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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Suffolk => Topic started by: family_tree_owl on Sunday 12 July 09 12:14 BST (UK)
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Hi
Am looking up details of one George Herbert aka 'Bertie' Fidgett (b 1883/4 - d 1915 France). Have all his own WW1 data and enough about his own family onwards... this is for Boss at work :-\ He joined up in 1900 and shows up alone as soldier on 1901 census...
BUT cannot seem to find any relatives going backwards (ie parents) on Census 1891, 1881, etc. Have managed to find a Thomas Fidgett marrying a Rebecca Ellen Clixby in 1871 in Hull ???
Haven't yet got anything like GRO certificates to indicate precisely parents names but, do know from WW1 soldiers docs that Mum (forename looks like Rebecca) Fidgett was living in St Peters, Suffolk. see attached
On the 'next of kin section... what does it say in brackets alongside name Charles Fidgett (is he the father??)?
I am aware of the deviations on the surname but this hasn't seemed to help..
Cheers
Document removed as I think that the initial query has been answered and unfortunately the size of of the document is distorting the thread. Please feel free to post a smaller resized version.
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Hi, If he was born in 1843 he must have been 57 when he joined up in 1900?
Is his birth year really 1843/4? Seems very old for the army to take him.
charlotte
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Woops..
brain and keyboard not in sinc
1883/4
ta
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Ok... that's a bit more like it ;D ;D
have you looked on CWGC site? Commonwealth War Grave Commission site- may be of interest to your Boss.
the word in bracket after Charles Fidgett is almost illegible... is it dec'd? that migght make sense but don't think that is it ???
Sorry not to be able to decipher this.
charlotte
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Hi
If he married Lucy A Brice in 1911
June Quarter
Woolwich
Greater London/Kent
vol 1d
page 2105
wouldnt it be better to get the marriage cert to see who his father was , seems to old to have joined the army as Charlotte says ???
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Yes, Ye Olde Friar is right ;)... getting the marriage cert is the best way to establish who his father was.
Then maybe as a bonus it will throw light on the illegible word ;D
charlotte
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1901
There is Rebecca Fidgett
Rebecca Fidgett head wid 46 gen shop keeper Suffolk
living at St Peter, Ipswich, Suffolk
Rg13/ 1775
folio 101
page 8
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Tried blowing up the image a little and all I can make out for the bracketed word is Olser, could it be his occupation Ostler?
By the way, Little Gipping Street (and for that matter Great Gipping Street :D still in Ipswich - they are close to Civic Drive (part of the 1960s redevelopment).
Pat ...
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Birth cert
George Herbert Fidgett
1884
Jun qtr.
District: Ipswich
County: Suffolk
Volume: 4a
Page: 775
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I think the word after Charles Fidgett is "older". Perhaps it means older brother.
There are births for:
Thomas Charles Fidgett Dec.1882 Ipswich 4a 731
George Herbert Fidgett Jun 1884 Ipswich 4a 775
Ernest Frederick Fidgett Mar 1887 Ipswich 4a 775 and unfortunately a death for
Ernest Frederick Fidgett Jun 1887 Ipswich 4a 454
Did you see Bertie Fidgett on the 1901 census, aged 18 and a driver in the army, based at Aldershot, reference RG13/ 612/115/26?
Can't find any trace of them on any other census.
Presumably you've found his name on the CWGC site. He is listed under B Fidgett and died on 7.6.1915. He also shows up on Ancestry, where it shows that he enlisted in Blackheath, London SE. So it could be that the family were all living in London at some stage.
Lizzie
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Tried blowing up the image a little and all I can make out for the bracketed word is Olser, could it be his occupation Ostler?
By the way, Little Gipping Street (and for that matter Great Gipping Street :D still in Ipswich - they are close to Civic Drive (part of the 1960s redevelopment).
Pat ...
Thats what the address was on the 1901 census, I couldn't make out what it was at first ;) ;)
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LizzieW, having looked at the image again a little while ago, I too wondered if it could be Older ~ possibly older sibling?
YOF - welcome to Rootschat, I noticed the address on the image above :D
Pat ...
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Just a thought ;)
Looking at Census returns on A******y and on the Cosford-Database, it would seem that there are a great many Fidgett folk from an area near to Hadleigh, around Layham, Raydon, through to Stoke-by-Nayland.
We lived in Lower Raydon in the 1970s and I don't remember the name at that time (mostly Stiff and Chisnall).
Pat ...
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THANKS ALL
Yes, had found 'B' (aka George Herbert) on both CWGC 'Debt of Honour' site and on Ancestry under Soldiers Records - no doubt I have right man, but...
Yes, Lucy Adelaide was the wife who later married Edwin Kirk in 1916.
Will get birth cert and visit Parish records to take further..
Dave
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HI ALL
Waiting for certs, etc
In mean time - the WW1 document you have all looked at:
1. I agree word after Charles Fidgett is probably 'Older'
2. Notice word 'Mother' is inscribed to left of Rebecca F..' What is it that is inscribed further left at same level as 'George F...' (above where it says AD or AB 358...) 'brother' perhaps?
