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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Topic started by: truebritmega on Saturday 04 July 09 02:11 BST (UK)
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Hi there, Im not really sure how to look for emigration records to australia, I did find a record search at the australian national archives but didnt see anything for me...
Im after members of the Heeley family, a Dr John Theophilus Heeley (1830-1910) from Birmingham (warwickshire) he married a Mary Tiernan of Victoria (her family originated in Ireland)
Dr John was buried at Mosman, North Shore, Sydney, Australia
His son, Edmund John Heeley (1871 - 1952 ) I believe may have been "born at sea", he was buried at Woronora Cemetery, Sutherland, N.S.W.
Anyone know if, or how, I could find out more about there journey into Australia etc? I havent a clue about how to search about that kind of thing (and the heeleys are a newly found family line to me)
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Hi
I just had a quick look at the Vic indexes - is this your family line
Births
1872
Heeley - Edmund John
Father - John Theophilu
Mother - Marianne Tiernan
Birthplace - Seymour
Reg No - 5600
1874
Heeley - Wilfred Joseph
Father - John Theophilus
Mother - Marianne Tiernan
Birthplace - Seymour
Reg No - 19273
Will keep looking for amy passenger records.
Troods
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A contact email for a person detailing your family - scroll down the page
http://www.brandis.com.au/genealogy/surnames/ha2hh.html
Cando
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Marriage - mistranscribed.
TIERNAN Mariann
HEELY Theophilus
At Seymour 1866 Reg# 2653
Excellent resources at the top of the board - Australian and the individual states. Perhaps John T emigrated to Vic and there are a few names and a number probably mistranscribed on
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=23
As he married in 1866 perhaps just browse the 1852 to 1866 records. I searched using just Heel*
Cando
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Just adding another link to others researching the Heeley line.
Follow this link -
http://genforum.genealogy.com/heeley/messages/33.html
Perhaps some "Chatter" has access to the New Zealand Shipping Indexes.
Sarra
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The Victorian shipping indexes also identify ships from New Zealand. If the linked information is correct he landed Aus 1862-
1866. added later 1864.
http://proarchives.imagineering.com.au/index_search.asp?searchid=23
A transcription of his death reg may also be helpful in pinpointing the year of arrival from NZ ie if known to the informant.
Cando
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HEELEY, John T.
Gazetted 28 Feb 1873
Place Seymour, Victoria
Source Government gazette.
87 page 380.
Comment: Gazette item sub title heading: Licensing Magistrates
Well according to the item in the Govt Gazette he was still in Seymour in 1873...
Perhaps you would like to browse ..
http://gazette.slv.vic.gov.au/
Cando
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He was in Young in 1876.
HEELEY, John Theophilus.
Gazetted 28 Jan 1876
Young NSW
SourceGovernment gazette.
Register of Medical Practitioners
Link to Australian Medical Pioneers Index.
http://www.rootschat.com/links/06ma/
Good information including First registered 1864 Vic No. 446
Educated in the South of France and at a college in England.
# As medical student - Crimea, appointed to Scutar Hospital whre he was one of the first to administer chlorform.
# Received Crimea Medal with clasp. Complete medical studies - went to Nevade USA to make fortune in silver nothing came of it. Returned to England. Turned thought to squatting in 1862 - New Zealand.
# Went to Victoria and started medical practice at Seymour. There in great floods of 1870. (rescued by boat after spending 24 hours in his loft)
A snippet in the Argus - Melbourne, Victoria newspaper. Taken from the Government Gazette
http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/5736153?searchTerm=john+theophilus+heeley
Cheers
Cando
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WOW!! how on earth do you all manage it!!LOL
ok... answers the questions one by one lol...
Troods: yes you did find the right family line:) ty for looking for me..
Cando: ty, I found that contact too, but i emailed the person last night at both emails listed there and had both emails came back undelivered:(
Where did you find those marriage details of Heeley and tiernan??
I couldnt seem to work that proarchives site that you gave me, I did try searching just using "heel" but only found a few names not to do w mine?... im very likely just not using that site correctly? :-\
And WOW!! ty Cando for that AMPI thing you found! i cant believe it said so much about him!
I looked for the Scutar hospital mentioned in it, and found it is scutari, the base of Florence Nightingale in the crimean war!! and My Dr John, the AMPI says, received the Crimea Medal!! (I wonder how I can find more about his crimea medal and why/how he was awarded it?)
Sarra: thank you for the link to the other contacts searching my heeleys, the Gail Heeley on the link you found i am in touch with, shes where I found out about my australian heeleys just a few days ago :)
Thank you all so much!!! lets see what else i/we can find out lolol
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A couple of other deaths for you
reg no 10438/1924
HEELEY WILFRED J father JOHN T mother MARIAN C district SYDNEY
he had married Elsie Cornwell in 1920 at Chatswood reg no 2034/1920
reg no9884/1879
HEELEY AMY H father JOHN T mother MARIANE didstrict young
birth
26664/1879 HEELEY UNNAMED
father John Thoephilus mother Mariannce Cecilia
Jenn
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Thats great Jenn!! ty very much!! where do we find these birth records?
And this search has bought up another surprise!... I know now that Dr John had a daughter Laura Constance Heeley, who married Sir Denison Samuel King Miller KCMG... first governor of the commonwealth bank of Australia!!
