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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Wexford => Topic started by: TheRedFox on Tuesday 14 July 09 20:58 BST (UK)
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My Mothers father Patrick John FANNING was born 22 Jan 1865 near Coolgreany. I have found him on the newly released 1911 census for Wexford with his first wife Caroline, daughter Mary Ellen and son Patrick. I'm exactly sure but I believe his first wife may have died Q2, 1915
I haven't identified exactly when he married my grandmother Elizabeth (Maiden name??) but they had a large family of 5 sons and 3 daughters and their births range from 1915 through to late 1920's. All their births appear to have been registered within Gorey Registration District.
I understand he was also Justice of the Peace (JP) and as I also believe he may have stood for the Independents in the 5th Dail on 9th June 1927. Unfortunately I have not found any newpaper articles relating to him.
Unfortunately my searches have now come to a slight halt at the moment but I would like to try and reference any Parish records available for the general public to view. My own investigations have drawn a blank as the local catholic church near Cullenogue do not appear to have records prior to 1960, prior to this year the record are held at Arus Lorcain, Arklow but according to the contact I had there does not appear to be any records for the Fanning Family.
Does anyone have any local knowledge of the Fanning family from Cullenogue, or have any other suggestions which may help me move this forward. I have resigned myself of having to travel over to Wexford at some stage to further my search.
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Since you have found Patrick and Caroline in the 1911 census you should be able to work out what year (+/-1) they were married.
Using that information you might find their marriage at:
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1408347;p=2;t=searchable
Patrick’s birth should be also on that site.
If you want to order birth, marriage or death certs you can do so here:
http://www.groireland.ie/apply_for_a_cert.htm
Good luck with your search.
Dara.
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Dara,
Many thanks for your reply. :)
Yes I did calculate their marriage from the 1911 census taking it back to around 1886.
Unfortunately I cannot find any reference to their marriage, or for that matter the second marriage.
One thing I did note was his first wife was born in Co. Wicklow, so there is a possibility they may have married in Co. Wicklow.
Neither of these dates appear on the Familysearch website, either the 'normal' or 'Pilot' Search :(
Thanks for the link for ordering certificates, this may well help in the future but I'd rather try and find more info before going down this avenue.
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it might be worth trying the National Library in Dublin for Fanning parish records. The have a list and dates of the microfilms they hold : http://www.nli.ie/en/parish-register.aspx
there's a map of the Co. Wexford Catholic parishes on the Irish Times website at : http://www.irishtimes.com/ancestor/browse/counties/rcmaps/wexfordrc.htm
It looks like the townland of Cullenoge is in the Civil parish of Kilcavan, which is RC parish of Kilanieran/Kilanerin
records for this parish are on microfilm : P.4255 this contains Baptisms and Marriages between 1852 and 1880.
Shane
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Shane,
Appreciate the response. :)
Looks like I'll have to schedule a visit to Dublin unless there's some other way of viewing these Microfilms remotely.
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unfortunately the National Library has no online facility for viewing parish records and Co. Wexford is not included in the IFHF website at the moment.
might be worth checking if LDS have films for this parish..
Shane
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Shane,
Thought this might be the answer... :(
Looks like I'll have to start planning a visit to Ireland. :)
LDS do seem to have a record for my Grandfather's birth/christening, namely:
Source Information:
Batch No.: Dates: Source Call No.: Type: Printout Call No.: Type:
C701252 1865 0101101 Film NONE
Sheet: 00
However a call to my local LDS History Centre (Leicester) seems to indicate that they don't have a record/film that can be called up.. :(
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Hi The redfox
I don't know if this is any good to you St Patrick's church Crannford
Fanning Erected by Joseph Fanning, Barnadown Lower in memory of his wife Mary Ann Fanning who died on 17th April 1907 age 32 years also same place Craanford In loving memory of Margaret Fanning , Clonamona who died on 24th June 1973 age 84 years and her son Patrick died 12 July 1978 age 56 years both Gorey Wexford
Regards Manus
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Manus,
Thanks for this info.
