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Title: Wigan Parish Records Look-up.
Post by: vaison on Friday 28 August 09 11:50 BST (UK)

Hi,
Please does anyone have access to Wigan parish records? I'm trying to find a baptism for my GGGrandfather, who was born in Ince c.1830.
His mother's name was Martha, but I have no record for his father. I know it's a long shot, but I'd be very grateful if anyone can find anything.
Thanks.

Title: Re: Wigan Parish Records Look-up.
Post by: Sylviaann on Friday 28 August 09 17:02 BST (UK)

You could try this site http://www.lan-opc.org.uk/Wigan/index.html

Sylviaann

Title: Re: Wigan Parish Records Look-up.
Post by: vaison on Monday 31 August 09 13:43 BST (UK)

I've tried that site and the Ince records haven't been transcribed yet.

Title: Re: Wigan Parish Records Look-up.
Post by: Daisypetal on Tuesday 01 September 09 17:15 BST (UK)

Hi,

What was your GGGrandfather's name?

Daisy

Title: Re: Wigan Parish Records Look-up.
Post by: Sylviaann on Wednesday 02 September 09 16:57 BST (UK)

Most of the churches in Ince were not there in 1830 which is why the records have not been transcribed.  It would be best to look at other Wigan churches.

Sylviaann

Title: Re: Wigan Parish Records Look-up.
Post by: vaison on Sunday 20 September 09 14:33 BST (UK)

Sorry for the delay in replying. I have been away.
Of course, I should have said - my g.grandfather's name was Alfred Ellison.
Thanks for the info re Ince churches. I'll try looking at other Wigan churches.

Marody

Title: Re: Wigan Parish Records Look-up.
Post by: Sandgrounder1 on Sunday 20 September 09 14:46 BST (UK)

Hello

There's an entry on IGI:

Alfred Ellison 1832, Ince, mother Martha Ellison.
This suggests that he could have been illegitimate, as they usually mention the father's name.

There's a Family History Centre in Wigan.  Unfortunately I don't know the address but if you contacted Wigan Council they might be able to point you in the right direction.  They may have copies of the parish records.

Good luck

Sandgrounder

Title: Re: Wigan Parish Records Look-up.
Post by: vaison on Sunday 20 September 09 16:08 BST (UK)

Hi,
Many thanks for that info. I will certainly look into it.

Regards, Marody

Title: Re: Wigan Parish Records Look-up.
Post by: Sylviaann on Sunday 20 September 09 17:14 BST (UK)

The entries on the IGI are put on by members of the church and are not taken from the registers.  They may not be true and are probably deduced from census records

Sylviaann

Title: Re: Wigan Parish Records Look-up.
Post by: Daisypetal on Monday 21 September 09 12:13 BST (UK)

Hi,

This looks confusing, in 1841 Martha (no marital status given) has Alfred 10 and Alice 8 living with her,

1841  HO107/522/13  f.8  p.8  Wigan
Township of Ince in Makerfield
Amberwood Common

Martha ELLISON    35    Weaver
Alfred                 10
Alice                   8         All born in County


I found this extracted baptism on the IGI,

Alice ELLISON
Birth:  07 Dec 1832   
Christening:  07 Apr 1833   Wigan
Father:  John ELLISON
Mother:  Martha


so it appears Alfred could also be the son of John and Martha :) but...


In 1851 widow Martha has Alfred 19 and Sarah 6 with her,
 
1851  HO107/2200  f.72  p.8  Ince  (Registration district: Wigan)
Petticoat Lane

Martha ELLISON   W    45    Cotton Weaver  Lancashire Ince
Alfred                 U    19    Coal Miner             "            "
Sarah                        6     Scholar                "            "



There are two Sarah ELLISONs born in Wigan district at abouth the right time,

Sarah ELLISON    Jun Q 1845    Wigan    21  134

Sarah ELLISON    Dec Q 1845    Wigan    21  789


I think the former could be the daugther of 'your' Martha as I found the following extracted entries on the IGI,

Sarah ELLISON
Birth:  06 May 1845   
Christening:  01 Jun 1845   Wigan
Father:  William ELLISON 
Mother:  Martha


Sarah ELLISON
Birth:  05 NOV 1845   
Christening:  17 NOV 1845   Wigan
Father:  John ELLISON
Mother:  Sarah


So getting the first birth certificate should give the Martha's maiden name and whether she was married to John or William, or show if she was fibbing about being a widow and was really a single woman.
Maybe Martha ?? married John ELLISON then after he died she married William ELLISON. There are alot of ELLISONs in the area :-\


This site explains the difference between extracted and submitted records on the IGI,

http://www.rootschat.com/links/0758/


Alternatively you could get Alfred's marriage cert. to see what it says for father,

Alfred ELLISON    Jun Q 1855    Wigan    8c  30
Jane ROGERS with same details.


Daisy

Title: Re: Wigan Parish Records Look-up.
Post by: Daisypetal on Monday 21 September 09 12:37 BST (UK)

Oh, I've just found this extracted IGI record,

Alfred ELLINSON
Birth:  26 DEC 1830   
Christening:  13 FEB 1831   Wigan
Mother:  Martha ELLINSON 

 ??? so even more confused :D


Daisy

Title: Re: Wigan Parish Records Look-up.
Post by: vaison on Monday 21 September 09 19:44 BST (UK)

Hi Daisy,
Thanks for all tha. I realloy appreciate you taking the time. I guess the best option is to get Alfred's wedding cert. Then, hopefully, I can progress from there.
Regards, Marody

Title: Re: Wigan Parish Records Look-up.
Post by: brephy on Tuesday 22 September 09 14:32 BST (UK)

Wigan History shop has all the church registers on film or fiche.  If you phone, they will be very helpful. 01942 828128 0r 828 020

Title: Re: Wigan Parish Records Look-up.
Post by: vaison on Tuesday 22 September 09 18:45 BST (UK)

Thanks, Brephy. That's certainly worth a try.