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Family History Documents and Artefacts => Graveyards and Gravestones => Topic started by: Meriel on Tuesday 28 July 09 10:42 BST (UK)
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Hello,
I wondered if anyone has ever visited the above cemetery and can just answer a couple of questions?
I have an ancestor buried there. I have the Grave No and Square No etc and would like to go and view the grave.
Does anyone know the opening hours of the cemetery? Also, is there an office at the cemetery where someone will be able to point me in the direction of the right part of the cemetery for my grave?
Thanks for any help!
Meriel
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i have been there, actually by mistake as the office i wanted was for the Jewish one next door,
but there certainly is a large office and they have computers there, and were pretty helpful
best to give them a ring to find opening hours ;)
Tel. 020 86794164
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Hi Les,
Well that sounds promising! Thanks for that I will give them a call.
I hope you found what you wanted in the Jewish cemetery after all that!
Meriel
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Hi Les,
Well that sounds promising! Thanks for that I will give them a call.
I hope you found what you wanted in the Jewish cemetery after all that!
Meriel
yes thanks Meriel like you i had the grave number etc,
and had travelled over 200 miles, so the sat nav took us straight there, the people in the office were a bit
confused with the plot number etc we gave them as it didn't relate to any they had,
then we realised :-[
more confusing was that the chap in the jewish one when i phoned him had taken the trouble to go to the graves and send me photos by email, so was really scratching our heads lol
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Hello
I also have three relatives buried here, I have a last minute trip to London happening this weekend, so I thought I might try to find them.
I have grave numbers etc, but I have just rung the offices and they said they would post me the map!!! :( As they don't have an electronic version to email.
If I don't receive it in time because of the postal strikes etc, can you just go to the offices and request to look at a map? Or do you need an appointment?
Thanks Trippy
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pretty sure you will be ok just tipping up,
they were VERY helpful when i went, i am pretty sure each row was lettered,
so hopefully should be straight forward ;)
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OK...
The Office is open Mon-Fri 9am-5pm
The Staff are terrific & will do their best to assist anyone, they can`t really assist with grave/cremation searches on the phone so a visit will be required. I believe technically there is a charge for this.
I can`t remember exactly when the records started to be placed on computers, I`ll find out.
The grounds are IIRC 63 acres.
There is a very basic map of the different squares/areas available from the office, but without a lot of other info it`ll be difficult to identify/find old graves.
I`ll do my best to help out if I can.
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Thanks for the post Stevie,
I visited two weekends ago, and you are right the staff were extremely helpful. The showed me a book listed by grave number, I knew the number of my mob, so it was easy to find them in this huge book! It showed dates of buriel, how much was paid for the plot etc etc
Then a very helpful chap, walked with me to the area of the cementry where the plot was, unfortunately that part of the cementry had changes in the levels of the ground in the 60's, and many of the headstones were not replaced after the work was finished. Unfortunately my GGG grandfather and mothers was one of them!
Probably one of the more helpful cementries, I've visited.
Best Wishes Trippy
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They`ve loads of those big books...Never asked how many though ;D
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A little more info that may be of interest.
They have over 100,000 graves, some have more than 1 body in, some graves may have more than 3 in, as to the total number buried...I don`t know.
I think they have 28 of the BIG Burial books which list graves by number.
They have another load of books, which are listed by years (more than 1 yr/book) & contain an alphabetical list so as long as you know the name & year you`ve a chance of locating the grave.
The number of Cremations carried out is 200,000+ if info is correct.
IIRC 2002 was when they started using PCs for cremation entries & 2005 for burials, before these dates they`ll need to be manually looked up, I might be slightly out on dates.
Hope this helps.
Steve
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The opening hours are Monday to Friday 9-4. They are open a bit later in the summer from April but all year round at the hours I have quoted.
I am searching for the burial site of my great grandparents Samuel and Margaret Morris. Wierd thing is that the office cannot find a record for either of them in their books. We know they are buried there as there are living relatives who have confirmed this fact. They bought a plot in perpetuity so I want to get to the bottom of this.
The office are extremely helpful and have really tried to find the record but have had no luck.
I was interested to read the comment about the change in the land in parts of the cemetery and that gravestones were not replaced following work as this could be the reason why we cannot even find the gravestone itself.
It's really frustrating to be honest as I am trying to help my father out on this one and I guess he might like to put things right there as far as the gravestone is concerned but without a record how can he?
