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Looking for any information on my greatgrandfather Richard who I believe lived in Wexford. His father was also called Richard.
He was born 1876 and left Ireland with his brother Will to come to South Wales, where he married Rosa Eaton.
Richard died 1934.
Can anyone help??
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From 'The Wexford War Dead' to be published in November;
CARDIFF, PATRICK. Rank: Private. Regiment or Service: Royal Irish Regiment. Unit: 2nd Bn. Age at Death: 22. Date of Death: 19-October-1914. Service No: 4380. Born in Taghmon, Co Wexford. Enlisted in Wexford while living in Taghmon. Killed in Action. Supplementary information; Son of Mrs. Elizabeth Kinsella of Taghmon, Co. Wexford. From an article in the Enniscorthy Guardian; Private Patrick Cardiff, Trinity, has been reported killed in action in Flanders.
He belonged to the 4th Royal Irish and was reported missing on the 19th Oct, 1914. Lately the War Offive have given him up as killed. He was only 24 years of age and was on the special reserve. When the war broke out he was in the employment of Mr Thomas Kendrick, Coolaw, and was drafted out to Flanders in October 1914. There is a photograph of his brother John Cardiff who also served in this newspaper above the article. When war broke out John was in the employment of Mr J Winters, Ballyturtin. He was in the 4th Battalion, Leinster Regiment.
Grave or Memorial Reference: Panel 11 and 12. Memorial: Le Touret Memorial in France.
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An index to Irish Civil Records is available at : http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=2;t=searchable;c=1408347 Full civil registration started in 1864
There are a few matches for Richard's birth around the right time that I see in the index, this is the closest :
Type - birth
Name: Richard John Cardiff
Reg. district: Wexford
year: 1876
vol. : 4 / Page: 993
You can order cert by post from the GRO using the above details - www.groireland.ie
Shane
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Many thanks for your replies, I have no idea who Patrick Cardiff is tho
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Cardiff is quite a rare surname in Co. Wexford .. with 32 households on Giffiths Valuation (1854) and just 6 households (37 people) on the 1911 census..
Taghmon Town is in the registration district of Wexford listed for the birth of Richard so I'd say the chances are quite good that the Patrick Cardiff detailed by enfield could be a relation.
Shane
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That is excellent news!
I am applying for the birth certificate, thank you. :)
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(by kind permission of Noel Farell)
Enniscorthy Roots 1901;
Duffery gate (23)
Cardiff Joseph & Kate; (engine driver) Ellen, Kate, Lizzie, Maggie, Joseph, Annie,
Ross Rd (2)
Cardiff John & Mary;
(included as Cardiff is a rare name in Weford)
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Some Cardiff family history;
Houses of Wexford;
Ballycappogue, Bridgetown;
The house is thought to have benn built about 1850. Cardiff's, who still own the property, have been associated with this address for many generations, certainly since 1700.
Reference can be found to Patrick Cardiff of Ballycappogue in 1853 and again in 1885 as a farmer and landowner, as well as in 'Families of Wexford'. Lewis may well have this place in mind when he wrote in 1837 "There are some good dairy farms in the parish".
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How long does it take for a birth certificate to come back from Wexford to UK?
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How long does it take for a birth certificate to come back from Wexford to UK?
did you order the cert from somewhere in Wexford or from the GRO in Roscommon ?
Orders from the GRO head office (www.groireland.ie) are taking about 4 or 5 weeks at the moment.
Shane
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Hi Shane
The address on the form was to
Civil Registration Office, Office of the Registrar General, Government Offices, Convent Road, Roscommon, Co. Roscommon, Ireland, so I guess another couple of weeks.
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I have a Richard Cardiff born around 1838 in my family tree. He was married to Catherine Rossiter. I've picked up 3 children so far Thomas born 1872 Johanna (my G Grandmother) born 1879 and Catherine born 1882 due to the big gaps between their ages I assume that there were many more children so this could be the father of your Richard Cardiff. They were from Tacumshin in Wexford.
Thanks,
Carol
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Hi Carol
This is very interesting as I know my great grandfather Richards father was also Richard.
