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Family History Documents and Artefacts => Unwanted Certificates & Artefacts => Topic started by: Steve G on Sunday 02 August 09 18:13 BST (UK)
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;) I have a shed load. I use them for stitching in shots of churches where people were married. Things like that. There's really no telling just what I do have on here. Now I've found this board, I thought I'd extend the offer to freely send anyone else here jpg's which may be of use to them.
They've been sourced from just about every and anywhere a shot existed. I didn't do it. I bought them. Think I might possibly have a shot ye could use to dress up ye own FT site? By all means give me a shout. I'll see what I can do.
Meanwhile; Should anyone have a picture of Portsmouth Registry Office ~ Without the happy couple and their entourage blocking up the steps ~ I'd be eternally grateful for a copy. I could really use that shot.
Sadly, of course; It's now a pub and quite useless :(
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Could this be what you are looking for?
Moderator comment: sorry but the image appears to be subject to copyright. Please see link below to view the photo, which anyone may do.
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:( Potter; Love ye to bits for the thought, but that's the 'New' Registers. (Chills my blood, even today, to see that infernal place again and remember what I let myself in for, inside there! ;D)
No, as my fading memory of 'dear' Portsmouth tells me, the place I always knew ~ as did half my ancestors ~ was something like back out the gate. Turn left. Up the road to the round about. Left there. Along that four lane road and it was up on the corner, that side. Somewhere south westish of the Guildhall square,I think ??? It's a studenty type pub now anyway. Probably called bloody " Reggies " or something! ::) Seen shots of it now. Completely worthless.
Anyway, that really Is a blinding shot of the (new) place! May I nick it and store it away for future use, please? There'll be more of my folks yet to go in there and up Those stairs. That one can illustrate the coming generations road to ..... :-X
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Hello SteveG
Aw... I thought it was pretty easy to find... which is why I am writing again!
As far as I'm concerned you can use it, but I did not take that photo, so you had better check it is ok to use it.
I got it from Drumaboy on the Flickr website here...
http://www.rootschat.com/links/06wv/
Google found 64 photos matching Portsmouth Registry Office on that site! Click "search" above to see!
You may find one of the old Registry Office among them... I've never been to Portsmouth, so I haven't got a clue what it looks like!
Sorry!
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This is probably it... also from Drumaboy at Flickr.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/drumaboy/2234192731/in/set-517274/
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Hi I wondered if you had a picture of St. Bartholomews of Southsea?? It was bombed in the war and really difficult to find? My Grandmother was christened there. I live just outside Portsmouth in Havant. Thanks
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Potter; Sorry. I somehow appear to have missed ye post, back then :-[
Either way, it looks like hindsight rules. All the pictures of the PRO are now of what it's become. That infernal 'pub'.
Let this serve as a lesson to us all, eh? Nip down to ye local Registrars, next Sunday. Get a shot of where ever the 'happy couple' normally stand for the photo shoot. That one photo could grace generations of ye own family in years to come and for the years now gone.
I appreciate ye sterling efforts though. Thanks ;)
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Genuisscuffy ..... ;D How delighted am I to be able to sort you out?!
Please PM me an e mail addy. I'll have a shot of (Pre War) St. Bart's of Southsea in the return!
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Yarrrrrr
By any remote chance can you find a picture of "Ashley Villas", Southsea ( 1880's). Oh ... and the grave in "f-south wall" Highland Road cemetery of my dear g-g-grandma before a bomb fell on her final resting place!!!!
Am I asking for miracles here , lol
Gem x
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Gem; Sadly, I'd might as well state here and now that I appear to have No cemetery shots. (Saying that, I take it ye've already exhausted the various, dedicated, grave sites?)
" Ashley Villas ". Dunno. Do ye know where in Southsea it was? Only, " Villas " was quite a vogue title for the posh properties of Southsea, at some point or other.
I do have quite a top heavy selection of Southsea shots, as it happens. Perhaps your place could be featured amongst them? Only, I doubt it'd be directly titled as such. See?
Point me closer and I'll check. The 'Parades' I have. 'Canoe Lake' I have, coming out of my ears. If Ashley might be recognisable from such as these? We'll need to fine tune.
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Doh !
Unfortunately all I have is " Ashley Villas", Shaftesbury Road, Southsea. My g-g-g Uncle was A Naval Chaplain but I have no idea as to which Church he helped out at when ashore! ( Edward Martin Johnstone 1829-1880 something)
Gem x
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Gem; Shaftesbury runs parallel to the (in my time, notorious Nightingale Rd ~ where the right contacts and cash could get ye anything, except a credit rating! :o) Don't be put out though. It now seems the area might have been sanitised. Prices asked around there seem to reflect that.
This (http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?imgurl=http://assets.byteplay.com/5333977.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.southseapropertygazette.co.uk/for-sale%3Fpage%3D1%26sort%3D1%26type%3D1%26price_min%3D%26price_max%3D60000%26beds_min%3D%26beds_max%3D%26pc%3D&usg=__-Srk69WPkvY0qPswiX8UG26tbRc=&h=232&w=310&sz=17&hl=en&start=1&um=1&itbs=1&tbnid=RV49jBiLMx9SRM:&tbnh=88&tbnw=117&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dshaftesbury%2Broad%2Bsouthsea%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26newwindow%3D1%26safe%3Doff%26sa%3DN%26tbs%3Disch:1) reflects that. It's also a perfectly fair representation of the sort of buildings around that block. From personal memory; I'd suggest that most houses down Shaftesbury might have adopted the title " Villas ". It would've likely been painted, in gold, across their door light.
Saying that? I just can't shake the impression of there being at least one place, down those roads, which was distinctly different and set alone between the towering places such as the one above.
I'd suggest ye pursue this through someone actually on the ground, in Pompey.
Unfortunately, I have photo's of places within fifty yards of that road. But, the photographer saw no reason to shoot the actual properties down there :-\
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Hi Steve g
Do you by any chance have any shots of Dock Row, Wish Street, Queen Street or North Street ?
Cheers
Smokey
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Smokey; Queen St. struck me right between the eyes, to start with! I'm near as damnit certain I have something on Queen Street. In fact, I Know I have a couple of shots of an old theatre / cinema that stood there. I Think I have a view (or two?) from the southern end too.
As for the other spots? All sound Portsea to me. I'm not au fait with the exact street names round there. Again, most of the stuff I have identified is just what I've been able to figure out by simply recognising it from a long memory.
I can do ye plenty of stuff from " The Hard ", if that's of any interest to ye? That was pretty much the 'front' of Portsea. Streets that made up the rest were just ..... err ..... the places round the back of the facade.
You have folks from the area? In my time, " The Hard, Portsea " was always a sort of black comedic term: Anyone born and raised there was likely to be pretty damn 'Hard'. Half a century ago, it'd take a Hard ~ or just psychotically deranged fight seeking ~ person to step into that 'hood :o
And, yeppers, it all sort of started at the northern end of Queen Street. The ol' spincture tightened with the first step south from there.
Listen; I'm on Dublin time here. Half wrecked and answering an e mail from a good mate. Digest the above and see if ye can point me any closer. I'll see what I can do in the next 24 hours ;)
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Hi Steve g
Do I know Queen Street I was Naval Provost 1982 to 1994 I patrolled those mean streets, weird all the time I was there I did'nt realise my ancestors lived there. North street is off Queen st got flattened in the war and there are new houses there now where the local kids used to chuck rocks at the Provost van from behind the hedge (oh happy days). its right next to the barracks.
Regards
Smokey
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Naval Provost?! In the day, You were Bait, mate! ;D I had mates with short hair ~ for what ever reason. They reckoned there was nothing more amusing than being seen by you guys and bolting!
Of course, your lads would go after them, thinking they were AWOL, finally catch them. Politely request their details ..... only to find they'd caught a couple of civvies!
