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I have recently found my grandfather William Stubbs b. 1905 in Mallow Workhouse to Annie Stubbs b.1886 Co. Cork, no father on birth certificate.
I have looked on the 1911 census and found a family, William b.1851 and Mary b.1859 Stubbs, sons Daniel, Christopher and Michael and daughter Anne aged 25 and grandson William who is 5 years old.
I am assuming this is the right family for my William Stubbs on 3 counts, firstly this is the right place as my mum, Anne, remembered visiting her grandmother, also Anne, in Mallow, secondly he is the only William Stubbs living in Mallow of the right age and thirdly because William and Mary have only 4 children living and as they are all single William, the grandson, must be illegitimate.
I have also found that Billy and Mary Stubbs tombstones are at St Gobnait's cemetery. I would like to know if these are the same William and Mary as in the 1911 census.
Any help you can give me would be gratefully appreciated as I have only just started researching my Irish roots and unfortunately all the elders died before I was interested!!
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Irish Civil registration started in 1864 - so a little to late to find the births of William and Mary. However it should be possible to find thier mariage and the births of their children. These would give you Mary's maided name and the names for the fathers of William & Mary.
familysearch have an Irish index availabale at : http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=2;t=searchable;c=1408347
you can order research certs from the GRO by post - see www.groireland.ie
using the details from the index, i.e. Name, record type, year/quarter, registration district, volume and page number ( the other details on the index are familysearch/LDS references)
Shane
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Thanks Shane, will try that. :) :)
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Also is interesting that Daniel is aged 33 in 1911.
And William and Mary Stubbs are only married 30. So did this Daniel have a different mother.
This is most likely the marriage index
William Stubbs
Mallow Registration District
Jan-Mar 1880
Vol 5 Page 346
You could chance sending away for the marriage cert on http://www.groireland.ie/
If you give them the above details should be able to find it.
Explain on the form you are fairly sure the wife should be Mary but you dont know her maiden name.
I drive through Mallow every so often i might have a look for the graves of Billy and Mary.
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Hi Gerard,
I did wonder about Daniel because I can only find reg details for Anne, Christopher and Michael and grandson William on the Family Search pilot scheme that I was shown by Shane (although I did find a Dan Tubbs in 1878 in Nenagh, Tipperary) so it's possible that he was from another mother unless they just didn't register him. ???
I have sent away for Anne's birth cert so that should have her mother's maiden name, I did explain that I didn't know the name on the certificate application form so here's hoping, when I get that back I'll try the marriage certificate. :)
Thanks for your help and if you do happen to see the tombstones of Billy and Mary that would be absolutely fantastic. :D
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Also worth a look is that on the census from the marriage between William and Mary they had 7 children born alive and only 4 are still living in 1911.
There is a column for this. So is possible. That the grandson's father/mother was dead by 1911 and living with grand parents.
Ger
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I know that the Grandson William's mother was Anne as I have his original birth certificate, I also know that there was no father named on the certificate, (he admitted himself that he was illegitimate) and he was born in Mallow Workhouse, so I am assuming that the Anne on the 1911 census is his mother as I can find no other Stubbs family in Mallow. Do you know if Stubbs was a common name in Ireland?
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Seems to be rare enough.
Only 12 Stubbs in the whole of Cork in 1911.
And 83 Stubbs in 1911 Census for what Counties have being transcribed so far.
Assuming the spelling Stubbs has being transcribed correct!
I had a look in Griffiths Valuation taken around 1851 for Cork.
And only two listings
Surname Forename Townland Parish County
Stubbs Anne Carrignafoy Templerobin Cork
Stubbs Anne Upper Cotterell's-Row,Qt,(Carrignafoy) Templerobin Cork
Griffiths was not a census but a record of those who rented/held land/property at
the time.
Have a look at this link
http://griffiths.askaboutireland.ie/gv4/gv_family_search_form.php
And search for Stubbs in Cork it appears an Anne Stubbs was some sort of sub leaser of land. 123 people seem to be renting land from her she may have being an agent for a landlord or local gentry. But then you William is only a Labourer in 1911 so dont know if any connection.
