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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Antrim => Topic started by: Scrabohill on Thursday 16 July 09 12:06 BST (UK)
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I'm seeking information on an ancestor, William Cameron of Islandmagee. He was probably born somewhere between 1820 and 1835, based on the date of the marriage of a daughter, Martha, in 1885 to Hill Wilson, in Ballycarry Pres Church. There are two William Camerons listed in Griffith's Valuation, one in Cloghfin, the other in Temple Effin, but I need information to help narrow down the search.
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Noticed your Cameron link with Islandmagee. Can't help with your request at moment, but thought I would share following, which may tie with your Camerons at some point:
I have a James Lillie (believe Lilley) marriage in Ballycarry Presbyterian Church on 14 5 1874 to an Ann Cameron from Islandmagee. Her father was a William Cameron. One witness to marriage was a James Cameron.
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Thanks for the reply. My own search has shown quite a few Camerons in Islandmagee and at present I a attempting to unravel the links between the various Cameron families and the Wilson families in particular. There is a record of an Anne Jane Cameron, born Braidisland, (also known as Broadisland), Islandmagee, on 5 September 1851; father William Cameron, mother Anne Jane Cameron, (nee McAuley). I can't confirm that this is the same Anne Cameron noted in your reply, but she in in the right age bracket.
A James Cameron was born to the same parents on 15 June 1843, he could have been the witness referred to in your note.
Anne and James were both christened in 1st Islandmagee Presbyterian Church, which is about 6km from Ballycarry Presbyterian Church.
I'll follow up the Cameron-Lilley link at my next visit to the NI PRO in a few weeks time.
Best regards
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Just remembered that Ann Cameron Lilley died in Scotland and I have her death details. Her parents were noted on same as William Cameron and Ann Jane Cameron nee McAuley, so looks like she was the Ann Jane Cameron born Braid/Broadisland that you have suggested. Age at death would also tie with the 1851 birth.
Ann or Annie as she seems to have been know, moved to Scotland with her husband in late 1800's. At 1891 Census, visiting with them from Ireland were a William Cameron aged 23 and a Mary Cameron aged 18 (brother/sister or husband/wife - not noted).
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My search to date has shown that the William and Anne Cameron in question had at least three other children, as follows;
Thomas McAuley Cameron, b 20/11/1848
Martha Cameron, b 22/3/1854
Margaret Cameron, b 5/12/1856.
On the birth and baptism record of Thomas the parents resided in the village of Gransha, Islandmagee. At the time of birth of the other children the parents were recorded as residing in the townland of Braid/Broadisland, Islandmagee. The children were baptised in 1st Islandmagee Presbyterian Church.
So far I have only searched the Cameron births as far as 1860, so I may well locate the others mentioned in your reply.
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Thanks for sharing these additional finds.
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Am late to your posts but hope you revisit this. I am a descendant of a William Cameron of Temple Effin. He married Margaret Finlay in 1898 and had six children, one of them Elizabeth Cameron, my mother's mother. This William was born around 1876 as the 1911 census gives his age as 35. My friend, who is a keen genealogist, found a reference to a William Cameron, born 1868, son of John Cameron and Catherine Ross, who were married in Ballycarry Pres Church in 1866. So I think you can rule out the William Cameron of Temple Effin.
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Thanks for your reply - I had given up on any further feedback from this source! I managed to track down the William Cameron of interest, who resided in Cloghfin.
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Scrabohill...I have discovered that my great grandfather, William Cameron, was the son of Thomas and Rose (Rosy or Rosey) Cameron. It seems likely that the Thomas McAuley Cameron you mention in an earlier post is the same person as he was 52 in the 1901 census, giving a birth date of 1848/49. He was married in 1870 to Rose and they had at least four chn. - Ann, James, William (my great g'father) and Thomas. I would be interested in any other info you had with this family. Best wishes, Johnny Conn
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conijoni,
Thanks for your reply. I think your great-grandfather William Cameron does indeed link into the family tree I have been investigating. My research shows that William was the son of Thomas Cameron and Rose ?. Thomas McAuley Cameron was born in 1848, (born or christened 20/11/1848). His parents were William Cameron and Anne Jane McAuley, married ca 1842. William was born ca 1820 and died 6/2/1899; Anne was born ca 1820. William and Anne had five (5) children that I have managed to uncover - James (b 1843), Thomas (b 1848), Anne Jane (b 1851), Martha (1854), and Margaret (1856). I suspect that there may have been another child in the 1843 to 1848 period, but I have not found any evidence of this. The birth information above was obtained from the recoeds of 1st Islandmagee Presbyterian Church. Martha Cameron married my ancestor,Hill Wilson, in 1885.
