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Title: 1871 & 1891 Kensington SCAIFE, EDWARDS
Post by: Kiwi007 on Sunday 27 February 05 10:49 GMT (UK)
1871 look up

I'm wondering if anyone could find

Amy SCAIFE aged 39 b Kennington

and her daughter

Mabel SCAIFE aged 8 b Acton, Middlesex

 living in Kensington

Also, a cousin in 1891

Eugenie E EDWARDS aged 17 b Kensington
hopefully living with Leicester E EDWARDS

I need to know who they were all living with and address if possible.

Thanks kindly

Jocelyn
Title: Re: 1871 & 1891 Kensington SCAIFE, EDWARDS
Post by: sillgen on Sunday 27 February 05 11:37 GMT (UK)
No luck with Amy or Mabel but found Eugenie
 1891 P469 F114  Camberwell
Eugenie Edwards Head Wid 40 b Smyrna Turkey
Eugenie dau 17  b Kensington
Leicester son 15   b      "
Kenwick??? T (illegible) son age 15 b Herts St Margaret
Elsie Paterson Wid sister to Head 30 b Smyrna
There is a birth and marriage for a Eugenie Elaine Edwards on FREEBMD but I assume you have seen that.
Andrea
Title: Re: 1871 & 1891 Kensington SCAIFE, EDWARDS
Post by: Kiwi007 on Sunday 27 February 05 11:52 GMT (UK)
That was quick ! Thank you so much for looking that up for me. Now we know Eugenie's maiden name too !

I did find that marriage in 1903 but thanks for having a peek for me.

Now I hope someone can help out with the 1871 census....

many thanks again

Jocelyn
Title: Re: 1871 & 1891 Kensington SCAIFE, EDWARDS
Post by: sillgen on Sunday 27 February 05 16:50 GMT (UK)
You don't know her maiden name as her sister was a widow!!!
Title: Re: 1871 & 1891 Kensington SCAIFE, EDWARDS
Post by: Kiwi007 on Sunday 27 February 05 20:51 GMT (UK)
Very Good - this is what happens at midnight  and one has been looking for the unmarried sister -in-law - Harriet Barbara EDWARDS ( now found )!!!!

Thanks for pointing that out though.

There is a Twedale TRISTRAM in 1881 who married a girl from Smyrna and an EDWARDS is living with them - a brother-in-law -so I am nutting how he is a brother-in-law. I'll try to concentrate this time !

Cheers
Jocelyn
Title: Re: 1871 & 1891 Kensington SCAIFE, EDWARDS
Post by: Sisterjane on Monday 28 February 05 02:46 GMT (UK)
here ya go 1881  cencus

Emma c Edwards 71  Head Widow   b  m iddx      Annuitant
Harriet B Edwards  78 Sister in Law  b Middx        Annuitany
Mabel J Scaife         18 GRANDAUGHTER b Acton
Mary J Hibbles      22 un servant   b Amersham  Bucks
------------------------------------
Address
Ranelagh RD
EALING
m
MIDDX

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rg11/1346  folio 99

---------------------Joe
Title: Re: 1871 & 1891 Kensington SCAIFE, EDWARDS
Post by: Sisterjane on Monday 28 February 05 03:04 GMT (UK)
Heres Amy in 1881

Annie gordon  53  head  b kensington  Annuitant
Rosalea gordon 27 un dau  b Kensington
William Cozen  43  un  visitor b Ireland    Bank clerk
AMY SCAIFE     24  UN   NIECE   B Melbourne Australia
Francis james  17 un  servant
chalotte holden 24 un    ''
Annie morgan    24  un    ''
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address  113 Ladbroke Grove Middx

RG11/0035
FOLIO 48
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JOE














Title: Re: 1871 & 1891 Kensington SCAIFE, EDWARDS
Post by: Kiwi007 on Monday 28 February 05 07:04 GMT (UK)
Hi Joe,

thanks for taking a look for me - I did have Mabel in 1881 which is why I was hoping to find her 1891 .... although I wanted to find Mabel and her mother in 1871 first ! - but maybe the Scaife family went to Melbourne Australia. However, the mother, Amy Arabella SCAIFE died in 1876 along with a John Scaife same Q in Kensington so they must have come back to England at some point - assuming they went to OZ. I'll try to find where the Gordon connection fits with the SCAIFE line now that you have found that entry
If anyone has the 1891 census Mabel is Mabel G SCAIFE b 1864 and as an orphan, it would be good to know who she is living with .

