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Hi All
Could someone please see if there are any births for
Father Arthur Henry Claybrook
Mother Harriet Ann Miller
They were married 1897 Hindmarsh
Thanks Sue
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Hi Sue,
Arthur Howard 19 Aug 1897 York Dist Hin 608 367
Elma Marion 2 Oct 1898 Brompton Dist Hin 628 240
Florence Janet 19 July 1902 Rosewater Dist PtA 697 309
Harold Kenneth 29 May 1904 Rose Park Dist Nor 729 138
Angus Raymond 31 Aug 1911 Rose Park Dist Nor 870 55
Ronald Duncan 10 Mar 1913 Rose Park Dist Nor 905 359
Keith Noel 16 Dec 1916 Rose Park Dist Nor 990 515
Cheers Kris :D
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Hi Kris
Thanks so much for that ,think i have found all their deaths in WA.You are a gem
Cheers Sue ;D
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Hi Sue,
I do not know whether you have looked at our National Achives to see some records for the War service of the Claybrook men.
Of particular interest is a record for a man who is not listed on this thread as a son named REGINALD HOWARD Claybrook.
His ww2 file is digitised and he was born I think in 1917.
As his home address he gives 13 Lynton Street Swanbourne which is identical with the one given by KEITH NOEL Claybrook on his papers for the Navy and which KEITH says is the home of his father ARTHUR.
Both boys joined 1941.
The odd thing is that REGINALD says both parents are dead and lists a woman as his Next of Kin. As you know, the parents of the listed children died mid 1950's
There is a nice photo of REGINALD
So do we have a cousin or such , or is it an extra son?
Other sons also have records for you to look at if you have not done so.
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch/index.aspx
Sue
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Another thought.
a closer look at the woman who is next of kin for REGINALD shows her to be Marion something SISTER of a South Australian address.
Elma Marion 2 Oct 1898 Brompton Dist Hin 628 240KRIS
Maybe??
Sue
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Sue
Elma Marion Claybrook was known to my Dad as "Ellie" I met her when I was very little - I haven't got much more information yet but I do know my dad went to her funeral just before he died.
Will let you know when I can get a little more together.
Cheran
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Hi,
CLAYBROOK Reginald Howard 2 Nov 1917 Rose Park Dist Nor 8a 361 Mother Elma Marion CLAYBROOK ;)
Elma must have married Leonard GULYARD (havent looked yet) She had 5 more children by 1928
Let me know if you want that. I will PM if you need them as they may still be living.
Cheers Kris :)
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Not much in BISA
CLAYBROOK William born about 1854 arrived 1877 ROBERT
LEES
married Mary born about 1850 children - Arthur born about 1876
Here is the marriage. None of the others are married by 1937
GULYRD Leonard 29 Single father Dominico GULYRD = CLAYBROOK Elma Marion 22 Single father Arthur Henry CLAYBROOK 10 Sep 1921 St Pauls Church Port Adelaide Dist PtA Symbol S 288 744
Cheers Kris :)
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REGINALD says that Marion Gulyard is his sister and his parents are dead in 1941.
It means that Elma Marion Claybrook had REGINALD ex nuptial when she was about 15 or16 . Then she married and had a daughter named Marion Gulyard. Elma Marion must have died before 1941. And Leonard Gulyard was aparently not alive either
Then REGINALD is living with his grandfather Arthur at the Lynton Street address along with his uncle KEITH.
Sue
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Hi Sue Kris & Cheran
Well you have been a busy lot while i was at work.Great to be able to put the little pieces together.
Cheers Sue
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Sue, Kris & Sue
Sorry I have led you astray!
I have another Elimar Kathleen Mary Raspe born 1913 and the daughter of Marian Miller (Harriet"s sister & born 1888) and Paul Frederick Charles L Raspe that was known as "Ellie" not Elma Claybrook.
I am looking at her photo now so aplogise for misleading you.
I am hoping to look up Anne Millar (Harriet's daughter before marriage) Grand son soon as I believe he lives within a few miles of me
Cheran
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Hi again
I am still trying to see if there is any connection between a Harold Miller born to a Harriet Miller at Mount Pleasant SA 25 January 1899 no father recorded - doesn't seem like it could be our Harriet as she was married to Aurthur by this time and had a Harold in 1904.