I don't think this is anything to do with my mother's family, at the moment, but you never know...
I will make a note of it for future reference.
Thanks again for the response.
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Follow-up to my queries from last year.......
I had the fortune to travel over to Dublin towards the end of last year and spend a well earned day in the NLI reading microfiches....
After trawling through pages and pages of records I believe I did finally found my grandfather on Microfiche 4255 which covers Ballygarret, Ballyoughter and Killanerin parishes:
24 March 1865 Childs Name Patrick John Father: Patrick Fanning Mother: Ellen Murphy
Godparents/Sponsors: Freddie(?) Murphy/Julia Fanning
Interestingly it appears his marriage to my grandmother Elizabeth (DARCEY) has been written in the records, I guess by the parish priest, so at least now I know when my grandparents were married and my grandmothers maiden name!!
I have still to confirm what happened to his first wife?
My post relates now to a query to his birthplace as his birth certificate I sent for, it has his address as Ballylusk, but the church records have his place of residence as Seaview, which I'm more inclined to agree with as there does seem to be some ties on old gravestones I've seen in Kilninor Cemetery.
To add more confusion to this I also found a Patrick Fanning, place of residence Ballylusk:
18 February 1865 Childs Name Patrick Father: William Fanning Mother: Ellen Doyle
Godparents/Sponsors: John Darcy/Cath Mullings
Is there a chance the General Register Office could have picked up the wrong Patrick Fanning when responding to my request for the birth certificate. I'm not sure how open they are to reviewing previous requests as it is a good 6 months since I requested the birth certificate.
Any help gratefully received..
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Unfortunately Patrick is quite a common name. To identify which is the correct 1865 birth record you may have to confirm the parents names through the birth cert of a younger sibling that had the same mother.
Dara.
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Dara,
Thanks for your response - How true you are about 'Patrick', perhaps one of the most common male names, alongside 'Michael' in Ireland.
I did make note of any occurance I came across the name FANNING whilst in the NLI, as it's a long way from to go back, and you never know where it could lead.
I have a record for perhaps a sibling. Same parents in the church records but it had "Parents Unknow" written alongside the record
and Place of Residence was noted as Ahullen. All starts to sound like something out of a detective novel. I wish I could just find some more concrete evidence.
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Headstone Inscriptions taken from Kilnenor Cemetery. Nine FANNING memorials in a row, from 1) right to 9) left, there is a short gap between the first three and the remaining six: so is very likly all are related.
1) Erected by Anne Fanning of Monalee in memory of her beloved husband William Fanning who died 15th Oct 1880 aged 64 years also the above named Anne Fanning who died 18th Oct 1913 aged 89 years. Also their daughter Mary Fanning who died 25th July 1914 aged 43.
2) Erected/by/Elizabeth Fanning of Rathpierce in memory of her beloved husband Patrick Fanning who died 8th May 1889 aged 68 years. Also her daughter Elizabeth died young. The above Elizabeth
Fanning died 20th Oct 1915 aged 79 years.
3) Erected by Pat Fanning of Capetown in memory of his mother Mary Anne Fanning of Rathpierce who died 12th Dec 1870 aged 60 years. Also his father Michael Fanning died 13th Oct 1884 aged 76 years his sister Johanna died 6th June 1885 aged 28 years his brother James fanning died 8th Dec 1899 aged 60 years his brother John died 15th Aug 1914 aged 80 yrs. His sister Mary died 14th Jan 1918 aged 68 yrs.
4) Erected by Elizabeth Fanning of Tomcoyle in memory of her beloved husband John Fanning who died 1st May 1866 aged 68 years. Of their two daughters Eliza died 16th March 1850 aged 19 yrs.
Anne died 15th Sept 1852 aged 8 yrs and of their son Michl who died in America. The above erectoress who died 10 April 1868 aged 68 years.
