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Research in Other Countries => Australia => Australia Lookups completed => Topic started by: shakel on Friday 31 July 09 07:51 BST (UK)
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Hi all,
I'm looking for any marriage or death details on GEORGE NEWTWIG.
He was born in Sweden, emigrated here at some stage and enlisted in WW1 on 26/1/1916 at Adelaide SA.
I've accessed his war records - but would like to know if he got married and when he died. As he enlisted in SA, I'm assuming that's where he lived.
Shakel
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NEWTWIG George 33 years Single Father Karl Emil NYQUIST
BEAGLEHOLE Florence Gertrude 31 years Father John BEAGLEHOLE
6 Oct 1921
Place Res of John Beaglehole Moonta Dal V 289/78
Cheers
Cando
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His naturalisation file is also on
http://www.naa.gov.au/collection/recordsearch.aspx
Cheers
Cando
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Deaths
NEWTWIG George
30 May 1937
48 years Married
Residence Moonta Death Place Nr Cape Elizabeth Dal 595/4257
NEWTWIG Florence Gertrude
22 May 1943
52 years Widow Relative George NEWTWIG [Deceased Husband]
Residence Moonta Death Place Moonta Dal H 663/2492
Cheers
Cando
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http://www.samemory.sa.gov.au/site/page.cfm?c=7392
There is also this rather sad reference to a George Newtwig and his wife and son along with two other fisherman drowning in 1937
under Fishing the article is.
Jenn
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Something amiss here......Florence Gertrude's death was in 1943 and the H indicates she died in a hospital or place of care.
This is the linked item
The People's weekly served the largest of the Yorke Peninsula towns (Moonta) for almost 80 years.
In 1937 the Lilly May, the boat of fisherman George Newtwig disappeared. On board were both Newtwig and his wife, together with their young son and two other fishermen. All were later found to have drowned (31 July 1937, p. 2).
Wonder of our judb is able to access this edition of The People's Weekly at NLA?
Cando
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http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~dicummings/BeagleholeWH-Obituaries.htm
People's Weekly, 4th December 1943. OBITUARY MR JOHN BEAGLEHOLE jnr.
referes to his daughter also dying that year.
So the newspaper report of 1937 is indeed very odd.
Jenn
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The snippet has been taken from the original newspaper report and not accurately transcribed. Only explanation I can think of.
Cando
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Hello there Cando,
no sign of a death for a young Newtwig?
Jenn
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Hi Cando and Jenn,
I just replied - but it seemed to get lost in the back of my computer - sorry if it suddenly turns up and it appears I'm repeating myself ;D
You two are amazing!!! In the time it takes to make a cup of tea - you have found all this information!!!
There is a problem between the dates of the Newtwig family tradgedy and Florence's death ???
Any thoughts
Shakel
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I think Cando's reply no 7 would be the answer
Jenn
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Here is her burial at Moonta under a mistranscription.
Surname... NEWTING
Given Names ...GERTRUDE
Cemetery ...Moonta Cemetery
Section... West 19
Plot/Grave/...Niche 17
Age at Death... 53 YEARS
Date of Burial... 23.05.1943
Grave Depth ...10 feet
Permit/Lease/Register... 15868
Sue
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This is possibly her father.
Surname... BEAGLEHOLE
Given Names... JOHN
Cemetery ...Moonta Cemetery
Section ...West 19
Plot/Grave/...Niche 16
Age at Death ...85 YEARS
Date of Burial... 29.11.1943
Grave Depth... 7 feet
Permit/Lease/Register... 15890
Sue
As you see, close proximity, and later in the same year.
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There are only two NEWTWIG deaths on the SA indexes. The newspaper item has obviously been mistranscribed onto the SAMemory website. Perhaps it was the wife and child of one of the other fisherman. The original item would need to be viewed.
Cheers
Cando
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Thanks for that Sue,
I would never have seen that.
A very sad end for a family.
I was hoping to trace some descendants so a wonderful English gentleman could return something very special to them.
Shakel
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A transcription of Gertrude's death registration would show if there were any living or deceased issue...no names just numbers.
http://www.saghs.org.au/research.htm#transcription
Deaths - copied from SA Resources at the top of the board.
1908-1947
* Date and Place of Death
* Name
* Sex
* Age
* Occupation
* Usual Residence
* Birthplace
* Length of Residence in Commonwealth
* Age at Marriage
* Number of Issue Living and Deceased
* Cause of Death
* Place of Death
* Informant
There are no NEWTWIG entries in the whitepages.