Surely, if he was such a prominent person, (Ive got a pic of him off the net)... i should be able to find a pic of his wife? Wouldnt she then be Lady Laura Constance Miller?
Anyhows... ty Jenn :) ty everybody:)
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this is the link to the online NSW BDM's http://www.bdm.nsw.gov.au/familyHistory/search.htm
As Cando suggested there are a lot of resources listed at the top of the board :D :D
Jenn
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You asked about the marriage records in Victoria. They are online, free to search but pay to view
http://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/index-search?action=getHistIdxSearchCriteria
There are also the following indexes -
https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/family-history-shop
VicHeritage Products
DVD and CD-ROM Historical Indexes
These sets of CD-ROM indexes cover records of births (to 1901), deaths (to 1985) and marriages (to 1942) from the commencement of civil registrations in Victoria on 1 July 1853. The Victorian Pioneers Index also includes early church records of baptisms, burials and marriages back to 1836.
Cheers
Cando
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thank you all so much for the help! I cant believe how much more info i have, and im sure I'll eventually find all there arrivals etc lol
Once again, thank you all so much :)
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I'm new to this as I only discovered it a few minutes ago. Yes, Dr. Heeley's daughter was the second wife of Sir DSK Miller and my great grandmother. She died on the family property called Colstoun in Gunnedah, NSW, Australia. My father remembers her very well.
I actually thought that Heeley was an Irish surname as the family was Catholic while Denison Miller was Anglican.
Unfortunately the family property was sold only a couple of years ago and many of the personal historical items such as diaries, paintings, photos went "missing".
Thank you to all the wonderful people who do spend time researching for dates and information and thereby providing what would otherwise be lost history!.
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Hmmm - lots of mentions on the NLA digitised newspaper site.
He was committed for trial for manslaughter after a patient died from taking medicine with carbolic acid and prussic acid prescribed by him :o Later the commital was quashed. Lots of other mentions also.
http://newspapers.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/search?adv=y
(I searched using Dr Heeley )
Judith
PS The wife of a "Sir" is called by Lady plus the surname - in this case, Lady Miller. You only use the Christian names in the title if you are the daughter of a Duke or earl. For example: Diana, Princess of Wales was known as Lady Diana Spencer before her marriage because her father was an Earl. The correct title for, say, wife of Sir Donald Bradman would be lady Bradman.
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With regard to Denison Miller there are lots of mention of him on the National Libray search site, including a photo of him and his wife on the terrace of their home.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/result?q=denison+miller
Judith
(Haven't we looked for these people before?)
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,390875.0.html
None of which helps us find his emigration which is what you are after though. :( The death certificate may give the number of years in "the colony".
Judith
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Thank you everyone... Im going to have to have a re-look over this lol... for its been a while since Ive done this side, and I cant help thinking the Dr, was Dr Joseph Theophilus Heeley... not John? lol? (I actualy think I have both a John Theophilus and a Joseph Theophilus, but the Joseph was the Dr from Young)
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yes Judb... (tho its beena good while since Ive been to this thread, so Im rusty on what i was after lol )
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yes... it is, was Dr John (sorry, was getting mixed up in my mind<< not difficult lol )... I do have a Dr Joseph Theophilus too, he was John Theophilus's Uncle...
sorry if I was getting folk mixed up there too lol
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Birth/Christening;
John Theophilus HEELEY
Birth 28 January 1830
Christened 14 July 1830, Saint Martin, Birmingham, Warwickshire
Parents EDMUND and MARY ANN
Sibling;
Mary Ratcliffe HEELEY, Christened 04 August 1828
Edmund HEELEY married Mary Ann RATCLIFFE, 02 October 1827, Saint Martin, Birmingham
1851 Census
Elvethan Road,
Egbaston, Warwickshire
HO107/
Edmund HEELEY, 52, Head, Mar, Retired Silversmith, born Walsall, Staffordshire
Mary Ann Heeley, 44, Wife, Mar, born Birmingham, Warwickshire
Mary Ratcliffe Heeley, 22, Daug, Unm, born Birmingham
Nathan Edmund Heeley, 19, Son, Unm, Electric depositor?, born birmingham
Elena Ann Heeley, 1, Daug, born Birmingham
+ 1 servant and nurse maid.
Possible 1841 Census
HO107/1151/1/Egbaston
Eliza Healey, 30, Ind, No
Sarah Bulivant 60, Ind, No
Ann Toney bove 20, Ind, No
Mary Ann Heely, 12, Y
John Heeley, 10, Y
William Heeley, Y
Frederick Heeley, 5, Y
Aurthur Heeley, 1, Y
Elizabeth Smith, 20, Female Servant, Y
Ann Smith, 17, Female Servant, Y
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Thanks for letting me know that my brain is still functioning - albeit slowly LOL
Judith
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lol yup it is... seems theres still tonnes to find! Ive discovered theres a Heeley Street in Sydney too.... was it named after the family?
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Hello, maybe no-one will see this , as the thread is old..... I am very distantly related to Marion Tiernan, (who married a Dr Healey/Heeley), thru Hannah Niall m Peter Tiernan in 1858. Anyway the RELEVANT thing is ...... a Dr Healey treated John 'Red' Kelly, Ned's father, just before John's death in ?1866? … it's all interesting isn't it. Yours in family history, Marg Cooke nee Niall/Nihill
(that's Ned Kelly the bushranger, hanged in 1880)