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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: madsainty on Tuesday 11 August 09 15:35 BST (UK)
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Hi,
Im working on the research of my Wallace family ancestors and need some local knowledge about the East Kilbride area. The family farmed 'High Mains Farm' situated to the north of the town yards from Mains Castle and I have records from the mid 1700's but have never managed to track down graves despite wandering around the main cemetery I could find in the town and also visiting the graveyard at the church in the old town. Can anyone with local knowledge help me with information as to other graveyards in the locality, ideas as to where the family would have been buried etc. The farm only left the family a few years back and at one time prior to its restoration I believe the family decendents owned Mains Castle as well. My branch of the family moved away from East KIlbride around the turn of the last century with a brother of my Great Great Grandfather taking on the farm.
On the 1841 census my family are listed at Mid Mains (which is really High Mains), There were also Wallace's listed as Farmers at West Rogerton to the north (though I think this may actually be East Rogerton), Mains South Farm which I am guessing no longer exists and also a West Mains farm which again I think may no longer exist.
Ideally a map of the area from mid 1800's or so would be ideal to locate farms etc, where would I find one?
Any local knowledge or information would be fantastic.
Thanks
Kevin
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Hello Kevin,
my 4 x great grandmother was a Jean Wallace who married James Baird in East Kilbride in March 1772. I also have a Mary Wallace who married Robert Baird in East Kilbride in 1842. This Mary Wallace is named on the family headstone in EK Old Parish Churchyard.
Also a Jean Wallace from Glasford who married my 3 x great grandfather William Baird in 1801.
Hope this doesn't cloud things too much. Would be interested in exchanging notes.
Baird
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Hi Kevin
You will find an old map on www.geo.ed.ac.uk/scotgaz/features/featuremap18215.html. This will bring up a modern map but select historical at the top right and an old map will overlay the modern one. Drag the map until you find Rogerton and you will see High Mains Farm south of there. East and West Rogerton also feature. A Google search also will give you a fair bit info on Mains Castle.
Cheers
Dex
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Hello Kevin, Another Wallace who is interred in East Kilbride Churchyard is the wife of Ainsley Wallace , the Man who named the town of Rutherglen in Victoria Australia. I think her maiden name was Steel.
Baird
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I have some WALLACE and BAIRD in my family tree from Eastkilbride James WALLACE who married Jean JOHNSTON/E any link
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What info do you have on your Baird side?
Baird
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Here goes.
Robert BAIRD
b. abt1845 maried Jane McKECHNIE c1845
there children are
Jeanie BAIRD marrie a Walter DUFF
B.1868 Married Walter DUFF
Mary BAIRD 1874
Alice BAIRD 1871 who married a Robert DUFF
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That is a branch of my Bairds in East Kilbride.
I think I should be able to send you a lot of information on the Bairds back to John Baird in the 1600s.
Robert Baird was previously married to Mary Wallace and had 3 sons, Robert, James and Thomas.
When he remarried he had another 6; Margaret(1860), Archibald(1861),William(1864),Jean(1868),Alice(1871) and Mary (1874).
Roberts' parents were Robert Baird and Margaret Paton my 3 x great Grandparents. Robert had a sister Isabella who married a William Baird and they were my 2 x great Grandparents.
If you get in touch we can compare notes.
Baird
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Hello Kevin,
I am also working on the Wallace family from East Kilbride There was a John Wallace /Mary Craig branch (mid 1700's) and another coming down from James Wallace/Jean Ronald?John's son James married Janet the daughter of James /Jean and they had a daughter Jean.Jean Wallace married William Gray in 1830 and there son ,William, emigrated to New Zealand .He was my great grandfather.I have been on High Mains recently and you can see the old earthworks (moat?) from the ruined castle .I am having trouble getting a birthplace for William Gray (abt 1804??)- suspect it could be Kirkintilloch.I would be interested whether you have made any of these connections and in swapping info.There is other stuff on the web,which you might have come across too.
Cheers
Thomass
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Hi Thomass,
I am a decendant of the John Wallace / Mary Craig branch you mention, they would be my 4x Great Grandparents, they were the farmers at High Mains and the farm passed to their son Robert and then his son Robert took over whilst Roberts older brother John who was my GG Grandfather moved away and travelled round a number of farms in Scotland ending up in Dalkeith where he died in 1899.
