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Title: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: pollyarchmucker on Wednesday 12 August 09 11:43 BST (UK)
I'm trying to find out more of my mothers direct lineage which has brought me to Portmoak Kinross. My great great,great grandmother was Mary Reid born Mary or Marion Barclay who i think married David Reid.

Can anyone help me with any information on Mary or her parents or the Reid or Barclay's

Any help appreciated
Mick from OZ
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: pollyarchmucker on Saturday 15 August 09 07:08 BST (UK)
OOps got a bit confused with my previous posting. Mary Reid was born in 1829 and her parents were Mary or Marion Barclay and David Reid.
If anyone can offer any more info 0n those people that would be great
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: ev on Saturday 15 August 09 08:59 BST (UK)
hi Mick  :)

don't know what you have already but the children of david reid and mary
barclay are on the IGI
the family is also on the 1841 census at portmoak kinross on freeCEN
there is a tree here -

http://worldconnect.rootsweb.ancestry.com/cgi-bin/igm.cgi?op=GET&db=:3229860&id=I519511303

don't know how accurate it is ?

marriage 18th nov. 1814 portmoak kinross david reid and mairon barclay on
IGI

ev
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: jjsams14 on Friday 10 September 10 22:49 BST (UK)
hey Mick from OZ my name is Jonathan I live in the states and I think we're related by David Reid and Marion Barclay, their son James who married Margaret Creighton and had daughter Margaret who married Joseph Morton (who is my ggg grandfather) if any of this sounds familiar please reply. Thanks
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: Kinross Museum on Saturday 11 September 10 16:51 BST (UK)
Have you seen the book "Monumental Inscriptions in Kinross-shire"?

The Kinross Museum could check it for you?
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: kschind on Monday 25 June 12 06:28 BST (UK)
I am also descended from David Reid and Marion Barclay through James Reid and Margaret Crichton, via Jane Reid who was my gr gr grandmother.  I was born in the states and married a Canadian, so came back to  my roots where Jane was born, Jonathan.  Mick, I can't get back beyond David or Marion, either.   
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: LizD on Sunday 20 January 13 21:25 GMT (UK)
Hi,

I am descended from David Reid and Marion/Mary Barclay through eldest son William.  I have a detailed death certificate giving David's parents names as William Reid and Jean Paton.  Jean Paton is in the 1841 census in the household under David and Mary/Marion.  She is living with David & Mary/Marion's sons William and David.  William (eldest son of David & Mary/Marion) emigrated to Australia in 1849 with his wife and daughter.  I have a photo of him on my Ancestry website tree if you would like to have a look.  I would be interested in knowing what happened to the rest of his brothers and sisters.  I have tracked the few that stayed in Scotland but what happened to the rest?
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: kschind on Wednesday 06 February 13 15:48 GMT (UK)
Hi Liz.  I was so glad to read your post.  I had no idea that William Reid went to Australia.  I had found a William Reid who died in 1898 in Ontario.  I thought he was the brother of my James Reid ancestor.  I did look on your tree on ancestry.com and found so much info that I didn't have.  I have not posted my family tree because I am not sure how, but someone else has posted info under the White family tree that will give you info on James, who married Margaret Crichton.  James died in Northbrook Ontario, Canada on 6 Apr. 1897.  Margaret died just a couple of weeks before, 23 Mar 1897.  They had 9 children, only the last one, John, was born in Ontario.  The rest were born in Scotland.  All of their children did come to Canada, though.  I don't know about the rest of his brothers and their families, though, except from what you have on your family tree.  There are a few family trees on ancestry which contain this info.  The Forbes family tree is one. Hope this helps you to find James' family. :D
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: LizD on Thursday 07 February 13 04:00 GMT (UK)
Thank you for your message, I have had a good look at ancestry.com to find James' family.  I have also heard from someone from Robert Reid's family (son of David & Marion/Mary) Robert stayed in Scotland.  I could send you a copy of David Reid's death certificate if you like.  My email address is *
I would like to hear from Mick from Oz to find out who Mary Reid (daughter of David & Marion/Mary) who did Mary marry?

Liz
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Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: whaap on Monday 20 May 13 13:23 BST (UK)
Thank you for your message, I have had a good look at ancestry.com to find James' family.  I have also heard from someone from Robert Reid's family (son of David & Marion/Mary) Robert stayed in Scotland.  I could send you a copy of David Reid's death certificate if you like.  My email address is *
I would like to hear from Mick from Oz to find out who Mary Reid (daughter of David & Marion/Mary) who did Mary marry?

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Hi
to those that have contributed on subject of David Reid who Married Mary Barclay. This David Reid's parentage could not be from the union of William Reid & Jean Patton/Paton (the extra T only applies to the first three births). A defined time separation of William Reid & Jean Patton/Paton as parents of the David Reid who married Mary Barclay is recorded through event dates.  The death certificate held can only be for a David Reid older than the David Reid who married Mary Barclay.  The 1841 census does not record the son of David Reid & Mary Barclay, at the time of census he would have been 24 years of age not 20.
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: LizD on Tuesday 21 May 13 13:20 BST (UK)
Hi,

Information on the Death Certificate of David Reid is as follows,

County of Kinross, Parish of Portmoak

David Reid, Labourer, Widow of Mary Ann Barclay,
Death date: 4th June 1864, Scotlandwell, Portmoak
Age:  69
Father:  William Reid, Farmservant (Deceased)
Mother:  Jean Reid, (Maiden Name, Paton) (Deceased)
Cause of Death:  Inflammation on the Lungs
Informant:  Thomas Reid, son (Present)

Marriage of David Reid & Mairon Barclay (Mairon, as is on Marriage Record)
Portmoak 18th November 1814

Baptism
David Reid 3 Aug 1794
Portmoak, Kinross
Father: William
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: MonicaL on Tuesday 21 May 13 17:31 BST (UK)
Hi Liz

What is it you need help with?

Is it further details on David's wife? If so, what do you have on her, if anything, apart what you included in your post?

Monica  :)

Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: LizD on Tuesday 21 May 13 23:04 BST (UK)
Hi Monica,

I was replying in response to the previous post before mine.  There was a comment posted by 'whaap' that David Reid could not be the son of William Reid and Jean Paton, I was just supplying the information as it appears on the death certificate. 