Personally? I never really fancied being chased by a van load of rather fit and muscled, probably wound up, young servicemen on a mission! Thankfully, I never really gave the impression of being the type you'd have sought either.
80 / 90's? Last time I saw them too. (I don't miss them!) Believe me, Smokey; The " Mean Streets " you patrolled were a pale reflection on the place it used to be! Even in my own life time. Portsea, even less that half a century back, really was " The 'Hood " (as todays 'Gangsta' youth would know it).
If your people hailed from there, or lived there, ye have my good eye ;) I'll try to dig out what ever I can to give ye a flavour of the area.
Incidentally; Last I heard of it ~ mid 90's? ~ it'd become part of one of these 'Urban Regeneration' schemes. People I spoke to were actually Proud to say they lived there. In nice, bijou places with Chaffinches in their gardens! Fair play to them.
Anyway, I really must pass out shortly. To save our reminiscing clogging up this entire thread, please do feel free to PM me about " Portsea ". Maybe we can compare notes about Family History there? I certainly now feel I can offer ye a better, 'historic' idea of the area anyway.
Let's see what we can do :)
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Hi Steve many thank for your pics of St Bartholomew can I be a pain and see if you can dig up St Johns, in Portsea?? - My GGgrandmother was born at sea but baptised in St Johns!! Many thanks
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Genuisscuffy, ye've got me off balance here!
I checked my files and find I have James, Joseph and Jude. No John.
Finding that a bit odd, I wondered if it was the C of E place. But, no; That's Tom a'Beckett. Hmm .....
So, off to Google I went, just to see if I could find out more: They seem to reckon " St. Johns " is the RC Cathedral? That the one ye thinking of? Only, I can't see any others, at a quick look.
Here ye go:
Google Images. (http://www.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&q=st%20john%27s%20church%20portsmouth&um=1&ie=UTF-8&source=og&sa=N&tab=wi&biw=1024&bih=578)
Shots 3,4 & 5 are the RCC.
If that's the one ye after? I have half a dozen other, older shots of it. Let me know :)
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Hi, my great great great grandparents were married in St Mary's Portsea in 1803, I thought the church had gone but Google Streetview seems to show something - difficult to see through the trees. Might you have any photos of it please?
Thanks in advance
Regards, Heather
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;D Heather; I think ye've just made my day! Because, nothing makes me happier than pulling the impossible out of the hat.
I've just checked my files and guess what? I've only got a picture here of the St. Mary's they'd have been married in! Pulled down in 1843. The whacking great place that exists today is nothing like the one they'd have known.
I understand there's been a church 'on this site' since Saxon times, actually. But, I have a picture of the one ye want :)
PM me an addy and I'll mail it straight over to ye.
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Ah that makes sense! I knew I did some research into it and thought it had been demolished but when I saw it on Streetview I thought I was getting confused. I was just about to log off and get some zzzs but I've sent you a pm with my email addy - now the dilemma do I wait to see it tonight or save it for the morning :-\
Thanks very much :)
Heather
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Ye should be looking at them just about as I hit 'Post' on this one ;)
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Sleepiness got the better of me and I didn't see the pics til this morning. Many thanks for sending them Steve, they're great and will make a nice addition to my records ;D
Kind regards, Heather
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Hi Steve, bit of a long shot but I wondered if you have any photos relevant to the salt industry in Fawley or South Hayling? It turns out two of my ancestors were Salt Officers (in the late 1700s so well before photography!) but I'd be very interested in seeing any shots that might exist of the works/salt pans etc if you have them please.
Thanks and happy new year!
Heather
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Sorry, Heather; None of the stuff I have touches on Hayling :-\
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Hi Steve,
For starters my great great grandparents were living at 4 Norfolk Square, Portsea in 1881 - have you any shots of that?
Regards,
Phil
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OK Steve, thanks for the reply - was worth asking :)
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For starters my great great grandparents were living at 4 Norfolk Square, Portsea in 1881 - have you any shots of that?
Nothing specifically featuring that address, Phil'. But, I probably have some stuff giving a taste of the area. I know I have quite a lot of Queen St and the Hard, eg. Any good to ye?
Of course, dating the older stuff's a bit of a crap shoot. I'm sure our detective section could work most of it out. I just don't want to be flooding their board with pic's on spec' :)
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OK Steve, thanks for the reply - was worth asking :)
Indeed. Always worth asking. No way I can catalogue / list the eclectic load of stuff I have here. But, I'll always take a look through, if I'm not Certain I don't have an image.
I suspect Hayling's out the window, by the way, because people couldn't walk there. This, I think, is why I have a lot of stuff from Southsea Beach to 'the back of the hill'. But, Hayling? Would've been a bit of a trek, humping one of those big, old cameras.
I do have a folder of aerial shots, some of which might clip Hayling. Only, I wouldn't know a Salt Pan if I saw one. And these are, obviously, later stuff.
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Hi Steve,
Do you have any photos of St Mary's Church from around 1829 - 1870? Have recently visited St Mary's but see from the history the church standing today is a different one to when my ancestors got baptised or married there.
Also St Mark's Church, North End from 1890?
Also, do you have any photos of old pubs?
Many thanks
Lisa Gardner
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Lisa; I've got some cracking stuff on St. Mary's :) I've got one or two of the old St. Marks too ~ Churches are a bit of a strong point in my collection.
Old pubs? I believe I have a few. Don't necessarily know where they stood though. There's a site dedicated completely to Portsmouth Pubs. Google that and it'll come up. I don't know if I have anything that guy hasn't got. Then there's Steven Pomeroy .....
Anyway, PM me an addy and I'll shoot ye over the churches ;)
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Hello SteveG,
I have been a member of Ancestry for yonks and have just found your thread. It's a long shot but:
In 1861 my ancestor was a 'licensed victualler, at the 'Three Guns', 72, St. George Street, Portsea.
I had this from a Stephen Pomery; historian ages ago: "The Three Guns was a tied public house to Pike Spicer Brewery until it was bombed in 1940."
If you have a picture of same, I would be very grateful.
Anna Slipper
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:( Sorry, Anna. I don't appear to have. Frustrating thing is though, I have dozens of pubs here which simply came with no name.
I've spent hours ~ and almost gone blind ~ peering at these shots. Trying to work out what an out of focus sign says. Even trying to figure out the location, from long ago memory, and see if I can remember the place and put a name to it myself.
Many I've managed. But, I still have as many again ~ some of the most fantastic old pubs. People in really old style clothes. Not a bloody clue where they are! :-\
But, no. I've just stared at them all again, trying to see " 3 Guns " in anything. Can't see it. Sorry :(
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Hi Steve,
ill pm you.
Have you got any photos of Dairyman's Arms - Stamshaw Lane or Newtown Tavern - Commercial Road.
Thanks
Lisa
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Have you got streets too?
thanks
lisa
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;D ;D ;D Lisa; Ye've just made my day! " Dairymans? " I thought. " No hope! " Dutifully cracked my way back into my folders and had a look. Ye don't wanna Know what I blurted out when I found the Gorgeous photo I'm about to send ye! ;D
Sadly, no Newtown. But, this is why I like people to keep asking and I keep looking. I may blow out a dozen times. But, get someone that impossible shot? Bloody priceless! ;)
Streets? I do have streets. But, work it out; How many streets / roads in Pompey? Ye can but ask ~ 99% of the time though I won't have anything. Why? Because few people went round taking shots of just any old road.
Queen St, Commercial Rd, Palmerston Rd? Places like that? Sure. But, Pitcroft Rd? No chance. People simply didn't photograph ordinary, residential streets :(
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Thanks Steve. Very many thanks for trying.
Anna
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thats fantastic. Look foward to seeing photos.
My partner and I came to Portsmouth a couple of weeks ago. We took a photo of where Dairyman's Arms use to be.
