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Research in Other Countries => Canada => Topic started by: Whiskey38 on Saturday 18 July 09 17:06 BST (UK)
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I'm trying to fill in the family tree going back from Percy Dorey married to Georgina Gotchier, their children were Paul, Edwin, Edith, Ralph, June, and Earl. This part of the family was from Ganaoque Ontario. Any information further back would be great. I'm Junes grand daughter
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Hi June's granddaughter. ;D
Would you have any dates of birth please, and was Percy born in Ontario? Have you found them on any census or have you tried other sites (so we don't duplicate efforts)? Are you interested in Georgina's information as well?
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Was Percy born April 1892? There was a Percy Dorey living in Gananoque who was 19 on the 1911 census. You can view the actual image. If this was him (and not a nephew or grandson, or some other relation), the census shows his parents and siblings:
http://automatedgenealogy.com/census/
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I believe that is him, and any information on Georgina is welcome as well. My name is Brandy.
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I was looking at the 1901 census where he was 7 yrs old, can we also follow his father Sevare ( Sylvester) and mother Liza (Eliza Ann) back as well?
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in my digging I came across a Gifford Dorey in a 1852 census for what was Canada east) who was a parson and born in Germany, but not sure if he is tied into this part of the family yet or not.
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Hi Brandy, before we take the time to follow this Percy's family, you mentioned you "think it is him." Would you know your great grandfather's date of birth, please, or anything else about him, so we can make sure we are following the correct family? Since his children have more recent dates of birth, it would not be a good idea to include any of their information. ;) Also, would you know what your great grandfather's occupation was (in case he had the same occupation as his father)?
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In case you don't know, there are a lot of Dorey individuals buried in St. John's Roman Catholic Cemetery, Gananoque, including Percy (Percival).
http://www.islandnet.com/ocfa/search.php
(Search for Dorey and St John's Roman Catholic)
Unfortunately, this is only an index, so it doesn't give any dates.
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This site has at least Percival's headstone information:
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~onleedsg/docs/ld_cem_stjohns.htm
There may be additional Dorey headstones (not taking the time to look).
And another site:
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~theislands/cemetery/Offisland/StJohnsGanONCAN/stjohnstran4.html
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You can search the 1881 and 1891 census by name and view the images at Library and Archives Canada. Here are the links:
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1881/index-e.html
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1891/index-e.html
On the 1891 census the family is listed as Dora (father as Severil) and are in Leeds South. On the 1881 census they are listed as Dorey (father as Severe) and are in Addington (starts on line 9 of the bottom image).
Jacquie
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Percy's DOB is april 29 1893 and he died in Nov. of 1972. Found this on the only picture I have of him with my mom and me as a baby. I'm not sure what he did for his occupation
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Hi Brandy:
That should confirm that he was the son of Sevare/Severe Dorey. (As found on the 1901 Ontario Census.)
Someone on RootsWeb has Percy in their tree (I don't know how accurate the information is):
http://wc.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi
Search for Dorey and Percival
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If you are living in Canada, perhaps you might be able to obtain an actual image of a story about Percy's father from your local library or LDS Centre?
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~onleedsg/docs/gr_bmd_1936_1949.htm
Search for Severe
Apparently, there was a story about him in 1948.
The newspaper staff might be able to tell you where/how you could view the 1948 story.
http://www.gananoquereporter.com/
You could try writing to the library to see if they can recommend how you might view the 1948 story. (Perhaps it was an obituary?)
http://www.gananoque.com/community/library.html
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Thanks I'm hoping to get to Ganaoque this coming Monday or Tuesday, will let you know what I find when I am there, Thanks for all your help so far. In further digging I found Severe' s parents and siblings. Father was Frank b1807 d 2 Aug 1879, Mother Maria. And 4 siblings Francis b1844, Madeline b1850, Charles b!852, and Elizabeth b1856,.
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There is a birth for a Lena Dorey, born June 7th, 1889, Olden, Frontenac, Ontario on the IGI
to parents Frank Dorey and Mary Major...
That would be brother Frank ...silly me
this site (headstones St John's Roman Catholic Cemetery)
has dates of death - Frank 1879, Maria 1892
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~onleedsg/docs/ld_cem_stjohns_31.htm
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http://search.labs.familysearch.org
a death for Sylvester Dorey Jan. 19 1929, Frontenac, Ontario, Canada
born Sharlot Lake Oct . 27 1883 has father Severe Dorey, mother Elizabeth Miller
Eliza Ann Dorey- death Oct. 31, 1932
Gananoque, Leeds, Ont.
Born June 4th 1853, Belfast Ireland
parents : John Miller & Margaret Forsythe
Will want to clarify from 1861 census, etc...as this death in Gananoque, Leeds, Ont.
