stroud
Have no info as to if he married or had children
William Edward Coleman born 21/5/1847 died 6/5/1908 Have his death cert and all his family
Mary Ann Coleman born 1849 died unknown married a James Farley 26/12/1867 NSW. James died 28/11/1882. they had 3 children
Newbe
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Sorry Newbe got distracted from this
Going back to CHARLES PAYNE and Elizabeth Burchell
Children in Victoria born to Charles Payne and Elizabeth Burchell
Emily 1883 Sandhurst reg no 12171
Joseph Charles 1881 Sandhurst reg no 12141
William James 1884 Sandhurst reg no 20349
more births in Victoria to this couple
Lizzie Olive 1892 Bendigo reg no 29785
Percival Burchell 1890 Sandhurst 7571 died 1890 Sandhurst 17509
Rose Victoria 1895 Long Gully 13780
PAYNE Elizabeth died aged 42 in 1902 at Bendigo Hospital reg no 12633
father Jos Burchell mother Sarah Cheichley
Jenn
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That's ok Jenn,
I had a thought we would get there sooner or later with Charles PAYNE and Elizabeth BURCHELL.
Thank you for the list of children as well
Newbe
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I am thinking of getting the marriage image of Hannah PAYNE and Alfred Lainson
Also the one for Charles PAYNE and Elizabeth Burchell
Was going to make a list but never got there.
Newbe
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They are probably the essential ones, Newbe. :D
Dee
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Ok Dee,
I will get them at the end of the month and go from there.
Will update you once I have them and see just what they say
Newbe
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Fingers crossed that it all works out how it appears. :D :D
Dee
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Sometime last year I got some transcription for the COLEMAN family
they were a mixture of BDM's in NSW. Now I have lost them all. I think from memory I received about 8 in total through http://home.iprimus.com.au/lturtle/
I am thinking I will have to pay for them again as I have no idea if I can request another copy of them or not
Does anyone know what to do in this sort of screw up that I had ::)
Newbe
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Maybe like me you might have saved the emails they came with if you took that option
but ask Laurie anyway maybe he kept a copy
Incidently maybe just a coincidence but there is a marriage in Bendigo in 1903 for a Charles Payne might just be that a coincidence and not necessarily a remarriage
Jenn
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I think they wereon my other computer at my brothers place and I think I deleted all my emails as well.
Shall send an email and find out.
Now to remember who they were all for.
Newbe
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Well hopefully seeing as Laurie emaled them to you he will have kept a record, good luck ;D
http://www.records.nsw.gov.au/
Back to Alfred Lainson, on the SRO (State Records Office of NSW) if you do an advanced name search for Lainson you get a couple of hits including an Insolvency record which might be the reason the family went to Victoria.
Jenn
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Maybe Alfred LAINSON wanted a fresh start with his family.
I also saw the record of him arriving on the same ship as the COLEMAN family.
Newbe
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A search of Lainson on
http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home
brings up a number of results for Melbourne, but they are nearly all too late for Alfred. William gets
a few mentions though.
Dee
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Newbe, did you also follow on with the other son George Payne ?
Jenn
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Newbe,
If you go to this link, you can find a page about where alfred Lainson lived in Victoria before he died. :o :D
It's a heritage building report. :D
http://www.rootschat.com/links/065d/
You'll need to Use "Find" when you get the website and put in Lainson.
Dee
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Thanks very much Dee.
Very interesting indeed.
Newbe 8)
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Hi all,
Jenn, I noted this burial at Bendigo the other day and was going to mention it.
Name -Charles Payne
Date of Death: not available
Date of Burial: 17/03/1934
Interment Number: 018337
Cemetery: WHITE HILLS
Grave Number: 18337
I was not able to find anyone with him
Sue
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Hi Sue,
If that is my Charles PAYNE he would have been 94/95 when he died
I wonderif there is more than one.
When did Elizabeth die ???
Newbe
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Hi
Also posting this for interest.
There is ww2 record for WILLIAM JAMES PAYNE
He has the correct birth date and was born in Bendigo.
When he enlisted his NOK was BERTHA and at the time, he was living in Cloncurry, Qld.
A check of Qld Bmd shows he married BERTHA ELLEN EATON in 1914 reg. C718
There is a death for aman in 1928 reg. C3950 named Charles William Richard PAYNE, father William James and mother Bertha Ellen.
