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Title: 1861 / 1871 lookup plz
Post by: Alfy Campbell on Sunday 16 August 09 01:22 BST (UK)
Hi i was wondering if any one would be so kind and try a search for a

Thomas Campbell
Elizabeth Campbell
James Campbell

Lanark Glasgow Calton

Any info or help would be very helpful
Title: Re: 1861 / 1871 lookup plz
Post by: down-under on Sunday 16 August 09 01:42 BST (UK)
Hello

any ages or places of birth?

There are these Campbells

Registration number 644/3
Bridgeton
Glasgow Calton
Lanarkshire
address 20 St Oswald Street

Thomas Campbell age 50 carpet weaver all born Glasgow
Elizabeth age 40
John age 16 Carpet weavers assistant
Elizabeth age 10
David age 7
James age 5
Archibald age 8 months


42 James and 36 Elizabeths and 11 Thomas's in the Glasgow Calton area.


Pam
Title: Re: 1861 / 1871 lookup plz
Post by: Alfy Campbell on Sunday 16 August 09 01:51 BST (UK)
The only thing i had to go on was the james born 1866 is that the 71 cencus

Thank you for getting back so quick
Title: Re: 1861 / 1871 lookup plz
Post by: down-under on Sunday 16 August 09 01:52 BST (UK)
Sorry it is the 1871 census.

Pam
Title: Re: 1861 / 1871 lookup plz
Post by: down-under on Sunday 16 August 09 01:57 BST (UK)

Ther are 9 James Campbell of that  age 5 Glagow Calton .

James  is the only one of that age with Thomas and Elizabeth in Glasgow Calton

There is a James age 5 with Thomas born Ayrshire who is a baker  and Isabella with Elizabeth Duncan mother in law.


Pam
Title: Re: 1861 / 1871 lookup plz
Post by: Alfy Campbell on Sunday 16 August 09 01:59 BST (UK)
thanks im only starting being at it now for about a week so im still learning

I cant seem to find the marriage for Thomas and Elizabeth going by info passed on to me are they married on that cencus? †
Where were they born?

Title: Re: 1861 / 1871 lookup plz
Post by: down-under on Sunday 16 August 09 02:10 BST (UK)
Hello
As I have said

Thomas and wife Elizabeth and Family are all born Glasgow.

If this is the correct family. Cannot find them 1861

Pam
Title: Re: 1861 / 1871 lookup plz
Post by: Alfy Campbell on Sunday 16 August 09 02:15 BST (UK)
could you try this for me 235 Nuneaton Street, Glasgow i think that might be later on

Title: Re: 1861 / 1871 lookup plz
Post by: down-under on Sunday 16 August 09 02:21 BST (UK)
Hello
I cannot view the oringinal to see the ages

1881 Glasgow

235 Nuneaton Street

Thomas Campbell age 64 light weaver  born Glasgow
Elizabeth wife age 40?? Glasgow cotton mill winder
Elizabeth dau age 20 Glasgow Cotton Mill winder
David son age 17 Glasgow printfield lab
James son age 13 scholar Glasgow
Archibald son age 11 scholar Glasgow

Pam
Title: Re: 1861 / 1871 lookup plz
Post by: Alfy Campbell on Sunday 16 August 09 02:25 BST (UK)
Thankyou pam
That has to be them
What do yo mean by view originals?
Title: Re: 1861 / 1871 lookup plz
Post by: down-under on Sunday 16 August 09 02:48 BST (UK)
Hello

With the paid site I am with, I can take a look at the original English and Welsh census pages. But with the Scottish census I can only see what was transcribed. So if the transcriber put age 40 instead of 50 and spelt the name wrongly from the census page I cannot see it.
 Elizabeth is age 40 on 1871 and 1881 James is age 5 1871 and age 13 1881. Instead of age 15 could be one died and another was names James.

Pam
Title: Re: 1861 / 1871 lookup plz
Post by: Alfy Campbell on Sunday 16 August 09 02:54 BST (UK)
Thank you pam you info is most helpful

what site are you with?

I done a quick search for John seems as his birth was Blthyswood

Would that be different area completly
Title: Re: 1861 / 1871 lookup plz
Post by: MonicaL on Sunday 16 August 09 12:45 BST (UK)
Hi Alfy

I think Pam's census entries seem to be correct ones from the info you have† :) These are the children showing on IGI at www.familysearch.org to a Thomas Campbell and Elizabeth (her maiden name is also Campbell):

1. JOHN CAMPBELL Birth: 27 JUL 1856 Blythswood, Glasgow
2. ELIZABETH CAMPBELL Birth: 30 OCT 1861 Bridgeton, Glasgow
3. DAVID CAMPBELL Birth: 18 DEC 1863 Bridgeton, Glasgow
4. JAMES CAMPBELL Birth: 22 APR 1866 Calton, Glasgow
5. ARCHIBALD CAMPBELL† Birth: 07 AUG 1870 Bridgeton, Glasgow

The birth certificates are available to view on line at www.scotlandspeople.gov.uk

I cannot see a marriage for Thomas and Elizabeth on IGI and the only one showing on Scotlands People is in 1890 in Glasgow City which is too late you would think. If you check one of the childrens' birth certs. post 1862 (James is the most relevant) it should show place and date of marriage.