Richard Junior came over to Wales with his brother Will.
There are two of Richard Cardiffs children still living my great aunt Catherine Myra and Hilda.
My grandad David John Glanville Cardiff (known as Glan) died 1990.
I am still awaiting a reply from GRO in Wexford.
Thanks
Angela
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I think I've spoken to you on GenesReunited and you have access to my tree and all information that I have.
Thanks,
C
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Shane
I am still waiting for a birth certificate from Wexford GRO, is it normal to have to wait this long?
Thanks
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I have not ordered certs from the GRO by post myself so I dont know exactly how long it takes. From what other people have reported here on rootschat order had recently been taking 4 or 5 weeks.
I suspect that they are receiving a large number of orders from people using the LDS index and are a bit swamped.
did you provide the full index information with your order ?
( Name, Reg. district, year, vol. , page)
Shane
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Thanks Shane, I used the refs you kindly supplied me as I am sure this must be my greatgrandfather.
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Well I am perplexed as today 9th oct I received my certificate, I gave the refs that were so kindly given to me on this site, and I have received a certificate for Richard John Cardiff born 1st Jan 1876 in Main Street Wexford, father John Cardiff occupation Grocer and mother Maria Blake.
I have a copy of my greatgrandfather Richard's marriage certificate and it states his father was Richard Cardiff and his occupation was given as a farm labourer. I put this info on the form with the stats.
What do you think? ???
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What a shame after you have waited so long for it too. Unfortunately we all get the wrong ones occasionally it's just a process of elimination.
I'll have another look at my Cardiff's over the weekend and see if I can try and help you as I am convinced that your Richard is my Johanna's brother.
Carol
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Many thanks :)
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Richard Cardiff married Catherine Rossiter in 1865 Wexford Registration District
Volume 19 Page 523
Found following children
William Cardiff
Birth: 13-Feb-1870 Wexford
Parents: Richard Cardiff and Catherine Rossiter
Thomas Cardiff
Birth: 13-Mar-1872 Wexford
Parents: Richard Cardiff and Catherine Rossiter
Johanna Bridget Cardiff
Birth: 12-Aug-1879 Tacuenehane, Wexford
Parents: Richard Cardiff and Catherine Ropitet Cardiff
Lawerence Cardiff
Birth: 16-Jan-1868
Parents: Richard Cardiff and Catherine Rossiter
Probably your Richard was born in 1874
Richard Cardiff Birth Wexford Registration District Volume 19 Page 891
This appears to be Richard Senior in 1911 Census as if you click on Household Return (Form A) you can see original page. The Thomas Cardiff is an agricultural labourer so would fit the criteria.
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Wexford/Tacumshin/Tacumshin/693990/
For some reason Richard is down as married in Census but i cant find his wife anywhere in Ireland anyway.
In Griffiths Valuation there is three Cardiff's in the area one of these is most likely Richard Senior father. The marriage certificate would confirm probably.
Griffiths was not a census but a survey of those head of households that held/rented land/property.
Griffith's Valuation Co.Wexford 1853
Surname Forename Townland Parish County
Cardiff Laurence Furziestown Tacumshin Wexford
Cardiff Michael Sigginstown Tacumshin Wexford
Cardiff Stephen Tacumshin Tacumshin Wexford
Ger
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Thank you so much for this, it has been a great help to me as well.
I have Richard & Catherine's marriage cert.
Richard's father was Michael.
I think Catherine Cardiff was probably dead by 1911 and Richard was down on the census as married not widowed by mistake.
Thanks again for your help
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Many thanks also.
My Richard was born either 1875/76 he was 26 in the 1901 Wales census and his brother William was born 1872 and he was 29 in the 1901 Wales census.
What is interesting is that my Richard (great granddad) had two daughters Catherine Maud and Hilda Catherine so perhaps the Catherine is for his mother? Also his dad was Richard.
I'm still not sure if my Richard is the same one as yours.
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I think he probably is. Unfortunately you can't take the dates of birth off a census as true as they were rounded up and down by sometimes as much as 5 years.