I have visited the farm and castle recently and met and spoke to the current owners who purchased the farm from my family in the past 15 years or so. My family played some part in the restoration of Mains Castle but exactly what I havent yet verified.
I knew of the James/Janet family but couldnt make a connection to my branch other than to think that John and James could have been brothers but with no proof I concentrated on the direct line I knew was correct.
Would be facinated to know of your research and happy to share mine with you if its in any way relevant, you can email me at (*) if you want and we can take it from there.
Look forward to hearing from you.
Kevin
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Hi Thomass,
Sorry Ive just re-read your message and I see the connection now that your also a decendant of the John/Mary family...thats fantastic, stupid me should have read your message properly in the first place before replying. So John's son James married a Wallace too (Jean the daughter of James and Janet)..I had a link on my tree to that but no further information but will now go back to my tree and have another look.
please get in touch by email and we can take this further, Im very excited you have gotten in touch.
Kevin
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Kevin,
Slight correction...James married Jenet (Janet) Wallace (parents James Wallace and Jean Ronald) on 21 June 1809 at East Kilbride.Yes, I descend from there via Jean (b.1810 d.1874).I have a copy of pages ex a Wallace Family Bible which confirms my existing research that there was a linkage of (my ) William Gray and Jean Wallace with Robert Wallace family.According to my info,Robert was born in 1798 and married Helen Jackson (b.1816;m. 22 Mar 1835:d.4 Jul 1874).The deaths of William and Jean are recorded in the copy of the Robert Wallace family register.
James' son James (b1820;d.1893) is shown , in some other info, as having lived at "Low "Mains.
Rootschat policy prevents email at this stage(this is my 2nd post)?... but v. interested in doing so.
Thomass
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Hi Thomass,
Yes I got into trouble for putting my email on a previous message, as soon as you make a third post we can send a direct message and at that point can exchange email addresses.
I have a complete record of the family of Robert Wallace who was my 3xgreat Grandfather but im interested in your mention of extracts from a family bible, there was talk when my great uncle was alive about a bible with details of the family in it but no-one knew what happened to it. Low Mains farm doesnt seem to exist now(seemed to be called 'laigh mains' on some info I have), My side of the family have used Jackson (from Helen) as a middle name for a few generations.
I have a little bit on James (Roberts Brother) such as details of his will but my investigation of that line got no further than to list his children, do you know wether Robert and James had any other siblings?? I thought I may have found a couple of girls born to John Wallace and Mary Craig but could never find info to corroberate that!, Its true to say Ive spent a small fortune on Scotlands People website over the past few years!!!!
At the time your Great Grandfather went to New Zealand a number of my line also emigrated and I am now in regular contact with 3 of the families out in New Zealand, another line went to Canada and I also have contact with them which has been fantastic.
Robert and Helen had 2 boys, John the eldest was my GG Grandfather and a younger son Robert. John travelled around the country as a journeyman farmer (dairy) and the story goes that he was to return to inherit the farm (High Mains) upon his father (Roberts) death as the younger son (Robert) had no family but he then got married very late in his life and the farm ended up passing down Roberts line and not John's. Roberts daughter (Agnes) and her brothers (Ferguson & Andrew) ran the farm and it passed to her son (Robert Watt) sometime after her death at the farm in 1951. Roberts son eventually sold the farm a few years back, I believe he is called Fergus Watt (or Ferguson) and he still lives in East Kilbride but I have yet to make contact with him.
Anyway, thats a brief history, I would love to know more about your research and hopefully we can exchange more details soon, thank you so much for getting in touch it has made my day!!
Kevin
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Hi Kevin,
James and Robert had other siblings according to info I have come across...Hugh Andrew and Mary.Robert and John had a brother ,it seems ,named James who lived only a few months (it would seem) and 5 sisters ?there may have been a 6th sister who died (there were 2 girls named Anny)Some of the stuff I have come across cross checks with IGI,but not all of it.Have managed to avoid paying too much to the canny scots as the Kiwi to the pound is traditionally not good.
There,thats 3.
Thomass
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I also have an ancestor born in the parish, Hugh Wallace (b1774), son of a James Wallace. I find two James Wallace families at that time
James Wallace/Margaret Thomson (m1773)
James Wallace/Elizabeth Coats (m1775)
I believe that the parents of Hugh were the first couple (m1773) but would appreciate info on the parentage of the various children to "James Wallace" in the following ten years or so, i.e. prior to the appearance of the James Wallace (Mains) children.