Given the birth of John in 1856, Thomas and Elizabeth may have married before the start of official registration in Scotland in 1855 which might explain why their marriage doesn't show on the statutory register after this date. The birth cert of James will hopefully help with this.

Monica




Title: Re: 1861 / 1871 lookup plz
Post by: MonicaL on Sunday 16 August 09 12:47 BST (UK)
A great 1874 map of Glasgow showing registration districts to give you an idea of where the different areas were:

www.douglasbrown.co.uk/glw74map.html

Monica
Title: Re: 1861 / 1871 lookup plz
Post by: MonicaL on Sunday 16 August 09 13:03 BST (UK)
Given the age difference between Thomas and Elizabeth, I am wondering whether Thomas may have been on to second marriage with Elizabeth? There is this possible entry in 1861:

Thomas Campbell 45, cotton weaver
Elizabeth Campbell 31
Thomas Campbell 5
Mony (?spl) Campbell 20, daughter

Address: 18 xxxx?, Bridgeton, Glasgow Calton

There are a couple of possible 1861 entries for a John Campbell born c. 1856/7 in Glasgow staying with Campbell grandparents (likely Elizabeth's parents?)

Monica
Title: Re: 1861 / 1871 lookup plz
Post by: Alfy Campbell on Sunday 16 August 09 20:04 BST (UK)
Thankyou between the people who have commented on this post i am learning more and more every day. thanks
Title: Re: 1861 / 1871 lookup plz
Post by: Alfy Campbell on Sunday 16 August 09 20:12 BST (UK)
monica
for the John living with the grand parent was there names David and Janet?
Title: Re: 1861 / 1871 lookup plz
Post by: MonicaL on Sunday 16 August 09 21:42 BST (UK)
The entries in 1861 for a John Campbell born c. 1856 Glasgow with grandparents, can't see one with a David and Janet unfortunately  :-\ They are a John and Janet Campbell, and a John and Alice Campbell.

Monica
Title: Re: 1861 / 1871 lookup plz
Post by: Alfy Campbell on Sunday 16 August 09 22:56 BST (UK)
ok back to the drawing board see what ive done wrong somewhere  :-[
Title: Re: 1861 / 1871 lookup plz
Post by: Alfy Campbell on Friday 26 October 18 16:45 BST (UK)
Never did get any further with this.

Thomas parents names were a John Campbell and Francis Forrester, from his death cert, Elizabeth parents David Campbell and Janet Chalmers.  I never did find Thomas birth or Marriage certs, but was able to find his parents marriage cert in 1800, you could be right about a 2nd marriage for Thomas but never seen it on his death cert, I'm wondering if this was the correct Thomas in the 1861 census with his father and possibly a 2nd marriage for him.
Title: Re: 1861 / 1871 lookup plz
Post by: MonicaL on Friday 26 October 18 21:28 BST (UK)
Hi Alfie  :)

Gosh it has been a while!

Did you ever check either James or Archibald's birth certs to see what details were given re their parents' marriage? Date and place of marriage are normally included on birth certs from the early 1860s.

Monica
Title: Re: 1861 / 1871 lookup plz
Post by: Alfy Campbell on Friday 26 October 18 21:42 BST (UK)
Hi M itís really doing my head in on my GG papa it say November 1855 on His Brother it says 22/11/54 I have checked old records also.  But nothing I think the Search for John Campbell is a census 1861 in Bridgeton aged 5 but ran out of credits on Scots people.
Title: Re: 1861 / 1871 lookup plz
Post by: MonicaL on Friday 26 October 18 21:55 BST (UK)
Given we haven't been able to find anything for their marriage so far likely they married before 1855 and the start of official registration.

What was Elizabeth's father David's occupation? Mason? I thought this might be her with family in 1841:

David Campbell 45 mason
Janet Campbell 45
John Campbell 21
Jean Campbell 13
Elizabeth Campbell 11
Christian Campbell 8
Janet Campbell 4
Thomas Campbell 14 Months

Address: Sterlings Road, Barony

Monica
Title: Re: 1861 / 1871 lookup plz
Post by: Alfy Campbell on Friday 26 October 18 22:32 BST (UK)
I canít make it out on her death I tried sending a photo of it but itís to big to send
Title: Re: 1861 / 1871 lookup plz
Post by: Alfy Campbell on Friday 26 October 18 22:39 BST (UK)
Iíve tried to attach image
Title: Re: 1861 / 1871 lookup plz
Post by: MonicaL on Friday 26 October 18 23:44 BST (UK)
Thanks Alfie.

Yes, David Campbell is showing as a Mason Journeyman on Elizabeth's death cert. So,  does look like the 1841 census is very likely her with her family.

Monica
Title: Re: 1861 / 1871 lookup plz
Post by: Alfy Campbell on Saturday 27 October 18 08:58 BST (UK)
Thank you Monica for the confirmation, Iím not great at reading the old writing.  I have done search on Scots people for a  John
son of Thomas and Elizabeth  Campbell aged 5 in Bridgeton 1861 census, this is where Elizabeth  daughter  is born late 1861, but I havenít bought it yet.