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Scotland (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Scotland => Roxburghshire => Topic started by: Lockzie on Thursday 20 August 09 09:13 BST (UK)
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Hello Fellow Researchers :)
I have started researching the SCOTT family originally from Yarrow but now around the Hobkirk, Hawick and Yetholm areas
My SCOTT'S are:
Robert SCOTT - 21 November 1815.
Walter SCOTT - 14 February 1818
George SCOTT - 17 August 1820 died 16 April 1857 in Hawick flesher. (My direct line)
Agnes SCOTT - 11 September 1823
Isabella SCOTT - 26 November 1826
There were possibly 2 other sons called John and James
The aboves parents were Robert SCOTT 1786 - 1863 and Agnes MITCHELL c1782 - 1857.
Robert SCOTT - 1786 - 1863 parents were John SCOTT and Mary GRIEVE
I am stuck with John SCOTT and Mary GRIEVE, they married in Hawick on 13 January 1781. Robert SCOTT b. 1786 is the only child I am aware of, thats all I know about them! I would love to know some more about them like did they have other children, when did they die etc
Has anyone else been tracing their SCOTT family and come across this family please?
Would love to hear from you
Many thanks
Amanda
Researching
Fife - Glass
Rox - Glass, Scott, Mitchell, Fiddes, Grieve, Telfer, Johnston, Laidlaw
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Hello Lockzie. I thought I'd let you know that I'm also looking for Scotts in Rox and Selkirk. What I find interesting is my Scotts have all the same forenames as yours. Coincidence? My earliest is the marriage record of William Scott stating he was from Yarrow. In 1826 he was 26 and married Mary Scott (20) of Ashkirk. Mary was the daughter of John Scott (born about 1765) and Helen or Nellie Scott (born about 1770).
I have some informaiton on John and Helen's children: George (b:1792), John (b:1797), Margaret (b:1800), Mary (b:1806) and William (b:1810).
I also have information on William and Mary's 6 children, William, John, Robert, George, Alexander and Walter (born from 1826 to 1846) mostly in Ashkirk.
Do any of these names and dates show up in your research?
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Re: Agnes SCOTT - 11 September 1823
I'm not actively doing research however I do have an Agnes Scott who may be yours. Mine d. 23 Feb 1878 - m. 23 Jul 1834 to Thomas Whiting he d. 5 Apr 1910. Their daughter Margaret b.18 Mar 1837 relates to my family. Hope this helps Amanda.
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My great grandfather was a Matthew Little Robson Scott of Hawick. He emigrated to Wyoming and shows up on a voting register in 1911. He was married to Anne Adam and was one of four brothers I think. His father was a Robert Scott who had a sheep farm in Hawick. I'm looking for connections as well in order to connect to family.
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I also have many Grieve's and some Scotts of Hawick, you may fine this site useful
www.genealogy.jejik.co.uk/Grieve/appendixd.html
Ned
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hi i don't know if this helps but i have two scots in my line they are
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Robert Scott 1789 - 1872 Born: Roberton, Roxburgh, Scotland Died: Wilton, Roxburgh, Scotland
Robert's Family Parents
John Scott 1760 -
Helen Elsington
Siblings sadly i don't have any :'( still a work in progress
Spouse Helen Oliver 1798 - 1855
Children with Helen Oliver:
Helen Scot 1821 - which again is the only child :'( haven't got any further
helen scot married John Mason 1804 -
there children
Josephine Masone 1841 -
Margaret Mason 1844 -
Susan Mason 1846 -
Helen Mason 1849 -
John Mason 1852 -
Robert Mason 1854 -
Elizabeth Mason 1855 -
Jane S Mason 1859 -
Wilhelmina T Mason 1862 -
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Josephine Masone1841 -
Born: Colinton, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland
she married
Spouse James Moodie 1839 - 1861 again this is my line
Children with James Moodie:
Robert Moodie 1865 - 1932
William Moodie 1869 -
Margaret Moodie 1871 -
Josephine Moodie 1873 -
James Moodie 1875 -
Isabella Moodie 1877 -
Susan Moodie 1880 -
hope this helps you??