Ger
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Hi Gerard, :)
It DOES seem to be rare so far, my mother-in-law, Anne, (William the grandson's daughter) liked to think they were related to George Stubbs the artist so if there is not a proliferation of Stubbs's in Ireland maybe an off shoot came to Ireland from his family in Liverpool. You never can tell ;)
Anyway, onwards and upwards, I will keep that info from Griffiths and have a look at it myself, the name Anne does seem to run thro the family, but then again that and Mary are prob some of the most common Irish girls names I can think of. :)
regards
Diane
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I hope this may help
The William and Mary Stubbs on the Mallow 1911 census were my great grandparents, their son Christopher Stubbs was my grandfather, one of his daughters - Mary Stubbs - is my mother and she is still with us at 94 years young!
I've not found much about William and Mary, I'm very new to this stuff and only started a couple of weeks ago. They were married in Mallow on 10/02/1880, she was Mary Beechinor. Both listed as previously unmarried. They are also on the 1901 Census, living in Ballalley Lane, Mallow then too.
Did Annie Stubbs live in Swindon at some stage. I recall visiting someone who had a corner shop around about 1960 in Swindon and my mum refers to someone else having a pub or small hotel in Gloucester who was related to Annie, a daughter maybe?
Regards
Tom
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Hi Tom,
William and Mary are my husband Dave's great great grandparents , so that makes you cousins a few times removed, you are the same generation as Dave's mum (also Anne). Your mum Mary would have been her aunt.
Unfortunately most of the elders of the family have passed away but I will try to get hold of Anne's brothers Billy and George who are still alive.
As far as I know Annie stayed in Mallow after her son, William, moved to Dublin and married Bridget Rosanna Woods in 1923.
They had Anne, Bridget (Brenda), William (Billy), George and Michael. Anne married Patrick Kelly and had 2 children born in Ireland.
In the mid 50's all the family from Bridget and William moved to London. My husband, Dave, was born to Anne and Patrick in London.
Anne always spoke of visiting her Nan (Annie) in Mallow as a child in the 1930's so Annie must have been there but she never mentioned any of the other members of Annie's family.
Will contact you when can speak to the others
Diane
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Hi Diane
Interesting stuff. Maybe I've muddled the Swindon connection, or could be the right family but a generation or two adrift. Were the 2 children born in Ireland to Anne and Patrick Kelly daughters?
Give my regards to my cousin, your husband!
I'll see if I can find out anything else, I look forward to hearing about anything you unearth.
Regards
Tom
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Hi Tom, I have spoken to Billy and Georgie.
Annie from Mallow married a guy called McCarthy or McCarty, apparently both common usage of the name and then they lost touch they think.
If anyone watching this thread knows more of this please let me know. :) :)
Apparently another member of our family may know more, will try to get hold of him. :)
Anne, (Annie's grandaughter) and Patrick Kelly, my husband Dave's mum and dad, had a daughter Bridget and a son Patrick and then my husband in England.
We also have a bit of interest on our side, ;)
Annie's son William was illegitimate :-[ and the name O'Brien was bandied about in those days. Well. I paid the Mallow Heritage centre to look at the 1901 census, 3 years before William's conception and who do you think was the employer of 17 year old Annie, yes, Farmer O'Brien aged 70 and his 2 sons, aged at the time 13 and 15!!! I think we have the culprit! :D
I hope you enjoy using rootschat, it's solved lots of questions for my ancestors. Will be in touch. We would be interested to hear of any colourful ancestors you may turn up. If you go to my profile you can send messages privately, I will contact you of any living folk that way.
Diane, Dave sends his best.
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The O Brien that you refer to was William O Brien,my Greatgrandfather , he was actually aged 74 in 1901, the sons you refer to are Maurice and David. Maurice died in 1969 and lived all his life in the family home. David went to South Africa in about 1910 to join his two older brothers that fought in the Boer War. My family still live in this house. Your theory may be correct about Annie Stubbs. Who knows ! If you check the 1901 census for the same townland you will find the Stubbs name recorded as domestic servants for the home of Fanny Lynch. I dont know if they are conneced. I know there is a Stubbs family currently living in Mallow. Maybe my father who is now 80 , might know if there is a connection.
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Hi, have you tried The Mallow Heritage Center for birth, baptism, marriage and death records online
The site address is http://www.mallowheritagecentre.com
By the look of things they have the baptism records from all the Stubbs
It does cost 5 Euro per record though :(
I live in Mallow let me know if I can do something for you
Kind regards
The newbie Annemarie
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Hi, have you tried The Mallow Heritage Center for birth, baptism, marriage and death records online
The site address is http://www.mallowheritagecentre.com
By the look of things they have the baptism records from all the Stubbs
It does cost 5 Euro per record though :(
I live in Mallow let me know if I can do something for you
Kind regards
The newbie Annemarie
Welcome to rootschat Annemarie
Ger from Newmarket back the road :)
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My father said that he knew Annie Stubbs, and that she lived behind the Clock House in Mallow. He remembers as a yooung boy ,visiting her in the 30's and 40's. He thinks that she didnt have any children. She was friendly with my Granmother and used to visit the house in the Ironmines on a regular basis. This Annie Stubbs had a brother called Christopher.