Well, like you say, there are alot of streets. ill have to write them all down and send them to you at a later date.
Thanks.
Lisa
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Hi Steve,
Have you thought about posting some of the pubs you can't identify on the Deciphering and Recognition board? Rootschatters love a puzzle and have managed to find many a mystery location, let 'em loose on some of your unidentifiables ;)
Heather
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Could be worth a crack, Heather. It'd need people with Pompey roots, obviously. But, a few of them might be recognisable.
Actually, one I have is a modern shot of a very distinctive pub in Cosham. I well remember having a pint there one day. But, can I remember the name of the damn place?! :-\ Driving me up the wall it is!
All set for a bit of a busy day today. But, I'll have to look into this. May even run down that 'Pompey Pubs' guy and ask him to have a look at them. Awful waste, having so many pubs of no use to anyone.
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Hi Steve
Portsea....Ummm. I think my husbands family had some sort of magnetism to Portsea. Those that were born there moved away and those that weren't moved there!
St Mary's and St Thomas' were the favoured churches but looking at the addresses almost anywhere seems to have had someone living there!
I have only looked about a quarter of the way down my address list and I've come up with 14 different Portsea Streets. I wouldn't dream of asking you to look for all these but an early pictures of either of the churches would be very welcome.
Reading your description of life in Portsea perhaps explains why we had some real characters in the family ;D
Jo
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Jocie; I'm just geeing up to shoot off out the door. But, St. Mary's I can do. Tom's? Ye mean Thomas A'Becket ~ Portsea C of E Cathedral? (Mary's is CoE, so I'd guess so) Anyway, yeppers, some good shots of both.
I can also do ye some Queen St and round about the Hard stuff. Give ye a taste of the area.
PM me an addy and I'll get onto it this evening ;)
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Thanks Steve
I'm off out as well but I'll PM you a list of addresses later in case any of them sound familiar.
Many Thanks
Jo
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Hi Steve
That pub in Cosham that's driving you mad ... have you tried looking on Google streetview to see if you can find it? If it's very distinctive I'm sure someone here could name it if you posted the photo :)
Heather
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Hiya Steve..being a pompey lad myself although no longer living there....i can think of three pubs in Cosham on the high street....The Swan..a large pub on the corner of the main road..The Railway down near the railway gates/station and The First Post(Wetherspoons)..jog any memories.
Pompeyboy
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Jocie; Just replied to ye PM ;)
Heather; My 'connection' is so vile I couldn't possibly function on anything like GSV. Unfortunately, regards the photo I have; It's a modern one and I have no copyright on it. I thus don't wish to cause a stink by publishing it on here.
Pompeyboy; Oi, Oi!!! ;D Since ye know the pubs on the High St, ye may well know this one too. It's east of the High St. I think it could be down Knowlesley Rd? (Could be " The Knowlesley ", for all I know?)
Big, red brick, pointy topped place. Set back in its own bit of tarmac. Sort of on the border lands of East Cosham and Drayton.
If ye reckon it would help, I could PM ye this shot I have. Driving me up the wall it is, because I very much remember drinking in there one time. I had something of a health scare while there (Nothing what so ever to do with the pub!) and so it's stuck in my mind.
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PM me the pic if you like and I'll have a look on GSV :) tho it's really my bedtime but can have a quick look
Heather
p.s. from your description, it seems to be called The Salisbury in Lonsdale Avenue ... see http://www.cylex-uk.co.uk/company/the-salisbury-13208857.html There's a small photo on that page.
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Thanks, Heather. But, let's leave it till 'tomorrow'. Only, I'm up to my neck here just now and messing about going into my files for the shot, then up loading it to PB, to send to you ~ as ye wait, and wait ..... and wait ..... just to then go searching about .....
Get some kip, love. I'll plough on with the stuff I have to deal with. Then I'll get some too. I'll upload the shot some time shortly. Then I can PM it about ;)
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Lol I will, but take a look at the link above, see if the pic on there looks familiar ;D
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p.s. from your description, it seems to be called The Salisbury in Lonsdale Avenue ... see http://www.cylex-uk.co.uk/company/the-salisbury-13208857.html There's a small photo on that page.
Heather..think you have hit the nail on the head with that answer ;)
Steve
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Hi ,
I don't suppose you have anything around 73 Lucknow Street, Fratton, Portsea Island or 22 Hunts Road, my 3x great grandfather was in the Navy serving on the Victory in 1853 then in later life became a coastguard, he lived there for a while.
He died in 1880 so it is probably asking too much!
Thanks
Crystal :D
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Crystal; Isn't Lucknow St just on the left, as ye look down from Fratton Bridge, facing north? If so, ye in a bit of luck as I definitely have views of that aspect. Not sure wether the corner / opening of Lucknow St will be in view. But, it'll certainly show what he knew as his corner, as it were.
" 3xGreat Grand " ? Not sure what era that gives us. But, I'll see what I have. It'd be trams rather than buses, that's for sure. I sincerely hope to be able to throw something up. I have a strong hunch I have some archaic stuff from the bridge.
Usual procedure then; Please PM me an addy I can send any material to. It'll come from Yahoo and probably be a Zip.
As I type, I'm in my folders, digging out a ton of stuff for someone who wants a range of scenes I happen to have well covered. They've got really lucky! ;D It'll take me a while yet to sort the rest. Then it'll take me ages to load / send it to them. Expect to hear from me by early evening then ;)
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Hi Steve,
Have been forwarded to this Thread - wonder if you have anything for Havant Street - just behind The Hard. I also had ancestors on the streets immediately behind it - Bishop Street, Southampton Row etc etc.
Would be much appreciated if you have anything on Havant Street - and I can put up details of other streets as well.
Thanks greatly in advance.
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SCH; I'm afraid that, as most of my stuff is from the days before digital cameras and Google Street View, there simply weren't that many people running around taking (what would have amounted to very expensive) shots of back streets :( Wish they had
Thus I can do ye plenty of the main Dock yard gate. The Hard. Queen St. All the surrounding, 'more important' features of the area, see? But ordinary streets and roads? Probably lucky if I have half a dozen of such.
So, I can show ye a 'feel' for how it looked in the old days, if that's any good to ye? But, the only roads anyone seemed interested in recording were the main thoroughfares.
Interestingly; I can't help noticing how, while I have these main roads, churches, cinemas, god knows what else ..... I have no schools! Now, wouldn't ye think they would be something people would have recorded ??? Strange.
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Hi Steve
Interesting thread about Portsmouth. I have lived here since about the age of 5 so know a bit lol
The Pub in Cosham could well have been the Red Lion ... still there and is the largest Pub in Cosham
Regards.
I think I have Photos somewhere
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Pamela; I did a few years there myself ;)
No. It's not the Red Lion ~ now ye mention it; I don't believe I have a half decent shot of that place. Have ye got a digital camera ....? Be good to add one to my files :)
No. This damned infernal pub that's so bugging me: I think it might be down that road " The Rocket " is on the corner of. Knowlesley Rd is stuck in my head. I remember it's in that very close region.
South East side of the High St. Over towards Drayton. Pub stands on a corner, set back, to the south east, into its own parking tarmac. Big, red brick place.
Beam me over there and I could take ye pretty much straight to it. Just a swine to try and remember from so long ago :-\
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Try putting 'Pubs in Portsmouth' in your search engine; loads come up, you might be lucky.
Anna
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Thanks, AnnaS. There's actually an entire site out there ~ very good one too ~ completely dedicated to Pompey Pubs. Past and present.
And there in lies the bug bear; Have ye any Idea how many pub's Pompey has known? Must be Thousands of them :o
So, with my pathetically slow 'connection', searching for my needle in that haystack becomes a bit of a non starter :-\
I think, like " Rosebud ", my dying words will be, " That bloody pub ....! " ;D
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Hi
I was wondering if you had any pictures of the Brickwood's Brewery that was on Queen St or pics of Queen St itself. I've found a few pics of Queen St on the web but alas, none of the brewery. I live on what is now the brewery so would dearly love some pics.