Liz
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: MonicaL on Wednesday 22 May 13 16:29 BST (UK)
Sorry, Liz - that was a bit daft of me  :P Thought it was the start of a thread, rather than page 2  ::)

Monica  :)
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: whaap on Thursday 23 May 13 20:01 BST (UK)
Hi,
David Reid born to William Reid /Jean Patton/Paton was 1791, baptised that year.
The David Reid registered as baptised by William Reid 1794 (No Mother registered)
with no firm date of birth recorded at baptism. If the William Reid, who is recorded
as baptising a David Reid in 1794, the same person who married Jean Patton/paton
either the same David Reid child was baptised twice, or more likely, first died. not unusual.
But there is no firm recording of male child who was given same name at a later date
to this couple.
David Reid who married M Barclay was recorded as 45 years old in 1841. His birth
date would be either 1795/6.  So?
Census Records, I find, can go either way.
The I.G.I? Well you got to work with what you get

Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: whaap on Tuesday 28 May 13 20:41 BST (UK)
Hi,
Leaving aside, for the moment,  David Reid's parentage through
William Reid & Jean paton and the glich of Batism and finding
the right William etc etc.

Best way to tackle this is to go right to the roots origin regarding
branch of Reid family in Kinross, which is,

Fossway & Tulliebole, Parish, Kinross.

There is recorded marriage

William Reid & Jean Paton
24th Dec 1776
Fossoway & Tulliebole
Kinross.

Not much in its self, but when it is considered with the fact that
the Reid family burial plot is historically situated in

The Church of Scotland
Crook of Devon
Parish Church
Church Yard

Access the burial records.

At time of disruption they stayed with old church.

RR
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: whaap on Sunday 01 September 13 13:53 BST (UK)
Hi,

Regarding family member of William Reid & Jean Patten/Paton.

Their son William's death recorded April first 1864 at Scotland
Well, Portmoak, at age of 84.

The informant and signatory of registration
was "David Reid", Qualification, Brother!

Unfortunately, though not present at time of William's death, no
residence was given by David Reid in appropriate section.

Whaap :-\
 
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: ecksdochter on Sunday 13 October 13 21:35 BST (UK)
Hi, I am a descendant of William Reid & Jean Paton through their son David Reid & Mary Ann Barclay. David Reid died 4th June,1864 age 69yrs. which matches Aug,1794 birth. 1841 Census: David & Mary Reid both 45 & younger family members are living at Vane Farm, Portmoak. Next door is Jean Paton 85, Jean Reid 45, William Reid 25 & David Reid 20. (Ancestry Transcription Error: Viewed this Census at my local Library and names are Reid not Heid & Jean 45 Female, not John 45 of no sex) Notice, all neat ages divisible by 5? Scottish 1841 Census, adult ages were rounded down to next 5. All these adults could be up to 4yrs older than the age on the Census. So, yes, 20yr old David on the Census could actually be 24.  Also, in Scotland, married women often used their maiden names on Census Returns. Jean Paton I am sure is 45yr old David's mother, Jean 45 his unmarried sister (died 1869, Portmoak age 79) William 25 & David 20 his older sons. Probably living next door with Granny to relieve overcrowding in their parent's cottage. PS. Mary Reid dau of David Reid & Mary Ann Barclay married Alexander Greig son of William Greig & Janet McGregor, on 20th Aug,1858 at Leith, Midlothian. They lived in Portmoak where Alexander died 24th Jan,1892 age 70yrs. Mary, 19th Apr,1902 age 73yrs. Alexander & Mary Greig are my GG Grandparents. Hope some of this information is useful. Regards, Dod.
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: whaap on Thursday 17 October 13 12:03 BST (UK)
Yes, in Scotland married woman sometimes reverted back to their maiden surname on the death of their husbands, but is this the case with the “Jean Paton” on 1841 census recorded under Vain?

Jean Reid, daughter of William Reid & Jean Patten/Paton, is this the Jean Reid registered as aged 45 on the 1841 census? If this age is correct she would have to be the twin sister of David Reid, this being his declared age, but his sister, Jean Reid, would have been (52 in 1841. The death of Jean Reid aged (79) in 1869 would have her born 1789/90 (correct for her birth), but is this the Jean Reid on the 1841 census aged (45)?

All Kinds of scenarios and permutations open up; is Reid her maiden name or married name? Are the two, William Reid & David Reid recorded, her two sons, and nothing to do with the offspring of David Reid & M.Barclay?

Anomalies regarding age on census records are notorious. For instance, William Reid, born of William Reid & Jean Patten/Paton, on the 1851 census records his age as (69), yet in the 1861 census it has his age as 72. His 1864 death certificate age is recorded as 84 (correct for his birth date 1781).

There are two David Reid’s recorded being born to a William Reid in “Portmoak”, (1) in 1791, declared mother Jean Paton , The other 1794, no mother declared. What is the correct age and parentage of the David Reid who married M. Barclay?  It was hoped that a cross reference of age and address could have been made through a combination of the census records and death certificates to determine this. His death certificate declares (69) in 1864.

No address was recorded on either death certificate of William Reid or David Reid, other than the general Scotlandwell Portmoak.

However, examination of these two documents gives enough to establish that David Reid, who married M. Barclay, was the brother of William Reid. Son to this particular couple of William Reid and Jean Patten/Paton, the brothers died within (64) days of each other.

If the two registered David Reid births were to this particular couple (William Reid & Jean Patten/Paton) the first born in 1791 died, or recorded age on records are incorrect.

Regarding Marion/Mary/Mary Ann Barclay, Wife of David Reid, I have copy of M. Barclay’s death certificate, which I would be happy to transcribe details off, if they are not held already by those with interest in this genealogical line. ;D
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: whaap on Friday 10 January 14 19:24 GMT (UK)
Is this the full family of William Reid & Jean Paton,
or are there earlier births to this couple?