Hope this is of interest to you,
Hill Wilson.
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Good to see this thread continuing....and interesting reading. So, looks like Annie Jane Cameron in my post was a sister of your Thomas McAuley Cameron, conijoni.
I wonder if the William Cameron born 1868 to a John and Catherine Cameron is the one visiting Scotland in 1891 (aged 23). Another thought, there was a John Cameron son of a William that married in 1866 to a Catherine...wonder if he could be a 'missing child' of William and Ann Jane, scrabo, as you seemed to think there was a gap? Mind you, he and Catherine are in Templeffin at 1901 and in same townland is a William and Sarah, so more probable they were his parents.
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Forgot to add, looks like in the 1870 marriage of Thomas Cameron to Rose, she too was a Cameron to her maiden name, her father being a Samuel Cameron.
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Just a quick reply for now - Rosey Cameron is referred to as Rosey Cameron Cameron in two references I found for her, and I suspected that her maiden name was also Cameron. My mother's sister was born ----- Bates and kept her surname as she married ---- Bates. Good to be in touch. Will try to post later when I have some time.
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Two Cameron's mentioned at:
http://1914-1918.invisionzone.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=30332
Meant to say, if you haven't already read it, the Ordnance Survey Memoirs - Parishes of County Antrim III - Vol 10 (1833, 1835, 1839-40) covering Larne, but mainly Island Magee, makes fascinating reading and gives a great insight to life in the area in 1830/40 period.
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Thanks Scotmum. I do not believe the two Camerons on the Great War Forum are connected. Where would one get a copy of the OS memiors? By the way, are you connected with the Camerons or just an interested party?
There was James Cameron, son of Thomas, son of William Cameron (my great grandfather) killed at Arnhem (Bridge Too Far) with the Parachute Regiment. His father had served with the Royal Irish Rifles in the Great War.
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If your local library doesn't have it, they can order it in for you. Alternatively, the series of books are often available to buy, sometimes only those relevant to the area they are being sold in though, in bookshops (even Bargain Books outlets sometimes stock them) or from the online bookstore at Ulster Historical Foundation http://www.rootschat.com/links/099w/
or other online bookstores.
My interest, as noted earlier in thread, lies in the marriage of Ann Cameron, daughter of William Cameron and Annie Jane McAuley, to James Lillie (Lilley), as he seems likely to have been a brother of one of my direct ancestors.
Out of interest, I note the Brownlee surname in your list. Which area were they from?
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re the chn. of William Cameron and Anne Jane McAuley...James lived with his mother Annie (see 1901 Census) and seems to have married in his early 60s to Isabella (see 1911 Census); Thomas McAuley Cameron m. Rosey Cameron and had four chn. - Ann, James, William (my ggf) and Thomas; Anne Jane Cameron m. James Lillie/Lilley (to Scotland); Martha m. Hill Wilson (scrabohill); and Margaret - have no info on Margaret.
re chn. of Thomas McAuley and Rosey Cameron...Ann b.1871 - have no info; James b.1873 m. Agnes -----? and by 1911 Census had five chn., four living - all daughters Elizabeth, Annie, Gretta and Florrie; William b.1876(my ggf) m. Margaret Finlay and had six chn., Thomas, Samuel, Elizabeth, Agnes Finlay, James Finlay, and Rose; Thomas b.1879 m. Catherine (Ross?) and had two (?) chn. Robert Ross and Annie. It looks as though Thomas died as Catherine has married Samuel Shanks (1911) and they have had two chn. Esther and Samuel.
Scrabohill - where do you live? Would like some info about your ancestors. I live in Ballyclare. Have you an Ards connection? My wife is from Ards.
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Brownlee family from Ballygawley originally.