So that seems to be where he moved off to. ;D
Sue
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Hi Sue keep posting anything else of interest.
Then can sort through it all and see where it all ties in.
Good job Sue ;D
Newbe
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So we go from NSW to Vic then Qld...........
I wonder where else.
Must not forget the NZ bit otherwise I would not be here ;D
Newbe
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Hi Sue,
If that is my Charles PAYNE he would have been 94/95 when he died
Yes, that's right Newbie and you did feel persuaded didn't you that he was at Stroud showing the right parents, Hannah and Samuel
14709/1921
Sue
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Hi Sue keep posting anything else of interest.
Well, this may be worth considering.
Marriage in QLD.
1910/C1273 Payne, Joseph Charles to Fitzgerald Ann
Sue
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The one thing about Charles' birth is that the father Samuel Payne was already in Tasmania as a convict.
as Charles was born 1839 and Samuel was already in Tassie in 1837 then Samuel was not his father. I think Edward was but Hannah had to wait so may years before she could marry Edward
The only thing I can do is wait till end of month and get a copy of the transcription of his death to find out more
Newbe
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I may have to get Charles Payne birth cert from the UK as well
Newbe
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in 1913 up in the electorate of Kennedy ( my part of the world) Georgetown district
Joseph Charles Payne at Einselagh miner
William James Payne same details
Annie Payne home duties.
But if I remember correctly was Newbe going off damily information that Charles Payne had married elizabeth Burchell?
So hope we have got the right family here.
JEnn
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See the marriage of what may be one of the daughters/sister also in Queensland.
1914/C579 Bride Payne Rose Victoria Groom Johnston William Alfred
Jenn
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ah and the other sister who married later after the death of Charles Payne the father maybe she was at home being a dutifull daughter and looking after dear old Dad. ::)
in 1924/C879 groom Buckby Joseph Harvey Bride Payne Lizzie Olive
Jenn
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in 1913 up in the electorate of Kennedy ( my part of the world) Georgetown district
Joseph Charles Payne at Einselagh miner
William James Payne same details
Annie Payne home dutiesJENN
So here we have
Son of Charles Payne, William living with his brother and his brother's wife Annie.
He will marry the following year.
Sue
MMMmm...Looks like they all scooted north!
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ah and the other sister who married later after the death of Charles Payne the father maybe she was at home being a dutifull daughter and looking after dear old Dad. ::)
in 1924/C879 groom Buckby Joseph Harvey Bride Payne Lizzie Olive
Jenn
Hi Jenn, This is another Charles PAYNE, Father Isacc PAYNE mother Elizabeth BAILEY
This is another family throught the daughter Lizzie Payne and is throught the Buckby line
Newbe
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Yes is that odd seeing Dad was in Stroud but they were all adults too. Georgetown was mining, Rose Victoria ended up in MAreeba and Lizzie in Ayr.
Jenn
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I really don't understand what you mean here Newbe?
Is it not the same family we do have Lizze Olive birth to Charles Payne and Elizabeth Burchell?
Jenn
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Newbie
Per your reply #139
What actually became of Samuel the TAS, convict??
I have just had the most funny thought.
He didn't do his time then reappear and claim HANNAH 1 again did he ???
Thus sending EDWARD bolting !
Sue
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Charles and Elizabeth both died Bendigo.
Would it be possibe for someone to find out where Charles PAYNE died 1921 Stroud is buried.
Samuel Payne married a Emma HORMAN in 1849 Hobart and had another family. I do not think he ever knew that Edward and Hannah had come to Australia.
My Charles PAYNE had a mother Hannah Payne. Not sure on the father.
Newbe
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Charles and Elizabeth both died Bendigo.
totally confused here now you say he died in Stroud so does the NSW record
14709/1921 PAYNE CHARLES father SAMUEL mother HANNAH STROUD
if he is in an unmarked grave we won't be able to find him
Jenn
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Newbie
Per your reply #139
What actually became of Samuel the TAS, convict??
I have just had the most funny thought.
He didn't do his time then reappear and claim HANNAH 1 again did he ???
Thus sending EDWARD bolting !
Sue
:o :o :o
Now that would add yet another twist to this story! ;D ;D
Dee
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Newbie,
Could you just revisit reply #132 and #133 and clarify what you think.
As Jenn says we are getting 2 sets of conflicting info here :D
Sue
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Ok Girls,
There are twoCharles PAYNE's
The one I am interested in has a mother Hannah PAYNE. Not sure on the father as I said.