Rebecca Calow, d. Jan. 28 1927
b. Feb 12, 1857, Pittsburg Co. Frontenac
to a Steven Miller & Margaret Forsythe
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Thanks JJ already got them, been trying to pick the brain of my remaining great aunts, but at there ages it sometimes gets all mixed up. Definitely need to get down to Gan.
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ok after a short road trip, my cousin and I are both stuck. Neither of us can seem to get any further than Frank sr. She's gone through all the paperwork and photos we could find on our family. Neither of us can figure out who Frank sr.'s father was or his mother.
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Frank & Mary ( you'll be likely searching for Francis or Francois & Marie in Quebec records) might be found in the Druin records...and the surnames in Quebec could be spelled many ways as well...
Why not write to the site that was given you by Lisa ...just in case Severe states in the 1924 story, where in Quebec he was born... http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~onleedsg/docs/gr_bmd2.htm
added: I see now that he only says born Quebec in 1901, not on other censuses..
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Have looked through some online resources for a marriage/bond,there aren't many...but nothing...It does seem to be that Philion may be spelled Filion, though...
You likely have these pages, but am submitting as I just found them...
date of death for Maria June 11th 1892 , and marriages on page
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~onleedsg/docs/gr_bmd.htm
Note that an Elizabeth Philion was a sponsor for this couple in Gananoque on the same page as Severe's brother Charles marriage ( likely where Philion info came from), birth to Severe Dorey & Elizabeth Ann Miller, etc.
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~onleedsg/docs/sj_church_b.htm
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If Frank was originally from Quebec it is possible that Dorey was an anglicized spelling of their surname so you might want to check out the Doré surname as well.
Jacquie
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I guess the ancestors could have been in Ontario for some time...i can't find anything in land either
added: found this, though, perhaps for son Severe? http://www.rootschat.com/links/06re/
also looking for Francois Dorey actually brings up some 18th century information so the surname was spelled that way sometimes in Quebec...
Why can't I see Marie on the 1891 or the 1881? I am wondering how the birth year of 1828 was found for her...She'd have been 20 years his junior, and a very young mother ( 16 if Francis's age is correct) Altogether possible, tho...
out of interest, 2 Joseph Dorey/Dory as heads of households, 1833-1835 Wellington Gore district
http://ontariocensus.rootsweb.ancestry.com/transcripts/pre1851/1888-index.html
Concession 9 Lot 3 Front
http://ontariocensus.rootsweb.ancestry.com/transcripts/pre1851/1888-1.html
Did you check out parish records in Gananoque?
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yes my cousin and i have both checked the parish records, and all the family records we could locate within all of our living relatives family records, and we are stuck. We are not sure who frank sr.'s father was. Now trying to follow the Philon (Filon) part back as well.
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Nova Scotia is also abundant with surname Dorey of French origin...wonder if we can find him ( Frank, Francis, Francois) there
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Still trying to follow Georgina's side back as well, some where in it there is Native American indian, ( Iroquois)
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GAUTHIER, Georgina Louise 1890-1969 cemetery inscription: http://www.rootschat.com/links/08iz/
http://cemetery.canadagenweb.org/ON/ONS12165/index2.html
so is this Georgina in 1891 Fontenac / Kingston with mother Mary from U.S. ( but both parents born Ontario) and father Daniel from Quebec ( he's a hunter & fisherman)
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1891/001081-119.02-e.php?person_id_nbr=1465731
Daniel died 1898 http://search.labs.familysearch.org/
Since George http://www.rootschat.com/links/08j0/ Noah Gauthier & wife Josephine Amo ( brother Wm married Louise Amo) http://www.rootschat.com/links/08j1/ are also buried in same cemetery...parents should be Daniel Gauthier & Mary Boucher.
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Some Boucher with metis ties from the fur trade era http://genforum.genealogy.com/boucher/messages/330.html
http://genforum.genealogy.com/boucher/messages/600.html
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~onleedsg/research-church-stjohns1868-1892.html
and Gauthier ties as well : James G. MacGregor, a noted Alberta historian, stated that the Gauthier family was one of the Iroquois families, which came west with the fur trade from...hm can't find the phrasing on the site, but it comes from here: http://www.aseniwuche.com/our_story/family_names.html
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Thanks JJ if you come across anything else let me know. And the previous info on the island was correct.
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Well, that's not really how this works, you know...You should be telling us where you have the family, and then we can help you go further back... :-\ Not us finding what you already know...
If you have information up to a certain time, then say "I have that" it won't get you help
The fur trade era was most interesting and involved a great deal of Canada. The local archives are full of this colourful history. J.J.
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Sorry, I didn't realize. On the Dorey side I am as far back as Frank Sr. ( and stuck due to a possible spelling of the name) and on the Gauthier side all I had was Georgina's name, birth and death. No further information til now on her.