Samuel and Margaret died 1946 and 1949 but this has to be confirmed by a death certificate first.
Any suggestions?
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The Office is open 9-5 Monday to Friday all year round.
The Ground opening times do vary through the year.
The grounds are open 365 days/year, as are the toilets & Book of Remberance Room (theres 4-5 books) During office hrs the Staff will glady turn to any page you`d like to see, you do not have to come on the day of entry to see an entry...On occasions if you are lucky to catch a member of Staff on a weekend they will Turn to a page (only certain members have access to the keys).
Ronni
Are you certain they were buried at Streatham Park cememtery? There is also a Streatham Cemetery which isn`t too far away, this comes under Lambeth see link below.
Is it possible they were Jewish? There is a Jewish Cemetery ajoining Streatham Park.
Link to Lambeth
http://www.lambeth.gov.uk/Services/CommunityLiving/DeathsFuneralsCremations/Cemeteries.htm
As you say the date of death/s was 1946 & 1949 & you are waiting for confirmation it may simply be that the Staff were looking in the wrong books?
They have books by years in alphabetical order & then they have books in Grave numbers, so the process is look at year books, find grave number, look in grave books (which will have details of owner of grave, plus other details).
If you can confirm the dates as absolutely correct, I`ll see what I can find out. Its easy for me to pop in to the Office & I know all the Lovely ladies in there... ;D
Does any family member have any paperwork relating to the agreement?
Regards.
Steve
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Hi Steve,
Well I have become acquainted with Michelle and Karen over the phone and they are very nice and have tried to help and have also spoken to Ian who I believe is connected to the Jewish cemetry and they have looked from 1940 up to 1950 or 51 and not a dicky bird of record. Ian came up with something in the Jewish cemetry (an Alfred Morris buried with a Gladys Morris) but it is not them (It think the dates were wrong).
My grandads grave was white with stones in the middle and the name Morris written on the stone.
I think I have reached the stage where I will have to pay now for them to do an exhaustive search so if you are willing to have a look I would be very grateful. I would come up myself but I live in Bath and I will have to wait for the school holidays.
They did find an Samuel Morris buried in a common grave but that is not the one as he bought a plot in perpetuity and his wife joined him a few years later. Margaret Morris.
They were definitely buried there because my Dad described the theatrical monument and a church that used to be there and was pulled down. Also my dads cousin has confirmed to me that he is right. It is definitely Streatham Park even though he died in Southwark. Alfred Smith were the undertakers.
I read that possibly because of ground movement their grave was damaged and when all the work to the ground was done the grave stones were not replaced - can't understand why but it is very sad.
I am wondering whether Samuel Morris was born Alfred Samuel Morris as his dad was Alfred Morris and it was common to have your father's name. Until I get a death certificate I will not know. I will have to take pot luck with the death cert.
My dad thinks its late 1945 or 1946 as he remembers being 16 and then he thinks his grandma died before he was 21 i.e. before 1951 as my dad was too young to take on the tenancy of the property where he lived with them.
It's just a puzzle.
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I`ll see what if anything I can find out.
But given the reference to the Theatrical Monument which is still there & the reference to a church, which was the Burial Chapel, no one there knows the actual date it was removed/demolished. There were 3 other chapels, one is now the Office, one is now the Book of Remeberance & the other is still in use (it was refurbished not long ago & is a very nice chapel...I might be able to post a photo or two).
Given the above, yes it was definetely Streatham Park Cemetery.....
I did wonder if/maybe the entries had been made incorrectly, maybe using a Christian Name rather than Surname, but not both entries...& at different times/years....but have dismissed that.
Alfred Smiths is on the corner of Meopham Road & it was there when I moved to Mitcham back in the mid 60`s aged 5yrs, always a chance they may have something on record?
The Lady who works there is nice, could be worth a phone call, they may have some archived records or may be willing to have a look?
They do have a few other branches so maybe they could have the records?
Bit of a long shot, I know, but never say never.
Is it possible that the surnames were mis-interpreted by the person entering the details? Just a thought, but if the same person wrote the names down on whatever forms they had too back then for both & the M looked like some other letter then the person who entered them may have interpreted them as another letter? Thats a possible scenario.