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There was James Cameron, son of Thomas, son of William Cameron (my great grandfather) killed at Arnhem (Bridge Too Far) with the Parachute Regiment. His father had served with the Royal Irish Rifles in the Great War.
James Cameron, Pte 6982743, 21st Ind Parachute Coy (Pathfinders)
Died of Wounds in Hospital at Apeldoorn, and was originally buried in the Heidehof General Cemetery, later interred in the Arnhem Oosterbeek war cemetery.
Died 26th Sept 1944, aged 22.
Initially served with the Royal Iniskilkling Fusiliers, and volunteered for airborne duty in 1942.
He was shot in the fierce battles outside the houses no 6 - 8 Stationweg in Oosterbeek. His Platoon Lt is still alive today, although not well at the moment.
You might want to have a look for a book called 'Leading the way to Arnhem'
ps. Do you have a photo of his Grave at Arnhem?
P
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dear englandphil...very much appreciate your input. I have a photo of family members at the grave and some information about a young dutch girl who tended his grave. I would appreciate a photo of the grave. Thank you.
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dear englandphil...very much appreciate your input. I have a photo of family members at the grave and some information about a young dutch girl who tended his grave. I would appreciate a photo of the grave. Thank you.
Conijoni, have a look at the following link. there are a number of Photos of james Cameron and one of the original metal Cross marking hos grave in the book leading the way to Arnhem.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/fgdvcappellen/1965604423/sizes/o/in/set-72157603284084215/
After being wounded James Cameron was dragged into the the house at N06 Stationweg, by Sgt Gerry Thompson and Pte Harry Bruce. Sgt Cameron was himself kiiled shortly after, and Harry Bruce, was a German refugee and one of the many German 'aliens' who heroically fougth with the 21st Independant Parachute battalion.
you might also be interested in adding some further details to the following
http://www.paradata.org.uk/people/james-cameron
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Hello englandphil
Thanks for sharing the above sites....as well as being helpful for conijoni, I discovered one of my gran's brothers on the paradata In Memorium section, and shall organise for some details and picture to be added to same.
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thanks again, englandphil.
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conijoni, I have just read your post of 22 July. I live in Comber, but was born in Belfast. I have followed the line of Martha Cameron - Hill Wilson to the present day.
Regards, scrabohill
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re the chn. of William Cameron and Anne Jane McAuley...James lived with his mother Annie (see 1901 Census) and seems to have married in his early 60s to Isabella (see 1911 Census); Thomas McAuley Cameron m. Rosey Cameron and had four chn. - Ann, James, William (my ggf) and Thomas; Anne Jane Cameron m. James Lillie/Lilley (to Scotland); Martha m. Hill Wilson (scrabohill); and Margaret - have no info on Margaret.
re chn. of Thomas McAuley and Rosey Cameron...Ann b.1871 - have no info; James b.1873 m. Agnes -----? and by 1911 Census had five chn., four living - all daughters Elizabeth, Annie, Gretta and Florrie; William b.1876(my ggf) m. Margaret Finlay and had six chn., Thomas, Samuel, Elizabeth, Agnes Finlay, James Finlay, and Rose; Thomas b.1879 m. Catherine (Ross?) and had two (?) chn. Robert Ross and Annie. It looks as though Thomas died as Catherine has married Samuel Shanks (1911) and they have had two chn. Esther and Samuel.
Scrabohill - where do you live? Would like some info about your ancestors. I live in Ballyclare. Have you an Ards connection? My wife is from Ards.
My great-grandfather was James Cameron, son of Thomas and Rosey Cameron. One of his daughters Gretta was my grandmother. Please contact me conijoni for further info.
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good to hear from you both. will get back as soon as am able. very busy at present.
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I am not very expert at family history so please excuse the question. How would you go about finding out who were the parents of William Cameron born c.1820 and Anne Jane McAuley born c.1820 and married c.1842?
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alanagr ... following our meeting ... I have found a reference to Nancy, wife of Samuel Cameron, who died 4/12/1885, and mother to Betty Cameron, who was born c.1854. This is close to Rosey Cameron, born c.1847.
Cameron Erected by Samuel Cameron in memory of his daughter Betty, who died 04 Sep 1876 aged 22. Also his wife Nancy who died 04 Dec 1885 aged 71.
