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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Lanarkshire => Topic started by: Alfy Campbell on Sunday 16 August 09 01:22 BST (UK)
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Hi i was wondering if any one would be so kind and try a search for a
Thomas Campbell
Elizabeth Campbell
James Campbell
Lanark Glasgow Calton
Any info or help would be very helpful
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Hello
any ages or places of birth?
There are these Campbells
Registration number 644/3
Bridgeton
Glasgow Calton
Lanarkshire
address 20 St Oswald Street
Thomas Campbell age 50 carpet weaver all born Glasgow
Elizabeth age 40
John age 16 Carpet weavers assistant
Elizabeth age 10
David age 7
James age 5
Archibald age 8 months
42 James and 36 Elizabeths and 11 Thomas's in the Glasgow Calton area.
Pam
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The only thing i had to go on was the james born 1866 is that the 71 cencus
Thank you for getting back so quick
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Sorry it is the 1871 census.
Pam
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Ther are 9 James Campbell of that age 5 Glagow Calton .
James is the only one of that age with Thomas and Elizabeth in Glasgow Calton
There is a James age 5 with Thomas born Ayrshire who is a baker and Isabella with Elizabeth Duncan mother in law.
Pam
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thanks im only starting being at it now for about a week so im still learning
I cant seem to find the marriage for Thomas and Elizabeth going by info passed on to me are they married on that cencus?
Where were they born?
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Hello
As I have said
Thomas and wife Elizabeth and Family are all born Glasgow.
If this is the correct family. Cannot find them 1861
Pam
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could you try this for me 235 Nuneaton Street, Glasgow i think that might be later on
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Hello
I cannot view the oringinal to see the ages
1881 Glasgow
235 Nuneaton Street
Thomas Campbell age 64 light weaver born Glasgow
Elizabeth wife age 40?? Glasgow cotton mill winder
Elizabeth dau age 20 Glasgow Cotton Mill winder
David son age 17 Glasgow printfield lab
James son age 13 scholar Glasgow
Archibald son age 11 scholar Glasgow
Pam
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Thankyou pam
That has to be them
What do yo mean by view originals?
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Hello
With the paid site I am with, I can take a look at the original English and Welsh census pages. But with the Scottish census I can only see what was transcribed. So if the transcriber put age 40 instead of 50 and spelt the name wrongly from the census page I cannot see it.
Elizabeth is age 40 on 1871 and 1881 James is age 5 1871 and age 13 1881. Instead of age 15 could be one died and another was names James.
Pam
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Thank you pam you info is most helpful
what site are you with?
I done a quick search for John seems as his birth was Blthyswood
Would that be different area completly
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Hi Alfy
I think Pam's census entries seem to be correct ones from the info you have :) These are the children showing on IGI at www.familysearch.org to a Thomas Campbell and Elizabeth (her maiden name is also Campbell):
1. JOHN CAMPBELL Birth: 27 JUL 1856 Blythswood, Glasgow
2. ELIZABETH CAMPBELL Birth: 30 OCT 1861 Bridgeton, Glasgow
3. DAVID CAMPBELL Birth: 18 DEC 1863 Bridgeton, Glasgow
4. JAMES CAMPBELL Birth: 22 APR 1866 Calton, Glasgow
5. ARCHIBALD CAMPBELL Birth: 07 AUG 1870 Bridgeton, Glasgow
The birth certificates are available to view on line at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk
I cannot see a marriage for Thomas and Elizabeth on IGI and the only one showing on Scotlands People is in 1890 in Glasgow City which is too late you would think. If you check one of the childrens' birth certs. post 1862 (James is the most relevant) it should show place and date of marriage.
Given the birth of John in 1856, Thomas and Elizabeth may have married before the start of official registration in Scotland in 1855 which might explain why their marriage doesn't show on the statutory register after this date. The birth cert of James will hopefully help with this.