The dates of death on many websites are actually dates of burial.
Cheers
Cando
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Thanks for that site, Cando.
Sounds like the death certificates are like the NZ ones - no names for the issue. Makes it almost impossible to trace extended family.
Shakel
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There was one birth to 1928 - a daughter - should have checked earlier. Details pm'd
Marriages in SA only extend to 1937 and she is not listed on deaths to 1972.
I doubt there is a headstone on Gertrude's grave as I can't find her name on two online sites that list the headstones at Moonta.
I can only suggest a letter to the local paper
http://www.ypct.com.au/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1
Clara may have married and stayed on Yorke Peninsula.
Cheers
Cando
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Thanks Cando,
That's a good suggestion - a letter to the local paper could turn up something.
Shakel
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I doubt there is a headstone on Gertrude's grave as I can't find her name on two online sites that list the headstones at Moonta. CANDO
I am not sure, but there is an incongruity in listings here...
There is no showing headstone for Florence Gertrude Newting or Newtwig, but there is on ..
http://headstones.weebly.com/index.html
a photo available for Florence Gertrude HENTWIG BEAGLEHOLE at Moonta.
As mentioned that is where she is buried in close proximity to her father John BEAGLEHOLE. He has a photographed headstone too.
Sue
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a photo available for Florence Gertrude HENTWIG BEAGLEHOLE at Moonta.
As mentioned that is where she is buried in close proximity to her father John BEAGLEHOLE. He has a photographed headstone too.
PerhapsSue this is her mother and she may very well have a headstone
Jenn
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Hi all
Can't see The Peoples Weekly on the NLA catalogue :-\. There is a paper called The Pioneer which seems to have run from 1898-1960. There are no other papers that include the dates given that I can see on the catalogue for the Yorke peninsula. However, I suppose a tragedy like that would likely be reported in the Adelaide paper?
I'll have a look next time. ;D
Lots of Beaglehole refs on the ANL beta newspaper site
http://ndpbeta.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/home
Judith
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Hi Jenn,
PerhapsSue this is her mother and she may very well have a headstoneJENN
This is a possibility Jenn, but I find it significant that the burial for a person called Florence Gertrude Beaglehole is not listed with the other Beagleholes at Moonta though a headstone photo is!
And one cannot ignore the similarity in name between HENTWIG and NEWTWIG.Itooks to me like a mistranscription from a headstone which is part of the headstone of John and perhaps others.
There are other women by the name Beaglehole in close proximity to John who may well be his wife
Sue
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Florence Gertrude NEWTWIG is buried in the adjacent grave to her parents who are both in the one grave and is it is quite obvious that not only has her burial record been mistranscribed by the Copper Triangle Council but the linked website has misread the headstone inferring that she is a BEAGLEHOLE. I would say it was a double grave with one headstone. Perhaps the inscription reads something like and their daughter, Florence Gertrude NEWTWIG.
Gertrude [as she is named on her mistranscribed burial record] was buried at 10' with is the depth to allow a 2nd burial. Her mother was buried at this depth in 1927 and her father is in the same grave.
Naturally with the mistranscribed names I missed both the burial record and headstone. Can only post what I find.
Cando
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Hi all
Can't see The Peoples Weekly on the NLA catalogue :-\. There is a paper called The Pioneer which seems to have run from 1898-1960. There are no other papers that include the dates given that I can see on the catalogue for the Yorke peninsula.
The archived copies of The People's Weekly didn't appear to be in the SLSA catalogue either. It commenced publication in c1860.
Cheers
Cando
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Woke up this morning to find all the activity that had gone on - thank you all so much for looking for this family.
It seems there may be a daughter - Clara - thank you Cando for finding that - although, tracing her may be just as difficult.
I shall take your advise and write to the local paper.
Shakel
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1924 Sands Directory listed Geo NEWTWIG as a baker of Ryan Street, Moonta.
John BEAGLEHOLE is a Grocer in Ryan Street.
Unfortunately Moonta Cemetery Monuments no help
Lots of Beaglehole Graves
Florence Gertrude Hewtwig, died 22/5/1943 aged 52 years
Clara Priscilla, died 12/5/1927 aged 68 years
John h.o.a, died 27/11/1943 aged 83 years
Percival, s.o.a, killed in Poziers France on 16/8/1916 aged 25 years.