Now the other Charles PAYNE who married Elizabeth was born Vic. The one I am interested in was born June q 1839 Kelsale, Suffolk England.
If I had a spare $$$ I would get the transcription of Charles Payne, 1921, Stroud Father Samuel mother Hannah Then I would know where he is buried and if he married or not.
If you are confused so am I.
Newbe
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If you are confused so am I.
Newbe
Especially in light of your reply #88 ??? ???
May be time to let the dust settle a little :D
Sue
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I think leave it for now and I will see if i can get the transcription from NSW and then go from there.
Newbe
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Hi there,
I am also trying to find Charles PAYNE
He is Hannah's brother. He was born June Q 1839 Suffolk, England
I have found a death for him in 1921 ref 14709 Father Samuel Mother Hannah District Stroud.
I have no idea if he married or not. Will have to wait till end of month to get death transcription
I have looked at the Stroud Cemetery site and he is not there.
I had been told that he married a Elizabeth BURCELL but can find no marriage on NSW for them.
Can some one hellp me find his burial or other info please
Newbe
PS: Trying to tie up loose ends on this part of the family
I shall put that death to one side Jenn
I think I have confused myself and every one else as I had Elizabeth down for both Charles' wives.
Mine was born 1839
the one in Vic was born 1856
Newbe
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Just letting you know I managed to get my lost BDM's from Laurie with no problems
Have printed them out and am going to save them to a disk or usb stick so I do not loose them again.
Newbe
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Great that you got them again with no trouble, Newbe......and yes.....copies of a different nature are a good idea! ;D ;D ;D
dee :D
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Excellent Newbe,
so when you have time tell us about Charles Payne please
kind thoughts JEnn
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Hi All,
Just letting you know I managed to get my lost BDM's from Laurie with no problems
MMmm...
Well, just goes to show we have some dilligent and excellent service providers in the Australian Genealogical network. Honest and thorough.
Sue
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I've not had to use a NSW transcription agent yet.....but Newbe's experience is a very good recommendation, isn't it? :D :D
Dee
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Hi Girls,
I sent an email to Hunter Valley group last night to find out where Charles PAYNE is buried.
This is the following info:
NUM SURNAME GIVEN NAME AGE BURIAL DATE YEAR PLOT SECTION CEMETERY
9 PAYNE Charles 82 20-Jul 1921 9 CoE - A Stroud General
10 PAYNE Catherine 69 4-Aug 1920 10 CoE - A Stroud General
Is Catherine his wife, buried in the next plot.
I was not sure on this info until I found this marriage below. Then I found Catherine’s death and then looked for children
3861(REF) 1875 PAYNE Charles KAY Catherine Port Stephens
15380(REF) 1920 PAYNE Catherine Robert Ann N Stroud
18972(REF) 1876 PAYNE Blanche Charles Catherine Port Stephens
20840(REF) 1878 PAYNE Mary Charles Catherine Port Stephens
15628(REF) 1881 PAYNE John Charles Charles Catherine Port Stephens
So, The Charles PAYNE that died in Stroud is my one. His mother Hannah, father Samuel.
The one that is in Victoria is Lizzie Olive PAYNE's father. Lizzie is the one that married a Joseph Harvey BUCKBY and is related through my BUCKBY line.
Let me know what you think
Newbe
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Have found some more info
John Charles PAYNE death
13933(REF) 1958 PAYNE John Charles
Father Charles
Mother Catherine
District Hamilton
This could be his marriage as it is the only one I can find
22149(REF) 1945 PAYNE John Charles GILBERT Margaret Alice LISMORE
Death for Blanche
8371(REF) 1877 PAYNE Blanche
Father Charles
Mother Catherine
District Port Stephens
So many Mary PAYNE's to choose from so have not found her yet
Newbe
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Interesting things there newbie.
I've been wondering to myself at what stage did EDWARD decide that he needed a change, so I did a bit of trawl through Sands directories and it is interesting.
Sands Sydney Commercial Dir.
1858-9Coleman , Edward. Carpenter and Undertaker, Denison St. Netown
Sands Syd. Alphabetical Dir.
1863
Coleman Mrs HANNAH. Umbrella Maker. 115 King Street
Sands Syd. Trades and Proffessions Dir.