William Reid 1781
Robert Reid 1783
Janet Reid   1785
Jean Reid    1789
David Reid  1791
Andrew Reid
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: LizD on Monday 20 January 14 20:49 GMT (UK)
Death of Jean Reid 12 March 1869, Single, Scotlandwell Portmoak, Age 79.
Parents: William Reid, Ploughman and Jean Reid maiden name Paton.  Informant Andrew Reid, nephew of (looks like Pitkinny?) Auchterderran
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: LizD on Monday 20 January 14 20:53 GMT (UK)
Death of Jean Brown married to Robert Brown, 25th May 1914, Butts of Scotlandwell, Portmoak.  Age 79, Parents: David Reid, Farm Servant & Mary Reid, maiden name Barclay.  Informant Robert Brown, Jnr. 9 Brougham Street, Edinburgh
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: LizD on Monday 20 January 14 20:55 GMT (UK)
The informant of Jean Reid is her Nephew Andrew, son of David Reid & Marion Barclay. So I think this clears up the problem of who David belongs to!
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: whaap on Sunday 26 January 14 11:27 GMT (UK)
William Reed/Reid & Jean Paton/Patten/Patton

The question of full family list to this couple, I believe, is a significant
point for research. As I have not yet found any family beyond the
ones recorded in Portmoak Parish, under various spellings of parents, i.e.
William Reed / Reid & Jean Paton / Patten / Patton, is there the possibility
that any previous recordings of births to this couple, prior to 1781, being
overlooked because of a miss-spelling of a parent Christian name in baptism
record?

Dependent on date of marriage being established for certain, calculation of
time from the marriage event to the first confirmed recorded birth to this couple
would be a good indicator.

Say marriage was 1775 / 6 / 7, that would be a number of years between first
confirmed birth of 1781. Unlikely that no child was born to the couple six / five / four
years after event.

Also, names given to children of David Reid & Marion/ Mary/Mary Ann Barclay
would reflect past family names, such as brothers & sisters etc of David Reid & the
same point regarding his wife's Family.

Just because the list of known family from William Reid & Jean Paton is gleaned
only from Portmoak Parish does not confirm these recorded children were the
only ones to this couple. Remember, the recording of birth event and christenings
is not a census to whole family withing the group living in Portmoak.

In short, are there other family members to this couple not recognized when found
recorded?  Are there decedents researching their genealogical history from family of
William Reid & Jean Paton, either from recorded known family,or more importantly,
unknown/unrecognized family members?  This could be key to progress matters

     

Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: ecksdochter on Thursday 30 January 14 11:24 GMT (UK)
Hello Whaap,
     Perhaps you could tell us where you fit in, in the Reid family tree. Who are you descended from? What part of the world are you from? Do you have a tree on Ancestry that we can compare our trees with? So far you have not shared any positive information of any kind. I thought this web-site was all about sharing any information we had. It's then up to the person who sees that information to either, sheep-like, copy or take time & effort to check & either copy or discard. Sometimes just a name, birth/death date/place, marriage witness etc. can be the last piece of a jigsaw which leads on to another family or generation or means we can eliminate a person/family we are unsure of. My advice would be, ALWAYS DOUBLE CHECK, there are some dreadfully bad trees on-line. Equally, there are good trees (like LizD's) where the owner has obviously spent time & trouble checking facts. (Thankyou Liz for posting about David Reid. We are in complete agreement regarding David).
     Best Regards,     Dod.
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: whaap on Wednesday 19 February 14 10:57 GMT (UK)
That is it then!
Because there is not a gush of personal genealogical history on RC or any other ancestry forum, does this exclude? If avenues of thoughts are to be closed then “Double Checking” in this case is being made a redundant sentiment. Acceptance of a probability should not exclude further inquiry. Regarding lack of “Positive information” in postings, can a reprimand be justifiably applied?  Genealogy is more than a paper chase.

Here are points to consider regarding the David Reid Baptism of 1794:

No date of birth is declared in the 1794 baptism of a David Reid, and no mother being declared at time. There is no recording as to the child’s year of birth.

There is no evidence that the William Reid 1794 declaration regarding David Reid has anything to do with William Reid & Jean Paton.

Possibly attributing the David Reid to the wrong William Reid, would that not confuse?

The possibility of attributing the David Reid, of 1794, to the right William Reid, but wrong mother that would be confusing, would it not?  Do not rule out illegitimacy.

Only five David Reid’s recorded in Kinross in the seventeen nineties on record.
David Reid 1791- William Reid & Jean Paton = Portmoak
David Reid 1793- George Reid & Mary Ready = Orwell
David Reid 1794 – William Reid = Portmoak
David Reid 1795 - Laurance Reid & Susanah Reid = Orwell
David Reid 1795 – Robert Reid & Ann Ready = Orwell

However, others unrecorded could have been born within the county during this period.

There is only one David Reid recorded on record in Kinross in 1791 as categorically stating parents as William Reid & Jean Paton. The David Reid death Certificate of 1864 has parents as William Reid and Jean Paton, but age recorded is 69. Is this declared & registered age on this certificate actually correct?

On the positive side, regarding the wife of David Reid, there is a line of information through her death certificate.

 Information from Death Certificate

Mary Ann Reid
Married to David Reid (Labourer)
Date & Time of Death - 1863 September Ninth
    4h 30m A.M.
Age - 69 Years
Father, James Barclay. Labourer.  Deceased.
Mother, Ann Barclay. M.S. Harley.  Deceased.
Cause of Death. Dropped Down Suddenly, No Medical Attendant.

Signed- David Reid
 Present

Registered    18th Sept. 1863. Portmoak.


Date & Place of Marriage of James Barclay & Marion Harley.
James Barclay  &  Marion Harley
28 Dec 1786
Dunfermline Associate Session, Dunfermline, Fife, Scotland

Birth Date & Place of Christening Marion Barclay
11 Feb 1794
Dunfermline Associate Session, Dunfermline Fife
Date: 23 Feb.

(Mother of Marion Harley)
Birth Date & Christening Date of Marion Harley
Marion Harley Born 1st Feb1766. Christening date 6th Feb 1766.
Dunfermline, Fife.

Father& Mother of Marion Harley (Born 1766) & Marriage Date.
John Harley & Eupheme  Jack
Date of marriage- 17th April 1761. Dunfermline, Fife.

The above information on Marion Barclay may be known, looked at, and either accepted or discounted, by those following the line. Either way I post.
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: whaap on Friday 07 March 14 21:44 GMT (UK)
With regard to a previous posting of mine alluding to the full family of
William Reid & Jean Paton, along with time of marriage & sequence
of birth records.