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Does anyone have information of a Richard Turnbull Scott, born Hawick 1915?
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Concerning Richard Turnbull Scott born Hawick 1915.
This person was my late Father. He died in 1974. He had married Christina Grace Strachan in 1951 and had four sons, i.e. Richard, Christopher John, Francis William and Michael Strachan.
Dad had been a Captain in the Royal Engineers in Crete (Army No, 151774) and had been captured and sent to Oflag v11-B (POW No. 3338). A story persists that they were so hungry that they ate one of the guard dogs.
After war he became a very senior Civil Engineer in Nigeria (Chief Civil Engineer Northern Nigeria) subsequently being awarded O.B.E. and F.I.C.E. before his return to England in 1966. We subsequently lived in Newcastle upon Tyne until his death in 1974. Our mother died in 2005 aged 86.
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I can claim some distant Scott relatives in Hawick. Probably no relation to other Scotts mentioned above.
My 3 x great-grandmother Martha Welsh had an illegitimate daughter called Jane Smeaton. In 1866 Jane had an illegitimate son called John. Initially he was John Smeaton, but in 1897 he married Annie Smith and on his marriage-certificate he is "John Smeaton or Scott". He gives his reputed father as John Scott, farm servant.
John Smeaton/Scott and Annie Smith had a son called James Dryden Scott in 1902 and in 1935 he married Frances Anderson.
I thought it might be fun to try and find out who John Scott, farm servant, was, with the help of Scotlandspeople. It might seem like a needle and haystack job to look for a John Scott in Hawick, but the fact that he was a farm servant in an industrial town of millworkers should make it easier to find the right John Scott.
As his illegitimate son was born in 1866 I looked for this John Scott in the 1871 census. There were 7 men of the name in Hawick parish and 5 in Wilton. But only one was a farm servant. I found him living in Pathhead, Wilton, just before Langlands Road. He was 48 and unmarried, and living with his widowed mother Agnes Scott and brother Adam Scott, 29. Luckily, although John and Adam were both born before 1855, their parents had taken the trouble to register their births. John was born in 1823 and Adam in 1841 to Robert Scott, stockingmaker, and Agnes Turnbull.
John Scott died in 1927, still unmarried, but through his son John Smeaton or Scott he probably has descendants at the present day.
Harry
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Hi there, I am a Smeaton and my ancestors came from Hawick. My dates match during the time they stayed there. Could you tell me any info on Jane?
Kind regards
F Smeaton
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Hello. I just got back from a week's holiday in the south of France today and am getting to grips with my emails.
I'm going to attach the death certificate of Jane Smeaton or Nicholson. Assuming I do it correctly, you will see that her "reputed father" is given as James Smeaton, a woollen knitwear worker. That could maybe be a new line of research for you? I don't think the name was all that common in Hawick.
Jane was one of the six illegitimate children of Martha Welsh, a seamstress in Hawick. I'm descended from her eldest child, James Stewart (her children all had different surnames!), who married a girl from Northern Ireland called Agnes Pettigrew.
Martha Welsh was born in 1803 in Wilton, Hawick, to Thomas Welsh, coachman to Gilbert Chisholm Esq. of Stirches, and his wife Jean Ballantyne. Thomas and Jean were married in 1795 in Glasgow. She was a "residenter" of Glasgow but Thomas was a soldier stationed there with the Hopetoun Fencibles, a sort of home guard regiment. I think he was the Thomas born in 1775 at Castleton in Roxb. to Thomas Welsh and Agnes Hall. Most of what I know about Thomas was gleaned from the Wanted notice published in the Edinburgh Courant and Kelso Mail in July 1808, when the procurator fiscal's office in Hawick were interested in his whereabouts (a long story).
Harry
P.S. I've just had a warning that I can't post the Jane Smeaton death certificate as an attachment as it's a TIF file, which Rootschat obviously doesn't like.
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Cheers for getting back to me. Hmm thought you mentioned in past posts that her father was John Smeaton? If its James, do you know when James was born and do you know his parents names? I'm thinking he could be a potential relative. What dates was he living in Hawick? Mine were early 1860s.