Regards, Kim :)
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We have just come back from visiting B & Q in Fratton, and there are still loads of pubs in Portsmouth and its environs. 'The Good Companion' just outside the football ground at the end of Eastern Road, is still there. It has been there yonks. It was certainly there when I went to football matches with my dad in the 50's.
Anna
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Oh and that pub you were thinking of isn't The Salisbury is it? Large red brick pub set back from the junction where Knowlesly, Lonsdale and Salisbury Roads meet. :)
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Kim; I've got the top end of Queen St (as far as I remember) but, I believe it's facing the wrong way for the brewery.
Tell ye what; Google that 'Portsmouth Pubs' site and ask that chap. He might have a shot of it. Pretty much bound to have the pub that fronted it.
If not, get back to me about it and I'll put ye onto one or two other Local Historians <--- Just to clarify; I'm neither a Historian, nor am I very local any more. Didn't want to give the impression I considered myself worthy of that title. I'm just a bloke who bought a CD of photo's off the Bay ;)
:o :o :o Oh, Kim; I Love Ye!!! Just seen ye other post! That's the place! ;D God almighty; Put a gun to my head and I'd never in a hundred years have come up with the Salisbury!
Thankyou! I'll sleep better tonight ;D
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Ha ha ha ha glad to help!!
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Ahem scuse me, I said that a couple of weeks back! :o :P ;D
PM me the pic if you like and I'll have a look on GSV :) tho it's really my bedtime but can have a quick look
Heather
p.s. from your description, it seems to be called The Salisbury in Lonsdale Avenue ... see http://www.cylex-uk.co.uk/company/the-salisbury-13208857.html There's a small photo on that page.
Glad the answer is found ;)
Heather
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And i seconded it ::) ;) ;D
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(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n201/ptpc/wallbash.gif) Heather, I'm So sorry. How I missed ye post I'll never know.
Listen; If it's any consolation to ye? I love you too ;) And, jeez; That little street map they show there? The memories! I used to live in Chatsworth Ave one time! I've been talking ~ elsewhere, today ~ about a Blue Tit nest box I put up there! ;D Talk about a small world .....
Er ..... Pompey Boy ....? Ye post's just come through. * Cough *. Ummm ..... Right. " Cheers, mate! " (In a manly tone.
Slopes off to get his dinner on ..... (http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n201/ptpc/412e026e.gif))
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Thank you for the seconding Pompeyboy :D and I forgive you Steve :D could hardly do otherwise since you furnished two pictures of St Mary's for me a while back. ;D
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Steve...enjoy your dinner...Heather please forgive me but only just got back on RC after 18 months or so..remind me what was that i did for you about St Mary's ???
Steve
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This is getting confusing with you both called Steve, at least one of you will have to change your name :P
Pompeyboy it was SteveG who sent me a couple of pictures of the old St Mary's church - on page 2 of this thread ;D
I should have punctuated better or called him SteveG to avoid confusion, apologies ;)
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;D ;D ;D no probs 8)
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Thanks for the advice re Brickwoods. The Portsmouth Pubs chap came up trumps and I now have the image of the building that predates where I live. Very happy! :D
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Excellent! Always good to see a result (http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n201/ptpc/thgrinning-smiley-003.gif)
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Hi Steve
I came across this chat while doing a google for St Mary's Portsea and noted that you have a photo of the old church. My GGG grand parents were married there and would love a photo if possible.
Looking for Voak and Deasy.
Kind regards Lorraine
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Lorraine; Being as I don't know if ye sixteen, or sixty? I have no way of judging how long ago ye GGG Grand parents may have been married there ;)
But, I'll tell ye one thing: I reckon St Mary's must be The Most asked for image I ever get asked for. And I reckon I can probably rustle up a shot from just about any period ye could reasonably ask :)
Figure me out a date ~ anything from the century to the decade. I'll dig up the nearest images I have for ye. (http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n201/ptpc/thgrinning-smiley-003.gif)
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Sorry was getting a bit carried away. They were married in 1784. I have only just started putting this family onto the computer so my great's could be a few short.
Cheers
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OK, Lorraine; That sounds like the time when the church was truly amazing looking. Because it was barely more than the sort of place I live in now.
See it today? Ye'd know what I'm saying! :o
Now then: I need an e mail addy to send the image to. That means ye have to PM me some Yahoo / Hotmail addy. K?
Only, this place insists that a new member make so many posts before they can use the PM function. It's a security feature. Saves us all being Spammed to hell ;)
So: Please PM me an addy I can send a jpg to. If it doesn't let ye? Post on here and ask me something else about this ball park subject. Couple of such posts and ye PM facility should be open.
Hey! Did ye know there used to be a duck pond beside St Mary's?! (Hint: Answer Yes or No. Then try to PM me ;D)
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;D No I didn't know there was a duck pond. I wonder how many kids all dressed up in their Sunday best went swimming in it? What is a PM?
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" PM " is a Private Message. Click on my name " Steve G ", upper left there. That brings up my Profile.
Scroll down past all the drivel and it says, " Additional Information: ".
Beneath that, once ye get the few or so posts up, it'll say:
" Send this RootsChatter a personal message. ".
Once that appears, in blue, we're ready to rock. Click it and send me that addy :)
As a matter of fact, there Was a duck pond at St Mary's. Guess which side .....
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Check ye e mail 8)
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Hi Steve,
bit of a long shot, but I just wondered if you have a photo of the Lieutenant Governor's House, later renamed Admiralty House? It was originally the Commissioners residence and was situated in the High Street, Old Portsmouth opposite the George Hotel. It is not the one that was attached to the garrison church.
Denise
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Interesting one, Denise. I have two huge folders of that area. I'm just combing through them now. Bit of a swine that I don't actually know what this place should look like :-\
Wouldn't be " Government House ", would it? Only I've just found an image of that place. Though it looks wrongly situated to have been across from the hotel.
I know there's also another " ..... House " I certainly have shots of. Can't remember what that one's called now.
Bear with me. I have a pretty huge collection of images to filter here. Typically, this appears to be a Folder I've never gotten round to even attempting to catalogue yet ::)
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I think Government House is the one attached to the Garrison church.
You are so good to spend your time doing this.
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It was later used as the headquarters for the Electric Co. Actually a 'series of buildings, the main house being a rather grand, ornate structure behind iron railings' (taken from the history in Portsmouth website).
No idea if that helps or not! ???
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Railings is good :) Now I can stop squinting at so many shots and just concentrate on places with railings.
Good? Me? It's fun, to be honest. I get to look at some really mental images! Just seen a lady walking down Pompey High St, or somewhere, with a Bustle! And as for what I can only imagine was once the Gosport Ferry?! :o
Incidentally; Yeppers. " Government House " was indeed attached to the Garrison Chapel. The other place I had in mind was " Buckingham House ". Bugger :(
Never mind. I'm still looking. Loads to go yet and those railings will help. I have a great shot of the hotel ~ if only the doughnut had swung round and snapped the other side of the road!
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Maybe i should pop round sometime and have a squiz myself as I know what I'm looking for? ;D
I did think it would be a long shot, but deffo worth a try. If you do track one down you'll be worth your weight in gold. Worth it but unlikely to get it! ;)
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:( Gutted! Don't appear to have one. Sorry.
I do have a shot of St Georges Square. Some railinged buildings showing on the corner there. But, they're pretty uniform, so that wouldn't be it.
As a last ditch effort, ye might try Stephen Pomeroy. He has photo's I don't. Maybe e mail him and enquire directly? There's some brilliant Local Historians in Pompey. Stephen's one.
