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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Dublin => Topic started by: odonnellt on Saturday 29 August 09 14:20 BST (UK)
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I've not posted on here before but thought it worth a try.
Researching the family tree & would love any information on my dad's grandparents on his mums side.
William Davis 1889-1965. From Dublin
Mary Davis no dates for her. Was told she was a similar age to William though. From Tipperary.
William was in the British Army, based at Beggars Bush. Served in Bombay, India 1939-1945. Mary was out there with him. Have been told he was a Sergeant Major. Definately was an instructor of some sort. My uncle still has Williams whistle with 1916 on it.
Have been told by dad's older brother that Mary was pregnant when they went to India & that the baby was born aboard ship. Also, that another child was born in India. Not sure of any dates for this though & assume they had a previous posting abroad as they would've been about 50 in 1939.
They lived at 50 Mountjoy Square in 1939 before being posted. Believe they lived in Clarence Street, North Strand in 1950.
Not a lot to go on I admit, but it's a lot more than I had 4 day's ago when I started in earnest researching.
Anyway, any help would be greatly appreciated.
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Probably the place to start is with 1911 Census for Ireland, which is online on the Nation Archives website (free) at : http://census.nationalarchives.ie/
An Index to the Civil Registers is available on familysearch at : http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1408347;p=2;t=searchable
If you find any possible matches you can order certs from the GRO by post using the Index details - www.groireland.ie
Shane
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William and Mary appear on the 1939-1940 Dublin City Electoral Rolls at 50 Mountjoy Square.
http://www.dublinheritage.ie/electoral/advanced.php
They share a house with a number of other families. Might be worth checking out the other names to see if they are related.
Dara.
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Hi,
I have a William Davis born 1889 to William Davis and Mary Walsh. He was my grandfathers brother. I have them living in the Mountjoy Square area in 1911 census. My grandfather Albert also served in the British Army during World War 1. My grandfather was a tailor as also was his father and his brother. If you think there is a connection I can give you further details.
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Hi,
I have a William Davis born 1889 to William Davis and Mary Walsh. He was my grandfathers brother. I have them living in the Mountjoy Square area in 1911 census. My grandfather Albert also served in the British Army during World War 1. My grandfather was a tailor as also was his father and his brother. If you think there is a connection I can give you further details.
I looked at the Davis's living in Summerhill in the 1911 census. Wasn't sure what to make of it though as it looked like William was the head of house. But looking further down I see John aged 20 & wonder if he was the head of house & married to Annie. Is that right?
I think there is a link to my dads grandad there, what do you think??
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William and Mary appear on the 1939-1940 Dublin City Electoral Rolls at 50 Mountjoy Square.
http://www.dublinheritage.ie/electoral/advanced.php
They share a house with a number of other families. Might be worth checking out the other names to see if they are related.
Dara.
Thanks Dara,
I was given this on dublinforums.ie earlier this week. There's 4 O'Donnells living at the same address as the 2 Davis's. They're all related to me. Henry & Nora are my nanny & grandad. Nora is William & Mary's daughter. Edward & Helen are Henry's brother & sister in law.
Regards,
Tracey
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Probably the place to start is with 1911 Census for Ireland, which is online on the Nation Archives website (free) at : http://census.nationalarchives.ie/
An Index to the Civil Registers is available on familysearch at : http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1408347;p=2;t=searchable
If you find any possible matches you can order certs from the GRO by post using the Index details - www.groireland.ie
Thanks Shane,
I've checked the census website already this week & got a lot of info from it. Also checked the ancestors on board website & got William & Mary sailing to Bombay, India in 1939 on there.
Can't check the family search website though as haven't got the download for it & my PC crashes every time I try to put anything new on it.
Regards,
Tracey
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Welcome to RootsChat.
In my experience, the more specific you can be about what you are looking for the better the help you will get.
Good luck with your research.
Dara.
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Welcome to RootsChat.
In my experience, the more specific you can be about what you are looking for the better the help you will get.
Good luck with your research.
Dara.
Hi Dara,
Thanks for the advice. What am I looking for???
I'd love to know more about Williams time in the British Army I suppose, where he was posted to, what regiment he was in, when did he enlist etc. Did Mary really have a baby aboard ship & did she have another in India or is this just family legend??
Also, I'd love to know when he got married, how many kids he had, any brothers & sisters he had, where they lived etc. Love to know more about Mary too as have no info on her, not even birth & death info.
Thanks,
Tracey
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are there any clues as to when William and Mary may have been married ?
At the moment I am assuming that the could have been married anytime between 1907 and 1939 - i.e. from William being aged 18 to the electoral register details that Dara listed. There are quite a few possible William Davis marriages listed in the time .. anything that would narrow down the search could help.
one thing to note ... the British Army, could not have been based at Beggars Bush (or anywhere else in the South of Ireland) anytime after 1922
Shane
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are there any clues as to when William and Mary may have been married ?