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Jane Smeaton's alleged father was a James Smeaton, and Jane herself had an illegitimate son called John Smeaton, also known as John Scott after his alleged father. An awful lot of allegations! I haven't bothered tracing the Smeatons any further as my descent is from Jane's half-brother James Stewart, and I'm not descended from the Smeatons.
Harry
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Ah right. Would've been interesting to know.
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remember that Scott is one of the most common names in Hawick and surrounding area, and generally follow the traditional Scottish naming patterns, hence several with the same name around the same age over several generations. Remember to check the middle name too as they can give clues to the material line.
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I too am tracing my family tree, Scott's these came from the Roberton area, Beatrix Scott married a Walter Thomson, they had Marion born 1859. If this is any help.
Pauline
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I have Robert Scott who was a Miller, probably in Wilton where his daughter was born. He had 2 boys and 2 girls with Janet Buckhorn between 1786 and 1792.
His daughter Mary Scott married a James Murray in 1803.
My interest is the address of the Mill (corn mill/flour mill?).
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My great grandfather was a Matthew Little Robson Scott of Hawick. He emigrated to Wyoming and shows up on a voting register in 1911. He was married to Anne Adam and was one of four brothers I think. His father was a Robert Scott who had a sheep farm in Hawick. I'm looking for connections as well in order to connect to family.
Where did the Little and Robson names come from? I have these surnames in my family tree from the borders.
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I have a Robert Scott b1785 Minto married to an Agnes Mitchel b1781 Wilton in my tree? Would these be the same as your Scotts?
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Hi! I am not sure about my Robert Scott (born approx 1790). I haven't followed his line. His father Robert was a Miller in Wilton (mother ?Janet Buckhorn?) so I assumed he was born there. I could be wildly wrong of course. It is his sister Mary I am following who married a James Murray. I don't have a wife for him so you could be right.
I hope you are!
Regards
Yvonne
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Oh ok. My Scott's correspond with Lockzie I think. Quite a few dates are the same and names.
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Ok.
Good luck with your reseRch!
Yvonne
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Hello Fellow Researchers :)
I have started researching the SCOTT family originally from Yarrow but now around the Hobkirk, Hawick and Yetholm areas
My SCOTT'S are:
Robert SCOTT - 21 November 1815.
Walter SCOTT - 14 February 1818
George SCOTT - 17 August 1820 died 16 April 1857 in Hawick flesher. (My direct line)
Agnes SCOTT - 11 September 1823
Isabella SCOTT - 26 November 1826
There were possibly 2 other sons called John and James
The aboves parents were Robert SCOTT 1786 - 1863 and Agnes MITCHELL c1782 - 1857.
Robert SCOTT - 1786 - 1863 parents were John SCOTT and Mary GRIEVE
I am stuck with John SCOTT and Mary GRIEVE, they married in Hawick on 13 January 1781. Robert SCOTT b. 1786 is the only child I am aware of, thats all I know about them! I would love to know some more about them like did they have other children, when did they die etc
Has anyone else been tracing their SCOTT family and come across this family please?
Would love to hear from you
Many thanks
Amanda
Researching
Fife - Glass
Rox - Glass, Scott, Mitchell, Fiddes, Grieve, Telfer, Johnston, Laidlaw
I have this family in my tree.....
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Hi Hannalee,
In response to your query about John Scott I will be able to help you. I must point out though that your information on Helen Scott (you have marrying a Mason) is very different to mine. I do however have ALL of John and Helen (nee Oliver) Scott's children. Some of them emigrated to Australia. I also have some scant information going back a further 3 generations if interested.
I hope this helps get you entangled in your SCOTT tree. Let me know if I can help.
P.S. I have many many certificates purchased to verify my information.