We have a William Reid & Jean Paton marrying in Fossaway & Tuliebole
In 24th December 1776.
The only references thereafter I have found within Kinross-shire is

•   William Reid & Janet Paton, Cleish.
•   William Reid & Jean Paton, Portmoak.

The first named have three birth records in Cleish

John Reid 7th August 1777
Isobel Reid & Adam Reid, 16th July 1779 (Twins)

The second named have six births in Portmoak

William Reid   1781
Robert Reid      1783
Janet Reid        1785
Jean Reid         1789
David Reid       1791
Andrew Reid   1792

As can be seen, there is a total of nine births in sequence. Whether
the two are indeed the same couple is open for research.

The names of the children hold uniformity in subsequent generations
regarding this researched Reid line. The one that stands out is “Adam”.
 
The Adam Reid of 1779 would be brother to David Reid, if the referred to
couples are one in the same. There the line would be, regarding the Christian
name Adam.

David Reid & Marion Barclay = son Adam 1825
Adam Reid & Helen Houston = son Adam  1856 & again 1866   
James Reid & Grace McGhee/McGee = son Adam1887 etc. etc

The same sort of sequence applies to Robert/John/William etc.

The thrust of genealogical research, I would say, is to establish a depth to
the generations.

My father’s Grandfather is Adam Reid (1825)
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: whaap on Tuesday 29 April 14 11:40 BST (UK)
The William Reid who is recorded as marrying a Mary Mcloud In
Portmoak Parish on 13 December 1844, is this the William Reid born
to David Reid & Marion Barclay?

The William Reid who is recorded as marrying a Mary Mcleod on
13 December 1844 in Ballingry, Fife, is this the William Reid born to
David Reid & Marion Barclay?

Is the child Mary Reid, born 3th December 1845 & christened 4th Jan
1846 in Cleish, the child of William Reid & Mary Mcloud that married
at Portmoak,or is the child born to the William Reid & Mary Mcleod
that married in Ballingry Fife?

Though the child is recorded to have been baptised 3d Jan 1846 the birth
 of the child may not have been in Cleish parish or in Kinross-shire.

Does the child, Mary Macleod, registered and baptised in Cleish have any
connection To either couple?

The three separate name spellings of

Mary Mcloud (Portmoak) Kinross-shire
Mary Mcleod (Ballingry, Fife)
Mary Macleod (Cleish) Kinross-shire

I presume death of William Reid, born to William Reid &
Marion Barclay, the relevant certificate records parents
names.

Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: LizD on Wednesday 28 May 14 09:03 BST (UK)
William Reid son of David Reid and Marion Barclay married Mary McLeod
children of William & Mary are :

Mary Reid born 3 Dec 1845 Cleish (Mary gives Cleish, Kinross-shire as place of birth on her Marrriage Certificate
Jane Reid born c1850 (born Australia probably at Pentland Hills, Victoria, Jane was alive in 1869 when her father died but I have been unable to find any trace of her.
Helen (Ellen) Reid born 1853 (no certificate found probably Pentland Hills, Victoria also)
William Reid born 1854 died 1855 Carngham, Victoria (birth certificate gives Father William's birth place as Portmoak, Kinross, Mother Mary's birth place as Lochore, Ballingry, Fife
William David Reid & John George Reid (TWINS) born 10 Jan 1856 Anakie (near Geelong), Victoria
(John George is alive at time of William's Death in 1869 but no sign of him after that)
James Adam Reid born 1858 Anakie
Frederick McLeod Reid born 1862 Anakie

Mother Mary Reid (nee McLeod) died 1862 Anakie, buried Geelong
Father William Reid died 1869 Kangatong Station, near Hawkesdale

I have photographs of William Reid & Mary McLeod, Helen Reid, William David Reid & James Adam Reid.  Also pictures of William & Mary's many Grandchildren
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: whaap on Wednesday 25 June 14 13:23 BST (UK)
William Reid & Mary Mcleod/Mcloud

Clearly two marriage ceremonies by the same couple on same day/month/year is
Unlikely, is it not?  Of course, it may be that there were only the one couple all along
for the two recorded events. Considering the time of year and the month, December,
they may not have been able to get to original scheduled venue. 
Though why were two events actually recorded as taking place in each parish record?

If the two recorded events applied to the same couple, which Parish
did they have ceremony in; Portmoak, Kinross-Shire or Ballingry, Fife-shire? This
question, under the above outlined circumstances, may appear to be a bit academic.

On the other hand, if there are two separate couples mentioned, how do you
differentiate?

As a scenario,
Two couples married, the Ballingry couple moved into Cleish, and had daughter
Mary. The couple that married in Portmoak moved out of the parish to another
county, or even country, before birth of any family was recorded.

If this was the case it would be so easy to jump to wrong William Reid when checking
genealogical line.

A positive differentiation from any other William Reid who married a
Mary McLeod/Mcloud would be for the D.C. (of 1869) to hold the parents
names of that particular William Reid.

If not, perhaps on papers, or information held on any movement documents, say assisted
passage records, if pertinent to circumstances. Of course I do not know if full information
on such documents would actually contain such details, apart from the basic.

It is not my intention to be negative to any research done, far from it. It may be that any and
all scenarios have been researched and followed and answered.

Burial in Fossaway Church Yard

I had image of burial headstone emailed to me regarding the family of
Adam Reid (born 1866). The head stone information encompasses two
separate lairs and relates to son of Adam Reid, born 1825.

Though five burials recorded on head stone; there is a sixth within related lairs.

I do not feel it appropriate to post image on RC, but will post
information held upon stone to any who has interest.