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The James Wallace Problem.
Thanks for replying to my post, Thomass. I hoped that you would since you appear to have supplementary information. I cannot get to the "send" dialogue of personal messages right now so here goes!
In the time period 1761-1800 I see three marriages in the parish involving James Wallaces
(A) 31/01/73 James Wallace Margaret Thomson
(B) 01/10/75 James Wallace Elizabeth Coats
(C) 25/01/84 James Wallace Jean Ronald
Births to James Wallaces are as follows, my interpretation between the lines
(1) 27/02/74 Hugh Wallace (Jackton) legal birth
(since legal, presumed son of (A) above)
(2) 28/04/75 Margaret Wallace (Netsnook) natural (i.e. illeg) birth
(since marriage (B) occurs a few months later, I presume James (B) is father)
(3) 19/05/76 Janet Wallace (Allerish hole) birth, 11/08/76 James Wallace (Easter Common)
(these births are too close to be of the same family and the locations differ from the marriages. I cannot tell which is which, but I note in the blog that you attribute Janet to James (B)).
(4) 07/06/78 Andrew Wallace (Allerish hole) ????
(5) 18/01/81 Margaret Wallace (Allerish hole) ?????
(but James (B) already had a Margaret. So, does this Margaret belong to James (A) and is Allerish hole now his home?)
(6) 08/05/83 Isobel Wallace (Bogton) ?????
<----------> Now we come to the date at which James (C) is married <--------------->
(7) 20/03/85 Jean Wallace (Mains) James (C)
(8) 20/08/86 Janet Wallace (Mains) James (C)
(9) 28/09/88 James Wallace (Lairhill) ????
(10) 30/08/89 James Wallace (Mains) James (C)
(11) 18/09/91 Bazil Wallace ????
(12) 20/04/94 Robert ??????
(13) 1800 William (Mains) James (C)
Some of the place names are variously spelled e.g. Allerish hole as Arrich hole, etc.
It seems to me that James (A) was born in 1751 (Cambuslang) and that James (B) was born in 1755 in Glassford. The second may be your ancestor.
Anything you can clarify in the above would be appreciated since my only source is ScotlandsPeople and you perhaps have supplementary material.
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Hi,
You can also access various maps from www.nls.uk/digital-gallery. For example, http://geo.nls.uk/os6inch/google.html gives a similar map to what Dex suggested. Drag the cursor to move across or double click to zoom in. You can also switch between modern and historic.
I have found references to my own farming ancestors in the Glasgow Herald with Gale Archives. You can access these from home by joining the Lancashire Libraries, www.lancashire.gov.uk/libraries/borrower/join.asp. Sign up online and receive your number by email.
There is also Google Archives, http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=GGgVawPscysC though I don't find this as easy to use.
I would be interested to hear if any of you find a link with the McAulay family. It appears that Jean McAulay, a sister of an ancestor of mine married James Wallace in EK in 1851. On the 1861 census it may be the same James Wallace as a widower at Castle Mains with his young children and James' parents James & Janet.
Douglas
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Robertosoy,I have looked through my tree and I have no obvious connections until Janet Wallace christened 20 Aug 1786 .She married (11 Jun 1810 ex OPR EKilbride) James Wallace (b.15 Jul 1786,Bossfield, Lanark.d.14 Jul 1866 at E Kilbride )
Janet descended from Jean Ronald (b.25 Jan 1784) and James Wallace (b.1755).
James from John Wallace (1756- 1843) and Mary Craig (1762- 1836).
James' brothers were Robt (1795-1859),Hugh (1801-1864),Andrew(1801-1890),John(1790-1862), and sister Mary(1795-1882)
Janet's bros were John (1807-),William(1800-1877),Basil (1791-1857)
James and Janet had children,Jean (1810-1874),Janet (1825-),Mary (1818-1850),John (1813-1814),O*****(1816-),Ann(1823-1835),James(1820-1893).Jean married William Gray 3 Dec1830 at Renfrew.William Gray is my primary focus,any info would be appreciated.(b.abt 1804 died 1848) father /mother could be William and Ann ?
