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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Hampshire & Isle of Wight => Topic started by: sp1jpe on Sunday 30 August 09 11:57 BST (UK)
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My wife is descended directly from John Morey, who in the 1851 census is aged 41, living at 138 New Lane, Havant (his daughter Jane married Thomas Scrivener at Portsea in 1857, and this is the line I have followed). John Morey was born Emsworth according to the census, and his wife was Elizabeth, but I have found no marriage details, and the nearest candidate for the John Morey I am looking to follow was baptised at Havant (Saint Faith) in 1806. The age does not quite tally, and I cannot establish that they are one and the same person. Can anyone establish a link, or know of another John Morey?
Many thanks
JohnE
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Hi
Have you seen this family in 1841 transcibed as Moorey - is it the same family?
HO107 piece 370 book 1 Warblington Hampshire
John Moorey 30 Labourer
Elizabeth Moorey 30
William Moorey 11
Jane Moorey 10
John Moorey 8
Edward Moorey 5
Susan Moorey 3 mths
All born in county. Living in West ? Street, Warblington.
If this is the family it looks as if the marriage would be about 1830.
Jan
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Thanks for the reply, Jan. I had not spotted the 1841 entry - It is the same family. I was guessing a marriage around 1830, but have not found it, or a definite link to the John Morey born 1806.
JohnE
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Hi
Sorry, forgot to welcome you to Rootschat :D
In the 1841 censuses there is a John Morey born 1806 living in Northwood Hampshire married to a Mary. This may be the one you have found, in which case he isn't yours.
Jan
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Welcome from me too :)
I've checked other baptisms in the area for John Morey and at present, the one baptised in Havant in 1806, parents Abraham and Fanny does seem the most likely candidate. The only one born around 1809/10 was baptised in Portsmouth which is not really same. Emsworth did not become a separate parish (formed from Warblington) until 1841 and both are very close to Havant. I'd be happy with that despite the disparity in the recorded age.
I've found these baptisms in Warblington:
William 2 Aug 1829
Jane 19 Jun 1831
John 05 Jan 1834
Edward 14 Feb 1836
Elizabeth 1 Jul 1838
George 14 Mar 1841
I'm struggling with a marriage though :(
Nell
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Hi Nell
The only trouble with that one is that he could be the one in the 1841 census married to Mary, and John said the wife was Elizabeth. Can you see any more that fit in the censuses?
Jan
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Jan, Nell
Thanks for your efforts on this. Do the baptisms give the parents' names? Most of them seem to correspond well, but George born in 1841 is a problem as there is a Susan aged 3 months in the 1841 census. I appreciate your efforts; Jane Morey married Thomas Scrivener (Royal Marines) in 1857, and after he left the Marines they came to live in Chesterfield, and one of their daughters then married a man from Sheffield, which is where we live. Thus it would be difficult for me to come down to search for original records. I am certain that the John and Elizabeth Morey in 1851 census are the right couple, but it is proving difficult to go further back.
Any further efforts appreciated.
JohnE
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The baptisms I listed were for children all with the parents' names John & Elizabeth Morey.
I was puzzled by the lack of one for Susan, but she does not appear on the 1851 census either. George doesn't appear on the 1841 census, but is on the 1851. Most odd. The 1841 census was taken in June that year.
The John Morey married to Mary is living on the Isle of Wight and I sort of expect him to have been born there. Morey is a name found quite frequently on the Isle of Wight as well as mainland Hampshire.
Nell
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I have now found a John Morey born 19 Dec, 1809, baptised 21 Jan 1810 at St Thomas, Portsmouth.; parents Joseph and Elizabeth. The date is consistent with the John Morey I am trying to trace; is it likely that someone recorded in 1851 as 'born Emsworth' would have been baptised at St Thomas, Portsmouth? I also have a clue as to the missing marriage - Elizabeth Morey is 'born Emsworth' acc. to 1851 census, but in 1861, she is a widow 'born Fishbourne, Sussex' (her surname is transcribed as 'Marry'. Perhaps I need to look at Sussex.
Thanks for your continuing help.