Cheran
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Hi Cheran,
No not the same person. This one had two illegitimate children in 1893 and Harold 25 Jan 1899 and your Harriet had Elma Marion 2 Oct 1898 so definately not the same person. I suspect this one was born in 1870 to David and Elizabeth Budge.
Cheers Kris :)
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Kris
I will take Harold's birth in 1899 from Harriet's records but am confused a litle as the Birth of Annie on the 28th January 1893 is definitely Harriet's Claybrook daughter before she was married. She was bought up by John George and Marian Miller (nee McInnes).
I may have misunderstood you last post re this so hope I not making it more confusing.
CHERAN
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Hi Cheran,
Sorry you are no doubt right. I now see Annie was born at Walkerville, Harold at Mt Pleasant so Annie could well belong to your Harriet. (obviously she does as you know she was brought up by grandparents.) By the time of Harolds birth Harriet was married and had a child with her husband three months earlier so Harold can not be her son.
Cheers Kris :)
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Harriet Ann Miller b1875 - mother of
Annie Miller b1893 - was my grandmothers baby Auntie, they played together as children (sisters) in Walkerville, Henley Park, sub section of The Barton, now known as Thebarton
Marion Miller b1888 - lived in West Thebarton, Bowden and for many years in Brompton -3 houses from the Brompton Primary School, which is situated on Torrens Road.
Annie Miller married a gentleman, named Hurley and he was a Carney Getleman whom brought the Merry-go-round over from Europe, which is now situated in Semaphore. As well as that he and Annie introduced the Toffy Apple, Fairy Floss and most of the side shows ot South Australia as we have today - he died early in their marriage
Then she married George Leighton whom she met at Semaphore, as he was part of the Carney Circuit Circus - the rest is history
Lindsay David Hamilton Raspe b1916 who is my father is the son of Marion Miller
This is my first post, as my tower computer crashed some months back and I lost all of my data as well as backups Trogen Viruses - got passed three fire walls
Anyway as I have lost all of my data on my background (ancestors etc) I will be asking from time to time for some help and some info. So if anyone who can, please be kind and understanding
Cheers
DD
Ps when i was a child I did meet some Claybrooks, Donaugheys, Hurleys, Millers, McBrides, Smiths and Mcinnes
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DD
It was interesting to read your post.... Seems like we may be "Cousins" ..... you need to to do 3 posts before you can send a PM (personal Message).... I may be able to help rebuilding you data base ....I would also love to hear more re our family....
my link is to Janet Miller and I too remember visiting "Auntie Annie" at the market to have one of her famouse toffee Dollies on the stick...
Cheran :)
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Hi to you all
I am looking for any information about Harold Kenneth Claybrook who apparently disappeared in his young life. We have feelings he may be my husbands grandfather but under a alais name.
He has been a mystery to us all for a lot of years.
Thankyou
Delk
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Hi to you all
I am looking for any information about Harold Kenneth Claybrook who apparently disappeared in his young life. We have feelings he may be my husbands grandfather but under a alais name.
He has been a mystery to us all for a lot of years.
Thankyou
Delk
Delk
I am sorry I am not much help..... The only info I had re Harold Kenneth is his DOB 29 May 1904 Rose Park South Australia.
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Hello Cheran
My mother in law has done a DNA ancestry test & has been linked to one of Alexanders children (Wendy) as a 1st cousin.
The only link we can think of is through maybe Harold.
Our grandfather turned up in a small town in Western Australia in around 1926 under the name of Kenneth Harold Scott. DOB we have is 29.05.1897. He married & had a large family. He never spoke of his past.
We feel all the info we have is too much of a coincidence for it not to be a possibility. Eg same bithdate. Brothers year. Name reversal & DNA .
We have been on this search for a lot of years to find out who he was.
We are hoping someone can help us put all these pieces together as my olderly mother in law is in need of knowing the answer to this mystery
Thank you for answering me. Much appreciated.