Monica
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A great 1874 map of Glasgow showing registration districts to give you an idea of where the different areas were:
www.douglasbrown.co.uk/glw74map.html
Monica
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Given the age difference between Thomas and Elizabeth, I am wondering whether Thomas may have been on to second marriage with Elizabeth? There is this possible entry in 1861:
Thomas Campbell 45, cotton weaver
Elizabeth Campbell 31
Thomas Campbell 5
Mony (?spl) Campbell 20, daughter
Address: 18 xxxx?, Bridgeton, Glasgow Calton
There are a couple of possible 1861 entries for a John Campbell born c. 1856/7 in Glasgow staying with Campbell grandparents (likely Elizabeth's parents?)
Monica
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Thankyou between the people who have commented on this post i am learning more and more every day. thanks
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monica
for the John living with the grand parent was there names David and Janet?
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The entries in 1861 for a John Campbell born c. 1856 Glasgow with grandparents, can't see one with a David and Janet unfortunately :-\ They are a John and Janet Campbell, and a John and Alice Campbell.
Monica
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ok back to the drawing board see what ive done wrong somewhere :-[
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Never did get any further with this.
Thomas parents names were a John Campbell and Francis Forrester, from his death cert, Elizabeth parents David Campbell and Janet Chalmers. I never did find Thomas birth or Marriage certs, but was able to find his parents marriage cert in 1800, you could be right about a 2nd marriage for Thomas but never seen it on his death cert, I'm wondering if this was the correct Thomas in the 1861 census with his father and possibly a 2nd marriage for him.
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Hi Alfie :)
Gosh it has been a while!
Did you ever check either James or Archibald's birth certs to see what details were given re their parents' marriage? Date and place of marriage are normally included on birth certs from the early 1860s.
Monica
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Hi M it’s really doing my head in on my GG papa it say November 1855 on His Brother it says 22/11/54 I have checked old records also. But nothing I think the Search for John Campbell is a census 1861 in Bridgeton aged 5 but ran out of credits on Scots people.
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Given we haven't been able to find anything for their marriage so far likely they married before 1855 and the start of official registration.
What was Elizabeth's father David's occupation? Mason? I thought this might be her with family in 1841:
David Campbell 45 mason
Janet Campbell 45
John Campbell 21
Jean Campbell 13
Elizabeth Campbell 11
Christian Campbell 8
Janet Campbell 4
Thomas Campbell 14 Months
Address: Sterlings Road, Barony
Monica
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I can’t make it out on her death I tried sending a photo of it but it’s to big to send
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I’ve tried to attach image
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Thanks Alfie.
Yes, David Campbell is showing as a Mason Journeyman on Elizabeth's death cert. So, does look like the 1841 census is very likely her with her family.
Monica
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Thank you Monica for the confirmation, I’m not great at reading the old writing. I have done search on Scots people for a John
son of Thomas and Elizabeth Campbell aged 5 in Bridgeton 1861 census, this is where Elizabeth daughter is born late 1861, but I haven’t bought it yet.
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Update from David Campbell and Janet chalmers child Christina married
George Hodge in 23 rd Nov 1855 Old monkland both parents deceased. Christina and husband are buried in Globe cem her oldest daughters husband, Thomas Notman was the owner of the lair 75/76 section DC.
As for Thomas Campbell I found his brothers death John Campbell who died in bridgeton 27th Apr 1867 address given as 118 Abercromby street. A son called Colin signed for the death. Johns wife name was Christina Wright can’t find any children’s births as yet.
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Hi Alfy
Nice to see you back again ;)
This looks to be the marriage (or banns) for John Cambell and Christina Wright in 1826 www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:XTTP-PXN
Have you seen this www.familysearch.org/tree/pedigree/landscape/9Q84-SLH (could well be yours!).
Monica
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Possible 1841 census entry for John Campbell, wife Christina and children www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a14e77bf4040b9d6eee58d0/colin-campbell-1841-lanarkshire-barony-1838-?locale=en
And 1851 www.freecen.org.uk/search_records/5a150fe6f4040b9d6e1b0fd8/colin-campbell-1851-lanarkshire-barony-1838-?locale=en
Maybe some connected deaths in Bridgeton (Colin died in 1907 in Bridgeton):
1880 Margaret CAMPBELL age 51 Mother's MN Wright
1886 Catherine CAMPBELL, age 55. Mother's MN Wright
Monica
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I think this is John in 1861, his last census before his death:
James Barr 54
James Barr 32
John Barr 20
Margaret Barr 14
Elizabeth Barr 13
Mary Barr 10
John Campbell 60 Brother-in-law Cotton Weaver b. Glasgow
Address: 62 Rottenrow, Glasgow/ Central
There is a marriage/banns for an Ann Campbell and a James Barr on 17 May 1835 in Glasgow. Might be a sister to Thomas and John?