St John's Church of Ireland, Islandmagee, graveyard.
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alanagr ... following our meeting ... I have found a reference to Nancy, wife of Samuel Cameron, who died 4/12/1885, and mother to Betty Cameron, who was born c.1854. This is close to Rosey Cameron, born c.1847.
Cameron Erected by Samuel Cameron in memory of his daughter Betty, who died 04 Sep 1876 aged 22. Also his wife Nancy who died 04 Dec 1885 aged 71.
St John's Church of Ireland, Islandmagee, graveyard.
Many thanks for the info. Patiently waiting on PRONI re-opening.
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My name, James Finlay Cameron is the same as my Uncle and Grandfather.
My Grandfather was originally from Islandmagee and his parents were William and Margaret.
My Grandfather died on 26th September 1974, 30 years to the day from when his nephew James Cameron died as a result of the Battle of Arnhem.
This year, to celebrate my own 50th Birthday, I plan to visit the resting place of James Cameron at Oosterbeek War Cemetery, I shall do so as a Proud Cameron and a Proud Carrickfergus Man.
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My 3xgreat grandmother was Eliza Cameron who married John Close and lived at Ballycarry (Lockstown) before moving to Belfast where she died. She was born about 1820-1825 and is likely to be a sister of either the William Cameron (who married Ann Jane McAuley) or Samuel Cameron (who married Nancy) who are mentioned in this thread.
Have any of the contributors to this series of posts taken a DNA test yet? I have almost 20 members of my extended Close family tested and on the Family Tree DNA database. A match between anyone descended from this Cameron family and any of us would prove the link. I have already successfully identified links even further back on the Close side.
DNA will hopefully be able to help us extend the Cameron family further than paper records allow (with absolute certainty)!
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Replying to James Finlay Cameron
My great grandfather was William Cameron who married Margaret Finlay from Islandmagee.
They had children Elizabeth, Agnes, Rose, James, Thomas.
Elizabeth Cameron was my grandmother.
She had Eric, Annie, Margaret and Carol. Margaret was Margaret Finlay Cameron Bates.
So it would appear you and I come from the same William and Margaret.
Do you have photos of them, particularly Margaret?
Johnny
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Rosniak…I think your Camerons are not my Camerons.
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Replying to James Finlay Cameron
My great grandfather was William Cameron who married Margaret Finlay from Islandmagee.
They had children Elizabeth, Agnes, Rose, James, Thomas.
Elizabeth Cameron was my grandmother.
She had Eric, Annie, Margaret and Carol. Margaret was Margaret Finlay Cameron Bates.
So it would appear you and I come from the same William and Margaret.
Do you have photos of them, particularly Margaret?
Johnny
Hi your Grandmother was a much loved Sister of my Granda, My Dad and his siblings all met with you guys over the years, I even met Margaret as I done work in her house, when seeing her full name, I said " you've the same name as me" she asked about the Robinsons from the Knockagh etc, Margaret was living in Carnmoney / Glengormley area.
I also worked at houses in Glenwood St and asked of your Grandmother, though when I called there was no-one home, it was a neighbour Mrs Murphy who told me the house number and spoke so lovingly about your Grandmother.
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James
Do you have any photos of William Cameron and Margaret Finlay? I have a photo of William Cameron and have faint memories of meeting him as a child. Margaret died quite young and William got a new partner... Cannot remember her name.
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I think your Camerons are not my Camerons.
That is why I mentioned DNA. That's what it does. It finds links to prove links were written records don't exist. Whilst there are no written records to link our Camerons together it is improbable to say they weren't related as there wasn't a massive amount of Camerons in the area.
It is a reasonable assumption that we could be connected a generation or two further back as it is likely that your William Cameron (who married Ann Jane McAuley) and Samuel Cameron (who married Nancy) had siblings in the area.
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Realise Scrabohill has not been active on Rootschat for a number of years, but just in case they still receive notifications, thought I would update thread to say James Lilley and his wife Annie Cameron, were in Scotland a few years earlier than I originally realised. They turned up in the 1881 census, at Manse Street, Renfrew and boarding with them was your Hill Wilson, who returned from Renfrew to marry Annie's sister, Martha Cameron, at Ballycarry on 27/7/1885.
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Thank you for posting.