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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Tipperary => Topic started by: Norahs on Friday 10 July 09 00:12 BST (UK)
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Can anyone help me out? I have gone as far back as an "Old" William Armitage. Then I hit a brick wall.
Norahs
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what sort of timeframe are you interested in ?
Full Civil registration started here in Ireland in 1864.
Shane
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Post about this family on Beginners Board yesterday-
???I have been looking for a group of Armitages that went from Ireland approx 1836, one being "Old" William Armitage and sons R(h)ody, Francis, Luke and Joseph, some stayed in Ontario whereas the others went to Pontiac County, Quebec. Any help would be greatly appreciated :)
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,391348.msg2627590.html#msg2627590
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shanew147
Actually the time frame is pre 1836 as it looks like this is when the Armitages came from Ireland to Canada
Sharon
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Hi
1. You do not have much to go on, as you do not have even a county.
2. If you look in Griffiths which records tenants around 1850 (http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_family_search_results.php?familyname=armitage&firstname=&countyname=&submit=Start+Searching) and covers all Ireland, you will see 120 Armitage entries. They are spread over Ireland, but you could plot a distribution to perhaps eliminate some counties.
3. If you look at the expensive Irish Family History foundation site (http://ifhf.brsgenealogy.com/index.php?&set=yes) you will see they have 360 Armitage births. However this site is not comprehensive, and just depends on what records they have acquired. For what it is worth (and not a lot) the first Armitage births they have are in Tipperary from early 1800s.
4. If Tipperary, you could look at Bruce Elliots book on the Talbot Migration (http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=LzJN9ee6YbYC&pg=PA81&lpg=PA81&dq=%22talbot+migration%22&source=bl&ots=EW73AqfM_h&sig=UAfHG2N740IvEGay3oAUnbtAR2s&hl=en&ei=4PFcSpXJHtu6jAfSpqjPDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7) which covers a migration to Canada from Tipperary around 1815. There are Armitages in it and you can get the details by interrogating that Google book reference above
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:-[I am so-ooo stupid, it is Tipperary, the county that is. I had been looking for so long that I for got to add that very important piece of information. Sorry about that, thanks for all the information just the same, I may need it yet.
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In North Tipperary, which accounts for 91 of the 120 Armitage references in Griffiths, the bulk of them are around Nenagh (YOUGHALARRA parish) and around Modreeny (not far from Nenagh). Plus an further 21 round Dunkerrin and Templeharry in Offaly (same neck of the wood as Modreeny)
You would have enough confidence from that to read the microfiches of those 4 parishes for the time period you are interested in.
Your problem then is that William is a very common christian name! "Old William Armitage" is not a lot to go on. You need at least dates, and his childrens names may give a clue.
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Armitage interred in Shinrone;
William R Armitage Ballytoran
6/6/1937 (75)
wife; Frances; 13/2/1946 (81)
son; Walter; 4/5/1978
daughters; Harriet; 31/5/1993
Minnie Maloney; 13/6/1994
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Jack
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In June 1862 a William Armitage (son of William Armitage) married Mary Anne Green at Templemore, Co Tipperary.
Cheers
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Headstone in Templemore cemetery;
Thomas Armitage; 15/4/1962 (59)
wife-Mary; 11/4/1977 (73)
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Jack
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Modreeny graveyard; (between Cloughjordan & Borrisoleigh)
William Armitage; Behamore House Cloughjordan; 5/12/1929
wife-Irene; 15/1/1974
(interred in New cemetery)
son-Wesley; 25/7/2007
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Jack
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Hi all Armitage researchers. For a rambling 26 page discourse by Spencer Armitage-Stanley of Canada posted in 1997 under heading "Armitage in Ireland - Genealogy & Family History" go to: www.geocities.com/karmit007/armitage2 - this will make your head hurt but he does mention Rory and others including immigrants to Canada and US - anyway it's quite a read. Armitage family from Modreeny, Cloughjordan in Tipperary were Methodist prosletisers in oh so Catholic Ireland in 1800s. I have a distant connection so stumbled on this by accident. Good reading. Kenvic
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I was just in Modreeny in County Tipperary, Ireland and went to the old Church of Ireland cemetery. I took lots of pictures. My grandmother grew up in Lucan Ontario, Canada but our family was from Modreeny. I recognize the Armitage name from both Ireland and Canada. The Lucan , Ontario map from the1800's has the name as does the cemetery nearby.
My dad ( Hodgins family) recognizes the name from growing up.
Juddy
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There is a Voluntary Project where people visiting Cemeteries take photos to put online to help others... someone took some of Modreeny
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/index.htm#gsc.tab=0 then Select County, then Headstones..
25 were donated for Modreeny
http://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/photos/tombstones/tipperary-modreeny/index.html
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Armitage family were in Cloughjordan, my cousin worked for them when she left school.
I will contact her and see if there is any family in the area.
Maggsie
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Kenvic, in your post, you say that the "Armitage family from Modreeny, Cloughjordan in Tipperary were Methodist prosletisers in oh so Catholic Ireland in 1800s." Can you elaborate further and explain your source? To support your comment, my 3x great-grandfather, John Armitage, came to New York state before 1816, the year he purchased land. We think he came from Tipperary. He was instrumental in founding a Methodist church near him and one of his sons, my 2x great-grandfather became a Methodist minister. I would like to understand the history better, even though I don't have concrete family ties back to Ireland.
