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Title: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: flumpit2 on Tuesday 01 September 09 20:35 BST (UK)
Hi all,i wondered if anyone was related to the Sherriff family from Warks & surrounding areas?My family line goes Reginald Sherriff B:1921 Warks...Matthew Sherriff B:1880 staffs m Annie Morgan 1900 Warks...Abraham Sherriff 1851 Chester m Delilah Smith 1850...William Sherriff 1814 Redditch m Mary Ann Tracey Boswell 1806 Leicestershire...Edward Sherriff abt1779 m Mary Hart ...George Sherriff m Susannah Palmer.

I have read the Henry Dry Bread book & its given me some great info but unfortunatly none of me direct descendants are mentioned so it seems there was a parting of the ways with Henrys g g grandad Hope & his brother (my ggg grandad Abraham).

I have scoured the internet for any info but seem to of drawn a blank as the Sherrriff family isnt well documented.I know that my Grandad was still traveling with his family until around 1930 when they moved into a house in Staffordshire.

Any info is greatly apprechiated!!
Thanks for reading.
Shaz :O)
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: Steve G on Wednesday 02 September 09 02:15 BST (UK)
Hyah, Flumpit2. Interesting that ye mention ye Grandad Sherriff went into brick, in the 1930's. Only, according to Bob Dawson's book, that name fizzled out, amongst travelling Gypsys, around 1995. Maybe ye've recorded the trend there?

 Prior to that? Yeppers. It was recorded in the counties ye mention, and more. He does indicate its occurrence was intermittent though.

 Funnily enough, as a Pest Controller, the name Sheriff is now synonymous, to me, with 'Bee Suits'. Theirs are just about the industry standard. But, those Sheriff's are based in Cornwall.

Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: vince smith on Wednesday 02 September 09 16:12 BST (UK)
Probably of no consequence flumpit2, but my Grt Grt Gran was a Dinah Sherrif from the North West .  She was the wife of one Othea Boswell.  Her children used both the names Boswell and Sherrif.  If you look on Romany Genes, you will see a photo of John Sherrif, who was the Brother of my Grt Grandad, Lavina Boswell.

The lady who posts on here as An65, imformed me that the Sherrif and Boswell names, were along with Boss, pretty much interchangeable.

This family frequented the counties that you mention.
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: davesherriff on Friday 09 October 09 22:14 BST (UK)
hi i dont know if im part of this family do u know if abraham had any gransons also what was his sons name its just ive found a cousin and she asked about abraham as it was the name of my dad and her dads grandad thats y im askin i about abrahams son
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: flumpit2 on Saturday 10 October 09 20:05 BST (UK)
Hi,to the best of my knowledge Abraham had 1 son Matthew & 2 daughters Myra & Louisa.Im not saying that there wernt more children tho as 3 seems quite a small number for a gypsy family but i havent found anymore as of yet.Abrahams grandchildren on Matthews side are Reginald,Matthew,Alfred,Dennis and Bella.I havent yet managed to find out who Myra & Louisa were married to or about Children yet.
Abraham was one of 14 children (Alfred,Francis,Oati,Joseph,William,Perrin,Thomas,Matilda,Uriah,Loreni,Eldri,Mary & Hope being the other 13).
I have a family tree on Ancestory if you send me ur email addy i will send you an invite to it so you can see for urself if ur part of this family.My name on Ancestory is shazza_3197 & the trees called Sherriff (Romany Gypsy) Family Tree.
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: davesherriff on Saturday 10 October 09 20:44 BST (UK)
my email addy is (*) my dad was called kenneth he had 2 brothers 1 was peter and i forget the other im nt sure if it was george my middle name is alfred i was told i was named after my grandad we r romany fam

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Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: davesherriff on Saturday 10 October 09 20:51 BST (UK)
my grandad musta bin born around 1870s if this helps my grandad was born in burton at wetmore road but his birth wasnt registered
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: gemini250554 on Saturday 10 October 09 22:21 BST (UK)
You can contact me if you wish, (*)

My name is Julie Sherriff, that is my birth name.

My father is XXXX
His brothers were XXXX

Their parents were Alfred Sherriff c1894
And
Emily Smith b3/09/1899

Emily’s parents were Peter Smith b1879 Stapenhill B-o-T  &
Phylis Holland b1879 Derby.