At the moment I am assuming that the could have been married anytime between 1907 and 1939 - i.e. from William being aged 18 to the electoral register details that Dara listed. There are quite a few possible William Davis marriages listed in the time .. anything that would narrow down the search could help.
one thing to note ... the British Army, could not have been based at Beggars Bush (or anywhere else in Ireland) anytime after 1922
Shane
Hi Shane,
Thanks for getting back to me. No idea when William & Mary got married but think it was after 1911 as he was living with a brother in Summerhill on the 1911 census. He was 22 then.
In the 1939 census he was listed as married to Mary & living at 50 Mountjoy Square then.
I know that Beggars Bush closed down in 1922 so wonder what happened to William then. Where else would he have been based? I know he went to India with the British Army in 1939 so wonder what happened after Beggars Bush.
Just re-checked the 1911 census. Beginning to think I might have some wrong info somewhere.
William is listed as being married to Annie for 3 years here with 2 children aged 2 & 0. That means they were married in 1908.His brother John lives with them at 21.3 Summerhill. Looks like Annie was from James County??
When did he marry Mary then?? And what happened to Annie & the children if this is the same William Davis I'm looking for??
Tracey
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there are about 30 marriages of a William Davis in Dublin between 1911 and 1939.. so probably a bit to many to figure out a match. Are there any clues to Mary's maiden name ?
I presume that when William was in the army after 1922 that he kept his family home in Dublin, and only stayed there himself when on leave, and was based somewhere in the UK..
Shane
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Were any of the children born in Ireland? if so you can search for birth registration in civil index and then order the birth certificate which will list mother's full name so that you can track down the record of the marriage.
Shane gave the links earlier in this thread but will include them here as well-
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1408347;p=2;t=searchable
www.groireland.ie
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Were any of the children born in Ireland? if so you can search for birth registration in civil index and then order the birth certificate which will list mother's full name so that you can track down the record of the marriage.
Shane gave the links earlier in this thread but will include them here as well-
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#c=1408347;p=2;t=searchable
www.groireland.ie
I think but can't be sure that Nora was born in Ireland. She died in 1978 aged 65 & was my gran (dad's mum). I've got conflicting info though. The 1911 census shows William living in Summerhill & married to Annie. He was 22 & she was 21.
She's listed as coming from James Town?? Is that in Tipperary? Reason I ask is that my uncle say's that Mary is from Tipperary & was a similar age to William. Maybe she's known as Mary to the family but is actually Annie by birth?? Is this possible do you think??
Tracey
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...The 1911 census shows William living in Summerhill & married to Annie. He was 22 & she was 21... She's listed as coming from James Town?? Is that in Tipperary? Reason I ask is that my uncle say's that Mary is from Tipperary & was a similar age to William. Maybe she's known as Mary to the family but is actually Annie by birth?? Is this possible do you think??
Tracey
looks like that Mary's Annie's place of birth is Queens county (Co. Laois) - with part of the Q missing...
If that's the correct couple then it places the marriage at 1908.. will see if that narrows down a marriage, or possible births for the 2 children
Shane
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Just got off the phone after speaking to dad. They've had a conflab with the info I gave them so far & here's what they think.
1939 census, 50 Mountjoy Sq.
William & Mary Davis. Nee O'Donnell
Henry & Nora O'Donnell. Henry is Marys brother.
Edward & Ellen O'Donnell.
Norah & Peter Ryder
Isaac? & James Kenny?
Rosanna Mooney
Mary & Thomas Keane
James Kealey
Josephine & George Kavanagh
1911 Census Summerhill
William & Annie Davis Dads nanny & grandad we think.
Mary Bridget aged 2 & Margret aged 0. Nora's 2 older sisters.
John aged 20, Williams brother.
Nora, dads mum; Williams daughter had 3 sisters & 1 brother. 1 sister married a King from Clontarf. The Kings had property in Mountjoy Square & Lower Gardiner Street.
Julia O'Donnell married Frank Fitzgerald who worked for Brookes Thomas in Foley Street. They lived in the Caretakers cottage there.
