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Hello
I have recently discovered my GG aunt emigrated to Australia from Somerset in 1838.
Francis and Elizabeth WOODFORD (nee PERKINS) sailed from Plymouth to Sydney between August/December 1838, together with their three young children and also siblings of Francis.
The ship was the 'James Patterson', 513 tons. It was a frequent trader and also served as a troopship on occasions.
Would anyone know if there is a picture of this particular vessel in ciculation?
Best regards
Colin Perkins
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I am actually answering my own message, as a form of correction.
On further research, the subject vessel was actually named 'JAMES PATTISON'.
It first appeared in 1830 with convicts from Dublin to NSW; then traded between Madras and London 1832/1833. It reappeared carrying convicts in 1837 from Sheerness to Sydney, a year before my ancestors (WOODFORD/PERKINS) came out on assisted passages.
The ship was reported to have 'burnt to the waterline' off the Azores carrying a cargo of Jute.
I would still like to find its Port of Registry, and if pictures of the ship are in ciculation
Regards
Colin Perkins
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Hi Colin
There are a number of mentions of James Pattison on Google. I don't know if you are in Oz or in the UK. If in UK try searching using www.google.com.au as this will alow you to filter answers "Australia only". I find that there are better results if looking for Australian information, just as you get better UK info if yu use the UK Google site.
In the 19th century British Library newspapers there is an article in The Derby Mercury November 11, 1840, about the fire and sinking of the James Pattison. Unfortunately it does not actually mention the place where this occured but those aboard were taken on by the Norval on route from St John's to Leghorn.
The Hull Packet, October, 1840 says that the "James Pattison, Cromartie" was on its way back from Sydney, Bombay and St Helena with a cargo of mainly wool and cotton which caught fire. Captain and crew were landed at Lisbon by the Norval.
And an advertisement in The Times 1832 for passengers and freight to Calcutta, apply to Captain Bolton at the Jerusalem coffee-house, or Capt Grindley, East India army agent 16 Cornhill, or to Tomlin and Mann 41 Cornhill.
Can't find a photo though!
Cheers, Judith
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Hi Judith
Many thanks for such a concise and interesting history. I was 'ggoling' through the UK but will change my tack and try through AU.
Being a retired seafarer, it fascinates me to think of people setting out on such a journey from Uk to Oz in 1838 with their young children. The last time I was in the area was 2005 as part of a team delivering a High-speed ferry from it's builders in Hobart up the Australian E Coast inside the barrier reef to Jakarta and onwards to France. (Took us 25 days at 35 knots, plus five refuelling stops!)
You confirm what I omitted in my last message, that the year of 'disaster' was 1840.
I will continue to search for an illustration of the ship, or its rigging description
Thank you again for your reply
Kind regards
Colin Perkins
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Whilst researching this particular ship, actually named JAMES PATTISON, I came across an excellent website which has helped me considerably.
The British Library has a site at www.bl.uk which includes many British provincial newspaper articles between 1800 to 1900, where you are able to word-search their contents.
Thought this information might help fellow researchers.
Regards
Colin Perkins
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Hello Colin,
In a few months, you might obtain further details from Familysearch.org (Latter Day Saints site, aka IGI) . I have been indexing records for them for some time now and I have been recently working on Australian Bounty records (or a name something similar; I can't recall the exact name at this time of night!).
Anyway I have indexed many records for the James Pattison....and the years are from 1828 until 1842 so your people will be listed I am sure.
Nina
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Hello Nina
Thank you for your reply. Very interesting - I shall look forward to this extra information.
I have tracked the ship throughout it's (unusually short) career. It was built in London in 1828, and traded to Australia, then returned to UK via India. It perfomred two transportation of convict voyages in 1830 and 1837, took out the Governor Sir James Stirling to Swan River in 1834, some of my ancestors in 1838, and in 1837 from Cork took out the dream cargo for every seafarer - 287 free female emigrants (from England, Scotland and Ireland).
On a return voyage from Australia to England via India, the ship went on fire and was abandoned in the Atlantic 30 September 1840, off the Azores. All on board were saved by a passing ship, the NORVAL, and landed in Lisbon. (I gained a copy of the eye-witness account as published in The Derby Mercury 11th November 1840)
Now trying to acquire a crew-list, and illustration or plan, of the ship.
Kind Regards
Colin Perkins
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Hi Colin,
I saw your post and was interested in your information on the James Pattison.
I am researching an early australian aviator ( Captain Harry Butler) and beleive that his Grandfather sailed out to australia on this vessel ( William Butler 1824) as a 15 or 16 YO Irishman.
Do you have a copy of the passanger list to confirm this or could you point me in the right direction of one.ting out in the research area.
Cheers,
Les Parsons
Also do you know the route and dates of departure and arrival?
Any info would be appreciated as i am just star
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Have just posted this website address for someone else investigating the Woodfords!
http://www.theaustralianafund.org.au/2000_1.html
It seems this may be the only picture in existence, of the "James Pattison"!
For the other Woodford investigation ... see
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,414060.0.html
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I am looking for the Woodford family that arrived on this ship. Hannah arrived I believe with her siblings and parents
Thanking you
Marlene
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Hi Colin
I am researching the Woodford family from Somerset. I believe Hannah born 1820 arrived on the James Pattison in 1838[also listed as arriving on the Fairlie] Her siblings and parents arrived also . Was your Francis chr 30 April 1810 Taunton?
Regards
Marlene
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Hi Marlene
Many thanks for your enquiry which I received a few hours ago. I have been checking my old files and can confirm the following from my research.
Hannah Woodford was born in Taunton, Somerset on 6 Jan 1820 and christened at Paul Street Independant Church, Taunton on 26 July 1820. Parents were Alexander Woodford (b.Wellington, Som 1780; d.1858 NSW Aus.) and Hannah Phippen (b. Taunton 1783; d. 1860 NSW). She was one of six children.
Her brother Francis Woodford (b. 20 Feb 1810 Taunton; m 22 Aug 1830 Taunton; d.12 Oct 1890 NSW, Aus) married my GGGgrandfather's eldest child Elizabeth Perkins (b. 16 Feb 1813 Taunton; d. 12 Jun 1894 NSW)
They sailed from Plymouth, Devon on 28 Aug 1838 and arrived NSW, Aus on 11 Dec 1838 on the 8th voyage of the 'James Pattison'. The ship was built in London in 1828, and sank in the Atlantic in 1840.
Francis and Elizabeth took their four UK born children with them, and were also accompanied by brother William Woodford (1814-1888) and sister Hannah (1820- ?). After arrival in NSW they had six more children.
Alexander and Hannah did not sail with the party in 1838, but sailed out later.
I hope this helps you - please feel free to contact me again.
Kind Regards
Colin Perkins
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Very grateful for your reply , Colin.I had other children for Alexander and Hannah;Samuel Alexander 9 March 1806 chr 13 July1807d. 23 March 1898 Ryde marr. 1864 Sarah Anne SMITH; John 6 Feb 1808 poss died 78y Liverpool 1885;William chr 31 July 1812 [and William 26 Jan 1814 chr 20 May died 1888]; Mary Ann 12 Jan 1816 chr 29 May 1816;Richard chr 13 May 1818;and Charles Edwin chr 14 May 1826 poss died 1899 Wilcannia
Hannah 1820 died 28 June 1877 Qld.
Eliza Annie Jarman Woodford supposedly born c 1852 Sydney died as Robinson 20 July 1895 [F] George Woodford [M]Hannah JARMAN- could find nothing on her parents.My interest is in the children of Eliza Annie and husband William Johnston Robinson. I realize postings on Family Search may not be correct.