This is were the problems start

My father told me Grand dad Alfred was born in Wetmore Road, Burton-on-Trent.

I can trace two Alfred Sherriffs but none seem to match and he said Alfred’s father was called Abraham who was married to Maria. The only Abraham I can find means he was in his 40’s when he had Alfred. I wonder if this is feasible.

If you have any questions or info do not hesitate to contact me.

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Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: flumpit2 on Sunday 11 October 09 14:41 BST (UK)
davesherriff & gemini250554,i have sent you both invites to my family tree on Ancestory so that you can both have a look & see if you think you might be part of my family.Hope so as would be nice to add more relatives!!  ;D
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: flumpit2 on Tuesday 13 October 09 19:28 BST (UK)
Have you had a look at the tree?Do you recognise anyone in it?
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: gemini250554 on Tuesday 13 October 09 19:38 BST (UK)
I don't recognised anyone I will upload some pics, I don't have many. My grandparents lived in an old bus up to the 70's I think. I used to travel with my parents to Evesham every year plum or pea picking with the rest of the travellers in the late 50's early 60's.  By the way, Dave Sherriff and myself are cousins, his dad and my dad were brothers.
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: flumpit2 on Friday 16 October 09 21:39 BST (UK)
My grandad use to go to Evesham with his family when he was young.
Just because you dont recognise any1 in my tree,you could still be family.As you can see,iv only really concentrated on my direct line.To be honest,id be suprised if your not related some where along the line as the name Sherriff is not that common,exspecially in the Romany lines.
Let me know any info you have about your family & il see if i can place them in my tree somewhere.
Shaz
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: gemini250554 on Tuesday 03 November 09 03:13 GMT (UK)
Hi flumpit2, I have been delving into all my paperwork, I think now maybe, we are related. You mention Abraham being 1 of 14 children, I'm not sure but I suspect Matilda is my ancester. I think she married Isaiah Holland and had a daughter Phyllis ( my great grandmother )

Julie
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: Kilmschene on Saturday 07 November 09 21:16 GMT (UK)
Hello, I've decided that I would love to trace my Romany roots. My granddad lived as a Romany when he was younger. I am actually a 1/4 Romany and want to find out if I have any relations still living the Romany lifestyle. My granddad was Peter Sherriff. My mum's name is Julie Sherriff. I think my granddad lived in Burton. Can anyone help or advise as to the best place to start looking.

Thanx
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: davesherriff on Saturday 07 November 09 22:17 GMT (UK)
i have an uncle XXX  he has a daughter called XXX  if yes to either then im still a relative uncle XXX lives in winshill in burton

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Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: davesherriff on Saturday 07 November 09 22:21 GMT (UK)
 :-\
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: Kilmschene on Sunday 08 November 09 09:40 GMT (UK)
No, Sherriff is my mum's maiden name. I've attached a photograph that I acquired last night and a low res jpeg of a family tree that I acquired last night.

Thanx

Scott

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Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: Garen on Wednesday 17 February 10 00:12 GMT (UK)
Hello Shaz

I just came across your message - I am related to your Abraham Sherriff, he was my gggg-uncle. I am descended from his elder brother, Joseph. Joseph married Eliza Hodgkinson and settled down in Uttoxeter.

I have read Henry Dry-Bread and The Boswell Family book and do wonder about some of the info in there - it doesn't all quite add up. One thing that was suggested to me, and I'm starting to think is possible, is that William Sherriff's parents may not have been Edward and Mary, but instead a William Sherriff and Elizabeth (possibly Elizabeth Claydon/Clayton).

I have a webpage here with more info - see what you think:

http://www.garenewing.co.uk/family/hodgkins.html

Here are some newspaper clippings I picked up recently concerning an Abraham Sherriff...

The Derby Mercury 5 Apr 1885 mentions an Abraham Sherriff, along with William Johnson aka Billy Redman, involved in a fracas with William Eley, mentions brother as being ‘Gipsy Jack’, previosuly charged with a stabbing.

Derby Mercury of 27 Nov 1895 mentions an Abraham Sherriff and Israel Draper aka Cornelius Colbourne, charged with taking six rabbits and attacking the snare watcher on the land of Philip Hanson at Radbourne on 1 Nov.