There is a death for an Ann Campbell/Barr in Blackfriars in 1888. Aged 84 and mother's maiden name of Tennant :-\ so not sure about this therefore. Can't see another possible death so far though.
Monica
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Hi Monica once again thank you for your help and leads, I have seen your first reply as for a sister Ann I’m not sure, the issue I came across with John Campbell and Francis forrester is my own Thomas Campbell there sons birth can be found so possibly more children than John, James, Lillias and Colin.
On ancestry I’m connected three dna to a Colin Campbell but his death cert his parents are John Campbell and euphoniua forrest. As for the son john I mentioned on the forum on Lanarkshire page where is William looks promising for other children of him going by the address. The Campbells didn’t make it easy specially when your 3x great grandparents were both Campbells.
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Hi Alfie, can I ask, where is Thomas's mother reported as Frances rather than Euphemia? I can't see either name (Frances or Euphemia) coming up for the naming of a daughter for any of the children you know about. Might be an error somewhere on reporting.
Just seen on someone's tree the DC for Colin who died in Bridgeton, married to Elizabeth Gray. Mother showing as Euphemia on that cert.
The death of John, also in 1864 and Bridgeton, mother showed also as Euphemia didn't she?
Monica
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Hi Monica John Campbell who Married Christina Wright death was 27th April 1867 Bridgeton address given as 118 Abercrombie at. Parents John Campbell Frances Forrester
Thomas Campbell death who married Elizabeth Campbell. 19 Aug 1892 a widower. Barnhill poorhouse. Parents John Campbell Frances Forrester
Colin Campbell who married Elizabeth Gray died 2 Sep 1867 address 31 Dale st Bridgeton ( this is the one with John Campbell & euphenia Forrest). The two DNA connections to me on Ancestry.
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I found a new sister for them...Catherine:
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Colin Campbell who married Elizabeth Gray died 2 Sep 1867 address 31 Dale st Bridgeton ( this is the one with John Campbell & euphenia Forrest). The two DNA connections to me on Ancestry.
If Colin's death reg is the only one that mentions mother as Euphemia, could well be an error by informant perhaps.
Monica
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Colin's 1803 baptism in the OPRs clearly shows his mum as Frances:
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Monica that’s what I was thinking but the dna sort of convinced me. As for the Catherine what an amazing find I had no idea of her. It does possibly explain the brother John naming one of his daughters Catherine
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In terms of the children I am seeing following the 1800 marriage of parents:
John b. 1800 - 1867, m. Christina Wright
James b. 1802 - ?, m. Elizabeth?
Colin b. 1803 - 1867 m. Elizabeth Gray. Showing as 3rd child in the OPRs
Lillias b. 1806 - ? Showing as 4th child in the OPRs
Catherine b. circa 1810 - 1876 m. John Richardson
Thomas b. circa 1811 - 1892 m. Elizabeth Campbell
Monica
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I found a new sister for them...Catherine:
The address Tobago street rings a bell I need to look but I have something possibly pariah relief with this on it.
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118 Abercromby Street seems also important as you thought.
These are the Richardsons in 1851:
John Richardson 38 Hand Loom Weaver
Catherine Campbell 40
John Richardson Jr. 9
Margaret Richardson 5
Catherine Richardson 3
Address: 118 Abercromby St
In Tobago Street by 1861.
John Richardson and Catherine Campbell's marriage/banns showing on 27 Jan 1839 in Glasgow.
Monica
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Monica thank you again the thread forum where is William Campbell Seems likely to be a connection also the research goes on and the bug is back lol
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Just adding a link to it in case anyone want a look at it www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=740760.0
Monica