The Theatrical Monument is to have the area in front of it Landscaped this year, the Musical Hall Guild of Great Britain & America have gained some funding from the National Lottery I believe. They are quite nice people.
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Anyone looking for help with this cemetery is best contacting the cemetery direct. It comes under the London Borough of Wandsworth.
Oh boy are they helpful when you phone them!!!! Rude was one word I would use. And they will not answer ANY questions over the phone, you have to write in and enclose a cheque for £30.00.
My pet hate: Wandsworth Coucil
My g/granddad is there.
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Yes I am aware of all those entries. Thank you. In their lives they did live in Oswin Street but we are not sure which number, my Dad remembers 43 not 42 and the house in Oswin street was destroyed in the war and then they were housed in Pastor St which became Temple st. Finally 39 Crampton St which is where both of them died at home.
Margaret was nee Kelly and it is possible that they came from Ireland although I am not 100%.
Samuel's Dad was Alfred Morris (according to their marriage certificate) That's why I think his name may have been Samuel.
Onwards onwards.
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One more thing, my dad describes the burial site as follows:
You go in the gates, there is a lodge on the right (not sure if this is still there) you walk straight ahead and you come to a junction where there is a church ( no longer) and you go past the church and then the grave is somewhere over to the right.
Any photos you have would be welcome.
Alfred Smith's was the Southwark branch.
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Anyone looking for help with this cemetery is best contacting the cemetery direct. It comes under the London Borough of Wandsworth.
Oh boy are they helpful when you phone them!!!! Rude was one word I would use. And they will not answer ANY questions over the phone, you have to write in and enclose a cheque for £30.00.
My pet hate: Wandsworth Coucil
My g/granddad is there.
Wandworth Council have nothing to do with Streatham Park Cemetery or South London Crematorium, its in Private Hands & has been for a very long time.
Not really sure where you get Wandworth from?
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Ronni
The Lodge has gone, it`s where the Office was located, its now a row of houses.
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Now you can see why I said they were so rude, they did not even have the decency to say that both sites are now in private hands. Only that if I sent in £30.00 for each record they would look up the cemetary records - wonder if they even have them. And this was only about 2 years ago!!!
G.granddad in Streatham & his wife cremated Sth London Crem
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Streatham Cemetery is located in Magdalen Road, which is Wandsworth, but I believe records & queries are dealt with at Lambeth Cemetary/Crematorium.
Streatham & Streatham Park are 2 completely different Cemeteries.
Link to help with Streatham Park.
http://www.lambeth.gov.uk/Services/CommunityLiving/DeathsFuneralsCremations/Cemeteries.htm
I can understand your upset at Wandsworth & there really is no excuse, I guess they just take your £30 & then write back & say No record found....I can`t write what I think, but I`m sure you`ll know.
You`ll definetely find the attitudes & care a wholely different experience at Streatham Pk/Sth London Crem.
Hope this helps.
Steve
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Is there anyone living nearby the cemetry that can check out for me whether there is still a gravestone in place at Grave 27836 Square 76 (or maybe 7b? - can't read writing)
I have finally located the burial site for Samuel and Margaret Morris - My great grandparents. The gravestone may have been removed in 1983 when there was a relawning project and the grave owner at the time may not have known about this.
If anyone one can go and see for me and perhaps take a photo to send to me I would be very grateful.
In hope...
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I`m sure the square number will be 7b (don`t think theres a 76), I`ll try & check in the next few days...Fairly busy tomorrow (wall-papering/painting amongst other things), but hopefully have time on Friday.
You`ve obviously found out something else.....I could only find a few Morris`s but they seemed to be in Common Graves, I tried Norris, & did find something likely, but that again seemed likely a common grave.
Photos shouldn`t present a problem, if there is a Memorial...if not would you just like a photo of the area?
I can take my DSLR & take a pic of whatever, the file size might be big & I can include a Raw file of the photo....1 pic can be as large as 20Mb, but its no hassle & it`ll give a chance of enhancement.
If you`d like to talk via PM then that isn`t problem either.
Going there is really easy for me.... :)
Steve
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THanks Stevie That would be brilliant. Please take a photo or what ever you find there!
I had to get the death certs first so that they could locate the entries in the books! That made all the difference.
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No problem.
I`ll see what I can find & see..
The weather hasn`t been the best of late in South London, but I`ll do my best...
If its peeing down with rain, it might have to wait a day or so, but I`ll get a look & Pics.