The children of John and Helen are as follows:
Helen Oliver Scott (B: 12-02-1819, M: Thomas Greig 12-12-1852, D: 18-03-1902)
George Corson Scott (B: 13-09-1820, M: Isabella Irvine 26-08-1844, D: 18-09-1902)
un-named Scott (B: 10-10-1821, D: 13-10-1821)
John Scott (B: 30-10-1822, D: 14-03-1823)
Elizabeth Scott (B: 22-06-1824, M: Thomas Bridget 28-05-1848, D: 5-04-1870 IN AUSTRALIA)
Gilbert Scott (B: 10-08-1826, Married twice D: 23-12-1907)
Robert Scott (B: 25-12-1827 M: Margaret Halliburton 21-12-1851 D: 10-10-1906 IN AUSTRALIA) These are my GG Grand parents
Andrew Scott (B: 22-07-1829, D: 7-05-1884)
Agnes Scott (B: 31-12-1831, M Thomas Beattie 23-11-1855, D: 24-06-1909)
Janet Scott (B: 30-06-1833, Married twice, D: 3-11-1910)
Adam Scott (B: 1-01-1835, M: Louisa Booth 1867, D: 7-08-1909 IN AUSTRALIA) and
Mary Scott (B: 3-09-1836, M: John McCartney 1858, D: 6-11-1925 IN AUSTRALIA)
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I am looking for my Ancestors. I am in Australia and have traced back to:
Henry Braefoot Scott[/b] (b1836) m Elizabeth Thomas (b1850 Australia)
Thomas Scott (b1805 Yarrow) m Elizabeth Armstrong (b1805 Cavers)[/b][/b] and had Children Thomas (b1831), William (b1833), John (b1834), Henry Braefoot (b1836), Elizabeth (b1938), Elizabeth (b1840), Mary (b1843), Jessie (b1844) and James (b1846)
thomas Scott (b1769 Yarrow) m Marion Tod (b1768 Ettrick) and had children Jean (b1793), Elizabeth (b1795), Alison (b1797), Agnes (b1799), Henry (b1801), Margaret (b1803), Thomas (b1805), Michail (b1807), John (b1809) and James (b1812)
I am unsure on Thomas Scott and MArion Todd - who their parents and ancestors are. I have one site which takes them back to Sir Walter Scott but there is no backup for this. Can anyone help?
Bec
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I am unsure on Thomas Scott and Marion Todd - who their parents and ancestors are. I have one site which takes them back to Sir Walter Scott but there is no backup for this.
I would definitely distrust any tree that traces Thomas Scott, born 1769 in Yarrow, County of Selkirk, back to Sir Walter Scott, who was born two years later, 1771, in Edinburgh!
Sir Walter Scott was a son of Walter Scott WS, an Edinburgh lawyer, who was born on 11 May 1729, the son of Robert Scott, farmer at Sandyknowe, parish of Smailholm, County of Roxburgh. See https://www.geograph.org.uk/stuff/list.php?label=Sandyknowe+Farm&gridref=NT6434
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Duplicate post https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=300208.msg6893832#msg6893832
Triplicate post https://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=484809.msg6893801#msg6893801
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Hi and Welcome to RootsChat Bec,
I notice you mention Henry Braefoot SCOTT married Elizabeth THOMAS and that she was born in Australia.
I am not related to either of them, but I understand that Henry married Elizabeth THOMSON, in South Australia in 1868. So I share the following info
Henry SCOTT son of Thomas SCOTT was aged 29 when he married Elizabeth THOMSON, daughter of Robert THOMSON. They were married at House Caurnamount, Angason, in South Australia. Elizabeth was aged 18. The marriage date : 13 March 1868 The ref no. 75/109.
South Australia's bdms are as scant on information as English and Welsh certs for that era, so it will have been quite a task for you to have determined any family history information about that Henry or his father based on the S.A. marriage certificate. :)
JM
I am looking for my Ancestors. I am in Australia and have traced back to:
Henry Braefoot Scott[/b] (b1836) m Elizabeth Thomas (b1850 Australia)
Thomas Scott (b1805 Yarrow) m Elizabeth Armstrong (b1805 Cavers)[/b][/b] and had Children Thomas (b1831), William (b1833), John (b1834), Henry Braefoot (b1836), Elizabeth (b1938), Elizabeth (b1840), Mary (b1843), Jessie (b1844) and James (b1846)
thomas Scott (b1769 Yarrow) m Marion Tod (b1768 Ettrick) and had children Jean (b1793), Elizabeth (b1795), Alison (b1797), Agnes (b1799), Henry (b1801), Margaret (b1803), Thomas (b1805), Michail (b1807), John (b1809) and James (b1812)
I am unsure on Thomas Scott and MArion Todd - who their parents and ancestors are. I have one site which takes them back to Sir Walter Scott but there is no backup for this. Can anyone help?