HEADSTONE INSCRIPTION

In loving memory of
Jane McGhie
Died 16th June 1944
Aged 73 years
Beloved wife of
Adam Reid
Died 30th Aug 1948
Aged 82 Years
Their daughter
Helen
Died 28th May 1984
Aged 86 years
Their son
David
Died 6th March 1989
Aged 77 Years
Their daughter
Christina
Died 29th September 2000
Aged 87 Years

Within the lairs there is a sixth burial, Mary Reid, Buried 21/1/1907 aged 3 weeks

Lair B 165 – Holds - Mary/Jane/Adam/Helen
Lair B 164 – Holds – David/ Christina

Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: LizD on Thursday 26 June 14 01:26 BST (UK)
I don't think it was a rare thing for a couple to be married on the same day in two different places.  I have seen it a few times with the Scottish records on IGI   In this case William Reid was from Portmoak as stated on the marriage record and Mary McLeod (McLoud on image) was from the parish of Ballingry.  Birth certificate of their son William Reid born 1854 in Australia place of marriage is given as Kinross Dec 1844.  Daughter Mary gives birth place on her marriage as Cleish. 
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: LizD on Thursday 26 June 14 02:06 BST (UK)
In reference to other children of William Reid and Jean Paton.  I have the death certificate of John Reid 27 May 1859, Age 82, Piperpool, Saline, Fife.  Father William Reid farm servant, Jean Reid maiden name Paton.  Informant John Reid son of deceased.  In 1851 census John gives his birth place as Cleish.  Baptism date would co-ordinate with the Cleish one listed for William Reid and Janet Paton (name Janet given for 3 children born in Cleish) is Janet an acceptable version of Jean?  Any ideas?
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: whaap on Monday 07 July 14 21:10 BST (UK)
Assisted Passage records hold two couples with near identical dates
of passage; Only a day date difference for one recorded passenger.
It is as if there is a shadow attached to William Reid & Mary McLeod.
Whether paper shadow or real?

Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: whaap on Monday 07 July 14 21:11 BST (UK)
John Reid D.C. of 1859 in relation to the Cleish birth of 1777.
It is regrettable that the recording has the omission of wife’s name.
The deceased being classified as widowed.
Perhaps the two previous census records, 1841 and 1851, could
clarify (provided the wife was alive) with answer.  The age of the son
who registered death would be a good indicator.

Once these answered it would go some way to try and verify marriage
Location. Perhaps the event was in Portmoak?
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: whaap on Monday 07 July 14 21:18 BST (UK)
Reid Burials within Fossaway Church Yard.
   
Within individual burial Lairs these can hold up to four internments. Within family
burial plots the records may not cover the longer time period if the burials
were over sixty, seventy, or eighty years apart, in which case older
records have to be consulted. In older records there is a tendency not to
use lair numbers.

The last recorded burial in Plot Lair B187 - 1902, Adam Reid 76.
This would leave three previous burials.

The last burials recorded in plot lair B 189 - 1914, David Reid 61 Years
                      B 189  - 1942 Grace Reid (McGhie)
This would leave two burials unrecorded within lair.

The last recorded burials in Plot lair B 188 -1905, David Reid 2 ½ hours
                      B  188 -1915, Helen Houston 82 Years
                      B  188  -1948 James Reid 85 Years
I believe that those recorded are the only ones within lair B 188. I
Could be wrong!

Cassification Summery

B 187 - 1902 Adam Reid Born 1825
B 188 - 1915 Helen Houston Born 1829. Wife of Adam Reid

B 188 - 1848 James Reid Born 1863 Son of Adam Reid & Helen Houston
B 189 - 1942 Grace Reid (McGhie) Born 1867, Wife of James Reid

B 188 - 1905 David Reid Born 1905, son of George Reid & Helen Masterton Reid(Foster)
                
B 189 -1914 David Reid Born 1853, Son of Adam Reid & Helen Houston

As can be seen burials of wife and husbands were not within same lair number.
As each lair was filled next was used. It is a case of use in order of demise.
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: whaap on Wednesday 13 August 14 21:25 BST (UK)
With regards John Reid, born 1777 Cleish, There is a John Reid who married a Jean Lauder in Portmoak on 15th December 1813.  The subsequent family recorded born to this couple in Portmoak are;

•   David Reid, born 24 August 1814
•   John Reid,   born 23 July 1818
•   Margaret Reid 25th March 1821
•   Margaret Reid 18th February 1823

If this is the John Reid (born 1777) recorded to have died in Saline, Fife in 1859, he would have been 36 years of age at time of marriage. The second son john would be the recorder of his death.

The death certificate of John Reid (Born 1818) should hold his parents names etc.


With reference to other children that may be from William Reid and Jean Paton.

In Cleish 1779, the twins born to William Reid & Janet Paton, i.e. Adam and Isabel, There is a marriage of an Isobel Reid recorded in Portmoak 10th March 1811 to Andrew Harley. If this is the sister of John Reid born Cleish she would have been 32 years of age.

There are no children recorded to have been born in Kinross-Shire to Isobel Reid & Andrew Harley,
not found by me anyway.

The first birth I have found recorded to an Andrew Harley & Isobel Reid is in Saline, Fife on 25th April 1813.

This couple may or may not be the couple married in Portmoak in 1811. For there is a marriage recorded on 16th April 1812 in Saline between Andrew Harley & Isobel Reid. This gives an eleventh month gap between Portmoak ceremony and last.

The D.C. of this Isobel Reid should hold parents names, if she died after 1855 that is. Long shot I know, but it would go a long way to confirm that the Janet Paton & Jean Paton are the same.

Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: Jlonge on Friday 15 August 14 21:37 BST (UK)
hello.......Jan here in Canada.........John Reid was my ggrandfather. He was born just after James and Margaret came to Canada.........I have information on the Canadian side of things if you are interested
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: Jlonge on Saturday 16 August 14 03:02 BST (UK)
Jan here in Canada.................my ggrandfather was John Reid who was born just after Margaret Reid landed in Canada..............I have info on the Canadian side if you are interested
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: whaap on Tuesday 02 September 14 19:24 BST (UK)
Hi,
Is reference being made to the family of
James Reid, born 1816, Portmoak, to David Reid &
Marion Barclay?

I ask rather than jump to a presumption. A few later
generations of Reid landed in Canada.
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: whaap on Monday 22 September 14 15:55 BST (UK)

Ontario Canada, Kaladar Burial Records (Municipal)

Reid, James, Aged 84, April 6th 1897 = this would make his birth 1813
Reid, Margaret, Aged 81, March 23rd 1897 = this would make her birth 1816

Is there any Records/documentation tying up this couple with
the David Reid & Marion Barclay, recorded in Portmoak, Kinross-Shire?