Delk :)
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Hi once again
Would you by any chance know which children came to WA with Authur & Harriett. Also would there be any old photos with Harold in them.
Thank you.
Delk
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Our grandfather turned up in a small town in Western Australia in around 1926 under the name of Kenneth Harold Scott. DOB we have is 29.05.1897. He married & had a large family. He never spoke of his past.
Delk :)
May I ask a question.
I do see a marriage in WA in the name Kenneth H SCOTT.
What information is given on the marriage certificate?
This is what you would expect to see.
MARRIAGE
Date
Couple's names
Couple's ages
Couple's birthplaces
Previous status
Couple's occupations
Couple's residences
Fathers' names
Fathers' occupations
Groom's mothers name
Sue
PS. I must remind you that we cannot mention the names of the children of this marriage unless you are certain they are deceased.
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Hello Cheran
My mother in law has done a DNA ancestry test & has been linked to one of Alexanders children (Wendy) as a 1st cousin.
The only link we can think of is through maybe Harold.
Our grandfather turned up in a small town in Western Australia in around 1926 under the name of Kenneth Harold Scott. DOB we have is 29.05.1897. He married & had a large family. He never spoke of his past.
We feel all the info we have is too much of a coincidence for it not to be a possibility. Eg same bithdate. Brothers year. Name reversal & DNA .
We have been on this search for a lot of years to find out who he was.
We are hoping someone can help us put all these pieces together as my olderly mother in law is in need of knowing the answer to this mystery
Thank you for answering me. Much appreciated.
Delk :)
Delk
what I have but you probably already know
Arthur Howard Claybrook DOB 4 August 1897 York Sth Aus died 30 Nov 1911 Brompton Sth Aus buried Hindmarsh cemetery 2 Dec 1911
Elma Marion Claybrook DOB 2 Nov 1898 Brompton ST Aus 1986 Victoria
Elma was the mother of one child born in 1917 father unknown
She married in 1921 in Port Adelaide
has 5 girls incl one set of twins who died 1922 in Adelaide
- Florence Janet Claybrook born 19 Jul 1902 rosewater sth aus died 1965 bayswater W.Aus
- married in 1924 in Perth
Alexander George possible DOB 14 May 1911 St Aus but no record that I have been able to find I would look up the birth but not having a father's last name will make it harder??? died 22 Jan 1948 Perth
Married 1936 Perth
I haven't worked out the how but I wondered if Alexander is one of their foster children given that the family has a history of always looking after them??
- Angas Raymond Claybrook DOB 31 Aug 1911 in Rose Park, Adelaide, South Australia, Australia
- Died 2 May 1982 Claremont WA married 1934 Perth...
- Ronald Duncan born 10 Mar 1913 Rose Park St Aus died 5 Mar 1994 Shoalbay WA
- married 1933 Perth WA
- Keith Noel born 16 Dec 1916 in Rose Park, Adelaide, South Australia, Australia died 15 Oct 1982 Swanbourne Perth WA
- married 1952 Perth
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/39362446?searchTerm=claybrook&searchLimits=l-state=Western+Australia|||l-decade=195 (https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/39362446?searchTerm=claybrook&searchLimits=l-state=Western+Australia|||l-decade=195)
I will keep searching though
Cheran
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Hi once again
Would you by any chance know which children came to WA with Authur & Harriett. Also would there be any old photos with Harold in them.
Thank you.
Delk
If send me a PM with your email address, I have a photo of Angas and Ron which may help!
Cheran
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https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=509884.9
Some searching was done before but I don't think concrete came out it about Alexander but it might give you another contact.
Cheran ???
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Hi Cheran & Sue
Would you have by any chance done a DNA test.
Ta
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Hi Cheran & Sue
Would you have by any chance done a DNA test.
Ta
Not at this time ::)
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I am not related.
Just trying to help.
Sue
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Have you purchased or got a copy of the marriage certificate. just wondered who it says is his father if you have???
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Have you purchased or got a copy of the marriage certificate. just wondered who it says is his father if you have???
I did ask this question in reply #21, but have not seen an answer yet.