Bec
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There is an extensive tree at Geni https://www.geni.com/people/Henry-Scott/6000000020611538386 - are you in touch with the managers of that tree? Where did their information on the parentage of Thomas Scott and Elizabeth Armstrong come from?
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Here is an obit to Henry, giving he was from 'Scotland' ... but loads of family history info for his descendants... :) https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/139566275 Cootamundra Herald 6 Jan 1911. Also probate info : https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/37482320 Burra Record 12 Apr 1911
JM
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https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/39177663 South Australian Register 27 March 1868
Marriages
SCOTT-THOMSON
On the 13th March at Caurnamount, Murray river, by the Rev J Roddick, Henry, fourth son of Thomas SCOTT, Esq., Deloraine, to Elizabeth, eldest daughter of Robert THOMSON, Esq, Caurnamont, Murray River.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/197756334 14 June 1881 Evening Journal
Death
The friends of the late Thomas SCOTT of Deloraine are informed that his funeral will leave his late residence on Thursday June 16, for the new Cemetery, Kersbrook.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/197756657 Evening Journal 23 June 1881
SCOTT - On the 14th June, at his residence, Deloraine, Thomas SCOTT, aged 76 years. A colonist of 42 years.
JM
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thomas Scott (b1769 Yarrow) m Marion Tod (b1768 Ettrick) and had children Jean (b1793), Elizabeth (b1795), Alison (b1797), Agnes (b1799), Henry (b1801), Margaret (b1803), Thomas (b1805), Michail (b1807), John (b1809) and James (b1812)
I am unsure on Thomas Scott and MArion Todd - who their parents and ancestors are. I have one site which takes them back to Sir Walter Scott but there is no backup for this. Can anyone help?
Bec
1807 Yarrow Parish Militia List
There was a Thomas Scott living at Hanginshaw
Gideon and Walter living at Kirkhaugh
James at Lewinshope
Gideon at Ladhope
James Junior and John at Gilmansheugh (spelling)
Thomas at Deloraine (spelling)
Walter and Mungo at Dodhead
Alex at Newburgh
William at Dryhope
Robert at Helmburn
John at Deloraine (spelling)
James at Single
Robert at Kirkhope
Robert at Catslacknow
Henry at Lewinshope
Thomas at Nether Deloraine (spelling)
Gerorge at Ettrick Bridge
Gideon at Kirkhope
Walter at Bengerburn
The attachment is the warning in the births records at Yarrow
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Interesting to note that there are Scotts at Deloraine, and that Thomas Scott died in 1881 at Deloraine. Presumably he called his property in South Australia after his home in the Borders.
See https://www.geograph.org.uk/gridref/NT3320
Have you viewed the baptisms of the children of Thomas Scott and Elizabeth Armstrong to see if they mention the parents' residence, and are any of the witnesses Scotts from Deloraine? What about the baptisms of the children of William Scott and Marion Tod?
There are at least three households of Scotts at Deloraine in 1841.
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Thanks all. I am new to this so still feeling my way on how best to move forward. I am very confident in what I have on Henry - he moved to Cootamundra where I grew up so I have a lot of confidence in what I have on him.
Unfortuantely the Geni site line stops at Thomas Scott and Marion tod and there is no source document. I believe Marion’s parent lived at Gamescleugh near Ettrick, where she was also Baptized on 28 Feb 1768. Thomas apparently lived at Deloraineshiel settlement near Yarrow but I have nothing on his parents or much on him confirming dates. I do have a copy of all his children up to 1809 which he registered with the childrens date of birth at Yarrow Parish. He listed himself as a Herd. There is a record in the 1812 of a thomas Scott at Stanhopefoot, Ettrick.
