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Help! ???
I am trying to find a link between William BEVAN b.15 October 1879, Hereford and Isabella BEVAN b. 1859 Orcop/Garway Hill Herefordshire, daughter of John BEVAN/BEAVAN and Elizabeth (Eliza) GOUGH.
I have not been able to find William's birth records. I do know that Isabella married William NORMAN in 1884 in Birmingham. William did not find out that Isabella was his mother until he was older. He thought he was living with his aunt. The 1891 census shows William with Isabella and William NORMAN living in Tipton although he is shown as a 'visitor.' I have not been able to find either Isabella BEVAN or William BEVAN in the 1881 census.
Any help or advice would be most welcome.
Regards
Susan
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Where does the info about William come from - his date of birth, the fact that he was brought up by an aunt, the fact that he later discovered Isabella was his mum etc etc....
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Hi
William was my grandfather. His WW1 records state he was born in Hereford about 1879 (exact date not given). My mother remembers his birthday as 5th October. She also says that he was brought up with someone he believed to be his aunt but turned out to be his mother. She knows that Williams's mother (christian name not known) married a Mr Norman and that they lived in the Dudley area. I found them on the 1891 census with William, but he is listed as a visitor, aged 11. I then found a marriage for Isabella Bevan to William NORMAN in 1884 (cert held).William BEVAN went on to marry Mary Hannah MORTON in 1907. I have also found information and a tree on familysearch.org
This is a difficult jigsaw to put together as my mother's older brothers and sisters have now all passed away.
Any help, advice or information would be much appreciated.
Regards
Susan
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That is helpful.
I can see Isabella and her family in 1871
RG10 2702 77 13
Orcup
John 54
Eliza 50
Joseph 17
Isabella 12
John 9
then in 1881 her mother is still in Orcop, but neither Isabella or little William are there
Eliza 58 widow
John 18
We know that Isabella does not marry till later, but I wonder if she is living with William's father and he and Wm using his name?
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Is this not his birth?
Oct/Nov/Dec 1879
Hereford 6a 512
William Beavan
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I don't think it is this one. I have the birth certificate and it states William Beavan - father and Harriet Beavan formerly Ireland - mother. DOB 15th November 1879.
We think William was born out of wedlock.
Regards
Susan
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We know that Isabella does not marry till later, but I wonder if she is living with William's father and he and Wm using his name?
Don't know whether this is any use, but Isabella is not living with William Norman in 1881. William is with his parents (he obviously followed his father in the waterworks inspecting line!) here : RG11; Piece: 2867; Folio: 109; Page: 3
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Thanks
I know that Isabella married William Norman on 24th December 1884 (I have the certificate).
I also know that Isabella's parents were probably John BEVAN/BEAVAN and Elizabeth (Eliza) GOUGH.
I can't find her birth either. She was born in 1859 but the only birth I can find gives an Isabella with parents
listed as George Bevan and Eliza Bevan formerly Jones which is incorrect as Isabella gives her fathers name as
John on her marriage certificate to William Norman.
If I can solve this puzzle I will be able to trace the family back as I belive John was the brother of James Bevan
who went to America.
Help!!!
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Was your Isabella christened on 13 Feb 1859 in Orcop?
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Isabella seems to have had quite a few siblings; have you traced all of them through the 1881 census to see if Isabella and baby William are living with them?
1861 Orcop
John Beavan junior H Mar 45 Labourer
Eliza Beavan W Mar 39
Unis Beavan Dau 13
Eliza Beavan Dau 10
Joseph Beavan Son 8
Allis Beavan Dau 5
Isabella Beavan Dau 2
All born Orcop
NEXT DOOR TO
John Beavan senior H Mar 70 Lab bn Orcop
Ann Beavan w Mar 69 bn How Caple, Herefordshire
Amos Beavan son 22 Labourer bn Orcop
RG9; Piece: 1823; Folio: 72; Page: 10
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Hi
Isabella's marriage certificate gives her age ag 24 and she married in December 1884 so her birth might be 1860. The birth certificate I ordered for March quarter of 1859 is for an Isabella whose parents are George Bevan and Eliza Beven formerly Jones. So this is not the one. Her marriage certificate states her fathers name was John Bevan.
The infomation in the 1861 cenus seems to be my Isabella although Unis should read Eunice and Allis should read Alice.
If this is the correct family I know that James, brother of John junior went to the USA.
The hunt goes on.
Thanks to all who are trying to help me.
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Alice Clara Bevan was born in 1856, John in 1861 and Isabella in December 1858 born in Orcop and registered at Kentchurch, Joseph and Eliza all have paernts as John and Eliza[beth] Bevan/beavan nee Gough .