I have a Robert Wallace born abt 1795 who was James' bros .Robt married Helen Jackson.I have family bible material on them.I note you have #12 (20 Apr 1794)..any more information?
DouglasP
I have a Jane McAuley (d.22 Aug 1859??) m.James Wallace (in april 1851).James descended from James Wallace and Janet Wallace ,who descended from John Wallace/Mary Craig and James Wallace /Jean Ronald ,respectively(ie the same as above).Jane and James had children John(1858-1925),Janet(1856-1907),William (1854-),James (1853-1895),Isabella(1852-)This info is from a Lawrie family tree which I accessed through the S Lanarkshire E.Kilbride library so not personally researched(there is more )
Trust this assist -best endeavours
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Hi Thomass:
I have worked with the content of your last post but do not see a connection. Your info helps me eliminate some possible ancestors since they belong to the James Wallace/Jean Ronald line as opposed to the James Wallace/Margaret Thomson line which started out a bit earlier with Hugh (b1774). My James was a "taylor" in Jackton and was not an agricultural worker but his son Hugh grew up and married in the area to a Janet Hamilton (m1793). Whatever happened to the family after 1774 remains a mystery.
My #12, Robert Wallace was baptized 20/04/1794, son to James Wallace (Lairhills). This is in the OPR records.
Regards,
Robertosoy
Hope this little bit is of help.
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Hi Thomass,
The McAuley/Wallace family you listed is the same family I am interested in. I have Jean/Jane's death cert from 1859 and the births of children Janet & John are listed on the IGI. The children Isabella & Jane are with them on the 1861 census. I would be interested in any more info you have found on them.
Douglas
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Hi Douglas,
Apologies for the delay in responding...Jane married James Wallace on 18 april 1851.Children ,from previously mentioned Lawrie Family Tree, were James b.1853.d.1895,Isabella b.1852,William b.1854.m. Jessie Gray (Cairndrum),Janet b.1856.d.1907.m. Robert Murray(Kingsmuir),John b.1858.d.1925,James.m.1877 to Anne(Agnes/Annie) Wallace b.1855.d.1924.at glasgow,farmed at Gowanhead,Farnell and Haughmuir,Brechin.Anne descended from the James Wallace/Jean Ronald line.Her siblings are Mary b.1837,Janet b.1851,Isabella b. 1848,Mary .b.1841, Robert.b.1839,John.b.1837,Helen.b.1836 and (uncertain) Anny.b. abt 1850(perhaps she died ?)Their parents were Robert Wallace.b.1794.d.1859 and Helen Jackson b.1812.d.1874.Robert's(1794;1859) parents were James Wallace and Jean Ronald .
On the other leg, James Wallace's (m.Jane McAuley) father was James Wallace .b.1786.d. 1866 and mother Jenet Wallace .b.1785.d. 1867.Jenet's parents were James Wallace and Jean Ronald.
we seem to have 2 levels of intermarriage between two Wallace famili,es.
Information comes from the Lawrie tree not all of which I have personally verified, as mentioned,other research including Robert and Helen's family bible(which Ive sighted when on a visit to East Kilbride ).....usual warnings apply.What info do you have
I'll try and send an email address for further correspondence.
Trust this assists
Thomass
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I have William Wallace in my line who married Mary Jackson at EK in 1829. My notes have William as the son of James born at Mains EK 1800 but he is too far a field from my paternal interests so I never went further. Wm and Mary had 4 daughters Isabella, Mary, Margaret and Agnes.
If anyone is of this line they are welcome to a photo I have of Isabella Wallace (1833-1922) a rather intimidating looking lady. Although she died in Auchtermuchty she was interred at the OPC in EK with the her husband and 4 of her children.
Don
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Hello Kevin,
my 4 x great grandmother was a Jean Wallace who married James Baird in East Kilbride in March 1772. I also have a Mary Wallace who married Robert Baird in East Kilbride in 1842. This Mary Wallace is named on the family headstone in EK Old Parish Churchyard.
Also a Jean Wallace from Glasford who married my 3 x great grandfather William Baird in 1801.
Hope this doesn't cloud things too much. Would be interested in exchanging notes.
Baird
My gr.gr.gr.grandparents were also Jean Wallace and William Baird...their daughter Elizabeth Baird had an illegitimate daughter Jane Baird or Lawson born 1833...John Lawson was the father...maybe a cousin.