Sue
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Sorry Sue.... I re read it after I posted and notice your question should have done it before I posted.
but I think that might be the next step to try and find the marriage certificate... it might be helpful??
Cheran
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No worries.
I would think this purchase would be an essential step in the search for this chap's background.
I have been tracking a couple whom I hope are the correct people and if so, the parents of the man are listed at death as Margaret and Frank.
I am hesitant to go on too much not wishing to upset anyone.
Sue
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Sorry i havent responded to sending you the marriage certificate Sue. I am waithing re get it from my sister in law.
Delk :)
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in case it works out re the Claybrooks here is some amazing work done on the family
https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=720130.0
Cheran
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Our grandfather turned up in a small town in Western Australia in around 1926 under the name of Kenneth Harold Scott. DOB we have is 29.05.1897. He married & had a large family. He never spoke of his past.
Delk :)
May I ask a question.
I do see a marriage in WA in the name Kenneth H SCOTT.
What information is given on the marriage certificate?
This is what you would expect to see.
MARRIAGE
Date
Couple's names
Couple's ages
Couple's birthplaces
Previous status
Couple's occupations
Couple's residences
Fathers' names
Fathers' occupations
Groom's mothers name
Sue
PS. I must remind you that we cannot mention the names of the children of this marriage unless you are certain they are deceased.
Sue
Place of birth for Kenneth: Dunedin NZ
Father's name recorded on Marriage Cert = Frank Scott
Mother's Maiden name = Margaret McIntyre
I can't find anything in NZ BDM though.
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Error in posting ;D Info deleted.
I see nothing in NZ either >:(
Sue
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Hi Delk
RE.....Kenneth Harold Scott. DOB we have is 29.05.1897.
Well the man of that same name born in SA did have a birthday on 29 May though the year was 1904 as mentioned in Reply#18. And, his parents and one sister certainly moved to WA so its likely Kenneth also did.
Is this the death of your man?
SCOTT Kenneth Harold died 1957 aged 59
reg. Plantagenet 43
Parents were Frank & Margaret
Rhonda
ADDED Found deaths of other sons of Arthur and Harriett in Perth.
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Yes Rhonda. This is the same person. We know through DNA tests of daughter of Kenneth Scott is linked to DNA of Claybrook familes.
Kenneth Harold Scott & Harold Kenneth Claybrook are the same person.
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Yes Rhonda. This is the same person. We know through DNA tests of daughter of Kenneth Scott is linked to DNA of Claybrook familes.
Kenneth Harold Scott & Harold Kenneth Claybrook are the same person.
Hi Delk,
You sound a good deal more certain of this now.
You had previously expressed some doubt on the absolute identity.
Has something come up to confirm your belief?
Sue
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Yes Rhonda. This is the same person. We know through DNA tests of daughter of Kenneth Scott is linked to DNA of Claybrook familes.
Kenneth Harold Scott & Harold Kenneth Claybrook are the same person.
Hi Delk,
You sound a good deal more certain of this now.
You had previously expressed some doubt on the absolute identity.
Has something come up to confirm your belief?
Sue
I think some of the DNA links are helping Delk and the family confirm their belief...
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where to start ... I am married to the missing Harold Kenneth Claybrook's grandson. We live in Perth. His grandfather ended up in Denmark in Western Australian as you have found out. We have no idea how he got to Western Australia, if he came with the rest of his family or on his own or why he assumed a different name. He always maintained he was from New Zealand and didn't enter correct details on marriage certificates or birth certificates. We just this year found out that his family name is Claybrook (through DNA testing as you have correctly stated.) Harold or Kenneth Scott as the family knows him ended up with 9 children, 6 of which are still living! My father in law died in 1974 at the age of 42, a sister died in 1988 and baby and mother died in 1947. Their ages now range from 75 to 91. None of these children were aware of their father's past life OR surname until this year when one of them did a DNA test, my husband turned up and so did the Claybrooks (o:
There was recently a "Scott" family reunion held near Denmark and there were over 200 descendants of Harold Kenneth Claybrook in attendance. A person that one of the Sisters has been in touch with was aware that there was a missing Claybrook son but has stated that everyone that knew about it has died. So where to from here?