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Hi JOC ( and welcome Annemarie :D)
My husband, has been in touch with the family elders and they are certain that O'Brien is the name that was connected with his grandfather, William Stubbs, although we can never be sure which person was his father ;)
I appreciate that the subject is a bit sensitive but it's also fascinating and exciting to find other family however distant :D
Annie Stubbs did have a brother Christopher who was 6 years younger than her. We don't know when or how William got to Dublin but in 1923 he married Bridget Rosanna Woods there and their 1st child born in 1924 was Anne Stubbs who is my husband's mother. Anne often used to visit her grandmother Annie in Mallow as a child and she eventually moved to England in the mid 1950's.
The family think that Annie Stubbs married a Mr McCarty (Mc Carthy?) at some time. ??? Does anone know about this?
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Hi Annemarie, I wonder if the Stubbs in Mallow are related to Annie Stubbs.
Her parents William aged 60, Mary aged 54 and 3 brothers were still living in 1911, Daniel aged 33, Michael aged 19 and Christopher aged 23. Charles who was in service in 1901 with Annie at the O'Brien's was dead by this time. They are all single at this point. According to the family Daniel was known as Doofy Dan??? I wonder why?
So many questions to be answered.... ;)
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I will ask my father-in law about Doofy Dan, he knows most of the older Mallow people when he was a kid will also ask him about the Stubbs family at that time and the current Stubbs in Mallow.
More then likely they are related as there are not that many Stubbs families around anymore
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FYI, there is also a Stubbs gravestone at St.Mary's Cemetery in Mallow. (Mallow town center)
I was there last saturday but forgot to take the name down, I will do so at my next visit
And St Gobnaiths cemetery in Mallow ; Billy Stubbs from Ballydahin and his wife Mary
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Hi thanks for that, if you can photo either or both the graves and send them to me by email that would be great, I will send you my personal email address.
Diane
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Don't know if this post is too late for you.....
The current Stubbs family are in * mallow.
Michael and Mary both deceased. Their children.All in their 50/60s
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If you want you could send a letter to * at the above address.
There is also a * who is a priest in * for 40 years and came from *...
* details of living people remioved
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Hi Renee, its never too late for a reply to a post on rootschat!!
I haven't looked at my husbands side of the family for a while as have been engrossed with goings on on my side!!
However this could be a good time. Can you be a bit more clear for me, is the Michael you refer to in your post (and Mary) who is deceased, the son of Daniel Stubbs and Kate? and are the Fr * Stubbs and * and * his sons? If not how do they fit in with Willam Stubbs b 1851 and Mary Beechinor b 1859?
Look forward to hearing from you
Diane
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Actually just read your post again and realised you were not signing off as Renee, sorry misread it.
Looking forward to hearing from you again
Diane
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Hi Diana
I don't know if the current Stubbs are related to you.
But as there is only one Stubbs in mallow, they may be.
I went to the cemetery and took pics that I can mail to you.
1. St marys mallow
B. D. A
Kate. 1885. 26/6/1959. 74
Dan. 1877. 24/7/1964. 87
G/s Donal 17/10/1946. 11mts
There are 2 graves in st gobnaits mallow near each other.
1 B. D. A
Billy. 1922. 13/5/1974 52
Mary. 1918. 16/10/2007 89
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Michael 1917 30/8/1985. 68
Mary. 1916. 15/10/1974. 58
Hope this is of some help to you.
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Hi, thanks for the information.
I was contacted a while ago by another family member who is Christopher Stubbs's grandson. Christopher was Dan's brother. My husband is Dan's sister Annie's great grandson.
I would love to see those photos and I will send you an email so you can email me back privately. I will email you through the private message system on Rootschat, let me know if you don't get it.