Cheers Kris :)
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I will be at the library next week, so will see what I can find out about the drowning in the papers. The article does not seem right, as I cannot find anybody else dying on that date in the right area. I even looked around the date in case the entries had been entered on different dates due to the finding the bodies at different times. Not just no sign of any other Newtwigs but no sign of the other fisherman either. I have to wonder if the others may have been on board but survived and the article is wrong. There may have been other children born after 1928 so could be a son.
Cheers Kris :)
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Just a thought here, if there were children to George Newtwig maybe they could have reverted back to the original name of NYQUIST as shown in the marriage.
There are a small number of NYQUIST listed in the White Pages but all in NSW, but we do know how much family members moved about.
It is also possible that with both parents dying when they (sic) were very young, another family took them in and they have their name.
Jenn
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Good afternoon everyone - I can't thank you enough for the interest you have shown in George. He has become a mystery, or rather, his family have as we seem to know what happened to him. It's interesting that his death has been recorded on the AIF Project - how would those details have been added to his War Record - I didn't think that that would have been relevant - only war injuries or death as a result of war ??? ???
That's an interesting thought Jenn - perhaps they (if any)were raised by extended family - although there seemed to be more Beagleholes than Newtwigs......
Thanks Kris for the offer of a lookup at the library - were Flo, Clara, John, Percival all Newtwigs??? and were they all buried in Moonta???
Shakel
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Hi Shakel,
I believe the given names you have listed were BEAGLEHOLE's.
Is that what you meant?
You can search here for yourself.
http://www.coppercoast.sa.gov.au/site/page.cfm?u=764
Sue
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Hi Shakel,
No they are all Beaglehole Graves - lots more but I only singled out those four which appear to be together. Looks like John's second wife is nearby alone. I have not seen the graves but can only assume there is nothing to make Florence's surname stand out. The surname seems to have been included as a third Christian name, wherever I find it (and Hewtwig not Newtwig) - would need to see the grave itself to understand why. There are no Newtwig gravestones listed in the Copper Triangle, but it sounds like Georges body was not recovered.
Will see if I can uncover anything further next week.....................Kris :)
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Good afternoon everyone - I can't thank you enough for the interest you have shown in George. He has become a mystery, or rather, his family have as we seem to know what happened to him. It's interesting that his death has been recorded on the AIF Project - how would those details have been added to his War Record - I didn't think that that would have been relevant - only war injuries or death as a result of war
The A.I.F Database
http://www.aif.adfa.edu.au:8080/index.html
to quote the opening page
"About The AIF Project
Its major activity is the construction of a database that draws on a wide range of sources to provide details on the 330,000 men and women who served overseas in the (First) Australian Imperial Force, 1914-1918. "
the details were mostly taken from the N.A.A. where you can see George Newtwig WW1 record.
The information regarding his death may have been either sent in later or the researchers would have found it. The project was a magnificient achievement and one that will no doubt be treasured down the generations to come.
edit by Jenn I see the researchers found his cemetery records.
Jenn
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Shakel,
I gather from you comments that you are not related to George Newtwig rather you are helping someone?? to try and trace any living descendants to return something????
Would you care to share or is it too personal?
Jenn
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Just looked up the AIF project and found Percy - he was a Beaglehole - John and Clara, the parents - sorry Kris - I misread your info.
Jenn - I rang all the NYQUISTs in the phone book - they all belong to the same family - unfortunately not our George.....they were all very nice and wished us luck in our search.
Shakel
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Hi Shakel,
I hope you saw REPLY # 19 where I made mention of a photo being available.
Sue
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That's right Jenn - except I've just found out he is a Scottish Gentleman, not English.
I don't think he would mind. He has an Album of drawings drawn by wounded soldiers whilst in hospital during WW1 in England. Although it seems an impossible task, he would like to trace descendants of the soldiers and return the drawings to the rightful families. His story impressed me so much, I felt I wanted to help out - however, not being very good at this, I, of course, need your help - of which you have all been wonderful.
When I located his War record, I thought we were getting very close - but then came the news of his death, along with his family - and the trail went cold - maybe there is no more trail to follow....if that is the case, the artwork is in safe hands - of that I am sure.
Shakel
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Thanks Sue,
I did follow your link just then - is it an eBay site? Not sure how to use those. Thank you for the link to the Copper Coast Cemeteries - haven't seen that one before - it will help me with my other research.
Shakel
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George's body was not recovered. It is mentioned on his page on the AIF project website. Perhaps George was a member of the local Returned Soldiers League and the information may have been available from them. Plus [from his record]Miscellaneous information from cemetery records - Husband of Florence Gertrude NEWTWIG, William Street, Moonta, South Australia
I am also wondering if the two graves in question were unmarked for a number of years. Our very kind Kym who has photographed the Moonta Cemetery along with many other country and metropolitan cemeteries, does not have the BEAGLEHOLE names on her database of photographs she has for the Moonta Cemetery.