1863 (same year as above)
Coleman, Mrs HANNAH, Undertaker, 115 King Street
Sands Syd. Alphabetical
1867
Coleman, Mrs Hannah Umbrella Maker 117 King Street
Sands Syd Alphabetical Dir.
1873
Coleman C. umbrella maker, 117 King Street
Looks like he may have gone quite early!
And looks like Charles may have stuck to Mum throughout.
All too easy to speculate I guess.
Sue
Now just adding why would Charles be calling himself COLEMAN?
Maybe not your Charles afterall, but CAROLINE?
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Very interesting indeed.
Thanks for that info Sue.
From memory there is something about the Coleman family in the Stroud early settlers book. I do not have a copy of it but do have some info somwhere in a folder I think.
Newbe
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It looks like the family moved around a bit.
Edward and Hannah's daughter Caroline Coleman died 1856 St George District,
At some stage they moved to Port Stephens, then onto Stroud.
Can I ask a favour Sue or anyone else,
Can you check the Sands Directories and see if there is a Charles PAYNE and a Catherine Payne living at the same address.
This would give me something to work on
Newbe
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Hi Newbie,
The directories usually give only one name at an address if it is a married couple, and it will be the husband's
Usually only single women were listed in their own name if they wished to be.
I can look for Charles, but where do you want them looked up and about what years?
Sue
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All I know so far is he married 1875 Port Stephens District
He died in 1921 in Stroud
This is all the info I have
Newbe
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=305457.msg2623995;topicseen#msg2623995
There is a birth record for a Edward Coleman in the above link
I have asked them if they know how I would order it to see if it is my one
Newbe
PS: Thought I would add the link here
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I don't have access to country directories before 1897.
So cannot check out of Sydney till then.
I did find this interesting family cluster on the 1870-1871 electoral roll in the Williams Division.
Coleman, Charles. Gloucester Rd. Residence. Karuah
Coleman, Edward. Stroud. freehold. Karuah
Coleman, Isaac, Gloucester Rd. Residence. Karuah
Coleman William. Johnson's Creek. leasehold. Johnson's Creek.
No sign of Charles Payne in that district.
Sue
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That's ok Sue,
Will have to wait until I get that death transcription for Charles PAYNE then and see what that has to say.
Thanks for all your help
Newbe
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Newbe, did you also follow on with the other son George Payne ?
Jenn
Hi Jenn,
Sorry for not answering this question of your's
No I have not followed up on George Payne
1851 Census
Residing at 48 St Helena Place, Clerkenwell, Middlesex
Ref: HO 107/1517
Edward COLEMAN Head Married Aged 27 Occ Carpenter Born Gilbratar, British Subject
Hannah COLEMAN Wife Married Aged 39 Born Bayton, Suffolk
Charles COLEMAN Son Aged 11 Born Bayton, Suffolk
Caroline COLEMAN Dau Aged 8 Born Helsall, Suffolk
Isaac COLEMAN Son Aged 6 Born Helsall, Suffolk
William COLEMAN Son Aged 3 Born Clerkenwell, Middlesex
Mary A COLEMAN Dau Aged 1 Born Clerkenwell, Middlesex
George PAYNE Son-in-law Aged 19 Tailor Born Bury St Edmunds, Suffolk
There is also info on this link as well that may be of interest
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,305651.0.html
Newbe
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I've found the marriage!!
Edward Coleman born Gibralter married Hannah Lainson born Suffolk in .....wait for it......1883!
Ref = 2209
Glad your Uncle helped out and its made your days! :D :D
Dee
Have just ordered marriage image and downloaded it.
Will let you know what it says in the morning
Newbe
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Oh now won't it be interesting :o
Jenn
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Well I do not know what to make of it.
Edward Coleman told some porkies
He said that he was a Batcholer which was not true as he was still married to Hannah 1
He said he was 59 yrs old ie born 1824
Hannah 2 49 born 1834
So their age is correct
Parents for Edward were John COLEMAN and Rachel
Parents for Hannah were Samuel PAYNE and Hannah PAYNE
Yes Hannah's maiden name was also PAYNE
They married on 7 June 1883 Berkley St Carlton
Newbe
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Just a query,
Do I need Alfred Lainson death image from Victoria to see if it has more info to help.
Am not sure.