Jane Baird/Lawson married my gr.grandfather Duncan McColl in East Kilbride.I have a photo of the family outside their cottage in Kittochside.
Frank McGonigal Ont.Canada
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Are you related to Margaret Wallace, born 1804 in East Kilbride? Her parents were John Wallace and Jane Ronald.
Cheers,
Rodeo
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I meant to add that Margaret Wallace married John Craig, landed proprietor of Birdsfield Farm, Blantyre, and they later had Udston Farm, Hamilton. Both John Craig and his wife, Margaret Wallace, died there in 1876.
I note you also have a Craig connection.
Cheers,
Rodeo
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Are you related to Margaret Wallace, born 1804 in East Kilbride? Her parents were John Wallace and Jane Ronald.
Cheers,
Rodeo
I don't think so.The only Wallace I know of at the moment is Jean Wallace who was born in Glassford 1780.
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Hi Rodeo,
I am wondering if your Margaret Wallace b 1804 had a connection to Andrew Wallace bc 1800 in EK?
This is not my ancestral line, but there is something familiar.....
Andrew Wallace was married to Mary Wilson. they farmed at Farme Mansion, Rutherglen.
They had a daughter named Mary b 1836
This Mary Wallace married John Jackson in 1859, a farmer, born Cambuslang. ( The Jacksons form part of my family)
John Jackson ran his mother's farm ( Blantyre Farm) until her death in 1882, after which he and his wife Mary Wallace moved to Birdsfield Farm in Blantyre, and are living there in 1891 and 1901.
Having done some research on the Jackson line, they were fairly successful farmers, but they did not own any of the properties, but were tenants of the Duke Of Hamilton.
I would expect that Birdsfield Farm was also owned by "His Grace, Duke Of Hamilton"
Anne
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Yes, your John Jackson and Mary Wallace are connected to the family I cited. Andrew Wallace was the brother of Margaret Wallace.
Margaret Herbertson Jackson (born 1845 in Cambuslang) married Archibald Craig, son of John Craig, landed propretor of Bridsfield Farm, which Archibald inherited. Archibald Craig and his wife, Margaret Jackson, lived at Birdsfield Farm until Archibald's death in 1881. Archibald Craig's sister, Margaret Craig, was the wife of William Paterson. William Paterson and Margaret Craig were my GG uncle and aunt. Margaret Jackson, subsequent to the death of Archibald Craig, married William Paterson's brother, Gavin Paterson (my GG uncle). The daughter of Margaret Herbertson Jackson and Archibald Craig, Janet Herbertson Jackson Craig, later married Thomas Paterson, the son of Gavin Paterson. Yes, I know, it IS convoluted.
John Jackson (born 1831 in Cambuslang) married Mary Wallace in 1836 in Rutherglen. They lived at Birdsfield Farm from 1891 onwards. Prior to that, they lived at Blantyre Farm. This John Jackson was the brother of Margaret Herbertson Jackson. Their parents were Andrew Jackson and Janet Herbertson, who ran Blantyre Farm, as you say.
The Craigs were proprietors of Birdsfield Farm for many decades, according to the MIs I have for that family in High Blantyre Auld Kirkyard:
Lair 25 - Erected in memory, Craig of Birdsfield, MDCCXXL, Mary Alexander his spouse of Blantrye MDCCXLVI
Lair 26 - Erected in memory of Archibald Craig of Birdsfield. B 1/12/1831, d 18/2/1881, and of his children John b 4/11/1866, d 6/11/1866, Margaret Wallace b19/9/1867, d 28/11/1867, Isabella Jackson b5/2/1877, d 12/10/1877, Margaret Wallace b 6/8/1869, d 24/6/1879, Archibald Craig b 27/3/1879 KIA while serving with the 7/8 Battalion KOSB near Ypres, Belgium 19/8/1917 and of his widow (interred here) Margaret Jackson, aftewards widow of Gavin Paterson, Provost of Hamilton b 7/8/1845 and d 26/3/1931
Lair 27 - To the memory of James Craig, Birdsfield,who died 16/6/1856 aged 75
Cheers,
Rodeo
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You'll find that there is a strong Wallace/Jackson/Craig/Paterson connection maritally.
Cheers,
Rodeo
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Hi Rodeo,
I am confused as some of your info is not correct.