I will do that now, speak soon
Diane
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Hi All, I lived in No.10 Bridewell Lane from 1945(when I was nearly 3) to 1961. Our living quarters was over a forge and the window of the kitchen overlooked Annie's residence, which was just beyond the Clock House Mineral Water factory and Thaedy Lyne's forge was on the other side of Annie's house. She was a larger than life character, good humoured, energetic and always busy with something or other. When I was about 14 she would ask for help in plucking the turkeys and Geese in her kitchen for Christmas. I didn't like plucking geese but so did Annie. When my mother, Nora (Barrett) Dodd died in 1994, we had a trip down memory lane in trying to remember all those who lived in Bridewell Lane. There was no hesitation in remembering Annie, she was a real character who contributed greatly to our little community in Bridewell Lane. We didn't know anything about her family and at my age I probably was not too interested in that aspect. Loved reading your emails.
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Hi, thanks for your kind message. My husband never knew his great grandmother Annie but his mother, also Ann, said that she used to go to Mallow in the holidays and stay with her grandmother. She used to say that she loved going there because her grandmother was always busy baking and had many happy times there. Please can I save your comments to my tree for others to see what a great personality Annie was? (I will take out your mother's name if you wish).
Thanks again xx
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Thank you for your reply. I am new to this game but having known Annie Stubbs as a teenager, I just had to give my two pence halfpenny worth. Please do eliminate my mother's name from the text of mine - shows you, I am uneducated in the technological facilities. I forgot to mention that Annie must have been in her 80's when I knew her, but this didn't restrict her great energy and involvement in everything that was going on around her. Best regards.
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Hi, I have added your kind comments to my tree about Annie who would have been in her early 70's at the time although to a fourteen year old she would have appeared very ancient indeed. ;) I have also left out mum's name for your privacy. I hope you enjoy using Rootschat, I use it very often when I have a problem/query and I find the members very helpful indeed. Thanks everyone!! :)
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Hi All, in the category of "better late than never..."--- I too am one of Annie Stubbs' great-grandsons.
To answer your question about Annie's husband, she married Daniel McCarthy and they had 4 children (in addition to Annie's son William with farmer O'Brien). Those children were Daniel (my grandfather-- born c. 1916), Michael, Anne, and Eileen.
My mom (b. 1942) grew up in Limerick but would visit her grandmother in Mallow on Bridewell Lane. The description of Annie being quite a character was very accurate. She was also a very warm a loving grandmother. I have a few pictures of her if anyone is interested.
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Hi NYC-JIM,
Thanks for your reply to my post, better late than never is great, it's lovely to have a surprise on a Sunday morning, thanks.
My husband, Dave, would be really happy to see photos of Annie, we heard so much about her from his mum Anne Kelly nee Stubbs, she used to go to Mallow in the summer holidays and spend time with her grandmother, happy days for her! I don't think she knew any more about her after the Kelly family moved to England.
I will send you a pm with my email address.
Thanks, Diane
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Hello my name is John Stubbs and I was born in 1950 my father Robert Stubbs was born in Mallow in 1922 his parents were Daniel and Kate Stubbs who lived and run the waterworks until the 1950's. There was one brother Mick and 2 sisters May and Nellie. Only Mick remained in Mallow my father and two Aunts moved to Bristol England. Also during the 50's and 60's my fathers cousins Anne and Eileen left for England Anne married Patrick Ford and ran a Hotel in Nailsworth Gloucestershire called The George until Patrick died previous to this they had a shop in Swindon and ran a Pub, they had two sons George and John. Her sister Eileen lived in Slimbridge Gloucestershire. There son George? died at age 8years and they also had a daughter Mary.
Mick and Mary(Molly) had 4 children Father Jim, Michael, Renee and Robbie. Michael and Jean and Renee and Billy Barrett still live in Mallow.
I was one of 6 children Daniel, John, Paul, Barry Jeanette and Andrew.
May and Bruno have 4 children, Anne, Marie, John and Stephen
Nellie had Pat had 5 children Liam,Catherine, Marie, Michael and John.
I never met Anne Stubbs but made several trips back to Mallow with my parents, on my own and with my wife Anne. I look forward to hearing from any of my relatives.
John
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Stubbs 1911 Census,,,,, http://www.rootschat.com/links/01ix5/
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Hallmark, thanks so much for the link. It was excellent and answered a bunch of questions I had on my great great grandparents (William and Mary Stubbs).
I noticed William and Mary were born in Ireland but I'd heard they were originally from England. Does anyone know when the family arrived in Ireland ?