Steve
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Hi there, I received a map of the cemetery yesterday and the square is 7B number 27836.
Have you had a chance to check it out for me yet? Would be so grateful if you could find the time weather permitting.
Many thanks.
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Ronni
Sorry for the delay.
I did get down to look at the area & there is no Memorial on that grave.
I`ll have another check tomorrow morning, just to make sure I wasn`t mis-reading the numbers, I believe there are 2 unmarked graves 1 of which is your Number between marked graves, so I don`t think I`m wrong, but I`ll get some pics & you can see for your self.
I`ll have my Camera with me tomorrow, didn`t have it with me today, because I was off out somewhere straight after looking.
Steve
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Yes I think you are right. I think the stone was removed in May 1983 for a relawning project and the family were supposed to have received a letter about this but probably did not notify the cemetery of a change of address. It's such a shame and sad.
A photo would be good but only if it's not bother to you.
Thanks for your efforts.
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Its not a problem taking a photo, so long as its not p`ing down.
At this moment its raining, but I`m a few miles away from Streatham, so it may be different there.
Steve
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I have been in touch with Streatham Park cemetery this morning regarding my ggfathers grave. They were very helpful and confirmed the square and plot number for me and that they did not think there had been any work which might have resulted in the memorial being removed.
I plan to visit at the end of March and wondered whether anyone who already has a map can tell me where Square 17 is within the cemetery. Apparently it is supposed to be fairly near the car park. An extract of the map would be helpful if you can do it.
Thanks
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I`m sure I had a map of the grounds from previous visits, easily available from the office.
Are you planning a visit during the week or at the weekend?
If you PM me I may be able to assist further.
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I thought I'd add to the glowing references for Streatham Park Cemetery.
Today was my first visit to a cemetery to look for an ancestor's grave (Charles Frederick Fackrell, who died in 1948) and I have nothing but praise for Michelle, Roy, Zoe and Gary.
I had a grave number from an "In loving memory" card with the grave number, and a phone call to Michelle confirmed that he was buried there in a "common grave". Until then, I didn't know what a common grave was. I do now - he was buried with 19 others and I was advised that the area was grassed over and that there was unlikely to be any headstones.
On visiting, not only did they provide me with a map, but Gary took me to the actual location of the grave. As a common grave, you haven't the precise location of a marked grave but, with Gary's help to pace it out, I was happy that I was at my great grandfather's resting place.
Bryan
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Hello from New Zealand,
I apologise for posting my request here but I am going around in circles trying to find out where I should post it. I would very much like a photograph of an ancestors gravestone We have just discovered that Martha Woods is buried in Streatham Park Cemetery in Grave No 52435, Square 28A.
If anyone could assist I would be extremely grateful.
Thank you so much,
KiwiBev
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Hi KiwiBev,
Unfortunately I live too far away top be able to help with any photographs for you. I visited the Cemetery as planned earlier this year and although like others I successfully found the location of my relatives as with so many graves the headstones had long gone. In fact I have a photograph of the new headstone in 1931 and fully expected it to be there still. But a lot of this cemetery has been grassed over.
As for area 28A I have had a look for you on Google maps and there do not seem to be many headstones in that part of the cemetery.
Hopefully someone who lives closer may be able to check this for you.
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Kiwibev
You can contact the cemetery and ask the question yourself.
http://www.dignityfunerals.co.uk/crematoria/index.asp?pageid=20&fd=572
Don`t be put off by the fact its for South London Crematorium, it is the same place & office.
The emails are forwarded to the site and they will respond direct to you.
Hope this helps.
Steve
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Kia ora Mark and Stevie,
Thank you both for your replies. I will make contact via the url provided.
Here's hoping...
KiwiBev
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My baby brother was buried Streatham park cemetery in a pauper Grave 1942 before i was born my sister went there today to visit my parents grave and i asked her to visit my brother as she was the only one who knew were he was buried but was shocked to see it had gone and a large monument of some sort had been built in the area does anyone know what happens to the graves ?
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Hi Christina
Welcome to Rootschat ;D
You may get the answer you are looking for by contacting the company who manages the cemetery and asking directly
https://www.dignityfunerals.co.uk/crematoria-and-cemeteries/cemeteries/find-a-cemetery/streatham-park-cemetery/
Let us know how you get on.
Dawn