I'm sure you will find if you ordered the birth certificate of the Richard Cardiff born in 1874 his parents are likely to be Richard & Catherine.
If that is the case then William was actually born in 1870.
I still think that there are some siblings missing as if Richard was born 1874 the next one in the family is Johanna in 1879, there is likely to be at least another one maybe two in between.
The only Richard Cardiff (senior) on the 1911 census is my one and he still had Thomas and Catherine living at home.
Carol
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HI Carol
I will send away for the other certificate, if the census date is not right then, death certifcate and marriage certificate are also out.
It's just frustrating as the GRO takes at least 6 weeks to come back!
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Hi Gerard
Just wondered quote "
Probably your Richard was born in 1874
Richard Cardiff Birth Wexford Registration District Volume 19 Page 891" wouldn't my Richard have appeared with the rest of the Richard/Catherine children? Is it not strange that he was missed off?
Thanks
A
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Hi the source of the births i found was the LDS Mormon site it is hit and miss as to what records are on there. So would not be too concerned as to the fact Richard is missing.
The main thing is that the only Richard Cardiff to have children around that time is the one married to Catherine Rossiter.
Also as for deaths and census records often the date of birth is estimated wrongly usually within two to three years and in some cases even up to five to eight years off.
Ger
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Fingers crossed this time, I have sent away for another certificate and God willing it will show Richard and Catherine as my Great Great Grandparents!
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Good news! Roscommon Office rang me today to clarify something and certificate in post and it does appear that Richard Snr and Catherine are my great great grandparents ;D
Carol is it possible that you have a copy of the marriage cert I can have?
Are you on Ancestry.co.uk
Angela
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Well birth certificate of Richard Cardiff has arrived born 02/10/1874, parents Richard Cardiff and Catherine Ropiter (Rossiter).
It states Richard junior was born in Rathshillane which I cannot seem to find much info on, is this place in Tacumshin anyone?
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Well birth certificate of Richard Cardiff has arrived born 02/10/1874, parents Richard Cardiff and Catherine Ropiter (Rossiter).
It states Richard junior was born in Rathshillane which I cannot seem to find much info on, is this place in Tacumshin anyone?
the townland of Rathshillane is in the Civil parish of Tacumshin.. see the townland database at : www.thecore.com/seanruad
Shane
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Thanks Shane
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I have a Richard Cardiff born around 1838 in my family tree. He was married to Catherine Rossiter. I've picked up 3 children so far Thomas born 1872 Johanna (my G Grandmother) born 1879 and Catherine born 1882 due to the big gaps between their ages I assume that there were many more children so this could be the father of your Richard Cardiff. They were from Tacumshin in Wexford.
Carol
This looks like the Church Parish register entry (Rowe St church - Wexford Town) for the Marriage of your Johanna Cardiff as her father Richard is stated to be resident in Tacumshin. Date: May 31 1906
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Brian J Cantwell's Memorials of the Dead.
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Donoughmore Old;
Cardife Math; 30/9/1830 (53)
James (son); 2/9/1827 (11)
Bridget Doyle; 1947 (70)
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Cardiff Michael; 28/6/1856 (30)
Cardiff John; 24/10/1964 (94) ( Monmore)
Bridget (wife); 24/10/1970 (83)
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Cardife Bridget; 16/6/1826 (93)
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St Francis Church RC ( Franciscan)
Sinnott Anastasia (nee CARDIFF) 20/7/1810 (49)
Richard (hus); 1/5/1819 (61)
Pettit Elizabeth (nee Sinnott); 17/7/1836 (64)
Sinnott Mary; 21/4/1862
Sinnott John; 17/3/1862
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Grange;
Kelly Ann Marie; (nee Hayes); 2/7/1925 (40)
Gregory (hus); 9/3/1945 (63)
Mother; Anastasia Kelly; 6/3/1927 (72)
CARDIFF Desmond; 26/10/1946 (8) grandson of Gregory Kelly.