"John Jackson (born 1831 in Cambuslang) married Mary Wallace in 1836 in Rutherglen. They lived at Birdsfield Farm from 1891 onwards. Prior to that, they lived at Blantyre Farm. This John Jackson was the brother of Margaret Herbertson Jackson. Their parents were Andrew Jackson and Janet Herbertson, who ran Blantyre Farm, as you say"
John Jackson was born in Cambuslang in 1831 and married Mary Wallace in 1859.
(As per info on marriage cert)
He was NOT the son of Andrew Jackson and Janet Herbertson, nor did he have a sister called Margaret.
John was the son of William Jackson and Elizabeth Johnston.
After the death of his father on census night 1851 his mother Elizabeth moved from Cambuslang to Blantyre Farm where she was the fund hiolder and where she died in 1882.
The original Jackson/Johnston farm in Cambuslang had been run by his mother's father. ( his maternal grandfather)
His grandfather sold the business to John's father, William some years before their deaths.
William Jackson died in 1851 and left his estate to his wife, Elizabeth Ms Johnston.
Elizabeth left her childhood home, and moved to Blantyre Farm... I suspect that it may have been the Duke's decision, rather than Elizabeth's
EDIT: Snip showing parents from 1859 marriage of John Jackson and Mary Wallace
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Oops. Sorry. You're quite right. In my haste, I confused James Jackson, Margaret Jackson's brother, with John Jackson, who was indeed the son of William Jackson and Elizabeth Johnston. Wasn't the Andrew Jackson, who was a witness at the wedding of John Jackson and Mary Wallace, Margaret's father? Weren't Andrew Jackson and William Jackson brothers?
I do know pertinently, however, that it was through the Craig/Wallace/Jackson intermarriage that John Jackson and Mary Wallace occupied Birdsfield Farm subsequent to the death of Archibald Craig.
Cheers,
Rodeo
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John's younger brother was called Andrew Jackson.
Born in 1838, married Margaret Young in 1860 and died in 1914.
I think he was the witness to the 1859 marriage
I am not aware of any "older" Andrew Jacksons.
Not only was John's mother (Elizabeth Johnston) married to William Jackson, but she had a sister who also married a man called John Jackson.
Their husbands may have been related, but definitely not brothers.
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I was looking back through this thread and at some of the place names mentioned.
I was born and bred in EK... although after it gained New Town Status in 1947.
Since 1947, almost every farm in the town has given way to housing development, but I do remember some from my early years.
Most of the new housing areas are named for farms ect that once stood there.
I am looking at a framed map on my wall... EK 1935.
Mains Castle sits just inside the map perimiter, and directly opposite, just yards away is a farm called Laigh Mains, ( this no longer exists) and I am guessing that this is the Mains Farm buildings which are referred to early on the thread.
Robertosoy also made reference to a place name interpreted as " Allerish Hole"
This is undoubtedly Arrotshole.
Arrotshole is pretty old, but possibly altered/demolished or rebuilt between 1800 and 1935!.
It is among the place names listed The History of East Kilbride and Rutherglen by David Ure, first printed in 1793.. ( I think this can be read online at googlebooks)
Arrotshole from the 1935 map still exists today, and forms a couple of modernised single storey houses
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I am interested in any more information on this unknown CRAIG and Mary Alexander who died in 1730 and 1746.
Does anyone know anything?
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Robertosoy also made reference to a place name interpreted as " Allerish Hole"
This is undoubtedly Arrotshole.
Aha! That might be the mystery place that I provisionally transcribed as Aruchole. "1796 Isobel to John Smith in Aruchole? born 27 September baptised 9 October." - I think she is my 3rd-great-grandmother, who married James Aitkenhead in 1815.
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Robertosoy,
I have Hugh Wallace, son of James Wallace and Margaret Thomson, (marriage proclaimed 10 Nov., 1793) born 25 Feb. 1774 in Busby, Scotland.
Hugh travelled to Dalhousie, Lanark County, Ontario,Canada in 1819 with his son Robert on the sailing ship "Prompt".
While working in a stone quarry there Hugh sustained an injury that required the amputation of one leg. He subsequently returned to Scotland where he died. I am descended from Robert's line.