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Hi to all Armitage searchers. The attachment is a pdf in 'Apache Open Office' (free to download if you don't already have it). The info. is complete for my own Tree but I did record almost everything else I found on the Armitage families in Tipperary. Anybody that wants to add to the searches please post them so we can all see. Anybody else I hope there is something here of use. Best of luck.
kenvic
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Kenvic, Thank you so much for the download. It must have taken a lot of time to put together. I am printing it to check against my information. I have a DNA match to descendants of Richard Armitage, through his daughter Jane. I see them on your chart. I believe that Richard was a brother of my 3x great-grandfather, John Armitage.
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Kenvic, I'd love to be in direct contact and know more about how you connect to the Armitages in Tipperary. My maiden name is Armitage.
Yesterday, I mentioned Richard Armitage, who had a daughter Jane (b abt. 1815, d. 1877). She married Richard Mason in 1833 in Killaloe Diocese, Co. Tipperary, and they arrived in Australia in 1842.
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Hi. Yes it took some time, abt. 20 years, and built up slowly as more and more 'Armitage' revealed themselves. It is impossible to know if we are connected in any way. What is interesting that your family line has kept the name Armitage. Ours has moved sideways so many times I doubt that there is much of their dna left. The other bit of interest is that my family is also Aussie (Qld.) although I have not lived there for many years. If you look undfer the header for my 'tree' at the top (in red) you will see where the info. came from. You can also add 'The National Archives Ireland' to that list. Lots of good stuff if you know how to navigate your way around these sites. If you get stuck post here again and I will send you a PM. Best of luck, kenvic
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KaParcero. Hi again. I am a bit confused. I see in a much earlier post you are in U.S.A. Now you mention Aust. Which is which? It is a very mobile world. kenvic
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I am in the US. My 3x ggrandfather, John Armitage, settled in western New York state(a very rural area) before 1820. In 1859, Richard Armitage and some of his children (Jane's siblings) came to New York to live with John and they are listed in the 1860 Federal Census. One of Richard's sons was William, who married Anna Maria Thorp and ended up in Illinois(you have him in your information with a different father).
I live very close to where my John settled.
I have been to Cloughjordan, Tipperary and met 2 Armitage descendants there. They shared some very large family tree sheets that show their descent from the "Big" Armitage siblings, children of John and Mary (?) Armitage. John was son of Joseph (Garrane) and Ann (Lewis ?) Armitage.
My goal is to figure out who are parents of my John, born about 1787 and RIchard, born about 1784.
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The above should read that Richard(b. 1784) and several children arrived in New York in 1849 (not 1859). They are listed in the household of John and Fanny Armitage, in Galen, Wayne County, New York in the 1850 US Federal Census.
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Hi, See this link......below....a John Armitage married a Frances Armitage this was her maiden name.
Is this who you are looking for?
It doesn't say where they were both from or their parents.
Killaloe as a Diocese covers a large area, Ossory as a Diocese is the next one to Killaloe.
http://census.nationalarchives.ie/search/dm/results.jsp?diocese_name=&surname=armitage&firstname=john&event_year_from=&event_year_to=&spouse_last_name=&spouse_first_name=&search=Search
This next link is before their marriage in 1826 this is 1823 or just before as it doesn't show a date.
http://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=armitage&firstname=&county=Tipperary&parish=&townland=&search=Search
I know you said you have been to Cloughjordan, have you seen this link?
http://www.interment.net/data/ireland/tipperary/modrneey/index.htm
I often visit this graveyard when I am in Ireland.
Maggsie
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My 3x ggrandfather, John Armitage, bought land in western New York state in 1816 and in the 1820 US Federal Census there are several children listed. At least 2 of the children are his sons, Joseph, born 1818 and John B. born 1820. There is a passenger list to New York City in 1811 that lists a John Armitage, from Tipperary. I can't be sure this is my John, but if it is, then he married Fanny in New York, either in Ulster of Washington County. One record shows Joseph born in Washington County.
So, my John can't be the one listed in your link. There are just too many Johns and Frances/Fannys to sort them out.
Thanks for your reply ant the inks.
KaParcero
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Maggsie. Thank you for your interest. I love Internment as usually it sorts out the nitty gritty of which William or Which Frannie etc so often. Sadly this time there does seem to be a problem. Firstly there does seem to have been at least three and maybe four John & Frances (Fanny / Frannie) Armitage. I have the deaths of John of Uskane house and Fanny in 1845/1851 not 1945/51. This is the couple who married in 1826. Or maybe not. All is not as clear as it may seem. Roots and Ancestry appear to have the children from at least two of the families hopelessly mixed. One couple went to the U.S. another stayed home. I guess if we did deep enough we will sort it especially with help from others like you. I once lived in Ireland, way, way back and while my family is mainly from Offaly I have visited Cloughjordan. I like it a lot. Cheers, kenvic
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Since our Armitages went from England/Yorkshire to settle in Ireland in the 1600s, you might be interested in the following blog about Landed Families. The link below is to a list of the family bios. Look for both Armitage and Armytage. There are several articles about them.
https://landedfamilies.blogspot.com/p/list-of-families.html