5) Sacred to the memory of Michael Fanning Sea View who depd this life 12th of April 1837 aged 68 years also his wife Catharine Fanning who depd this life 21 of Jan 1854 aged 79 years. Also his grandson James Fanning who died 28th April 1867 aged 16 years and also Michael Fanning his son who died 18th June 1876 aged61 years.
6) Beneath this stone in the hope of a happy resurrection is deposited the mortal remains of the Revd Joseph Fanning of (Ahullin?) who returned to his maker a life…………. and his god on the 20th day of January? Anno Domine one thousand eight hundred thirty four aged forty one years.
7) Here lieth the body of John (Fanning) who departed this life the 28 (day of?) June 1798 aged 23 years also the body of Michl Fanning his father departed this life March 15th 1812 aged 64 years also Wm Fanning June . . . . 1827 aged 19 years………………………………and of James Fanning of Gurteen son of the above Michael who depart this life the 12th March 1861 aged 84 years also his wife Margaret Fanning who died/Sept 1870 aged 84 years John Fanning of Gauteen died 15th Aug 1890 aged 76 years.
8) This tomb erected by Patt Fanning of Ahullin in memory of his belovd daughter Julia who depd this life February 5th 1836 aged 8 years. Also the above Patt Fanning who depd this life Nov 24th 1814 aged 62 years also his beloved wife Mary Ann Fanning who departed this life April 15th 1866 aged 75 years also his daughter Eliza Fanning who depd this life 12th Jan 1878. His daughter Catharine Fanning depd this life 17th Feby 1879. His son Michael Fanning depd this life 23rd Feby 1885. His nephew Patrick Fanning who died 1st Mar 1941.
9) This stone was erected by James Byrne C° Wicklow in memory of his beloved wife Mary Byrne alias Fannen depd this life Decr 20th 1796 aged…..remainder of inscription under ground
Kindest
John G.
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John,
Many thanks for your mail.
I'm assuming you've got a copy of Brian J. Cantwell's published works, compiled in May 1979 detailing the Kilninor Cemetery.
The only reason I say this as I managed to obtain a photocopy from Gorey Public Library whilst visiting back in July 2008.
Not sure if you are familiar with the actual graveyard but I had the opportunity to visit at the time, sadly it is now very overgrown, as like a lot of graveyards. However having been there once before over 20 years ago, I was able to quickly recall roughly where the FANNING's are all buried.
Brian's publication for some reason did not pick up my grandfathers headstone, which for the record is to the left of PATT FANNING tomb. Not sure why my grandfather headstone was not identified at the time of Brian research, perhaps it may have been at the stone masons ? Several of his children are also buried in the same plot with him along with my Grandmother (Elizabeth)
For the record and perhaps for future research, my Grandfathers headstone reads as follows:
In Fond Memory of
PATRICK J. FANNING
Died 15th March 1940 Aged 75 Yrs
LELIA FANNING
Died 24th April 1941. Aged 19 Yrs
KEVIN FANNING
Died 24th April 1952 Aged 36 Yrs
BRENDAN FANNING
Died 30th Jan. 1955. Aged 38 Yrs
MARY ELLEN FANNING
Died 24th April 1956.
ELIZABETH FANNING
Died 5th Feb. 1964. Aged 77 Yrs
COLEMAN FANNING
Who Died in England
October 1980. Aged 57 Yrs
Late of Cullengue
R I P
If anyone else has further info let me know.
Thanks again :)
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Thank you for the updates,
Just a note of caution, It is important to keep in mind that when referring to Brian J. Cantwell's published works, inscriptions bearing dates later than 1860 have not, with certain exceptions, been copied. The exceptions are:
1. Where inscriptions bearing later dates are on the same memorial then all have been copied.
2. adjacent memorials bearing the same or related names have been listed irrespective of dates.
Regards
John G.
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John,
Thanks for the note of caution, I will bear that in mind for any future references.
By the way thanks for the details linking a PAT FANNING of Rathpierce Hill mentioned in "Alice Green Ballyfad 1850" post.
I've yet to make a connection back to my grandfather, who would have been around 22 Yrs old at the time of the evictions.