I throw this out there to any and all.

Thanks
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: ecksdochter on Wednesday 24 September 14 14:43 BST (UK)
Hello Jlonge,
     Is this your family?
     1861 Census, Kenyon, Glengarry, Canada West. James Read 48, Margaret 45 & 9 children all born Scotland except for youngest son, 2yr old John born Upper Canada.
     1881 & 1891 Census they are Kaladar, Ontario.
     If this is your family please get in touch again. I have quite a lot of information for you.
               Regards,     Dod.


Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: ecksdochter on Friday 03 October 14 12:26 BST (UK)
Hello Jlonge,
     Thankyou for your message. I can't PM you until you have posted 3 times, but I would rather put the information I have on open forum so others can check it out. 
     Because you have posted on this thread, I assume you have David Reid & Mary Barclay as the parents of the James Reid who emigrated to Canada. I'm afraid there are two James Reids, one born 1813, FOSSOWAY, Kinross-shire, and one born 1816, PORTMOAK, Kinross-shire, Scotland. I'll start with David & Mary's son James then follow on with the "other" James. (Bad news then good news, I hope!)
   
     BIRTH: Portmoak, Kinross-shire. James Reid, Lawful son of David Reid & Mary Barclay, Vein (Vane Farm) born 26th July,1816. Bap. 4th Aug,1816. [OPR Births 464/00 0010 0179 Portmoak]
     
     MARRIAGE: Dull, Perthshire. 31st May,1846. James Reid & Christian Anderson [OPR Marriages 346/00 0060 0193 Dull]
   
     1851 SCOTLAND CENSUS. Kinghallin, Perthshire. (Kinnighallen)
          James Reid     33 Carter   b Kinross, Fifeshire.??
          Christian Reid 35 Wife      b Weem, Perthshire.
          David Reid       4 Son       b Dull, Perthshire.
          William Reid     3 Son       b Fortingall, Perthshire.
          Mary Reid         1 Dau      b Kenmore, Perthshire.
          John Stewart    9 Stepson b Fortingall, Perthshire.

     1861 SCOTLAND CENSUS. Fortingall, Perthshire.
          James Reid         40 Carrier b Vain, Kinross-shire.
          Christy Anderson 47 Wife    b Kenmore, Perthshire.
          William Reid       13 Son      b Rannoch Lodge, Perthshire.
          Mary Reid           11 Dau     b Kighillan, Perthshire. (Kinnighallen)
               (Vane Farm is in Portmoak Parish, Kinross-shire. David & Mary Reid are still living there  on 1841 Scotland Census)

     1871 SCOTLAND CENSUS. Dull, Perthshire.
          James Reid  55 Scholar?  b Vain, Kinross-shire. (Scholar. Transcription Error for Labourer)
          Christy Reid 58 Wife        b Kenmore, Perthshire.
          William Reid 23 Son        b Fortingal, Perthshire.

     WIDOWED: 17th June,1880. Aberfeldy, Perthshire. [Statutory Deaths 324/00 0018]
          Christina Reid, married to James Reid died at Aberfeldy age 69yrs. Dau of John Anderson (Crofter) dec. & Anne Anderson ms Campbell dec. Informant: James Reid (Husband) Present.

     1881 SCOTLAND CENSUS. Dull, Perthshire.
          James Reid 63 Crofter   b Portmoak, Kinross-shire.
          Mary Reid   25 Dau       b Kenmore, Perthshire.

     1891 SCOTLAND CENSUS. Dull, Perthshire.
          James Reid 73 Retired Farm Labourer b Portmoak, Kinross-shire.

     DEATH: Aberfeldy, Perthshire. [Statutory Deaths 324/00 0031]
          James Reid (Carrier) Widower of Christina Reid, died 8th July,1892 at Chapel St, Aberfeldy age 77yrs. Son of David Reid (Ploughman) dec. & Mary Reid ms Barclay dec. Informant: David Reid (Son) Dean Park Mews, Edinburgh.

     Sorry, not the James Reid who emigrated to Canada.
I'll have to close now. Will start a new post with information about the "other" James Reid later to-day.
               Regards,     Dod.
     
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: ecksdochter on Friday 03 October 14 15:25 BST (UK)
Hello again Jlonge,
     This is the James Reid more likely to be the James who emigrated. I'll start with 1851 Scotland Census & you can compare it with 1861 Canadian Census. The Canadian Census is a gem of a find because it lists all the family, including family absent from home. Took me a long time to track it down and I'm glad you could confirm that it is James Reid & Margaret Crichton.

     1851 SCOTLAND CENSUS. Crook of Devon, Fossoway & Tulliebole, Kinross-shire, Scotland.
          James Reid   37 Farm Servant b Fossoway, Kinross-shire.
          Mary? Reid   34 Wife               b Cockpen, Edinburgh.
          Marion Reid  10 Dau               b Fossoway, Kinross-shire.
          Henry Reid    8 Son                b Dunfermline, Fife.
          Peter Reid     6 Son                b Dunfermline, Fife.
          James Reid   4 Son                 b Aberdour, Fife.
          Jane Reid      2 Dau                b Fossoway, Kinross-shire.
          Margret Reid 8 Mo. Dau          b Fossoway, Kinross-shire.

     1861 CANADIAN CENSUS. Kenyon, Glengarry, Canada West, Canada.
          James  Read    48 Labourer b Scotland.
          Margaret Read 45       -       b Scotland.
          Mini  Read       21       -       b Scotland.  (Absent. At S. Canada)
          Henry Read     19       -       b Scotland.  (Absent. At Locheil)
          Peter Read      17       -       b Scotland.  (Absent. At S. Canada)
          James Read     15       -      b Scotland.   (Absent. At Locheil)
          Jane  Read      13       -       b Scotland.   (Absent. At Locheil)
          Margaret Read 11      -       b Scotland.
          Elisabeth Read  7       -       b Scotland.
          Agnes  Read     6       -       b Scotland.  (Family member??)
          John  Read       2      -        b U.C. (Upper Canada)

     My grand children have just come home from school so will post more information tonight once peace reigns again!
               Regards,     Dod.