Ta Muchly
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I am well aware that these messages are very old but could not resist replying in the hope that someone picks it up. The Fidgetts you are referring to are my grandmother's half brothers. Here comes the confusion! I found the 1881 and 1891 census for my g.grandparents and family - the Peacocks. On the 1891 census I then note that Rebecca (the mother) had three additional sons, Thomas Charles, George Herbert and Victor Fidgett Peacock (I found out the latter name from a death certificate (age 4). YES, Rebecca called herself Fidgett on these boys' birth certificates but reverted to Peacock on the 1911 census and on her death certificate.
I knew nothing of the name Fidgett until I traced my grandmother's siblings' children and grandchildren as my grandmother left her three small children!
In 1891 they lived in St. Clements, Ipswich.
Cheers, Goldbar
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I am well aware that these messages are very old but could not resist replying in the hope that someone picks it up.
Cheers, Goldbar
Hi Goldbar
Haven't been on here in long time but, what you have said is welcome...
Thanks
This was done as a very brief 'little dig' by me for my Boss... not sure far how far he has taken up the challenge... think he has a relative who has done somewhat more research?
May be I can put you in touch ?
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Hi family-tree-owl. Yes, that would be great as there is quite a story to this family and my mother knew nothing of her maternal relatives, but I have uncovered a great deal so I would welcome this. What avenue do you suggest? I even have photographs of Rebecca Peacock.
I joined specifically to reply to that message.
Cheers
Goldbar
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I am intrigued by this message thread as I am researching the various Fidgett families. The birth certificates for Thomas Charles and George Herbert show the father to be Thomas Fidgett and the mother as Rebecca (formerly Cooper). Rebecca Cooper married George Peacock in Jan/Feb/Mar 1869 and they appear on the 1881 Census for Harwich along with five children. George presumably died or disappeared soon afterwards, and Rebecca appears to have had a number of children fathered by Thomas Fidgett, but I can find no record of marriage between Thomas Fidgett and Rebecca Peacock. Thomas is a bit of a mystery to me; the most likely contender is John Thomas Fidgett, born Mistley 1860, who died Oct/Nov/Dec 1888. I would welcome any further information supporting or discounting this theory, and am happy to exchange information that I have with 'Goldbar' and 'family_tree_owl'.
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Hi FidgettFerret,
Yes, you are right that it is a mystery. The reason I started researching this family is that the child (Eliza Maud Peacock) on the 1881/91 Census was my grandmother who did a "disappearing act" on three very small little girls, one of whom was my mother. I was pleased to find the family and yes, my mother and one of her sisters was born in Harwich.
I then started investigating Rebecca and George Peacock. You are right, Rebecca was a Cooper from Chelmondiston, near Ipswich and the family had lived there for some generations.
Because Rebecca appeared as a widow on the 1891 Census as a widow in Ipswich I then started to research George's death but have never been able to find it.
I then moved sideways and found grandchildren of sisters who have given me masses of information including informing me that the three young boys on the 1891 Census were called Fidgett.
I have a birth certificate for Thomas Charles b. 1882 whose father was Thomas a labourer and at the time they were living at 3. Lower Orwell Street, Ipswich.
I have a death certificate for Victor Fidgett Peacock, d. 1892 at George Street, Harwich, aged 4 and it says he was the son of John Peacock, a Journeyman Miller, mother, Rebecca Peacock.
Your guess is as good as mine!
I could not trace the 1901 Census but I found the 1911 Census and Rebecca Peacock was living in Greenwich. She then died in the Union Infrmary in 1918 in Greenwich.
I welcome your interest and hope you understand all this.
Goldbar
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Hi Goldbar,
My main interest here is attempting to identify Thomas Fidgett the 'husband' of Rebecca Cooper/Peacock/Fidgett. I would welcome any suggestions/comments on this.
You mentioned that you couldn't find Rebecca Fidgett/Peacock on the 1901 Census. I am reasonably certain that she is Rebecca Fidgett of 8 Little Gipping St, Ipswich (see an earlier posting by 'Ye Olde Friar') as this address was given by Bertie (George Herbert) Fidgett as his next of kin on his Army Records.
Regarding Victor Fidgett Peacock, there appears to be no birth record for him. His death was registered in the Tendring District, which covers Harwich, where his mother and her Peacock children were living in 1881. However, in 1882-1891+ they were living in Ipswich. I wonder if John Albert V Peacock (born Ipswich Oct/Nov/Dec 1888) is the same Victor Fidgett Peacock? I am puzzled as to who
John Peacock (journeyman Miller) is, since George Peacock was the husband of Rebecca Cooper, and father of her first five children (1881 Census) and then Thomas Fidgett was father of Thomas Charles and George Herbert (I also have these two birth certificates), and presumably also Ernest Frederick, and possibly John Albert V. I wonder if there are Baptism records in Ipswich for these boys?
In the 1911 Census George (Bertie) was living at Blackheath Hill, London (near Geenwich) with his wife Lucy and three daughters. He was working as a Miller's Labourer. Maybe Rebecca moved from Ipswich to Greenwich to be close to her son and grandchildren?
There are still many unanswered questions here, so hopefully there will be a number of useful replies to this posting.
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I see that there has been a long lull in this thread, but very interested in any information on George Herbert's family, as he was my paternal grandmother's father. She was Gertrude Ivy Fidgett, daughter of Lucy Adelaide (Brice/Fidgett/Kirk).