I noted that Peggy Doyle's book referenced in the Coolgreany Evictions post is no longer available/in publication.
Apart from the copy in Gorey Library are there any other copies available elsewhere?
Regards.
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This is an old post so don't know if you have found this information, but in case not, here are records assembled by genealogist Hilary Murphy in 2001.
Patrick Fanning (b about 1790 in Ahullen, Kilanerin, Wexford) married Maryanne Tremble (1791 - 1866) about 1820. They had 8 children, the youngest of which was Patrick Fanning (b 1835)
Patrick (b 1835) married Ellen Murphy in 1863. They had son Patrick John Fanning (1865 - 1940) in Ahullen.
Patrick John married in 1886 Caroline Grant (b 1848, d/o William Grant and Eliza Keegan of Ballykillageer, Arklow) and they had Mary (1887-1956) and Patrick (1889-1980) before Caroline died I would guess around 1890. Patrick John married around 1915 Eliza (assume Elizabeth) Darcy (~ 1887 - 1964) and they had 7 children listed although there is another record someone in the family had that clearly listed an 8th child. They had Kevin (1915 - 1952), Brendan (1916 -1955), Aidan (b 1918), Fintan (b 1920), Lelia (1922-1941), Colman (1924 - 1980), and Martha (b ~ 1926). The additional child listed in a different account of the funeral of PJ Fanning, is Alice (b 1919).
Terri
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Terri,
Thank You so much for getting in contact.
I appreciate it is an old post but any news is good news when individuals like yourself get in touch... :)
Where exactly can I find the information you are referring to?
Is it within a book/document that is still available or is it out of print?, or is it available on-line?
Caroline Fanning was actually alive well into the 1900's as she can be seen in both the 1901 and 1911 census' living in the Parish of Kilnenor with my grandfather PJ Fanning and children Mary and Patrick. PJ Fanning married my grandmother 'Bessie' DARCY on 10th Feb. 1915
The additional child Alice, is my mother.....
The obituary I have seen a copy of (The Enniscorthy Guardian 23/2/1940) does not list my mother.
If you have seen a different obituary then I would be interested is obtaining a copy. I'm was never sure whether my mother was in attendance at the funeral as I believed she had crossed over to England and was training to be a nurse in London at the time of WWII.
I would be eternally grateful if you can get back to me either on this post or PM as the information you provided about my grandfathers family is very interesting and will hopefully enable me to 'pick up the scent' again as I had come to a grinding halt tracing the family further.
Kind Regards
Tony
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Tony:
The information I have comes from a genealogy report that I believe was commissioned by one of my husband's aunts around 2000. The report has a publication date of 2001; it wasn't "published" in the form of a book, but more in the form of a report. Hilary Murphy, who wrote the report, has published a book titled "Families of County Wexford" and he founded the Wexford Family History Society, so he is considered the foremost authority on Wexford genealogy. I suspect that the information in this report is as reliable as anything available. The report contains a compilation of information from census records, gravestone inscriptions, stories about Fannings in Wexford, and other information sources.
Your (very correct) remark about Caroline Grant Fanning being alive in the 1901 and 1911 census made me look back on what I had recorded for my husband's family in ancestry.com. I realized that I still have a lot of information yet to look over, verify where possible, and input, so I thank you for that reminder.
I thought I had remembered something about a funeral notice that caused me to make a note of Alice born in 1919 in these notes a year or so ago. In discussing this with my husband, he remembered finding a posting about another child in this family, and I noted this information alongside my copy of PJ Fanning's Enniscorthy obit, so am sure I was mistaken in thinking this came from an alternative obiturary. I suspect now that the information on Alice came from a posting you made, which my husband found and read to me. I apologize for misrepresenting my source. It's the Alzheimer's kicking in yet again.
I am guessing that you would like to get copies of some of the documents/information I have in this record. Easiest for you to contact me by email. I am new to this forum. Can you access my email address through it?
Terri
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Terri,
Have sent PM so we can continue 'off-post'
Thanks Again
Tony