JohnE
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I have now found a John Morey born 19 Dec, 1809, baptised 21 Jan 1810 at St Thomas, Portsmouth.; parents Joseph and Elizabeth. The date is consistent with the John Morey I am trying to trace; is it likely that someone recorded in 1851 as 'born Emsworth' would have been baptised at St Thomas, Portsmouth? I also have a clue as to the missing marriage - Elizabeth Morey is 'born Emsworth' acc. to 1851 census, but in 1861, she is a widow 'born Fishbourne, Sussex' (her surname is transcribed as 'Marry'. Perhaps I need to look at Sussex.
Thanks for your continuing help.
JohnE
No, I found that baptism too and discounted it as too far away from their home patch. While Portsmouth is close, unless he was the first child and one of his parents was from Portsmouth and they went home to granny for the christening, it would never be recorded as Emsworth.
Nell
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This may be a possibility from IGI although the age is out by a few years. Baptism for a Joannes MOREY - 21 APR 1806 Brockhampton-Rc, Brockhampton, Gender: Male Birth: 19 APR 1806. Parents John MOREY and Mary DUKE
The John MOREY recorded here may even be the same chap as the one you found baptised at St Faith Havant - I have family members who are listed as baptised in the RC and the Anglican church - in one case the baptisms supposedly took place on the same date twenty miles apart; possible, I suppose ???
My ancestors baptised at Brockhampton RC chapel are variously listed as having been born in Bedhampton, Emsworth, Warblington as well as Brockhampton. I gather the 'parish' of the RC chapel at the time covered a fairly wide area. Many are buried at Warblington in the parish church although the Catholic records say 'Emsworth'.
Still nothing to 'prove' that any of them are the one you are looking for. :-\
Cheers, Judith
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Hello,
I have information about the son, John MOREY, born 1834, who was admitted to Parkhurst Prison in 1848, transferred to the Philanthropic Institute that same year and emigrated to Port Elizabeth, South Africa, in January 1849. Sadly, no further information has been retrieved.
However, the details I have for John MOREY are quite extensive if someone wishes to contact me...........I am a mature posgraduate at Southampton University research for a PhD on Parkhurst Prison 1838-1864.
Regards
Tony Cocks
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Tony
Many thanks for your posting. I have tried to send you a message, but I am not sure my machine is set up to make this happen. If you do not receive it, please let me know and I will let you know my email address.
Thanks
JohnE
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Hello John,
Thank you for your reply.........the PM arrived safely with your email address.
I need to update one or two aspects of John MOREY's Biography and will send you the full copy tomorrow.
For the moment
Tony
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Hello to Tony Cocks (BAC3)
Just to request you to contact myself via the List as I would love to have your previous thread mention and knowledge of the JOHN MOREY BIOGRAPHY :)
Could he be my wife's family member as there were several MOREY families on the IoW -they all seem to be linked, if you can go back far enough.
Hoping to have a posting to contact you direct or at least to know how to access your excellent work?
Many thanks ;)
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Hello Radhima,
Thank you for your message.
I will be delighted to help you as much as I can about John MOREY, at least that part of his life which relates to England. Unfortunately he "migrated" to the Cape Colony, Port Elizabeth, and that marks the end of my knowledge about him.
I have posted a Personal Message to you with my email address so that you can respond with your address. I will then forward a copy of the Biography.
For the moment,
Tony
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Hello Tony
Only just found the back postings to 2012 as we have had problems with our hotmail and have had to change addresses to cover this. If you wish to contact me through rootschat they will pass anything over you have as I think to post my new email on this site would be inviting more problems. Very keen however to have John Morey Biography so many many thanks.
Thank you for agreeing to send me anything which since then you have on John Morey. So far as I know the Anthony Morey from Yapton which is East Sussex moved to the Island before 1630 and my wife's roots are from Henry the father of our John Morey all Isle of Wight to today!
Thanking you John
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Can any of your researchers throw light on the possibility that Morey name was from the region of Prussia or even Russia being linked as of Jewish origin. This would begin with Anthony Morey Or Morye in the pre 1600 era Sussex and later residence Arreton Isle of Wight.
The research made earlier has stopped abruptly on this Anthony link and cannot seem to move on from him to discover the place he emigrated from to this Country. Thanks in advance
John :)