     
     

     

         

     
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: ecksdochter on Saturday 04 October 14 01:09 BST (UK)
Hello Jlonge,
     Elisabeth & Agnes Reid were both born in Scotland after 1851 Census taken. Fossoway & Tulliebole OPR for Elisabeth's birth is another gem of a find because most of her siblings birth details are on the same page.

1842. Henry. Son to James Reid, London? Farmer & Margt. Crichton his wife, born 19th July,1842.
1844. Peter. Son to James Reid, Dunfermline & Margt. Crichton, born 15th April,1844.
1846. James. Son to James Reid, Aberdour & Margt. Crichton, born 11th June,1846.
1848. Jean. Daughter to James Reid, Drum of Tulliebole & Margt. Crichton, born 16th July,1848.
1850. Margaret. Daughter to James Reid, Drum of Tulliebole & Margt. Crichton, born 2nd Aug,1850.
1854. Elisabeth Moncreiff. Daughter to James Reid, Drum of Tulliebole, & Margt. Crichton,
              born 5th Sept,1854.  [OPR Births 461/00 0030 0103 Fossoway & Tulliebole]

     3rd gem of a find is Agnes' Birth Certificate. Born 1855, the 1st year of official Birth, Marriage & Death registration, these certificates carry a lot of extra information not included in later certificates.
     1855. Births in the United Parishes of Fossoway & Tulliebole, in the County of Kinross.
     Agnes Mary Reid born 11th Dec,1855 at Boggiehall.
     Father: James Reid. Occ: Farmer. Age: 41. Born: Meikletown of Aldie.
     Married: 17th April,1840 at Perth.
     Mother: Margt. Reid ms Crichton. Age: 38. Born: Lasswade. (Midlothian)
     Informant: James Reid, Father (Present)
     Agnes Mary is Margaret's 9th child. 3 boys & 4 girls living. 1 boy deceased.
          [Statutory Births 461/00 0045]

    The information on the 1851 Scotland Census, 1861 Canada Census on earlier post & the birth details above certainly looks like the same family. Narrows their emigration down to between Agnes Mary's birth in Scotland & John's birth in Canada, 1855-1859.
     
     Can't find a marriage for James Reid & Margaret Crichton but I believe this is their births.

     1813. Births. Fossoway & Tulliebole, Kinross-shire. [OPR Births 461/00 0020 0493]
Nov,1813. James to Henry Reid, tenant, Aldie, born 24th curt. baptized 5th Dec, in the Church.
     (Although this Entry in The Parish Register only names James' father, Henry Reid at Aldie was married to Jane/Jean Brown)

     1816. Births. Cockpen, Midlothian. [OPR Births 676/00 0020 0222]
Margaret Crichton, born 30th June,1816. Parents: Peter Crichton & Marion Matheson.

     Most Scots named their children in a particular order, now referred to as the 'Scottish Naming Pattern'. I will add that not all Scots used this order & I wouldn't use it solely as proof but it can be a guide to grandparents names and it seems to fit here.
     1st son named after father's father.  Henry (Reid)
     2nd son named after mother's father.  Peter (Crichton)
     1st daughter named after mother's mother.  Marion (Matheson)
     2nd daughter named after father's mother.  Jean (Brown)


     Henry Reid & his wife Jane/Jean Brown 1841 & 1851.
     1841 Scotland Census. Backparks, Fossoway, Kinross-shire.
          Henry Reid     60 Farmer b Kinross.
          Jean Reid       60     -      b Kinross.
          Margret Reid   30    -      b Kinross.
          Elisabeth Reid 25    -      b Kinross.
          Andrew Reid   20    -      b Kinross.
     Adult ages on 1841 Census are rounded down to next 5. eg. ages 20-24 rounded down to 20.

     1851 Scotland Census. East Hilton, Fossoway, Kinross-shire.
          Henry Reid 72 Farmer  b Muthill, Perthshire.
          Jean Reid   73 Wife      b Kinross, Kinross-shire.
          Jean Reid   35 Dau       b Fossoway, Kinross-shire.
          Andro Reid   8 Nephew b Beath, Fife.
          James Nicol  4 Nephew b Fossoway, Kinross-shire.
          Plus 3 Servants. (Andrew Reid & James Nicol are grandsons not nephews)

     Can't find Henry's death but Jane Reid ms Brown died 18th Dec, 1859 at Crook of Devon, Fossoway [Statutory Deaths 461/00 0021] This DC should include parent's names to take you back another generation.
     Finally, to definitely tie Henry Reid, Jane Brown & Aldie, Fossoway together is this Inventory in Wills & Testaments on ScotlandsPeople.
Jane Reid or Brown. Relict of Henry Reid, West Backside of Aldie. d18/12/1859 at Crook of Devon.
Type: Inventory. Court: Kinross Sheriff Court. SC22/44/4. (10 Credits to view) 3 Pages.
     (This is an Inventory not a Will but it might mention other family members.)
     
     Hope the above information gives you something to work on. We've probably just lost you as a "cousin" for a generation or two. Coming from the same small county, it's likely the two James Reids were related.

               Best Regards,     Dod.
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: whaap on Saturday 04 October 14 10:59 BST (UK)
The previous three postings were comprehensive

Jean Brown ( wife of Henry Reid, 1779, married 1810, Fossaway & Tulliebole, her age
32, his age 31.

Parents of Jean Brown, born 1778 Kinross Kinross-Shire= Andrew Brown
                                                                                   Margaret Drummond

I've tried to connect the Henry Reid & Jean Brown line to William Reid & Jean Paton line, but
so far failed.

I am the first to admit that that could all change in the turn of a page.







Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: whaap on Sunday 12 October 14 12:22 BST (UK)
James Reid & Christian Anderson.
Within the census records for the three declared family members of the
couple, i.e., David, William & Mary, [are these the only children born to
this couple?]though the age birth and place is stated I can only find one
birth recorded; that of David Reid. Not unusual, but is his birth being
recorded twice?
•   David Reid, Birth recorded as 3rd June 1846 to James Reid
        & Christian Anderson, Dull, Perth.
•   David Reid, Birth recorded 16th June 1846 to James Reid
        & Christian Anderson, Fortingall, Perth.
If the same couple what is the logical reason? The first obvious thought
was that there were two James Reid & Christian Anderson.
The point does not affect the final outcome concluded, i.e. James Reid’s recorded
death and origins. Curious though. Any thoughts out there? :-\

Thanks
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: normruttan on Tuesday 20 January 15 00:10 GMT (UK)
Hello again Jlonge,
     This is the James Reid more likely to be the James who emigrated. I'll start with 1851 Scotland Census & you can compare it with 1861 Canadian Census. The Canadian Census is a gem of a find because it lists all the family, including family absent from home. Took me a long time to track it down and I'm glad you could confirm that it is James Reid & Margaret Crichton.