Cousin John, thanks for your very thorough post. I actually have a photo of your grandfather (Daniel Stubbs) and my grandfather (Daniel McCarthy- your grandfather's nephew) that was taken by your aunt Mary (Mick's wife) in 1943. If you send me a personal message (PM) with your e-mail, I'd be happy to send it to you. All the best, Jim
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Hi John,
Lovely to hear from you too and with so much information. We too will send you a pm with my email address.
Diane and Dave
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Hi John, we spoke some time ago regarding the Stubbs in Mallow family. Could you pm me your email address as I have a question, you did send it before but I've lost it. :-[
Thanks
Diane
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Hello all – an ‘even later joiner to the party’ but I believe that Annie Stubbs was my maternal grandmother and have a vague memory of seeing her shortly before she died in Swindon in 1965. Also, I’m almost 100 % certain that John Stubbs’ father, ‘Uncle Bobby’ as we knew him, was best man at my parents wedding in 1953 as he was my mother Kathleen’s cousin.
Would also like to hear from any of my relatives. Only sorry that I didn’t discover this website sooner!
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Hi All
I was on this thread about 10 years ago, Epsom Tom, but back with a new login now. I've think I've found a few things about William and Mary Stubbs of Ball Alley Lane. I'd heard from cousins that William (my great grandfather) was from England, but that doesn't seem to be the case. His father was Samuel Stubbs, who married Mary Anne Clarke in Mallow on 10th April 1849 in a civil ceremony. Samuel's father was a Joseph Stubbs and Mary Anne's a Thomas Clarke. Samuel, in 1849, was a Private in the 41st Regiment. William married Mary Beechinor in a Catholic service in Mallow on 10th February 1880. Samuel came from a small place called Parke, Turlough near Castlebar in Mayo. He had quite a military career, including serving in the Crimean war. His first wife died and he remarried to a Mary Ann Minorgan, in Dublin, on 9th June 1870 and with his new family emigrated to Ontario in Canada. I've not been able to find the birth or baptism of William Stubbs, but the census of 1901 and 1911 puts his place of birth as Co Cork. I'm Tom Hurst, son of Mary Hurst, who was Mary Stubbs, born in Mallow in 1915 to Christy Stubbs, one of the sons of William and Mary.
I'm still trying to dig out information and look forward to hearing from any cousins with information or questions - all the best, Tom
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civil reg Birth, Marriage and Death results for stubbs of Mallow
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/civil-search.jsp
this search will find them
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Hi Tom, was so pleased to see your recent post, I really thought that this had gone cold! Not sure where I fit in with William and Mary, but looking at one of your earlier posts I can confirm that Annie Stubbs did live in Swindon with her daughter, my auntie, Ann from the late 50s until she died in 1965. The shop in Swindon you went to in 1960 would have been the Hayden Street Stores which Ann managed. The hotel in Gloucester was actually the George Hotel in Nailsworth, Glos which Ann and her husband Pat ran from 1967 until they both retired in 1980. I suppose William would have been my uncle although his father was not my grandfather, if that makes sense. I never got to meet him, but my auntie Eileen, Annie’s youngest daughter, did keep in touch with him and did visit him and his wife occasionally when they were living in London.
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Hi Hallmark, thank you for the link, but it does not have the William Stubbs birth details that I'm looking for, he would have been born in 1850-1860.
I'm not sure of our connection Brinkworth2, but Annie Stubbs (Annie McCarthy) was the sister of my grandfather Christopher Stubbs, both born in Mallow, Cork, if that helps
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https://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/civil-records/help/what-civil-records-are-on-line
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https://registers.nli.ie/parishes/0078 Mallow IF they were R.C.
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Thanks for the clarification Tom, I think this means that your grandfather Christopher was my mother's uncle.
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Thank you, part of the 'mystery' is Samuel Stubbs was Church of Ireland and married in a civil ceremony, but his son William married in an RC one
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Hi all, not sure if anyone is still following this thread, I only just came across it now. My mother is Catherine Stubbs the daughter of Michael & Mary Stubbs in mallow. Michael’s father would be Daniel Stubbs married to Kate (spring) my family still live in mallow and my mother has 3 brothers all alive & kicking!!
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Roseb087
this might be them from an old post of mine....
[/quote]Hi Diana
I don't know if the current Stubbs are related to you.
But as there is only one Stubbs in mallow, they may be.
I went to the cemetery and took pics that I can mail to you.
1. St marys mallow
B. D. A
Kate. 1885. 26/6/1959. 74
Dan. 1877. 24/7/1964. 87
G/s Donal 17/10/1946. 11mts
There are 2 graves in st gobnaits mallow near each other.