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~deadsearch/moonta.htm
Also from Kris
Unfortunately Moonta Cemetery Monuments no help
I have been to the Moonta Cemetery several times and there are many graves which only have very small markers - perhaps this is the situation here.
Cando
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Hi
- is it an eBay site? Not sure how to use those.
No Shakel, it is not an ebay site.
It is a site where for a small fee you may purchase a photo from the collection of Cemetery Headstone photos it contains.
http://headstones.weebly.com/index.html
Go to index>scroll to Moonta>note the entire name on the headstone ( the photo is underBEAGLEHOLE with her father)>go to purchase single photo> follow the simple instructions to buy.
Sue
ADDING
You may possibly discover something extra by contacting this person.
http://www.ausbdm.org/lookup.php?st=SA
scroll to name Mar****** Phil********
I have had very positive contact with her in the past. :D
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Thank you Sue,
Trust me to not know what's going on :o
I'm still finding my way around computers and what I can and can't do!!!!
Shakel
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Just back from the Library. George was alone. I have printed out some articles if required. (Wallaroo Times and The Peoples Weekly.
Kadina andWallaroo Times Wed June 2
TRAGEDY OF THE SEA
MOONTA FISHERMAN LOST IN STORM
Periodically the sea takes its toll of the men whom the need to earn a living forces them forces upon the sea all kinds of weather. Week days or Sundays, if conditions allow it, they venture forth in their little skiffs to earn a livlihood on the uncertain waters.
Thus on Sunday last, May 30, Mr George NEWTWIG, a married man of 49, with two children, met his sad end in the course of following his calling. He had gone out towards the South in his boat, by himself, and was last seen between what is called the "Gap" and Cape Elizabeth. The wind was strong, and from the North, and quite a number of other boats from Moonta and Sims Cove were also out. The sea, although somewhat boisterous in the morning, calmed down considerably towards late afternoon, with the wind, however, in practically the same quarter. The sky had been fairly clear until then, but a bank of dun clouds was noticed about 4.30, and these moved towards the land rapidly. Obviously, a change was coming, although the south-west is not the usual quarter for anything definite in the way of a storm. Shortly before 5 o'clock a number of fishing boats were observed coming home and passing Port Hughes, the wind by this time having already increased. Two motor boats also made haste for shelter, and it appeared as if all the boats had taken warning in time to miss the squall.
A little after 5 o'clock the wind was blowing fiercely, and the clouds looked most promising for rain. White forces topped the waves, and all cars that had made a rendezvous of the beach were well on their way home when the squall struck the land. Dense dust blew over the fallow land, and the rain followed.
It was in this squall that the unfortunate Mr Newtwig was caught, about 6 miles from Moonta, and when last seen, he had the engine working and the sails up. It is surmised that the boat was driven on some of the adjacent reefs, for nothing has been seen of it since. The assumption is that Mr Newtwig was drowned in the strong surf.
Search was begun early on Monday morning by Sergeant Jury and a number of fishermen, but only portions of wreckage, hatches and the engine box were found south of Pt Hughes and at Mangrove Point, Warburto. Another search was made on Tuesday but without any hope of finding Mr Newtwig alive. Indeed the high sea that accompanied the squall would have prevented even the strongest swimmer of reaching safety.
Cheers Kris :)
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I wont type the others out in full. One from The Peoples Weekly (early June - forgot to write the date down)
states "Mr George NEWTWIG who was a sailor before coming to Moonta years ago. He was known as Moonta's most daring fisherman, and not infrequently went out when others thought it advisable to stay ashore. He was one of the fishermen who worked alone, and set out in his cutter in the morning. All appeared to have gone well until evening. When other fishermen were returning home, Newtwig kept fishing, and told an occupant of one of the other boats that he wanted to fill his basket."
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His boat was last seen by Mr Fred Johnson who was returning to the jetty between the gap and Cape Elizabeth. Between 5 and 6 o'clock a south westerly squall, accompanied by rain, broke somewhat suddenly. Johnson said he had never previously experienced such heavy surf.
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Mr NEWTWIG was a baker by trade and at one time a master baker in the town. He was 49 years of age, and a returned soldier. He married the only daughter of Mr John Beaglehole of Moonta and there are two children of the marriage.
Cheers Kris :)
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A mistake has been made with SA memory article we had found.