Derby Mercury of 28 Feb 1900 mentions “Abraham Sherriff, gipsy, hawker’ summoned for allowing his horses to stray on the highway at Cubley and also for encamping there".

best wishes - Garen

PS - just checking some old emails, I'm wondering if your husband already contacted me back in Aug 2008?

Hi all,i wondered if anyone was related to the Sherriff family from Warks & surrounding areas?My family line goes Reginald Sherriff B:1921 Warks...Matthew Sherriff B:1880 staffs m Annie Morgan 1900 Warks...Abraham Sherriff 1851 Chester m Delilah Smith 1850...William Sherriff 1814 Redditch m Mary Ann Tracey Boswell 1806 Leicestershire...Edward Sherriff abt1779 m Mary Hart ...George Sherriff m Susannah Palmer.

I have read the Henry Dry Bread book & its given me some great info but unfortunatly none of me direct descendants are mentioned so it seems there was a parting of the ways with Henrys g g grandad Hope & his brother (my ggg grandad Abraham).

I have scoured the internet for any info but seem to of drawn a blank as the Sherrriff family isnt well documented.I know that my Grandad was still traveling with his family until around 1930 when they moved into a house in Staffordshire.

Any info is greatly apprechiated!!
Thanks for reading.
Shaz :O)
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: gemini250554 on Wednesday 17 February 10 00:37 GMT (UK)
Hi Garen, I have messaged you before, years ago now. I have learnt much more about my family tree since then.  I do believe me and Shaz share ancestors but I have a problem with Abraham, my dad is still alive, he was born in 1920, his father was named Alfred Sherriff, born Burton-on-trent Staffs.  My dad tells me his grandad's name was Abraham who was married or not, to Maria.  Alfred was born approx 1894, I can't find a Abraham who fits in with this.  Any help would be appreciated.  According to Shaz's family tree I am a descendant of Matilda Sherriff but she is on my grandmothers side and not my grandfathers side, I am totally confused.
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: Garen on Wednesday 17 February 10 00:54 GMT (UK)
Hello Julie

I think if you have Romany ancestors you have to accept a certain state of confusion! Every time I think I've pinned something down, something comes along to contradict it. Names changed and varied so much, families intermarried, friends called each other brother... etc. etc. :-)

I have an Alfred Sherriff in my tree, born 1892 in Uttoxeter, grandson to Joseph Sherriff (Abraham's brother). There's also Alfred William Sherriff, grandson of Abraham through Matthew Sherriff.

Abraham married Delilah/Delia Smith in 1871, though I think he was also married to a Coralina Boswell. I have Matilda Sherriff married to Isaiah Holland (1874).

There is another Abraham Sherriff - I think - who was the son of Hope Sherriff (another of Abraham's brothers) and Trinity Boyling.

I've just seen your avatar photo of Phyllis Holland, who I do have on my tree (from the 1891 census return for Isaiah and Matilda). My ggg-grandparents, Joseph and Eliza Sherriff, were witnesses to the marriage of Isaiah and Matilda.

- Garen
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: gemini250554 on Wednesday 17 February 10 01:26 GMT (UK)
Yes, Phyllis Holland was my ggrandmother, I  did find the Alfred Sherriff you talk about,  but if my dad is right he was born in Burton and not Uttoxeter.  It certainly looks like we are related then as Matilda m Isaiah Holland is also in my tree.  Many thanks for your help.

Julie
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: flumpit2 on Wednesday 17 February 10 13:09 GMT (UK)
Hi all,sorry iv not been on here for abit.Iv kinda run out of steam on the Sherriff tree at the moment so been havin a break from it.
Garen,i think it was my uncle that got in touch with you (my auntys husband Roger).You have a great website,my trees on ancestory.Great newspaper clippings,i wouldnt even know where to start.Any tips would be greatly apprechiated!!!

Julie,in the Sherriff family many of the people named there kids after their siblings,so you will find there are probaly quite afew Abrahams etc.Its just trial and error in finding the right one.As Garen said,they changed names & intermarried,anyone older was called uncle & anyone the same age was brother or sister.Also sometimes they were born in one place but not registered until in another place or sometimes the births were registered in several districts.The Romanys of yonder deffinatly didnt make it easy for us to find them etc,lol!!!
I just wish my grandad was still alive to ask.
Shaz xxx
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: Garen on Thursday 18 February 10 12:23 GMT (UK)
Shaz - ah yes, it was indeed Roger - very nice and helpful and we shared some good info.