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found a possible marriage for William (snr) and Annie on the familysearch index (not that many William Davis entries to check but 40 pages of Annie & Annes..) :
Name: William Davis
Registration district: Dublin North
qtr and year: Apr - Jun 1909
Volume: 2 / Page: 502
Name: Annie Murray
Registration district: Dublin North
qtr / year: Apr - Jun 1909
vol.: 2 / Page: 502
I dont see any William Davis marriages in 1908.. there is another possibility is Dublin South in 1907 which I will try to cross match.
and a match for the birth of Margaret :
Name: Margaret Davis
Reg. district: Dublin North
quarter and year: Jan - Mar 1911
Volume: 2 / Page: 488
Shane
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found a possible marriage for William (snr) and Annie on the familysearch index (not that many William Davis entries to check but 40 pages of Annie & Annes..) :
Name: William Davis
Registration district: Dublin North
qtr and year: Apr - Jun 1909
Volume: 2 / Page: 502
Name: Annie Murray
Registration district: Dublin North
qtr / year: Apr - Jun 1909
vol.: 2 / Page: 502
I dont see any William Davis marriages in 1908.. there is another possibility is Dublin South in 1907 which I will try to cross match.
and a match for the birth of Margaret :
Name: Margaret Davis
Reg. district: Dublin North
quarter and year: Jan - Mar 1911
Volume: 2 / Page: 488
Shane
Hi Shane,
Thanks for all your help, it really is much appreciated. As I said before, the 1911 census shows William & Annie as married for 3 years but they could've gotten married anywhere really. If her family are from Tipperary as my family seem to think, they could've gotten married there. Equally though, they could've gotten married in Queens Town which appears on the 1911 census as where she's from.
Thanks again,
Tracey
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The 1911 census should list county of birth- have you looked at the scanned image to see what's listed?
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I would go for the birth cert of Margaret first to confirm we have the right match, then try to find William jnr's birth to see if the parents match up.
Annie's place of birth on the census looks to be Queens county - which is next door to Tipperary.
Shane
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Hi Tracey,
The William Davis listed on the 1911 Census living in Summerhill is my Grandfathers brother. His parents are also listed living at 157.2 Britain Street, Rotunda. If this is your William, he is the second son of William Davis and Mary Walsh. I have their 1901 Census Return - they were living at 9 Grenville St. and William is listed on that Return age 11.
My Mother who is in her eighties remembers John but can't remember what happened to William. My grandfather was married twice and my mother is the youngest child of the second marriage. She also remembers that John was married twice . Wlliam's mother Mary died in 1943 at 13 Mountjoy St. I have not found his fathers date of death.
There also other children on the 1901 Return - Elizabeth, Hanora, Rose and Mary Jane. On the 1911 there is another child Annie.
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Hi Tracey,
The William Davis listed on the 1911 Census living in Summerhill is my Grandfathers brother. His parents are also listed living at 157.2 Britain Street, Rotunda. If this is your William, he is the second son of William Davis and Mary Walsh. I have their 1901 Census Return - they were living at 9 Grenville St. and William is listed on that Return age 11.
My Mother who is in her eighties remembers John but can't remember what happened to William. My grandfather was married twice and my mother is the youngest child of the second marriage. She also remembers that John was married twice . Wlliam's mother Mary died in 1943 at 13 Mountjoy St. I have not found his fathers date of death.
There also other children on the 1901 Return - Elizabeth, Hanora, Rose and Mary Jane. On the 1911 there is another child Annie.
Hi Beach,
Thanks for the info, sounds to me like it's the same William. Have PM'd you.
Kind Regards,
Tracey
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I would go for the birth cert of Margaret first to confirm we have the right match, then try to find William jnr's birth to see if the parents match up.
Annie's place of birth on the census looks to be Queens county - which is next door to Tipperary.
Shane
Hi Shane,
Thanks for your help again. If Annie was born in Queens county & it's next door to Tipperary then possibly that's where the family get the Tipperary connection from.
Now, if I can get this PC to stop crashing for 5 mins I'll be able to get cracking again.
Kind Regards,
Tracey
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Welcome to RootsChat.
In my experience, the more specific you can be about what you are looking for the better the help you will get.
Good luck with your research.
Dara.
Hi Dara,
Thanks for all your help so far with my search, much appreciated.
Any idea how I go about looking for William's Army records etc?? All I've got to go on so far is he was born in 1889, died in 1965. Was stationed at Beggars Bush, went to India with his wife Annie. Family legend say's she had a baby on board ship & another in India. Been told he was a Sergeant Major but don't know if this is true or family legend.
He had 4 daughters & 1 son. Nora, my gran died in 1978 aged 65. In 1911 census 2 daughters names were Mary bridget aged 2 & Margaret aged 0.
Thanks,
Tracey
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Tracey,
Just sent you my email address.
Catherine
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Tracey,
Just sent you my email address.
Catherine
Thanks,
Have sent you the link.
Tracey
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Hello,
I saw Kenny in no.50 Mountjoy Sq.in your email No.15 and then I saw the reference to No.9 Grenville Street.
My Irish Times source work for No.9 on September 27th 1879 on Page 3 showsa reference to a Daniel F. Kenny.
Some help I hope.
Regards Quaxer
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Have written to Glasgow for Williams war records etc. Will keep you updated with the search.
Thanks to everyone for their help & support.
Tracey