THE PEOPLES WEEKLY July 31 1937
Moonta Bay Boating Fatality
Boat found, but no sign of the Body
this article starts with mention of the boat of Mr George NEWTWIG which sank during the blow of the 30th May last and from which date no trace of Mr Newtwig has been found. (Details of attempts to recover the boat and Sergeant Jury mentions the assistance and cooperation of the fishermen.)
This sad occurrence recalls another which occurred near the same spot on 5 June 1921 when the Ketch LILLY MAY foundered when on her way from from Pt Victoria to Wallaroo with a cargo of wheat. In this tragedy the captain of the LILLY MAY Mr Percy Anderson, his wife and son (aged 6) and Messrs L Ripley of Birkenhead and J Johannessen (address unknown) lost their lives.
George NEWTWIG'S Skiff was not named in any article I viewed.
Cheers Kris :)
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I did not locate a death notice for George. (perhaps as the body was not recovered) I did however find one for Florence.
NEWTWIG - On May 22 at the Moonta Hospital, Florence Gertrude, wife of the late George NEWTWIG and loving mother of Clara and Mary, and daughter of John BEAGLEHOLE.
Cheers Kris :)
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Hi Kris,
How can I thank you for the work you have done - you are amazing ;D ;D ;D
Imagine that!! The newspaper report of 1937 got it all wrong - I wonder how that came about??
At least now we have some descendants - Clara and Mary.
Cando said you can only access marriage records up until 1937 in South Australia, so I guess we're no closer to finding living relatives.
Once again Kris, thank you so much for your efforts today :D :D
Shakel
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Hi Shakel,
You are welcome. ;D It is not that the newspaper report got it wrong. The newspaper article in The Peoples Weekly has the correct story of George's demise and then relates it to a tragedy which happened 16 years earlier in the same area. Somehow the abridged version on SA Memory has mixed up the two tragedies. I have notified them.
Alas as you say, we cannot tell you who Clara and Mary married as we can only access marriages to 1937. We can access deaths to 1972 but alas parents are not listed in the index, so no way of telling if they died after having married. Hopefully if there are descendants someone will google up this thread. The only two NEWTWIG deaths to 1972 are George and Florence so guessing they did marry. (If they remained in SA)
He had no family here and her family were in Moonta so seems likely the girls may have been brought up there. A notice in the local paper as previously suggested sounds the best option from here. Two children so hopefully there may be descendants out there. ;D
Cheers Kris :)
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Well Done Kris
this would have taken some time and effort :D :D :D
Shakel
another avenue you could take is to ring the 5 Beaglehole listings in the online White pages.
Or try contacting Di Cummings whose threads are all about Beaglehole families
her email address is on the botton of this link to Bound for South Australia
http://www.slsa.sa.gov.au/fh/passengerlists/BoundforSouthAustralia.htm
Jenn
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Fantastic ;D ;D ;D
you have all been wonderful - Bill (the Scottish gentleman) and I really appreciate the time and effort you have all put in to this posting. I will give the Beaglehole's a ring (tomorrow).
Shakel
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http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,392324.15.html
seems this ties in with another rootschat thread
Jenn
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Hi Jenn,
We're jumping around the place tonight ;D
It's interesting, don't you think? Especially if someone actually finds one of the soldier's descendants.
Shakel
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Not jumping around at all. It is a good idea to link threads on similar topics in which you are involved. After all there has been a lot of input from Aussie chatters.
Cando
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Sorry, Cando.
Still very new to this site and not yet sure of the etiquette. I appreciate being guided in the right direction if I stray off the track ;D
Shakel
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Hi
I am looking for any information on John Carey Beaglehole b-1826 Dartmouth, Devon, England in Australia. I have a possible marriage of John to a Mary Dignam and a possible death of 1907 in Victoria. However, I cannot find an immigration record or any census information that might offer details of his wife and any children etc. The wider family is a seafaring family.
Many thanks.
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Hi there
there is no census records in Australia to speak of
here is a link to his death notice
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/10161446?searchTerm=beaglehole&searchLimits=l-state=Victoria|||l-decade=190|||l-year=1907
and a little bit more
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/72805569?searchTerm=beaglehole&searchLimits=l-state=Victoria|||l-decade=190|||l-year=1907
regards Jenn
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Death
BEAGLEHOLE, John.
Father Jno BEAGLEHOLE
Mother Ann CAREY
Aged 81
At Stawell
Reg 14143
Yr1907
Another death in Stawell.