His photo's are Here. (http://www.facebook.com/album.php?page=1&aid=127188&l=2b18e463a3&id=1108188114)
Regards popping round for a look through all this stuff? If only! I'd Love someone in Pompey to sort through some of this gear, with a more familiar eye. Ye'd be bound to recognise places I've forgotten the identity of.
Unfortunately, if ye are in Pompey? Popping to my place might prove a bit hectic. I'm now in Co. Leitrim, Eire! ;D
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Oh well thankee kindly, kind sir for the effort.
Yeah popping round may be a trifle difficult if you're not actually in Pompey :P
Best wishes, D
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Hi,
Just found your posting, I'm trying to get as much information as I can regarding my GGG Grandfather Lawrence Ellison who was in the 59th Regiment of Foot, posted at Portsmouth for a number of years, from around 1834 through until 1845 when he died at the Garrison Hospital, Portsmouth.
If you've got any old photographs of around the area where he would have been, that you could share with me, would really appreciate that.
janjim
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JanJim; Forgive me. It's 'Late', where I'm coming from .....
But, I believe ye talking about a place I have shots of ;) Military Hospital. Cosham. North of Portsmouth? Since known as Queen Alexandra's?
Please shoot me a line, just to remind me of this. I'll see what I have.
Looks like a file that could use narrowing down .....
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Steve,
Sorry so late for you, I'm in Australia, just when you've got time, would really appreciate that.
Thank you so much for replying.
Yes, I know the posting is quite old, but just came upon this, really keen to find more info on this fellow.
jan
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Okay, Jan, now that I'm a little fresher, I've been digging about a bit. Looks like it wouldn't have been the military hospital, on the hill above Portsmouth. Instead, it was a far smaller and long gone place down at Portsea.
Strange, that. Why would they have a whack off great Military Hospital at one end of the town. Then go build an inferior and poky little place down the other end?
Anyway, just so ye can provide yeself with a reference to the fact that this was so; Here's a link to a mention of the latter:
http://books.google.ie/books?id=_PUSAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA212&dq=%22milldam+hospital%22&lr=&as_drrb_is=q&as_minm_is=0&as_miny_is=&as_maxm_is=0&as_maxy_is=&as_brr=3&as_pt=ALLTYPES&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
Dug that out of The Great War Forum.
Of course, this now leaves us with the problem that I have nothing in particular to focus on. Had it been the QA / Military Hospital? I have many excellent shots of it. However, the Garrison and its hospital? Razed long ago, I shouldn't wonder. And no photographic records that I've ever come across.
I do have shots of the Garrison Church, however. That's a start. Perhaps if I sort of centre myself there and go walk about. I'll try to find 'period' stuff showing the scenery he might have been familiar with. How's that sound?
If ye could PM me an email addy I can send a Zip Folder to. O'll blast some stuff over as soon as I have it together.
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Hi Steve,
Great to hear back from you, I will PM you now. Look forward to receiving a photo of the Garrison Church anyway.
Our Lawrence Ellison has been a bit of a mystery man, he was living in Manchester around 1830, and it seems after joining the 59th Regiment, he took his wife to Portsmouth around 1836, where he had another daughter, and later it seems his wife Judith was working in the Manchester Poorhouse by 1841 census. He had been posted over to the West Indies for about 4 years and then returned to Portsmouth late 1844.
Lawrence Ellison died at the Hospital aged 46 years from TB in June 1845. Have not been able to find where he was buried, wondering if you would know of the nearby cemetery attached to the Garrison. Would really love to know more about the man.
Wondering if you have any access to Parish Records to confirm more on his family at the time of his death. We've not been able to find his daughter Maria's marriage or death, so we've hit a blank properly lately. Probably need to see the Muster Records, if that's possible.
jan
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OK, Jan. I've just launched off a zipped folder with enough images in it to keep you busy till ye eyes bleed. Like I say in the attached mail; If any of them leave ye blank? Just return those ones and ask me what I reckon. Give their numbers. I'll go back into their original folders and revise them.
This is because, like, you asked for the area around the Garrison? I've sat here, clicking through Hundreds of random images of that part of Portsmouth. I've simply dragged what ever caught my eye into a separate folder. That's generally how I do it.
The images I have were all, originally, filed by their collector. Guy I bought them off. God knows what his system was. But, it was numeric. I'm gradually breaking them down into smaller and smaller districts / subjects. Shoving each into dedicated folders. And I label any I can recognise.
But, it's a lifes work yet. And I wanted to get a move on with your stuff. Thus I've sent a lot of un labelled stuff. Any of it ye can't work out? Ask ;)
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Hi Steve. My great x3 grandfather was married at St Thomas Church in Portsmouth in 1843. Do you have a photo of it please? Also any general shots in that era as I believe he grew up in Portsmouth. I am twiddling my thumbs waiting for the wedding certificate to come from England to find out further information. How I wish they would just email it! Thanking you in advance
Tiki from sunny but cold Australia
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Hi Tiki.
You are right, it is quite cold here in Australia.
I managed to get some photos of St. thomas Church by googling, but mostly photos of latter days,
maybe Steve might be able to find some of that era in 1843.
jan
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Tiki; I've got a folder full of shots of that church! ;D PM me an addy and I'll shoot them through this evening ~ only, I'm just off out now.
Now; Fact that they married there, and not St Marys, suggests they were from the Portsea end of town? So, yes, I can sort out some 'period' shots of the area they'd have been familiar with too.
This'll be an easy one ;)
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Steve,
I wouldn't mind a photo or two as well, have just found out that our Lawrence Ellison was buried at the Cathedral. It would be great to have one for around that era.
Not sure if you've still got my address
Cheers Jan
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Shoot me the addy again, Jan. I might be able to sort ye out before I leave ;)
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Hi Steve:
I wonder if you have any pictures of Kingston Crescent (not Road) in your collection? The older the better! Chances are that, as it was a largely residential street in the 1800s, it wouldn't have attracted a photographer - but I keep looking, hoping to find an image of the properties (now long-gone) where my gt-gt-grandparents and gt-grandmother were in service.
Thanks
Rachel
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Sometime when you have a moment (no rush at all but thought I'd ask while this thread had cropped up again), would you have a look for any images of the houses in St George's Square please?
I recently found a couple of fascinating advertisements regarding the auction of my Great x 4 Grandparents' household effects and house in 1821 just before they moved to London. Now I know this is pre-photography but the house sounds relatively grand and may well have stood for a long while after. Here's some of the description that might help:
"All that well-built DWELLING HOUSE and PREMISES, situate on the south side and principal part of St George’s-square, being no. 49, the back fronting into Britain-st. and comprises in the basement two large cellars, and a rain water tank; on the ground floor two parlours, with a hall leading into a large commodious kitchen, and a yard, with a scullery; on the first floor a capital drawing room, two chambers, and large sitting room, with a bow window; and three bed rooms in the attic (the front parlour, drawing room, and front attic, have bow windows), in perfect repair, and replete with fixtures; is well calculated for a large respectable family, or a lodging house. Also together with a TENEMENT adjoining in Britain-street, in the occupation of Mr. Crips. "
The three bow windows one atop the other might be quite distinctive perhaps? ???
The detail in this description and that of the contents is delicious, but an image would be the absolute icing on the cake ;D
Many thanks for reading
Heather :)
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Thank you Steve, you are a very generous person. They are magnificent and will add to the colour of my family story!
Thanks again ;D
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Rachel; I'm absolutely gutted to have to say that I know I haven't :( I'd know because I'm intimately familiar with Kingston Crescent. If I could let ye inside my own head? I could give ye a virtual tour of the place!
Nope. Just tried to pull a crafty there. Checked my pubs. I've got one of the Admirals Head, in KC. But it just has a couple of house fronts dimly showing in the background.