I have padded out this family rather more than  I thought possible thanks to all these great look ups people are doing.

This isn't my family actually - I'm doing it for fun for someone else - mad eh !

cheers
Jocelyn
Title: Re: 1871 & 1891 Kensington SCAIFE, EDWARDS
Post by: Sisterjane on Monday 28 February 05 12:20 GMT (UK)
Here ya go Jocelyn

1891 CENCUS

SCAIFE
Edith H    24   Head m  b  Constantinople    Kensington
Gillian A     5    dau   b            ''
Hilda J        4    dau  b            ''
John A  H    2    son  b             ''
MABEL G     27   SISTER   b   Acton
Elizabeth Loader  25 b  Somerset    Servant
Agnes J Mcleon   18 b   Liverpool         ''
Linnie A Mears     23  b  Islington         ''
Jane Mills             49  b   Edinburgh      ''
-------------------------------------
RG12/33
kENSINGTON
folio123
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Address looks like   Harwich Rd
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Joe   
Title: Re: 1871 & 1891 Kensington SCAIFE, EDWARDS
Post by: Sisterjane on Monday 28 February 05 13:19 GMT (UK)
Jocelyn
This is John A H Scaife 1901

John Andrew Hanson Scaife   age 12 pupil
RG13/1092
Petersfield
Beonles School
Hampshire

Joe
Title: Re: 1871 & 1891 Kensington SCAIFE, EDWARDS
Post by: Sisterjane on Monday 28 February 05 13:45 GMT (UK)
Jocelyn
Should have said on last post
John a h   b Turkey (British subject)
Joe
Title: Re: 1871 & 1891 Kensington SCAIFE, EDWARDS
Post by: Kiwi007 on Monday 28 February 05 14:04 GMT (UK)
Hi Joe,

Excellent find in 1891 and 1901 - now I will never get to bed - its 1.00am here and i am still prowling the net for these completely unrelated folks . I hope the lady appreciates all the hard work everyone is doing !!

Many thanks indeed

Jocelyn

Title: Re: 1871 & 1891 Kensington SCAIFE, EDWARDS
Post by: Quackers69 on Monday 24 April 17 00:39 BST (UK)
Hi. This is a bit of a long shot being as this post is several years old. We are trying to trace crew members of submarine E7 who were taken PoW in Turkey. John Andrew Hanson Scaife was one of that crew. We have created a Facebook page and have found descendents of the commander and 4 crew so far.  If anyone is able to put me in touch with any descendents of John Scaife I would be very grateful.
Title: Re: 1871 & 1891 Kensington SCAIFE, EDWARDS
Post by: dawnsh on Wednesday 26 April 17 11:31 BST (UK)
Hi Quackers69

Kiwi who started this topic hasn't been online at Rootschat since 2016 and hasnt posted since 2014.

They aren't receiving notifications for this topic so I'll send a personal message and see if they come back soon.

Fingers crossed.

Dawn
Title: Re: 1871 & 1891 Kensington SCAIFE, EDWARDS
Post by: Kiwi007 on Wednesday 26 April 17 13:26 BST (UK)
Hi Dawn
Thanks so much for contacting me- life got in the way of genealogy, however I have just retired and after I finish unpacking etc, I will get back to it!
I am not related to the SCAIFE family, but I will have a go at finding John SCAIFE's descendants and will post back here as well as on the facebook page if I come up with anyone.
Many thanks again for your message. Much appreciated.
Regards,
Kiwi007

Hi Quackers69

Kiwi who started this topic hasn't been online at Rootschat since 2016 and hasnt posted since 2014.