John married Eliza Gough in 1840
Why not get Alice's Birth Certificate from Hereford Register Office and see the parents details. There can be errors on Certificates, and perhaps she thought her father's name was Jogn as he was dead by the time of her marriage. A John Bevan died in 1876 aged 60 wich could be him.
Also he could have been called George at home to diiferentiate and a father also called John.
In Clodock there is a birth for a Sophia where the parents are George and Eliza.
On the 1851 Census for Orcop there are at least 2 families I can spot. John and Elizabeth with Eunice 3, Elizabeth 8 months, and Edith 3 and others I only have an Index, can anyone post the details of the Orcop Bevans in 1851 please ?
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There are 5 households of Bevans in Orcop in 1851.
James Bevan 37 Innkeeper b. Kilpeck
Elizabeth wife 32 b Pencoyd
Children: Arabella 8, Charles 6, William 3 and Benjamin 10mths
John Bevan 60 Labourer b. Orcop
Ann wife 60
Children: Elizabeth 28 and Amos 16
Grandchild: Mary 9
John Bevan 33 Labourer b. Orcop
Eliza wife 27
Children: Edith 5, Eunice 3 and Elizabeth 7mths
George Bevan 28 Ag. labourer b. Kilpeck
John 21 nephew occupation Cooper b. Kilpeck
Thomas Bevan 80 widow
Hope this is helpful
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I too am searching for a connection to Bevan/Beavan from Orcop Garway Hill Herefordshire. My grandfather's name was George Harris (later to go by the name of George Beavan Harris) born in 1880, married to Ellen Jane Arthur (born 1888) in 1907. He died in 1964. The farm is believed to have been called Cherry Orchards ? My Grandfather's mother's maiden name was Harris and the father is possibly thought to be Bevan/Beavan - no other info. From looking at the census there seems to be a lot of Beavan's in that area ? There was a son John James (known as Jack) from a previous relationship of my grandmother, with my Father Arthur William Beavan Harris and Ralph Harris being true brothers/sons of my grandfather. When my grandmother died there was a housekeeper Miss Millicent Jones, who also had children - Marjorie, Ted, Douglas & Clifford. Do any of these names ring a bell with anyone reading this ? Any insight would be much appreciated.
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What is it with these Beavans ?? I too am seeking the answer as to why my grandfather, whose birth was around 1880 in/or around Orcop Herefordshire, was George Harris until his marriage in 1907 to Ellen when he became George Beavan Harris. He went on to own Cherry Orchards Farm on Garway Hill and on his death in 1964 he was down as George Beavan ? One of his sons, Ralph G Beavan-Harris, who married a Dorothy Powell, had the full name at birth. My father, Arthur William Harris, included Beavan, but it was not on his birth certificate in 1907. I found a William & Annie Beavan living in Spout House Orcop, Garway Hill, Hereford in the 1911 census - were they George's parents ? Annie had her surname down in 1920 as Beavan-Harris. I can find no other trace of them on any other census - did they also change their name ? Any help would be appreciated.
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Hello Sandywilliam,
another post by you and you can send personal messages to other Rootschatters.
Your Harris part of the Bevan-Harris line intrigues me. Do you have any of the following surnames in your heritage - Gilbert, Word, Cecil, Winston/e, Webb, Hyatt, Howells, Parry and Harris [we know].
If yes - we can chat further - if no Best of luck in your search and i hope the Rootschatters can asist you with your Be[a]van-Harris query.
cheers
Jack Gee
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Thanks for getting in touch. My grandfather seems an enigma for sure ! I have literally just received his marriage certificate and his name on their is definitely George Beavan Harris, but before then he was just George Harris - I think. The names you are mentioning do not ring a bell with my search, which disappointingly I think I have now reached a dead end. Thanks again !
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Thanks Sandywilliam for your quick reply. Best of luck solving your enigma.
We all have them.
cheers
Jack Gee
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Hi, I am also trying to find out how the Beavans of Cherry Orchard became the Beavan-Harris's. My mother was Margaret Beavan-Harris. Ralph was my grandfather. I remember playing at Cherry Orchards as a child when Doug Jones was the owner and Millicent's (known to us as Mrs Jones) daughter Marjorie was my dinner lady. I am trying to also figure out why Ellen Arthur, George Harris's mother was in the workhouse in 1911 having married in 1907 and then she had Ralph in 1917. Where did George go and what did he do given he had enough money to come back and buy Cherry Orchards. Such a lot to learn.
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Very interesting to hear from you - we are related - have sent a personal message.
Well done Rootschat !
KR Sandra