But otherwise I have hit a dead end with Thomas and Marion.
Bec
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:) I wonder if Deloraine, Barossa, in South Australia was actually a locality rather than just the name of Thomas SCOTT's farm :)
person or persons .... set fire to Sheepyard at Malcolm's Flat .... Thomas Scott, Deloraine, Barossa.
7 November 1896 Adelaide Observer https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/162365193
DEATH
On 27th October at Deloraine, E.A. Scott, wife of the late Thomas Scott, in her 92nd year. A colonist of 57 years.
JM
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https://bound-for-south-australia.collections.slsa.sa.gov.au/1839Moffatt.htm - passengers on the Moffatt arriving South Australia 1839 ... SCOTT family included.
JM
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:) I wonder if Deloraine, Barossa, in South Australia was actually a locality rather than just the name of Thomas SCOTT's farm :)
You would know that better than I would, but it does seem to be rather a big coincidence that a Thomas Scott who was born at Deloraine in the parish of Yarrow fetched up at Deloraine in SA. Was Deloraine in SA founded or named by someone else from Yarrow?
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To me, Deloraine was used in the 1830s in various colonial circumstances to commerate a poem by Sir Walter Scott. I have in-laws who are in Deloraine, Tasmania. Its built environment dates from the penal era, Deloraine, Van Diemans Land. :)
South Australia was a separate Colony, established by England in the 1830s as a free colony ie no convicts were to be transported to there. It's land was developed for free settlers as a profit making project. The surveyors used the English system or 'hundreds' etc.
Other Australian colonies did not use that system.
I have no working knowledge of researching South Australia's land divisions, but the way the various newspaper cuttings from 19th century are worded suggest to me that it is not just one farm ... I could be wrong .... ::)
JM
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Interesting - yes, I had found the Deloraine in Tasmania, and one in Canada too.
Still quite a big coincidence for him to end up there if he had no links to the original Deloraine in Yarrow.
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Imagine it is 1839, you are Mr and Mrs SCOTT, and their young family. You have sailed half way around the world for months, lost a young one whose body was cast into the ocean, ... you land in a frontier town, less than three years in existence, there are many people from across Britain ... you cannot understand their many different accents and they cannot understand yours. You recognise only those people who came on the same voyage as you.
You then hear that there are parcels of land for sale at Deloraine. You know that name from back home. You hire a cart and horse and to load your belongings and hand over the asking price and head off down the dirt track .... several days later you find the natural feature they told you to look out for... Deloraine ... no farmhouse, no fences, no cleared land, no livestock, but you have a canvas tent that you found in the cart...
1839 ...So this is beginnings of free settlement on land in South Australia that had suddenly at stroke of a pen (George III ) become Crown land and then sold off to private individuals via a newly formed land Company with its HQ in England. It was an experiment .. very different way for Britain to expand Empire. First colony developed on the continent of Australia after the industrial revolution commenced in Britain.
JM
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You know that name from back home.
Yes, that's the whole point, surely?
It doesn't sound like anything I would want to do, though, much as I enjoyed your wee story - far too much like hard work :)
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No, my point was that 'Thomas SCOTT, Deloraine, Barossa' the chap who migrated with his young family to South Australia, does not actually inform us that his farm's name was Deloraine or that he chose to name that locality as Deloraine, or that he was related to Sir Walter SCOTT. :) just like the 'story' I have imagined, it is conjecture... urban myth ...
On the other hand, Henry Braefoot SCOTT who as an adult came from South Australia to Cootamundra, NSW, may well have shared oral history of his childhood memories as a wee lad on that sea voyage or early days 'on the land' as a child... and may have romanced the story behind Deloraine, Barossa. I know my ancestors in the back blocks on the Darling (RIver) in NSW in the 19th century certainly spun some grand stories about the trials and tribulations of being among the first generations of Europeans in those districts.