Have ordered Alfred Lainson and Hannah Payne's marriage transcription from 1855
Newbe
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Interesting to note the witness to the marriage for Edward and Hannah 2 was Hannah's sone William Lainson and Helen Lainson his wife
Newbe
PS: I wonder if they knew he was their step grandfather ::)
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Hi Newbe,
To me the most interesting thing about the marriage certificate is his statement that he was a Batchelor.
This implies that Hannah 2 was very well aware of the full circumstances of the marriage she was entering.
If he had said Widower, I could believe that he told his new bride that her mother had died in NSW or some other such tale, but to say Batchelor clearly says that she was in full knowledge of the facts. ???
Sue
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Thanks Sue for your imput
Very interseting indeed
Newbe
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Oh my goodness.....what a skeleton to have unearthed in the closet, Newbie! A batchelor indeed! :o ;D
Dee :D
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Thanks Dee
As my uncle said in his email today
The pattern is slowly beginning to emerge. Many thanks.
As they say the plot thickens
newbe
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I have just received a copty of Charles PAYNE's death transcription from a lady in Australia who I helped do some lookups for here in NZ
This is what it had to say.
Reg No: 14709
Date of death: 20 July 1921
Place of death: Stroud, Stroud Shire
Name: Charles PAYNE
Occupation: Carpenter
Sex: Male
Age: 82
Cause of death: Arteriosclerosis, Cerebral Haemorrhage
Duration: 4 days
Medical attendant: R.Fitzherbert 19 July 1921
Father: Samuel Payne
Father's Occupation: Butcher
Mother- Maiden Name: Hannah Payne
Informant: J.C. Payne, Son, Stroud, Registered 20 July 1921 Stroud
When Buried: 21 July 1921
Where: Church of England, Stroud
Undertaker: F. G. Redman
Minister: Robert G. Knox
Religon: Church of England
Witnesses: J.F. Daunt A.F. McNeill
Where Born: Kelsale, England
Time in Colony/State: 69 Years in New South Wales
Place married: Stroud, New South Wales
Age at marrage: 35
Spouse: Catherine Kay
Children of Marriage: Mary 42, John.C 40 Living
One female deceased
Regards
Newbe
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Have just received Edward Coleman's birth cert that I ordered on the 16 July.
It has his date of birth as 14/11/1824 and baptised on 22/11/1824 Parents John Coleman and Rachel Coleman no maiden name.
Rank of father was Private
Chaplain was R.G. Curtois B.D. Chaplan to the forces
Place of Birth Gibraltar
7 Pounds = 19 Dollars NZD Money well spent
Newbe
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Have also received Hannah Coleman's death transcription today.
Name: Hannah Coleman
Date of death: 8/12/1893
Place: Telegherry, District of Gloucester, NSW
Occupation: Nil
Sex: Female
Age: 83
Conjugal Status:
Place of Birth: England
Time in Aust Colonies: 39 Years in NSW
Father: George Payne
Occupation: Farmer
Mother: Unknown
Place of Marriage 1 England 2 England
Age at marriage: 18 31
Name of Spouse: Samuel Payne Edawrd Coleman
Children of Marriage: 1 Hannah 58, Charles 53 2, Isaac 49, William E 47 Mary Ann 44
Informant: Certified in writing by Isaac Coleman, Son, Stroud
Cauase of death: Apoplexy
Length of Illness: 40 hours
Medical Attendant: Dr Finlay
Date last Seen: 6/12/1893
Date of Burial: 9/12/1893
Place of Burial: Church of England Cemetery, Stroud
Minister & religion: G F Rushforth, Church of England
Undrtaker: Charles Coleman
Witnesses: William Moore, George Masters
Registered 9/12/1983
Newbe
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Hi Newbe,
Thanks for posting these important details. It is great to see that overall, the findings of the team here have been on the mark :D
The step you have taken in purchasing the documents is a true sign of your enthusiasm and, as well, it gives you a truly sound verification of events.
Will continue to watch with interest.
Cannot help but be intrgued by this...
Undrtaker: Charles Coleman
I remember posting facts of COLEMAN... undertakers.... in the Sydney Alphabetical Directories way back in a thread on the search for Hannah :)
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Thanks Sue,
I have Hannah daughter's Caroline death transcription , and her son's Isaac and William Edward Coleman's ones as well
Will post detalis tomorrow
Poor Caroline was burnt to death not sure by what or how but length of illness was 15 days
newbe
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Hi Newbe
Do you have any information on Hannah Jr born circa 1834. Arrived Australia 1854