Hugh's other children James-1794-1866, Margaret 1796-?, Hugh 1800-1873, William 1802-?, Andrew 1804-1885, George 1806-? all remained in Scotland. James, Hugh and Andrew were involved in the weaving industry and died in Paisley, Scotland.
I have Robert's line to 2015.
Hope this helps with the mystery of whatever happened to the family
Regards
fiveweeks1
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I am now thoroughly confused about Birdsfield before Archibald inherited it.
I have a monument inscription saying James CRAIG of Birdsfield died 18 June 1856 but a Glasgow Herald article claiming he (or someone with same name) died June 1859. Could the date on the gravestone be unclear.
Who is this James Craig? Because there is another one at Belsfield Farm dying January 1866 and one dying 1834.
Anyone out there sorted it out???
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I have a monument inscription saying James CRAIG of Birdsfield died 18 June 1856 but a Glasgow Herald article claiming he (or someone with same name) died June 1859. Could the date on the gravestone be unclear.
Get the death certificate from Scotland's People. That will sort it out.
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A quick check on SP provides 3 results for deaths in 1856
James Craig registered in Cadder aged 10yrs----- one in Milton aged 56 and one in Springburn aged 50.
Unless your James Craig died somewhere other than Blantyre, it looks as if none of the above is the correct death.
Only one death in Blantyre 1859 but there's no indication of age.
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I'm wondering if the gravestone is wrong - the 1856 should be 1859.
I still haven't figured out who this James Craig is - I think he is the son of John and Mary who died post age 85 (they were in 1841 census) at Birdsfield but don't seem to have a will or death.
Sadly there are lots of deaths not on SP - I don't think people always bothered.
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okay - now know that this John and Mary CRAIG (85 in 1841 census and John dies in 1845) are the parents of James Craig (their eldest son) of Birdsfield. He is the brother of John Craig of Udston (who seems to have married Margaret Wallace). This John had son, Archibald who becomes James (his uncle -who presumably never married or at least never had children) heir after James' death in June 1859.
Anyone out there know this elderly Mary's surname or their other children?
I think this older John must be the brother of James Craig of Bellsfield who was 1758-1834 (the one married to Betty Alexander). Would love to find a death of Betty between 1834-41 (can't find her in the census).
Certainly James (son of John and Mary of Birdsfield) says that James C of Bellsfield is his cousin (and executor in 1859/60).
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Sadly there are lots of deaths not on SP - I don't think people always bothered.
From 1855 people were obliged by law to register a death.
Before 1855, there was no statutory register of deaths, so whether or not the death is listed depends, not on the family, but on whether the session clerk kep a record of burials, and whether that record has survived.
If your James was aged 85 in the 1841 census, the chance of him still living until 1855 is negligible.
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Yes, James Craig of Birdsfield was the son of John Craig and Mary ALEXANDER. It is correct that his brother, John Craig (1789-1876), married Margaret Wallace. Among the nine children born to them (John, James, Archibald, William, Basil, Jane, Mary, Alexander and Thomas) was my 2nd great aunt, Mary Craig (1840-1916), wife of William Paterson.
Cheers,
Rodeo
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I am delighted to have my information confirmed. Can you tell me more about John Craig senior and Mary Alexander?
They married in 1778. This makes him probably the elder brother of James Craig of Belsfield (1758-1834). Do you know who their parents were? Also who were other siblings?
This is what I have so far?
John CRAIG married Mary ALEXANDER married 8th March 1778 East Kilbride
Their children:
1) James (of Birdsfield) 31 Aug 1783 Blantyre
2) John of Udston (married Margaret Wallace) (20 August 1789 Blantyre -1876)
3) Margaret Craig - married John Thoms, farmer in 1803 in Old Monkland. He died prior to 1859. They had Mary (1804 Old Monkland) & Robert & John (1812 -died prior to 1859 will) - both are mentioned as receiving 200 pounds from James’ will
4) Janet 19 Dec 1795 Blantyre
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Does anyone have any suggestions for the parents of the John CRAIG who married Mary Alexander in 1778 at East Kilbride?
It looks like John is the brother of James CRAIG of Bellsfield Farm, High Blantyre (1758-1834) who married Betty Alexander.
I have a possible family but want to see what others think? Any more definite siblings?
Any help appreciated?
The children I have for John and Mary are a Margaret, James, John and Janet suggesting these are the 4 parents of John and Mary. I will check further.