They aren't receiving notifications for this topic so I'll send a personal message and see if they come back soon.

Fingers crossed.

Dawn
Title: Re: 1871 & 1891 Kensington SCAIFE, EDWARDS
Post by: Quackers69 on Thursday 27 April 17 01:35 BST (UK)
Thank you Dawn for your help and Kiwi007 for your response. If you do find any descendents who wish to join us, the full name of the group is: Descendents Of The Crew Of Submarine E7 Taken PoW In Turkey (need not be direct line, just anyone related who is interested)
Title: Re: 1871 & 1891 Kensington SCAIFE, EDWARDS
Post by: dawnsh on Thursday 27 April 17 09:12 BST (UK)
Hi Quackers

Thanks for posting the project name of your group.

Internet robots index this site quite quickly and anyone else searching that term will be shown this topic as a result. You never know who else might join in.

Dawn
Title: Re: 1871 & 1891 Kensington SCAIFE, EDWARDS
Post by: Kiwi007 on Thursday 27 April 17 12:04 BST (UK)
hi again!

I have been doing some more research that I decided to post here in case other researchers are looking about - please take what is of interest for your group. As I understand it, John Andrew Hanson SCAIFE married twice - 1) to Mildred CRADDOCK in 1910 in London ( she may have been the daughter of Henry Hyde CRADDOCK who emigrated to South Africa in the 1880's with his family, but someone needs to buy the marriage cert.). 2) to Mabel M ?? born Bridgwater Somerset about 1894. The second marriage produced Diana Evelyn SCAIFE b 1928. Diana's grandson still lives in Nassau Bahamas where JAH had moved sometime after 1919 ( I found him with Mildred in 1919 at Kenilworth Court Lambeth- she had been on her own in 1918 ). John Andrew Hanson SCAIFE returned to England and died late 1961 aged 73  in Hailsham, Sussex.
On various shipping lists, JAH says he was a publisher, a journalist and of course mostly, Commander R.N retired
John had twin brothers born in Canada- Leicester Cecil Peregrine SCAIFE and Arthur Martyn Peregrine SCAIFE. There is now some amazing info on the web and I highly recommend clicking on the links below:

2nd Lt Leicester Cecil Peregrine Scaife

Leicester was born in Victoria, British Columbia on 18 Jun 1894.  In 1913 and 1914 he was earning £60 per annum with board and lodging as an Assistant Master at Corchester Preparatory School, Corbridge, Northumberland. He married a Bagnall in 1916 in Kendal. Married again in 1972 to a Robertson. He died in 1980 in Southampton. ..Photo here: http://www.4thbnnf.com/wordpress/northumbrian-division/brigade-organisation/organisation/c-hayden-bridge-company/

Also these....fantastic for researchers!
http://lcp-scaife-mbe-memoirs.info/
http://lcp-scaife-mbe-memoirs.info/extracts-pictures/going-to-the-front/
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/221831-first-time-seen-photographs-do-you-know-these-named-men/

The other brother, Arthur Martyn P SCAIFE stayed in Canada, married 3 times had some children and died 18 Sep 1974 aged 80. He was a gasoline engineer.

The sister Gillian May SCAIFE was a well known actress who married twice ( she had one daughter, Susan, from her first marriage ) - I have her obit if anyone is interested. The other brother, Prof Christopher Henry Oldham SCAIFE was a published poet and writer - he died in Italy- also have his Obit- an amazing family

I am happy to email anyone my working document so pm me with your email address- lots of censuses, shipping records, obits etc

I hope some more relatives find our posts and join your group Quackers!