BEAGLEHOLE, Mary
Father DIGMAN, Constantine
Mother Mary CUNNINGHAM
Aged 74
At Stawell
Reg 10992
Year 1911
In 1903 four people named BEAGLEHOLE registered to vote in Victoria.
From the Electoral Roll.
All same address
Wimmera Street ,Stawell
Annie. Dressmaker
John. Miner
Mary. Home Duties
Mary. Dressmaker
In 1908 the females remain registered, but John is not listed.
Sue
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Thank you very much Jenn and Sue. Great to get some additional information. John Carey Beaglehole's father was called John but his mother was Mary Ann Carey. Of course she may have called herself Ann or the Mary may have been missed off the death record. In the UK records she is always Mary Ann. I will see what I can find on the Dignam side- assuming his wife also emigrated? 50 years back from John's death would give an entry date to Australia possibly in early 1860, a couple of years before he married maybe.
Intriguing!
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Death notice for wife Mary http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article142947941
Death notice for daughter Ann http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article11784644
Death notice for daughter Mary http://nla.gov.au/nla.news-article4581241
Ros
adding : You can find their deaths on Vic BDM https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/indexsearch.doj
Just click on the index entry to get more information.
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This death notice is also of interest
Argus (Victoria)5th Jan. 1918
SMITH.—On the 18th December, 1917, at her residence, "Fernleigh," Wimmera street, Stawell, Annie Smith, relict of the late Peter Smith, Maldon, beloved sister of the late Mrs. John
Beaglehole, and beloved aunt of Mary and Annie Beaglehole. (A colonist of 58 years.)
Death
SMITH, Annie
Aged 80
Father Constantine DIGNAM
Mother Mary Cunningham
At Stawell
Reg 14202
Year 1917
Perhaps the sisters arrived together around 1859.
Sue
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This looks like the arrival of Anne DIGNAM, the aunt, see above.
Ship 'John and Lucy'. Assisted Immigrant. Arrival date Dec. 1858.
DIGNAM, Anne. Calling, Cook. From Dublin. Roman Catholic. Aged 24. Can read and write. Engaged by Mr GREEN. At Madeleine Street.
Sue
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Thank you very much. I am so grateful for your help and the leads you have offered. Another day researching ahead!
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Hi again, I have managed to tie up a lot of loose ends but still struggling to find John Cary Beaglehole in passenger lists. I found a transcript that cited him on the 'Charlotte Jane in 1852 but the list I viewed did not show him. Could he have been crew? Are there crew lists?
Also Constantine Dignan died in Stawell aged 91 years in 1892 (b-1801). There is a transcript for a Constantine Degnin for 1866 Liverpool to Melbourne on the 'Dallam Tower' but gives his age as 55 years. Is this him? if so he came out after his daughters. Have not been able to find Mary Dignan's immigration record either. Feeling pretty pleased with what I have got though!
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https://online.justice.vic.gov.au/bdm/indexsearch.doj
A copy of John's Marriage certificate in 1862 will confirm his parents.
Regards Jenn
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Hi again, I have managed to tie up a lot of loose ends but still struggling to find John Cary Beaglehole in passenger lists. I found a transcript that cited him on the 'Charlotte Jane in 1852 but the list I viewed did not show him. Could he have been crew? Are there crew lists?
Also Constantine Dignan died in Stawell aged 91 years in 1892 (b-1801). There is a transcript for a Constantine Degnin for 1866 Liverpool to Melbourne on the 'Dallam Tower' but gives his age as 55 years. Is this him? if so he came out after his daughters. Have not been able to find Mary Dignan's immigration record either. Feeling pretty pleased with what I have got though!
Look again at the image for "Charlotte Jane"
He is there as a passenger
Transcript says Reaglehole, but it is clearly John BEAGLEHOLE.
Farm Labourer. For Melbourne. English.
14th from the bottom on the left passenger column.
Interestingly the complete name for one of his daughters was Charlotte Ann ;D
Sue
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Constantine Dignan died in Stawell aged 91 years in 1892 (b-1801).
Death notice.
It is the correct man
http://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/197973591
If the immigrant on the "Dallam Tower" is the same man, it is not unusual to find years deducted from the age of older people on ship's lists.
Sue
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Brilliant- thank you! I should have looked harder. Yes I noted the daughter was Charlotte Ann- John's elder sister back in the UK was also called Charlotte- which made me think I might have the right person. So the name of the boat and a sister makes it a perfect choice. Also another child died called Elizabeth and he also had a younger sister called Elizabeth. So it all fits.