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O.k. was hard to tell... you'll need to prove that we have the right people. I think that was the only marriage with the surname of the mother...if the couple was married in the U.S. it might be harder to find. They also may have been married in Ontario, but first born, Napolean was born U.S. so could have been there......Roman Catholic so perhaps someone can find those records...
1.So now you know her full name was Georgina Louise Gauthier but no marriage found as yet to Percival Dorey, correct?
2. Her parents may have been Daniel Gauthier & Mary Boucher (brother Noah's marriage)
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NO she was married to Percival at least according to the tombstone in Gananoque
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1901 census add a Florence b.1894 & Lillie b. 1897, Mary now a widow...http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census/View.jsp?id=50752&highlight=20
Image also has Mary born I think in Clayton New York, and Napolean in Waterton, New York! yay for being specific about where born.......
Now is she the Florence Matilda Gauthier marriage to Karl William Emberley it says Mary's suname Pecor?? :-\
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I'm not sure! Had no idea that Georgina had 2 more younger sisters.
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Florence Lillian & Mary in an Orphanage in 1911. Florence & Lillian were awefully young when the mother died, 1902. http://search.labs.familysearch.org/ age 51 Gananoque, Leeds Is this why their marriages have odd mother's surnames...Oh, lots to clear up there....
Maybe someone can look at these marriage images?
Mary Gauthier (m. Earl Revell_ mother Mary Peever?
Lillian Gauthier (m. Russell Revell)" Mary Procoon?
More about the Revelle Family of New York here: http://familytreemaker.genealogy.com/users/r/e/v/Matthew-Revelle/WEBSITE-0001/UHP-Index.html
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If someone can step in here and find something to help with names it would be great...as, here we go again...
an IGI extracted file for another birth...must have died prior to the 1891 ?
Elizabeth Gauthier born Nov. 26 1885, Gananoque,Leeds & Grenville, Ontario
Parents: Daniel Gauthier and Mary Pecor
...and why not throw in one more wrench as is this another version of her name??
Joseph Arthur Gauthier Born Aug. 16, 1879, Bapt. Jan 2, 1881, Daniel / Mary Picard
(Sponsors Joseph Gauthier & Louisa Picard)
William born 1883 on census may have been born or maybe just baptised as
"Joseph William Gauthier" Born Mar. 1883, Bapt. Apr. 19, 1884, Domien ? / Mary Picard
http://www.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~onleedsg/research-church-stjohns1868-1892.html
at least if that surname is correct there's another clue as witness Joseph may be close kin to Daniel also Charles & Louisa may be close kin to Mary:
Mary Louisa Picard, Born Feb. 14. 1876, Bapt. Aug. 27, 1876, Charles / Eliza Anne Peters
Spons Daniel Gauthier & Louisa Picard
( also a Julianne/ Julie Ann Picard and Catherine on page
TAKE NOTE: There are also Pecord/ Pecor on page and this birth for a Charles & wife which has similar confusing surname
Margaret Eliza Pecord ( Pecor) Born June 14, 1881. Bapt. July 16, 1881, Charles /Eliza Peters
Guessing because they were French they didn't pronounce the "D" and so perhaps it was often dropped?
You can find Charles as PEKORE in 1881, and there are many Joseph Gauthier born Quebec but not directly in the area. Still have not found Daniel et al in 1881 perhaps not enumerated as have tried many things to find them...
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http://search.labs.familysearch.org Can find many Pecor listed under Leeds
Charles Pecor died Nov 21, 1931 age: 83 years 11 months 10 days
Death Place: Leeds, Leeds, Ontario
b.1848 parents Louis Pecor & Louise Rodench
There is also this death Louisa Pecor ( widow) June 26 1918 age 90 years 4 months 3 days
Death Place: Gananoque, Leeds, Ontario
b. 1828 Coteau De Lac, Que. father Joseph Roderick
Georgina's middle name was Louise...this is looking promising,
and yes, she is there as Picard in 1901 http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census/ViewFrame.jsp?id=69781&highlight=43 another son, John born 1867 Ontario
But is this the couple in 1881 Monguagon, Wayne, Michigan as...hmmmm Pecor 1825
Louis PECOR born 1825 Carpenter he & both parents born Canada
Louisa PECOR born 1829 keeping house, she & " " "
Georgenna PECOR daughter born 1862 Canada....
1891 Frontenac with sons Louis & John...(Louise's age has changed)... so Louis may have died in Canada
http://www.collectionscanada.gc.ca/databases/census-1891/001081-119.02-e.php?person_id_nbr=1465640
another Georgina so a good connection...this name thing will make you crazy...