1 B. D. A
Billy. 1922. 13/5/1974 52
Mary. 1918. 16/10/2007 89
2
Michael 1917 30/8/1985. 68
Mary. 1916. 15/10/1974. 58
Hope this is of some help to you.
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Hi, Mary & Michael are my grandparents , Kate & Daniel are great grandparents & Daniel would be my uncle. Daniel died in the Somme & buried in France . Not sure of billy & Mary I’ll ask my mom
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Hi Senahel,
Thank you for the details.
I'm Tom, grandson of Christopher Stubbs, who was a brother to Daniel Stubbs.
Yes, the graves are part of the Mallow Stubbs family.
I think the Kate and Dan grave would be the Dan that Rosebud087 refers to, being great grandfather to Rosebud087, and the Michael and Mary grave would be Rosebud087's grandparents. I think Donal would have been uncle to Rosebud087.
The other grave, of Billy and Mary, would be the Billy Stubbs as in one the sons of my grandfather Christopher Stubbs, Billy was brother to my mother Mary Stubbs.
I've found quite a bit of information on the Stubbs family, but never been able to find the birth details of the father of Dan and Christopher, a William Stubbs.
Regards
Tom
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Hi Sussex Tom just spoke to my mam Renee, sorry I was wrong on the Somme & Daniel that was her mothers side not Stubbs 🤦🏻♀️
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Hi all,
Happily, I'm still following this thread!
Roseb087, just to let you know that I'm researching my husband's family. His great-grandmother was Annie Stubbs, Daniel's (wife Kate Spring) sister. Annie wasn't married to my husband's grandfather, William's father, but DNA proves I have the correct family. Also, I knew my husband's mother (Anne Kelly nee Stubbs) very well and she told me a lot about the family history.
So for Tom:- Annie 1883-1965 and her siblings, Daniel 1877-1964, Mary 1880-1901, Michael 1885-1912, William 1888-1892, Christopher 1890-1965 (your grandfather) and baby Charles 1892-1893 whose parents were William Stubbs 1851-1928 and Mary Beechinor 1854-1927.
I only know William was born in Cork from the 1901 and 1911 censuses, but I'm sure you know this already. William died in the North Cork County Home of Valvular Disease of the Heart and Bronchitis. He was a widowed Labourer, late of Mallow and aged 68 years. This means he was born in about 1860. There are some discrepancies about his date of birth as in 1911 he says he is 60 years old but the same goes for his wife Mary who died in the same County Home of Rheumatic Arthritis and Endo-Carditis the previous year, the informant was their daughter Annie who was now married to Jeremiah McCarthy. Having said this as they were the only Stubbs family in Mallow I'm 99% certain of my facts.
Tom, I also think that you know that Mary Ann Clarke was married in a civil ceremony to Samuel Stubbs in Mallow on the 10th May 1849. Still, though I can't find an actual record of William's birth, lots of people have William as their son but no actual proof. I guess that if Samuel was a Soldier he could have, in reality, been born anywhere Samuel went with Mary Anne.
Good hunting
Diane
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Thank you Diane - yes, I'd agree with all of your comments.
Samuel Stubbs 1824-1904, father to William, was born in Mayo, as was his father Joseph Stubbs 1770-1855.
Samuel served in the 41st Regiment of Foot and after being stationed in Cork from about 1849 to 1851, the 41st went to Corfu, Greece. From there they went to Malta in February 1853 and then on to fight in the Crimean war.
Mary Anne Clarke died, don't know when or where, as Samuel remarried in 1870 in Dublin, to a Mary Anne Minorgan and after having some children in Dublin, they moved to Canada, where his brother and widowed father had settled. Samuel died in Herschel, Ontario on 13th December 1904. I have wondered if Mary Anne Clark travelled with Samuel to Corfu/Malta, but I've not found that out.
I did meet Annie, in Swindon, would have been in the early 1960s, in the 'corner shop'
All the best,
Tom
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SussexTom,
Is this gentleman who lives in Massena, New York State still alive?
If so, you will need to remove his name from your post - we aren't allowed to post details of living people.
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Pardon my ignorance and thank you for your help - sorted now
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Hi Tom, I'm glad you met Annie, by all accounts she was a really nice lady. I found Annie's grave in Whitworth Road Cemetery, Swindon, we've put a little marker on the grave because it's not got a headstone, hopefully it'll last a while.
I'll have a look at the Corfu possibility and let you know if I find anything.
Thanks, Diane