Kelly Mathew; 5/5/1949 (67)
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Coney Anne; 15/3/1847 (54)
(wife of Thomas CARDIFF of West Bog)
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Cardiff Mary (alias Haydon); 14/4/1820 (64)
CARDIFF Andrew; 11/2/1829 (76)
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Cardiff John; 4/11/1825 (44)
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Cardiff John; 4/2/1791 (86)
Cardiff Ann; (alias Doyle); 15/10/1782 (76)
James (son); 25/7/1795 (59)
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Cardiff Patrick; 13/12/1903 (89) Ballycapogue
Ellen (wife); 30/4/1921 (86)
Cardiff Richard (gson); 2/9/1928 (2)
John (son); 8/6/1954 (83)
Cardiff Patricia Ann; 13/12/1957 (2)
Cardiff Mary Ellen; 21/7/1977 (93)
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Codd James; 23/10/1870 (69)
Mary (wife) (nee CARDIFF); 20/3/1887 (74)
also their childen; Nicholas-Anastasia-Nicholas-Walter-Mary-William
also Maryalice (gchild); 14/4/1887 (14)
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Tacumshane-Churchtown;
Pierce Mary (alias CARDIFF); 24/4/1854 (63)
her children;
Catherine; 22/12/1849 (25)
Margaret; 11/12/1853 (15)
Thomas; 24/3/1854 (21)
Parents;
Cardiff William; 21/8/1822 (70)
Cardiff Margaret (alias Rossiter); May 1826 (68)
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Tomhaggard Old;
Cardiff Mary (Lingstown); 21/5/1799 (15)
Cardiff George; 15/5/1810 (57)
John (son); 9/10/1834 (52)
Cardiff John; 1774
Cardiff Mary (Bargy); ??/ (75)
Barry Mary
Herron John; 1/7/1839 (40)
Herron Eleanor;??? (81)
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Jack
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many thanks for this :)
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Hi,
I'm not a relative but I have been tracking this line as part of my Rossiter one name study.Just wondered if anyone has any info on Catherine please?
I believe her parents to be Denis Rossiter & Bridget Stafford but have little on them. Not sure if Catherine had any siblings.Does anyone know please?
Any info would be greatly appreciated.TIA.
Best wishes, rcuser
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Hi
Catherine is my great great grandmother born 1843 Ireland and died 1908. Her brother was James born 1845 died 1916.
My great great great grandfather Denis Rossiter born 1819 and his wife Bridget Stafford born 1823, still researching but have a private tree on ancestry.co.uk.
regards
Angela
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Hi Adey/Angela,
Thanks for that. If I turn up anything useful I'll let you know.
Best wishes, rcuser
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Many thanks, look forward to it!
Angela
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Hi there,
I know this thread is a bit old but am hoping some of you are still about. My great-great-great-great-grandmother was named Mary Cardiff and was married to John Lowe White of Tacumshane (County Surveyor for Wexford and Wicklow). John Lowe White died 2 Jn 1893 in Ballycushlane, Lady's Island. His parents were John Lowe White and Dorothea Boxwell. I have a good bit of info on the White/Boxwell side of things but can't seem to find anything else on Mary Cardiff. No idea of DOB, would have been probably somewhere between 1800 and 1825 based on ages of her children. I know she died before her husband (so before 1893).
If any of this ties in with any of your Cardiffs I'd love to hear from you!
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Hi there,
I know this thread is a bit old but am hoping some of you are still about. My great-great-great-great-grandmother was named Mary Cardiff and was married to John Lowe White of Tacumshane (County Surveyor for Wexford and Wicklow). John Lowe White died 2 Jn 1893 in Ballycushlane, Lady's Island. His parents were John Lowe White and Dorothea Boxwell. I have a good bit of info on the White/Boxwell side of things but can't seem to find anything else on Mary Cardiff. No idea of DOB, would have been probably somewhere between 1800 and 1825 based on ages of her children. I know she died before her husband (so before 1893).
If any of this ties in with any of your Cardiffs I'd love to hear from you!
Hi sorry for being away for so long! I have not found a Mary Cardiff yet however my Cardiffs are from Tacumshane and Our Lady's Island so there is a huge possibility they are from the same family - I will do some more research - Angela Adey (Adey)