:) :D
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/39177663 South Australian Register 27 March 1868
Marriages
SCOTT-THOMSON
On the 13th March at Caurnamount, Murray river, by the Rev J Roddick, Henry, fourth son of Thomas SCOTT, Esq., Deloraine, to Elizabeth, eldest daughter of Robert THOMSON, Esq, Caurnamont, Murray River.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/197756334 14 June 1881 Evening Journal
Death
The friends of the late Thomas SCOTT of Deloraine are informed that his funeral will leave his late residence on Thursday June 16, for the new Cemetery, Kersbrook.
https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/197756657 Evening Journal 23 June 1881
SCOTT - On the 14th June, at his residence, Deloraine, Thomas SCOTT, aged 76 years. A colonist of 42 years.
JM
JM
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Certainly, but if Henry Braefoot was the son of Thomas, the distinction in terms of why they lived at Deloraine becomes irrelevant?
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Certainly, but if Henry Braefoot was the son of Thomas, the distinction in terms of why they lived at Deloraine becomes irrelevant?
But, when did Henry SCOTT become Henry Braefoot SCOTT ... :)
:) Does his NSW death certificate include 'Braefoot' as one of his given names? The online index would point to his d.c. as being for Henry SCOTT, no other names. (NSW BDM #1218/1911, Henry SCOTT, registered Cootamundra District, parents given names as Thomas and Elizabeth).
:) Does his S.A. marriage certificate include 'Braefoot' as one of his given names?
:) Does his probate packet or his will say his middle name was 'Braefoot'
:) Does he appear on any electoral roll? what if any middle name given for him there?
:) Braefoot, Gum Creek - as a locality in South Australia in the 1870s ... Burra Record, 6 Sept 1878 https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/35949291
I have Scottish ancestors arriving as early as mid 1790s and who settled in NSW; some of them settled in Far Western NSW after initially settling in and around the Hawkesbury, then after a road was built across the Blue Mountains they went to Bathurst NSW. Several generations of these NSW colonialists were farmers and graziers, and gave various 'Scottish' themed names to their farms .... Glamis, Ivanhoe, Waverley. :) :) :) Some babies were given those names as their middle names :) I have living cousins on both my maternal and paternal lines who are Scott as their given name. Does any of that prove that I am related to Sir Walter SCOTT ::) ::) ;D of course not, but our new RChatter, Bec refers to Henry as Henry Braefoot SCOTT ... :D and asks for help in finding the family connection back to Sir Walter Scott. :) :)
I have not yet found Henry Braefoot SCOTT with that middle name on any of the usual online indexes for family history resources ... but I have looked :D I can see him with that middle name on several submitted trees.
His obit in one of the South Australian newspapers notes his pastoral station (as in his land holdings ... his pastoral grazing farm etc) was 'Braefoot', https://trove.nla.gov.au/newspaper/article/37483807 Burra Record 18 Jan 1911.
FindMyPast has his will .... 'This is the Last Will and Testament of me Henry Scott of Milton Cootamundra retired grazier. I appoint my sons Murray Thomas Scott, Percival Robert Scott and Henry Oliver Scott to be the Executors and Trustees ...... ' it names his daughters ... all with their full set of given names, etc and his wife 'Elizabeth' (so only one given name for her). Probate £44,000
JM edited to sort out some poor grammar and correct poor spelling. 9:20 a.m. NSW AEDST
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But, when did Henry SCOTT become Henry Braefoot SCOTT ... :)
Or, conversely, when did Henry Braefoot drop his middle name? (And why?)
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;D But was he baptised with it as a middle name?
JM
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;D But was he baptised with it as a middle name?
That is quite difficult to answer, because it wasn't unusual for the church records to list only the first given name, even though the child was given a middle name from the outset.
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And, there is NO extant record of the passengers on board the Moffatt arriving 19 Dec 1839 to South Australia. There are various lists found online for that voyage, and one has the SCOTT family including Henry as Henry Braefoot SCOTT ... but these are actually 'constructed' lists and default to submissions from various family history buffs... :) :D I notice that his siblings on that voyage do not have middle names ???
https://bound-for-south-australia.collections.slsa.sa.gov.au/1839Moffatt.htm - passengers on the Moffatt arriving South Australia 1839 ... SCOTT family included.
JM