The grave we have for ? Craig and Mary Alexander is for the 1730's and so isn't them but as two brothers seem to have married into an Alexander family (not neccessarily that Betty adn Mary are siblings) it is possible that this was just a local family they knew well and so married into it in multiple generations
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To Kevin and Thomas,
Robert Wallace is my 3rd G GRandfather. His daughter Mary b. 1841 d. 1884/85 in Holyoke, Mass,USA.
Married Archibald Jack, his father was Allen McAulay Jack, from Lanarkshire, Scotland.
My Grand mother was Anna Jack daughter to Mary Wallace. I am con fused as to the parents of Robert Wallace and Helen Jackson. Did they or did their parents own The Main Castle at one time?
Regards,
Tom Ryan, New Freedom,PA,USA.
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robertosoy,
There are 3 additional baptisms in Blantyre that help resolve some of these issues.
I've added some extra text in bold.
"The James Wallace Problem.
Thanks for replying to my post, Thomass. I hoped that you would since you appear to have supplementary information. I cannot get to the "send" dialogue of personal messages right now so here goes!
In the time period 1761-1800 I see three marriages in the parish involving James Wallaces
(A) 31/01/73 James Wallace Margaret Thomson
(B) 01/10/75 James Wallace Elizabeth Coats
(C) 25/01/84 James Wallace Jean Ronald
Births to James Wallaces are as follows, my interpretation between the lines
(1) 27/02/74 Hugh Wallace (Jackton) legal birth
(since legal, presumed son of (A) above)
(2) 28/04/75 Margaret Wallace (Netsnook) natural (i.e. illeg) birth
(since marriage (B) occurs a few months later, I presume James (B) is father)
(3) 19/05/76 Janet Wallace (Allerish hole) birth, 11/08/76 James Wallace (Easter Common)
(these births are too close to be of the same family and the locations differ from the marriages. I cannot tell which is which, but I note in the blog that you attribute Janet to James (B)).
(4) 07/06/78 Andrew Wallace (Allerish hole) ????
(5) 18/01/81 Margaret Wallace (Allerish hole) ?????
(but James (B) already had a Margaret. So, does this Margaret belong to James (A) and is Allerish hole now his home?)
(6) 08/05/83 Isobel Wallace (Bogton) ?????
<----------> Now we come to the date at which James (C) is married <--------------->
(7) 20/03/85 Jean Wallace (Mains) James (C)
(b1) 06/05/1786 Jean Wallace assumed to be James (B) see b2 & b3 below
(8) 20/08/86 Janet Wallace (Mains) James (C)
(9) 28/09/88 James Wallace (Lairhill) ???? Must be James(A) as too close to John below. This would also indicate James born 1776 died young.
(b2) 07/03/1789 John Wallace died 1855 East Kilbride death certificate confirms parents James (B)
(10) 30/08/89 James Wallace (Mains) James (C)
(11) 18/09/91 Bazil Wallace (Mains) died 1857 with mother's maiden name Ronald so James(C)
(12) 20/04/94 Robert ?????? can't be James (B) as too close to Janet below. However they did have a son Robert born about 1792 died 1874 East Kilbride
(b3) 07/12/1794 Janet Wallace Scotland people list both parents so James (B)
(13) 1800 William (Mains) James (C)
Some of the place names are variously spelled e.g. Allerish hole as Arrich hole, etc.
It seems to me that James (A) was born in 1751 (Cambuslang) and that James (B) was born in 1755 in Glassford. The second may be your ancestor.
Anything you can clarify in the above would be appreciated since my only source is ScotlandsPeople and you perhaps have supplementary material."
In addition, the birth of James in 1788 should confirm that James (A), James (B) and James (C) are 3 different people.
I believe there are other children missing from the parish register indices or the registers.
The James born in 1788 is almost certainly my ancestor. He married Mary Riddell in 1807 in East Kilbride.
On Ancestry I have DNA matches to both James (A) and James (B) although I haven't checked the trees to see if the trees are correct.
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Just correcting myself. If James baptised 1776 is attributed to James(B) then he may not have died young.
Also as there is a Janet baptised to James (B) in 1794 there isn't a contradiction in attributing a Janet to James (B), but the Janet baptised 1776 is almost certainly a daughter of James (A).