Come out of Pitcroft Lane though. Turn right. There's a few houses there which probably hadn't been changed since they were built! Amazing looking structures! Weird sort of balcony things on them.
Across the road was a big, empty house. All the houses were big! Had to have had money to be there, originally.
Chapmans Laundry, down the east end. Modern Police Station plonked in the middle, on the north side. Laundry's gone now. Luxury hotel or something. For the continental ferry port across the road.
My god, how that city's changed. Still a shi ..... :-X No. I mustn't start ranting about how I despise the place! ;D
Anyway, sorry I can't help ye out there. Ye might try Steven Pomeroy though? He has stuff I don't. I Think there might even have been a little book, touching on the area. Don't give up at me. I'm just one source. Keep digging ;)
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Heather; I've got a period photo of St Georges Square here. Complete with ladies wearing ..... well, I don't know what ye'd call it. Looks pretty Dickensian though.
Unfortunately, the property ye talking of isn't showing in this corner. But, it certainly gives an impression of the grandeur of the place, at that time.
Here ye go. As it's just a single shot, I'll try to attach it to this. Ye can just copy it off then. If that doesn't work? PM me an addy.
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That's great Steve! Thank you very much, certainly gives a flavour of the area :) Seems our family were quite well to do at that point, where did it all go?! :-\
Very much appreciate your time finding that (and so quickly!)
Best wishes, Heather
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Figured it was a long shot! Thank you for your help. I know Kingston was originally a pretty "desirable" place to live - back when it was just developing from a village on the outskirts of the town. As far as I can see, apart from a couple of properties on the north side, nearly everything that would been built in that era has gone - that's why I'm hoping to find an old photo one day, to get a flavour of something that would have been recognisable to those who lived there in earlier times.
I'll keep looking!
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:o Old Mother Reilly; I'm shaking!!! I don't believe it! Never knowing when to give up, myself, I just Had To trawl through my pictures again .....
1908, Kingston Crescent!!! ;D I don't believe myself how good I am, sometimes! (http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n201/ptpc/rofl.gif)
It's Not an excellent, sharp shot. In fact, it's much better a shot of some wide road which appears to have been snowed on. Houses are just shadows. Though, it does illustrate the trees nicely. Wonder if they're still there?
Also, I have another shot here. I Think I recognise it as looking down from the North West corner. Ye can just make out " CHA " on the right place on what would be Chapmans laundry. Only, I can't reconcile there being shops on the North West corner. Come to that though; I can't really remember anything about that corner. This shot might have been before my time.
Fancy taking a look for yeself? PM me an addy. I'll have to send then this evening though as I really Must get out now.
Whoosh!!!
And; Zip!!! Back in here to edit the above post. Bloody North West corner, I was talking about! (http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n201/ptpc/wallbash.gif)
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Wow - well done, Steve - thank you very much for having another look! Have sent you a pm.
Rachel
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Steve,
Thanks so much, great to have these photos
jan
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Steve re your Kingston Crescent posts do these ring any bells..sorry they not that great pics but taken with a cheap mobile from my album..but you might recall these houses
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Steve re your Kingston Crescent posts do these ring any bells?
:o :o :o Blimey!!!!! I'm wiped out!!!
Come out of Pitcroft Lane though. Turn right. There's a few houses there which probably hadn't been changed since they were built! Amazing looking structures! Weird sort of balcony things on them.
Fantastic! ;D (http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n201/ptpc/eusa_clap.gif)
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Thought they'd be agreeable to you Steve 8)
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More Kingston Crescent pics - thank you Pompey Boy!
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Steve G..the Royal Dragoon pub(No 15) was about 4 doors up from Mills Road heading east toward London Road on the north side of Kingston Crescent..now you know where Mills Road is..that should help..the dentist i told you about was at No 25(in 1911 anyway)..hope that helps.
Steve
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The dentist i told you about was at No 25(in 1911 anyway)
Steve; I'm not That old!!! ;D
No, seriously, mate; All I can remember, now, is that damn Baltic House. Crazy thing is, I probably came round that corner, on the bus, half the days of my life. I must have sat there ~ top deck, smoking ~ and gazed straight through what ever was there, at that north western end. And now it's just a mental blank :(
Anyway, listen: I've just checked and now realise we're all starting to drift into reminiscences of Pompey. Fantastic fun and I'm sure we'll come up with stuff others will treasure. However, I see we're chatting under " Documents and Artefacts ". I'm sure this place has a spot for Portsmouth stuff?
Maybe a passing Mod' could do a discreet Crop and Shift job for us? See if anyone else picks up on our chat and joins in. Be excellent, wouldn't it? :)
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If not mate then we'll just keep on with the emails and maybe put up anything they may be of interest to anyone on here..i've loads of stories/memories of my youth in and around Kingston Crescent/Stamshaw/Rudmore areas,maybe if we check the old posts on Portsmouth we may be able to solve a few posts between us..i presume you got my emails today describing the Mills Road conundrum..if my mother is up that way i'll get her to take an up to date photo of the place..maybe jog your memory..till next email.
Steve
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Got your emails??? Steve, I've been sat here for an hour or two, yakkering my head off, in reply! And I'm barely warmed up yet! Dinner's on. If I'm still going when I've ate that and fetch the Dogs in? Start on the Jameson? Ye'd better have some Serious room in ye email, mate! (http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n201/ptpc/rofl.gif)
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Steve and Rachel..been checking some of my old pics and i think i made a bloomer on one of the photos i put up :-\..i think the top one is not of Kingston Crescent but it is Landport Terrace,Southsea..but i'm sure the other one is.Sorry for the confusion.
Steve
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??? You sure about that, mate? Remind me; Where's Landport Terrace? Only, I knew someone who lived in one of those terraces. Right next to the Horseshoe. North eastern side of the cross roads.
Might not have been the 'right' terrace, of course. But, I didn't feel the balcony was as low as in ye first photo there. But then, I'm not 100% that the three or four places on KC were 'identical' anyway.
Second one's KC alright. Came across it before, in passing. Before I appreciated it.
What we need is the Next Generation! Some bugger, in Pompey, ready to simply go about the place with a camera. Snapping the sort of stuff we're dealing with here. That said, of course, I obviously realise that wandering about, taking shots of peoples homes / streets / selves, in Pompey could well prove hazardous to ones health. Lovely place that it is ::)
Listen; How's your Mailer? Only, chatting with ye by email, it's obvious you're the real deal. I'm thinking: What if I email ye my complete set of folders? That way, you too could sit and study the whole lot. I'm certain ye'd spot and recognise stuff that's simply slipped by me.
Then, ye could tell me what ye've sussed and added to. And we could each hold a matched set of notes. Anything happens to either of us? All isn't suddenly lost :)
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Yep you got the area right if you followed Commercial Road and carried straight on through to Southsea you go through Landport Terrace on way.The pic in the book i have is the exact image virtually of my pic.
Next generation eh..what about the last generation..got my mum on the case so watch this space or your email box.
You can give the folder issue a go if you like :o dunno where it will end up but i'll give it a go.
Steve
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Landport Terrace ends at the Kings rd roundabout & thats where Hampshire Terrace starts.
My aunt & uncle had a shop in old Commercial rd near Sulton rd,it was called Sutton Stores,
my uncle also had haulage lorrys based in Regent st off of Commercial rd,called Sutton Transport,
i think.I was wondering if you had any photos of that area that might contain a glimpse of them.
I am also trying to find a photo of The Swan pub in Copnor rd pre 1970,my daughter lived in
the house next to the Swan,which was built on land that was an Italian stonemasons,the name
was something like Mancetti,we cant find any photos so hoping you may beable to help,thanks.
Natalie
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Dalkey; I've looked through my Commercial Rd folder. But, the obsession, back in the day, appears to have been with the Edinborough Rd end. So, whilst I could possibly pull ye something to match an era? I'm afraid I don't have anything more specific.