I mined the British Library 19th Century newspaper archives and got quite a few extracts relating to Sherriff names from the Derby Mercury (for Staffordshire). You can't always be sure someone with the same name is the exact person you're after, but sometimes it's obvious.

http://newspapers.bl.uk/blcs/

My ggg-grandfather and his son (Joseph and Alfred Sherriff) were done for highway robbery - stealing some shillings from a servant girl as she went to work through a park in 1880. That's the trouble with them appearing in newspapers - it's usually for bad stuff! But then again, it does give you more info. (I looked up census info for the girl, Lucy Rock - she was only 18 - if I ever come across her descendants I'll feel as though I'll have to apologise for my ancestors' terrible behaviour!)

Here's a few from my files:

The Derby Mercury 17 April 1895: A Derby Convict and his License - Levi Sherriff was charged with failing to report himself from July last, he being a convict on license. Detective-sergeant Payne said that on April 10th 1889 he was sentenced to five years’ penal servitude and five years police supervision on two charges of horse stealing. He was, however, liberated in May 1892, but a year afterwards he was convicted at this court for drunkenness and police assault. The Home Secretary revoked his license, but he was again liberated the following May from Portland prison. He came to live with his parents at 35 Gisbourne Street, and twice reported himself, but then left the town. On March 10th he was arrested at Chesterfield for horse stealing, but he was discharged at the County Sessions on Wednesday, when witness took him into custody. Had he kept out of trouble his term of imprisonment would have expired next May. Sherriff begged to be let off, saying that his father was on his death bed and he wanted to see him before he died. He failed to get work in Derby and went to the colliery districts. He got nine months taken off his sentence for saving an officer’s life in Portland prison. A prisoner struck one of the warders with a clay pick, and he (Sherriff) interfered. The Bench sentenced him to three months with hard labour, but did not revoke his license.

Levi Sherriff, who appears a few times (and is in Portland prison on the 1891 census), was the son of Perrin and Maria (it would be great to confirm when Perrin died, and if that was indeed their address in 1895). And speaking of Perrin, and probably his brother, Thomas...

The Derby Mercury 17 May 1865: Pern [sic] Sherriff and Thomas Sherriff, two travelling gipsies, were brought up in custody of police-constable Shaw, of Longford, charged under the Vagrant Act with being found camping by the wayside at Longford, not havng any visible means of subsistence. Defendants, on promising to remove their tents, were discharged.

Another Thomas, son of Hope...

The Derby Mercury 14 Mar 1900: Thomas Sheriff of Wirksworth, a private in the 3rd Batt. Sherwood Foresters, who appeared on remand, pleaded guilty to assaulting Henry Clayton on the 19th ult. Complainant stated that on the day named he was passing through the Market Place when Sheriff, without any provocation, struck him a number of blows in the face with his fist, knocking him down, when he became unconscious. Committed to prison for seven days with hard labour. Thomas Sheriff, the same defendant, also pleaded guilty to using violent language at Wirksworth on the 18th ult. He was quarrelling with next-door neighbours. Defendant’s father, a private in the 3rd Batt. Sherwood Foresters, stated that his son would probably be required to proceed to the front about the 15th of the present month. Fined 2s. 6d. and 17s costs or seven days.

I'm very intrigued by the name Clayton appearing here, as a few of the Sherriffs seemed to use that name sometimes. Hope has a few entries himself. Here's one for Isaiah Holland:

The Derby Mercury 20 Jul 1881: Isaiah Holland of Church Gresley, was charged with assaulting Arthur Clamp, licensed victualler, at Gresley, on 18th June last. It appeared the defendant came into the prosecutor’s house drunk, and on being refused drink assaulted him. The Justices said it was a most unprovoked assault, and sent him to gaol for 21 days. A charge of refusing to quit was withdrawn.