     1851 SCOTLAND CENSUS. Crook of Devon, Fossoway & Tulliebole, Kinross-shire, Scotland.
          James Reid   37 Farm Servant b Fossoway, Kinross-shire.
          Mary? Reid   34 Wife               b Cockpen, Edinburgh.
          Marion Reid  10 Dau               b Fossoway, Kinross-shire.
          Henry Reid    8 Son                b Dunfermline, Fife.
          Peter Reid     6 Son                b Dunfermline, Fife.
          James Reid   4 Son                 b Aberdour, Fife.
          Jane Reid      2 Dau                b Fossoway, Kinross-shire.
          Margret Reid 8 Mo. Dau          b Fossoway, Kinross-shire.

     1861 CANADIAN CENSUS. Kenyon, Glengarry, Canada West, Canada.
          James  Read    48 Labourer b Scotland.
          Margaret Read 45       -       b Scotland.
          Mini  Read       21       -       b Scotland.  (Absent. At S. Canada)
          Henry Read     19       -       b Scotland.  (Absent. At Locheil)
          Peter Read      17       -       b Scotland.  (Absent. At S. Canada)
          James Read     15       -      b Scotland.   (Absent. At Locheil)
          Jane  Read      13       -       b Scotland.   (Absent. At Locheil)
          Margaret Read 11      -       b Scotland.
          Elisabeth Read  7       -       b Scotland.
          Agnes  Read     6       -       b Scotland.  (Family member??)
          John  Read       2      -        b U.C. (Upper Canada)

     My grand children have just come home from school so will post more information tonight once peace reigns again!
               Regards,     Dod.

     
     

     

         

     

This is the Reid family who emigrated to Upper Canada and ended up in the Kaladar area north of Kingston, Ontario.

My great-grandfather Robert Abbott from Kingston, Ontario married Marion Reid. Their daughter Katherine Carscallen Abbott married my grandfather Charles Hamilton Scott Ruttan (Loyalist Family from New Jersey who came to Canada in 1785).

Jane Reid is buried either in my family's private cemetery near Northbrook, Ontario or at Flinton, Ontario with her husband Abraham Allport. Marion Reid-Abbott is buried in the family cemetery near Northbrook, Ontario.

I can be contacted at norm@n*rmruttan.com for more information on the James Reid family of Scotland-Canada, including the family farm location, and their private family graveyard which my family keeps up.
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: whaap on Thursday 30 April 15 22:08 BST (UK)
An Archive Link for those who are descended from "James Reid", son of
Henry Reid, and not descended from David Reid & Marion Barclay.

archiver.rootsweb.ancestry.com › PERTHSHIRE › 2000-04

It may be known of and accessed already, but in case it has not I post


 



Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: LizD on Saturday 03 October 15 00:05 BST (UK)
For those interested, details of death certificate of David Reid:

David Reid, Labourer, Widower of Mary Ann Barclay
Death 4 June 1864   11.30A.M.   Scotlandwell Portmoak Kinross
Age 69 Years
Father:   WILLIAM REID, Farmservant (Deceased)
Mother:   JEAN REID M.S. Paton  (Deceased)
Inflammation of the Lungs
Informant:   Andrew Reid, son (present)
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: whaap on Monday 30 November 15 12:46 GMT (UK)
Hi LizD,

Thomas Reid, born 11th May 1839 to David Reid & Mary Barclay, Portmoak. Kinross,
was the informant on David Reid’s D.C.

The posting of May 21st 2013 declares “Thomas”.
The posting of October 13th 2015 declares “Andrew”

May I ask why a later change to name of informant on David Reid’s D.C. of 1864?

Whaap
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: LizD on Monday 28 December 15 11:08 GMT (UK)
Name of informant on David Reid's death certificate 1864 should read son Thomas informant not Andrew
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: furzey21 on Wednesday 08 March 17 23:07 GMT (UK)
Hi I am currently trying to trace back along the barclay line from the same area as my grandmother was related in some way.
Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: Grierson on Sunday 20 February 22 16:38 GMT (UK)
I am researching the Reid family who lived on the Aldie Estate, Fossoway. Also maybe the Oswald family and Robertson family all related somehow.
Did you manage to find out any information in your research of the ancestry that lived at Aldie.

I have a John Reid married to Grizel Robertson
Had three children
Henry 11.10.1793 to 02.04.1806
James 05.04.1796 to 01.08.1823
John 04.06.1798 to 02.04.1880 - he Married Ann Archibald Born 21.04.1809 Died 12.03.1881

The Father and three children all buried at Fossoway Churchyard.
Father (John) has his date of death as 02.04.1801 on gravestone but can not find his birth or his marriage.

Does any of this fit in with your research?

Title: Re: Mary or possibley Marion Barclay
Post by: LizD on Tuesday 31 January 23 09:41 GMT (UK)
Hi Grierson,

The following may be of interest to you and anyone else researching the Reid family living on the Aldie Estate, Fossoway.

I found an online newspaper article on the Australian website Trove. The article is in the Newcastle Morning Herald + Miners' Advocate, dated 19 January 1887.

The article refers to Mr John Reid, native of the parish of Fossoway, Perthshire, living in Canada. His residence for many years had been on the 'Aldes Estate' (as written in article)  'Aldie Estate' in Perthshire, where his "forebears" his maternal ancestors had been since A.D. 1250. These maternal ancestors where named Robertson and had occupied the farm of East Hilton.

Trove is a free website and all articles can be viewed in full online. I have added the links below :-

website link -           https://trove.nla.gov.au/

article link -

https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/138813518?searchTerm=%22mr%20john%20reid%22%20fossoway