Have fun will let you do some searches now....our resource board http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/board,372.0.html
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Thanks JJ. I'm still a little confused though, on how we (you ) went from Georgina's brother's marriage where mary was listed with a last name of boucher to now it might have been Picar(d) or Pecor.
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It was a natural progression :P while looking for marriages...oops, yes a smozzle, but will take time to sort it all out.
Was it perhaps a mixup on the transcription? Can anyone look at the actual image? J.J.
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The image of Noah's marriage registration shows his mother's name as Mary Boucher.
Jacquie
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http://www.islandnet.com/ocfa/search.php
Ontario Cemetery finding aid
Name Cemetery County Township Reference
DOREY, Percival (h/o Georgina Louise Gauthier) St John's Roman Catholic, Gananoque Leeds Leeds L&G-
(Husband of Georgina Gauthier)
"Gochier" os the French Name "Gauthier"
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1901 PARAPHRASED
1901 Census http://www.automatedgenealogy.com/census/SurnameList.jsp?province=ON&surname=dorey&desc=Search+province+of+Ontario+in+the+1901+Census+of+Canada+records+for+surname&givens=percy&gender=M&age=&range=1&month=
Dorey Steven, the Son born, Dec 9 1879 Age 21
Dorey Maggie A F Daughter Born Sep 14 1881 Age 19
Dorey Silvester M Son Born Oct 26 1883 Age 17
Dorey William M Son Born Oct 27 1885 Age 15
Dorey Ellen J F Daughter Born Jul 29 1887 Age 13
Dorey Fred M Son Born Feb 12 1891 Age 10
Dorey Percy M Son Born Apr 29 1893 AGE 7
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Thanks V bain, but i have all of that already.
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Sophia Picard, Bapt. July 1, 1867, B. Apr. 2, Lewis / Louisa Roderick a witness was an illegible Roderick
on page a different spellings for both surnames... Pickard Charles Piccard & Lucinda Roderique
(perhaps a sister to Louisa who married Charles a brother of Louis Picard see below)
more spellings found: Piccard, Picard, Picord, Pecord, Pickard, Pecore , Pecora, Peacor
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and now may actually be derived from dit name as this site claims parents of Louis to be "Joseph Noiret dit Picard and ( Elisabeth Cyre/deSerre second wife, first wife Angelique Verronneau/Verraneau )
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~picard/AlexandreNoiretditPicard.html
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~picard/JosephPicard.html
The families on censuses http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~picard/JosephPicard.html#Louis
Looks to be speculative... but a good start... you'd need to check that all out for yourself once you prove a connection...
Note that if N.Y Elizabeth is the same one then she was was also known as "Elizabeth or Rebecca" surname Slair, Simar, or Seymour. This is how it goes when searching some Que. families.. J.J.
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Thanks JJ I find this interesting and confusing all at once
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JJ i went to the Gan cemetery yesterday and took this picture if it helps . It's Georgina's brother William
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and this is I believe the brother of Georgina who died age 29. Please let me know if these help
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whiskey38, wondering if you have gotten any farther with your search. severe dorey would be my great great grandfather and i have only started the search on this side of the family. wondering what you may have found in regards to any indian ancestry.
thanks all for the information posted, it certainly has saved me tons of time.
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Gotchier could be Gauthier
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vbain ??? Please read a thread before replying. We all make a mistake, but there is a photo with Gauthier just above your reply...Plus you have an answer on this thread which is similar reply#40
"Gochier" os the French Name "Gauthier"
judylee, there may some aboriginal connections ...but some digging needs to be done within the era W38 is missing...
Whiskey38 if you still require help, I think you need to let us know what you have found to be absolutely correct up to now and what is missing . A basic tree would be nice?
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ok JJ i have the Dorey tree now back to the 1600 thanks to a long lost cousin,
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It's the Gauthier side is where I am really stuck now, I know very little other than my great grand mother's name was Georgina
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whiskey38, im not able to reply to your pm. not sure if its because i haven't posted alot. could we correspond through email? . if your willing to share, i would love to get the info you have. it would save me tons of time.
thanks
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It's against RootsChat policy to post your email address. You need to make one more post to access the PM system.
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thanks jacquie, i didn't realize this. i have removed it and promise not to repost, lol. :)
i appreciate this site so i'll do my best to figure it out and follow the rules. thanks again to all.
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judylee, The email address rule is for your own good as well. You would get spammed and have to give up your email address which is a pain for the site, but also for you to have to start all over again and not to have access to notifications for answers to your threads...
W38, I just meant a quick notation for those who read this, of what you do have so that we don't have to reread the whole thread...So if it's Georgina you need, fill us in...I am not going to read 4 pages and make notes again...I no longer have my notes on this subject...and doubt the others do either...
If there is an online tree just give us the url...
J.J.