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Title: completed - 1851 census - decipher please
Post by: eac61 on Sunday 12 July 09 10:36 BST (UK)
Can someone tell me what the first column reads.  Also the last column says shopkeeper/farmer ?????

The person lived in Devynnock, Breconshire
Title: Re: 1851 census - decipher please
Post by: Richard Knott on Sunday 12 July 09 10:37 BST (UK)
The bit after farmer says 14 ac(res).

Richard
Title: Re: 1851 census - decipher please
Post by: eac61 on Sunday 12 July 09 10:41 BST (UK)
thanks !!!  so would suspect the first column to be the name of the farm ??
Title: Re: 1851 census - decipher please
Post by: charlotteCH on Sunday 12 July 09 10:49 BST (UK)
14 acres, yes ;D

Is the first word Caper??? maybe Caperhouse ?   name of the farm I'd think.

Did the family live there for a long time? If so, maybe if you looked at another census you'd get different more legible writing  ???

charlotte
Title: Re: 1851 census - decipher please
Post by: eac61 on Sunday 12 July 09 10:58 BST (UK)
Good idea Charlotte !! Attached is the 1861 census
Title: Re: 1851 census - decipher please
Post by: charlotteCH on Sunday 12 July 09 11:06 BST (UK)
Might have seemed a good idea at the time but it's blown out of the water my idea that it might be Caperhouse  ::)
I'm none the wiser  :D

some bright spark will turn up and read it straight off...

charlotte
Title: Re: 1851 census - decipher please
Post by: eac61 on Sunday 12 July 09 11:13 BST (UK)
It looks to me like its Capel Rhos - but I cant find that anywhere if I google it - trying to find out where they lived - is there a way of pinpointing where it is from anything else on the census records - maybe some sort of grid reference which would help as maybe the farm is no longer there which is more than likely
Title: Re: 1851 census - decipher please
Post by: charlotteCH on Sunday 12 July 09 11:23 BST (UK)
if you have say the film or microfiche of the census, at the beginning[I think] of each section the enumerator wrote out the route he followed... maybe you can work out from this and from other entries close by the puzzling one, just where the farm was by matching the entries near your one with the route followed...and then ask the Local Studies Library what the name of the farm was...
That expalantion is just about as clear as theclose to  illegible name of the farm ... ::)

the point to looking at the route is to give the studies Library as many clues as possible and minimize the work they'd need to do.

Others may well have better approaches.

charlotte

Title: Re: 1851 census - decipher please
Post by: Magrat on Sunday 12 July 09 11:32 BST (UK)
Not much help I know but doesn't Capel mean Chapel in welsh and Rhos mean moor or promontory?
Perhaps there was a hamlet or just the farm at this place which would be too small to show on a map.

On a website giving monumental inscriptions of Breconshire, this appears - probably unconnected.

Llanafan Fawr:  Capel Rhos, Brongarth, Congregational;

Magrat
Title: Re: 1851 census - decipher please
Post by: eac61 on Sunday 12 July 09 11:38 BST (UK)
isnt 14 acres a fair size for a farm ???
Title: Re: 1851 census - decipher please
Post by: Magrat on Sunday 12 July 09 11:56 BST (UK)
I found this on the council planning applications.  I noticed from the map that Devynnock is quite close to Heol Senni so might give a clue to the general area where the farm was.

06/00509/FUL     N: 223424 E: 292792     J Surridge Esq for Relocation of cesspool (Full Application) at Plot Adjacent To Capel Rhos, Heol Senni, Maescar     Permit     9 March 2007

Cheers
Magrat
Title: Re: 1851 census - decipher please
Post by: Richard Knott on Sunday 12 July 09 12:44 BST (UK)
In the 1871 and 1881 censuses (where it still Capel Rhos) it is placed in the hamlet of Senny.

Richard
Title: Re: 1851 census - decipher please
Post by: eac61 on Sunday 12 July 09 17:46 BST (UK)
Thanks for everyones replies - I have been to Senny/Defynnock today and if the farm is still there we could not find it ........ not to worry.  At least now I know where it was ....
Title: Re: completed - 1851 census - decipher please
Post by: Fisherman on Monday 13 July 09 18:57 BST (UK)
Hi,

Capel Rhos still exists in the hamlet of Senni. 
If I had seen this thread yesterday I could have solved the problem.
To make up for my oversight I took this photo of the house earlier this evening for you.

Chris


Title: Re: completed - 1851 census - decipher please
Post by: eac61 on Monday 13 July 09 19:37 BST (UK)
Chris

Thank you so so much

There are many questions I want to ask

EAC61
Title: Re: completed - 1851 census - decipher please
Post by: Fisherman on Monday 13 July 09 19:52 BST (UK)
A couple more views

Chris