Regards the Copnor Rd " Swan "? I don't have anything on that one (Given Pompey must have contained about a million pubs in its day, it's not surprising that no one photographed every one of them).
However, Portsmouth Pubs (http://www.portsmouthpubs.org.uk/closedpubs4.html) has a shot of the place. Can't have changed much since the pre 70's. Though, the place just touched on, to the south, looks like it might be newer. And I dare say ye'd have found this site / shot already.
Sorry I can't help here. It's the blow outs that make the bulls eyes so mind bendingly rewarding though.
Remember also, local historian, Steven Pomeroy has a collection of shots too. Google him. Then, if ye in the area, I'm sure the Central Library and City Records Office hold stuff. And, don't forget Winchester ..... No telling what's out there, somewhere ;)
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Thanks Steve,have been to the records office & they have nothing & not able to get out to Winchester,thanks for your help.
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Hi steve let me know if you know of any photos of a lukeis family, elizabeth both mother & child lived there
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Hi Steve
I'm also from New Zealand and was thrilled to see your thread is still active!
My Great Great Grandparents married in the old church of St James, Milton Road, Southsea in 1870.
Any chance you have a photograph or picture please? :P
Thank you.
Kind regards and God bless you,
Lynne x
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A lukeis family, elizabeth both mother & child lived there
??? If ye could possibly explain what a " lukeis family " was, please ....?
Unless ye actually mean a family of people? In which case, I'm afraid that's completely beyond my scope. I only have pictures of places.
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Lynne; I'm thrilled to be able to tell ye I have indeed got shots of St James' Church in Milton! ;D
PM me an email addy I can send pictures to .....
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Hi Steve
Pictures received. :D
Thank you and God bless you,
Lynne x
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Hi Steve. It's me again. I have managed to track part of the family so... Do you have any photos of Barrack Row or the Longstore Barracks? In the 1843 era or drawings of them? Any help again would be greatly appreciated.
Thanks again
Leanne
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Ooohh, Tiki, That's interesting! That's gonna be a real chewy one!
See; I have shed loads of military sort of stuff. Lot of it around Portsmouth, of course. Only thing is; I've never even heard of those places. I have no idea where they were or what they looked like. Now, I'm gonna have to try and find out, so I might better spot any images I have of them.
See? Something to get my (purely metaphorical, these days) teeth into. If ye got any leaders for me? Let me know. Sooner I can pin point the places, sooner I can start searching my endless files ;)
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Hi Steve. According to the lady at the Portsmouth Historical Centre it is a street close to St Thomas Church in what is now known as Old Portsmouth. Sorry I can't be of any more help. I have tried to google it to no avail. I will keep trying and will forward what I find if any!
Tiki
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Portsmouth (C of E) Cathedral, that is. I have loads of shots of St. Tom's. And the barracks were near by, yes. They had the garrison church there.
Listen, I know I have shots of something around that very area. Let me just let the Dogs out and make a brew. I'll go into my files and see what I can find. I can almost see this material in my minds eye .....
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According to "A History of Places and People in Portsmouth with an Index to Streets" 2011 Portsmouth City Library, it runs from Clive Road. By 1861 it was known as King William Place. In Pigots Directory of 1830 it " was a place of unenviable notoriety".
Catherine stayed here and then married Robert and I presume lived in the soldiers area before being posted around the UK and eventually to India.
Well it's late in Australia and I will check in tomorrow morning! Thanks Steve
Tiki
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:( Bummer, I'm afraid, Tiki. I've scoured my Old Portsmouth stuff. Images. Maps. Everything I have to hand. Can't even find King William Place on the 1896 OS.
Portsmouth Central Library holds many old OS maps. It even has a dedicated Portsmouth Room, as I remember. Have ye tried them?
See, as far as I've got here; The Longstore location is simply lost to us. I've studied arial shots of the area we'd be talking. And, as far back as they could get such a shot ~ or from ground shots of other features around there? Waste ground.
Ye have to realise, see; Many of these " Barracks " were actually little more than rat and disease infested shanty towns. They were razed as 'real' places became available.
I saw a mention of Clarence Barracks bordering KWP? Great, I thought. Search for an image of that then. Found " The New Clarence Barracks " See? And that place looked 1800's! The original CB then was probably, as I say, little more than a shanty. And who would want to preserve images of That sort of thing?
Rather pathetic little 'best I can do' is a monotone water colour (Eh?! (http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n201/ptpc/wallbash.gif)) It depicts a scene of some 'period' looking soldiers, doing something and incorporating a distant view of the area in question.
But, all it really gives us is a piece of the church and the roof tops around it. One of those roof tops might have been the barracks ..... :-\ Naah. Bit bloody tenuous, isn't it?
I've got my partner in crime, " Pompey Boy " on this case too. But, having read ye initial posting on here, he's come to me with, like; " :o WTF?! Where?!? ". Somewhere vaguely to the south of the church would now be my own, better educated than this morning, guess. But, yeah; Slum land, in those days. Hardly an inspiration to artists then.
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Thank you for trying! It was a longshot and I wasn't sure if they would be proper barracks or the shanty town you suggested. Enjoy tor day and thanks again. Your old St Thomas photos are magnificent in my family tree.
Tiki
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Tiki..first of all the only Clive Road i know of in Portsmouth is in the Fratton area which is nowhere near St Thoms relatively speaking...secondly you mentioned Barrack Row..now as you are looking around the St Thomas locality could you possibly be getting confused (not on purpose of course ;)) with Battery Row which is basically a five minute walk from St Toms located up by/near the Garrison Church already mentioned in this post.
Steve
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Steve; I couldn't work out that Clive Road bit either! Couldn't remember where it was, off hand. And I had quite enough on my mind without bothering about it.
Barrack Row, I worked out, was just to the south side of St Tom's. It ran down to where all the walls and stuff remain today. I'm not too good on Old Portsmouth ~ never liked the place, to be honest with ye. So, I can't remember enough to try and visualise where it would've been. I see the roof tops in that water painting though.
Steve, as an aside; Whet ye reckon on some of those images of " The old road into Portsmouth "? :o Makes ye think, when ye realise that Pompey was once the size of a football pitch and ye entered it over a bridge and under a tunnel!
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Steve...old road into Pompey...makes me yearn for a return to them thar days..well sometimes..nearest thing to open spaces are now ironically football pitches :)..excluding Farlington Marshes which we've discussed.
Well i can say that i'm beat on this one..unless Longstore etc are/were known by other names it doesn't ring anything with me...few of ye photos could be possibilities but no more than that.
I say i'm beat but then again i expect i/you will go on until some sort of answer is forthcoming...remember Black Patch and me..now that's confused some people....there are a lot of Long Barracks that crop up????
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Only hope anyone's got of getting any closer to the locations is old maps, mate. Pompey Central might have some. Trouble is, none of us is within range of there any more!
Very earliest references I can find all talk about the area being razed, donkeys ago. I once tried to find the barracks one of mine was in. Thus I've done all this before, see? Same result. I could only approximate the area :(
(Bloody hell! Got a Meadow Pipit sneaking about, right outside my window here!)
I'd think any records / maps the military might have had would also have long since been handed to the library / records office and quite possibly since lost. Unless Winchester holds anything? Don't know if Tiki could get onto them by email ....?
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Right are you ready...as far as i can see (Portsmouth encyclo)King William's Place ran S E from St Nicholas Street to the fortifications on the N E side..Clarence Barracks.
On S W side from N to S the Rose and Crown (St Nicholas Road corner) and Dukes Head Tavern W corner opposite fotifications.
King William Place was previously known as Barrack Row and is what is now on todays maps as possibly Peacock Lane off of Pembroke Road.
I think this is the right place as nearly opposite KWP there was a King William Gate which was demolished around 1860.