Cheers
Kiwi007


Thank you Dawn for your help and Kiwi007 for your response. If you do find any descendents who wish to join us, the full name of the group is: Descendents Of The Crew Of Submarine E7 Taken PoW In Turkey (need not be direct line, just anyone related who is interested)
Title: Re: 1871 & 1891 Kensington SCAIFE, EDWARDS
Post by: Kiwi007 on Thursday 27 April 17 20:39 BST (UK)
Hi again Quackers69!....you might like to contact this guy - he is John's great grandson ...not sure if he'll see your post but give it a try - he is using his grandmother's name as his user name- I did a lot of research for him back in 2009  but never heard back....anyway, this is what he posted to me initially: http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=376691.msg6230195#msg6230195
Also, there is probably a way of contacting the people mentioned in those links I posted below
Cheers
Kiwi007


hi again!

I have been doing some more research that I decided to post here in case other researchers are looking about - please take what is of interest for your group. As I understand it, John Andrew Hanson SCAIFE married twice - 1) to Mildred CRADDOCK in 1910 in London ( she may have been the daughter of Henry Hyde CRADDOCK who emigrated to South Africa in the 1880's with his family, but someone needs to buy the marriage cert.). 2) to Mabel M ?? born Bridgwater Somerset about 1894. The second marriage produced Diana Evelyn SCAIFE b 1928. Diana's grandson still lives in Nassau Bahamas where JAH had moved sometime after 1919 ( I found him with Mildred in 1919 at Kenilworth Court Lambeth- she had been on her own in 1918 ). John Andrew Hanson SCAIFE returned to England and died late 1961 aged 73  in Hailsham, Sussex.
On various shipping lists, JAH says he was a publisher, a journalist and of course mostly, Commander R.N retired
John had twin brothers born in Canada- Leicester Cecil Peregrine SCAIFE and Arthur Martyn Peregrine SCAIFE. There is now some amazing info on the web and I highly recommend clicking on the links below:

2nd Lt Leicester Cecil Peregrine Scaife

Leicester was born in Victoria, British Columbia on 18 Jun 1894.  In 1913 and 1914 he was earning £60 per annum with board and lodging as an Assistant Master at Corchester Preparatory School, Corbridge, Northumberland. He married a Bagnall in 1916 in Kendal. Married again in 1972 to a Robertson. He died in 1980 in Southampton. ..Photo here: http://www.4thbnnf.com/wordpress/northumbrian-division/brigade-organisation/organisation/c-hayden-bridge-company/

Also these....fantastic for researchers!
http://lcp-scaife-mbe-memoirs.info/
http://lcp-scaife-mbe-memoirs.info/extracts-pictures/going-to-the-front/
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?/topic/221831-first-time-seen-photographs-do-you-know-these-named-men/

The other brother, Arthur Martyn P SCAIFE stayed in Canada, married 3 times had some children and died 18 Sep 1974 aged 80. He was a gasoline engineer.

The sister Gillian May SCAIFE was a well known actress who married twice ( she had one daughter, Susan, from her first marriage ) - I have her obit if anyone is interested. The other brother, Prof Christopher Henry Oldham SCAIFE was a published poet and writer - he died in Italy- also have his Obit- an amazing family

I am happy to email anyone my working document so pm me with your email address- lots of censuses, shipping records, obits etc

I hope some more relatives find our posts and join your group Quackers!

Cheers
Kiwi007


Thank you Dawn for your help and Kiwi007 for your response. If you do find any descendents who wish to join us, the full name of the group is: Descendents Of The Crew Of Submarine E7 Taken PoW In Turkey (need not be direct line, just anyone related who is interested)
Title: Re: 1871 & 1891 Kensington SCAIFE, EDWARDS
Post by: Kisembi52 on Tuesday 22 October 19 19:35 BST (UK)
I would like to have contact with Michael. I am the granddaughter of Hilda Joan sister to John Andrew Hanson Scaife
Title: Re: 1871 & 1891 Kensington SCAIFE, EDWARDS
Post by: Kisembi52 on Tuesday 21 January 20 15:54 GMT (UK)
 I am the grand-daughter of Hilda Joan Scaife, elder sister to Msrtyn Peregrine Scaife. O would appreciate any contact details you have for Michael Edward Scaife.