Now for a picture..thats the hard bit..i think i have one somewhere of Pembroke Road around mid - late 1800's..what about you Steve..must sign off for now.
Location cracked i knew we'd get there 8)
Steve
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Here we go..not very good pic i'm afraid..Pembroke Road looking toward High Street c 1870
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PompeyBoy and Steve you are both amazing! Thank you for helping me and countless others. Have a great week and a better weekend.
Tiki
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Hi there steve my x2 great grandmother was a nz lukeis by birth from what i know her family comes from st helston area of cornwall & the lukeis are a family i have found on ancestry people with the surname lukeis in russia, hungary , lithuania & wiltshire england from 1601 in england & thee 1900's for those europeans countries hopefully this will help
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Have you any old photo's of St. Mary's, Portsea? I have found new one's on the web, but if you have any older one's I would be most grateful if you could share one.
Anna
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Anna; I have a shed load of St Marys! ;D PM me an email addy and I'll shoot ye across a selection.
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hi if you have any of the turner clan of st mary's parish i would be very interested, thanks
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Sorry, MrNZ; I hold no pictures of people. Only places. And I can't, normally, provide individual streets either.
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hi thanks anyway steve
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i am wondering if you have any photos of land port st port sea number 12 I'm interested in. my ancestors lived there in late 1800s.
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hi i would think there should be they may come up in a simple google search
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There are a few sites about Portsmouth,they are
Do you remember in ...Portsmouth
Memories of bygone Portsmouth
Photos & memories of Portsmouth.
All are closed groups due to an ex member being a problem but would be OK to join.Everyone's very helpful & will do all they can to help.
Dalkey mc
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Hi, Would you have any images of the bombing at Garnier Street Portsmouth in March 1941? My grandmother and her brother were living at No.32 which was bombed, and unfortunately my uncle died the same day.
Also, anything of St Marys Church, Milton? My grandmother married there in 1942.
Many thanks,
Julie
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Julie; St Marys church, Milton? Bit of a stretch to put in Milton. Fratton, more like. Ye mean the big, c of e one? I'm guessing so. Because I know of no other St Marys churches.
Anyway, yes, I can do ye St Mary's all day long. Must have hundreds of images of it down the ages. I'll try to sort some which may closest match the period for ye. It changes quite a bit, see?
Garnier St? I can't even remember where that is now. I'm guessing my oppo, the other Steve, will be seeing this. He has a complete copy of my folders. And he did some truly monumental work helping put names to places. He'd know better where to look.
We do have some shots of razed places. I remember the fun we had, trying to figure them out! Definitely his stronger point though. If he doesn't pop up, I'll do my best. Can't promise anything though.
PM me an addy and I'll shoot the church shots over.
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Oops, sorry, meant to put St James Church, Milton ::) Too much information going round in my brain! ;D
Thanks for your help. Shall PM you my addy anyway in hope of anything popping up
Julie
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I'm so relieved I have St James' too! They'll be in ye email by now ;)
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;D Thank you so much, you're a superstar!
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Is there any chance of finding photos of 49 St George's Square, Portsea please? My ancestors moved from there to London in 1821 and there was a list of furniture and effects for sale published in the local paper at the time. It seems to have been a substantial house with bow window and I imagine similar to Pickwick House that is on the North west side of the square today. However the advertisement for sale of the property mentions an adjoining property in Britain Street so I guess no. 49 would have been on the south eastern side.
Yours hopefully, Heather :)
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:( Sorry, Heather. As I've pointed out many times in this thread; Coming up with numbers, even particular streets, is 99.9% impossible. So many of my images seem to hail from the days when a man would set up a heavy, wooden box camera on a tripod and expose a sheet of glass. Why would anyone do that, moving through Portsmouth, door to door?
Factor in the innate propensity for the good people of Portsmouth to emerge from their photographed homes, calling, " Oy! Whass yor f**king game?! ", and I wouldn't like to try it now either :-\
No. I do have the one image of St Georges Square. It features people in what I'd take to be Victorian era garb. Posh as hell back then, eh?
Absolutely no clue as to which aspect it portrays though. There's a hotel, on the left. What looks like possibly a church, or something, to the right background. In Sun St, it seems?
From ye post, it sounds as if ye in Portsmouth now? My Great Gran ~ that's her in my avatar ~ breathed her last in Sun St. As did her daughter, my Great Aunt Bec. Council flat though. Not a big, posh place. I believe that's next to SGS? Not been there myself in some, pushing forty years now.
Ye more than welcome to this shot. If ye feel it may lend a better feeling for those times. PM me an addy, if so.
I can also, doubtless, dig out plenty of other 'atmospheric' shots of the general area, in bygone times.
Sorry I can't pin point the individual property.
Have ye ever read " The Poacher Joseph Rushbrook " ? It's available free, on line. Kindle job. Delightful old period drama. The sort of thing they don't write anymore.
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Many thanks for your reply Steve, I thought it was a long shot but worth asking :) I'd love to see the photo you mention please so will pm my addy. I'm from Reading but have spent much time in Google maps wandering around the St Georges Square area.
Also thanks for the book recommendation, I'll seek it out :)
Kind regards, Heather
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If not mate then we'll just keep on with the emails and maybe put up anything they may be of interest to anyone on here..i've loads of stories/memories of my youth in and around Kingston Crescent/Stamshaw/Rudmore areas,maybe if we check the old posts on Portsmouth we may be able to solve a few posts between us..i presume you got my emails today describing the Mills Road conundrum..if my mother is up that way i'll get her to take an up to date photo of the place..maybe jog your memory..till next email.
Steve
We lived at 25a and 25b Kingston Crescent, next to Lily’s Woodward. There was a board outside our house Madame Lene, my mother was a tailor.
I heard that the Woodward was the big house and that the person who owned that built our twin houses for his daughter.
Spriggings was the dentist a lovely house with wide stairs leading up to the back door and two lions sat on the top of bottom pillars like the guildhall. The house past the Woodward still had the servants bells in when they pulled it down to build that dreadful office block. The tree from my Mothers front garden is still there.
It was a lovely road, individual houses and such a shame they were pulled down. My favourite house. 3 storeys plus a double basement, nice marble fireplaces.
Ginette
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Whoah!!! Fantastic memories, Ginette! Thanks for sharing :)
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You are welcome. I remember our houses had storm doors and that lovely colour leaded glass in the main door. We must have pictures somewhere. If I find any I shall post them.
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Hello Steve - not sure if you're still active on this forum.
Would you have any photos of Silver Street, Southsea (off Kings Rd) or Lower Forbury Road (before the demolitions from the 60s onwards)?
By the way, are you a relative of Ann Burge (b. c1841 in Somerset, d. 1912 in Portsmouth) who married Edward Saunders and is shown in the 1911 census in Copper Street, Southsea?
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Ravenseft, this thread alerts me to new posts. When I don't reply it'll likely mean I'm dead.
Unfortunately, random streets I consider the 'Crocodile Dundee Question'. Like when he greets a random stranger in New York. " G'day! My name's Mick. Maybe I'll see ye around? "
Unfortunately, there was no google maps, back then. No one ever thought to take photographs of random streets. There had to be some feature they considered of interest. Or it was just a main thoroughfare. Potential postcard material, I guess?
Remember; Back in the day, taking a single photo could just about add up to a days worth of time and pay. No duck lips then.
Burge / Somerset? Soon as I saw Somerset I knew she'd be one of the 'Posh Burge's'. Somerset Burges tended to have names like Emilia. And pa pa was a magistrate.
No idea where Copper St was. So I searched it. Hells teeth! Just Look at that location, on google maps today. It's smack in the centre of what would have been the extreme stockbroker belt. Properties, round that way, were towering, three or four floor monoliths. Full of silverware and servants.
Wonder if Ann and Edward ate with the silver, of polished it?