Best - Garen
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: flumpit2 on Thursday 18 February 10 14:59 GMT (UK)
Hi Garen,
Thanks for the link to the newspapers archive,il have a look when i get a chance (son keeps goin on pc).The articles you typed out were very interesting and make the people seem more real somehow rather than just a name in history.sounds as if some of the Sherriffs were right scoundrels and there would probaly be a lot of descendants to apologise to,lol!!!
I have noticed that Sherriff is a hard name to find cus in searches it brings up the Sherriff of a county instead of someone with the surname Sherriff,lol.
To be honest,i havent got much info on the ppl in our family tree,alot of it is from either Henry Dry Bread or from ancestory.I honestly dont know where to look for info apart from ancestory,free bmd,free cen & family search.
 Id love to be able to put faces to names but unfortunatly my Grandad & his family never had any old pictures & have not been able to find any on romany genes etc..
Anyway,better go as son wants to go on facebook again.
Best Wishes
Shaz  :D
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: flyguy on Sunday 28 March 10 14:31 BST (UK)
hi we have never spoken before i think the phyllis smith nee  holland might be my gg grandads sister
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: skyp on Tuesday 27 April 10 03:04 BST (UK)
Keep plodding flumpit2. I was stuck for years before Gemini250554 contacted me, also putting me in contact with davesherriff. Both of whom are previously unknown family.  :)
We share the connection with my Gt Grandmother, Phyllis Smith nee Holland and little bits just fall into place slowly!
(PS hi to both cousins too) ;)
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: gemini250554 on Saturday 03 July 10 19:48 BST (UK)
hi we have never spoken before i think the phyllis smith nee  holland might be my gg grandads sister

Please get in touch, We must be related...
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: flyguy on Monday 05 July 10 20:58 BST (UK)
sorry, it was my great grandfather not gg grandfather, Thomas Holland, sorry to mislead, he was married to Violet Annie Haywood in 1897, regards Glynn
(attatchment: Thomas Holland and Violet Annie Haywood)
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: gemini250554 on Tuesday 06 July 10 23:02 BST (UK)
What a lovely picture, thanks for sharing it...Now I have something interesting here, I have checked my paper work, Isaiah Holland and Matilda Sherriff had I think 6 children,  Phyllis ( my gr grandmother ), Thomas ( your gr grandfather) Benjamin, Isaiah, William and Beatrice, actually Beatrice married an Arthur Samuel Haywood.  So to me looks like the Haywoods for travellers too, they did marry into family...
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: flyguy on Thursday 08 July 10 19:35 BST (UK)
 According to family records  Isaiah and Matilda had another four children ,  Vera , Adelaide,Jonas,and  Henry all   the information i have  leads me to think they travelled the same root having 10 children in approx 17years,the places Isaiah plyed his  trade as a brass brazier and cutler included   Rugeley,  Stoke,Brailsford,  Litchfield , Uttoxetter,Abbots Bromley,Hanbury,and Church Gresley   
                      Regards  Glynn
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: gemini250554 on Thursday 08 July 10 20:18 BST (UK)
Yes, I do believe your are right, my grandparents lived for a while at the Park overseal, I was brought up in Linton, my other grandmother lived in Castle Gresley, I have records that I have found too, that coincided with what you are telling me, I still have cousins living in Burton, plus my dad in Winshill....he is the last brother alive out of 4 from the marriage of Phyliss's daughter to my grand dad....my tree is growing really good....I have Isaiah and Matilda has having 12 children...the most interesting part in my tree is Matilda was a Sherriff, she had Phyllis, Phyllis had Emily, ( my grandma) and she married a Sherriff.....so I am confused as to the Sherriff line, and that is the one I am most interested in.....

Thanks for getting back in touch....If you want to know anything and I can help, you only have to ask.....

regards Julie
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: flyguy on Saturday 10 July 10 19:12 BST (UK)
Just a bit of information that might help. A family of Sherriff's and a family of Holland's were camped at the outwoods in Burton when an incident took place involving three of the Sherriff's son's in the early 1900's. The lads were poaching on farmland when the farmer caught them, a fight started and the farmer and his son were chased off. The farmer came back with the local policeman and the fight continued, later the policeman died of his injuries. Hope Sherriff and Arkless Holland were later arrested for aiding the escape of the Sherriff lads.

regards Glynn
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: gemini250554 on Saturday 10 July 10 19:24 BST (UK)
Thanks for that information, very interesting....so do you have your tree published anywhere, I have mine on ancestory.co.uk....I am interested as to how you come into my tree, I know your gr grandfather, just wondered if I knew anymore of your family.   regards Julie, you could email me....
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: ScallyW on Thursday 15 July 10 21:16 BST (UK)
Hello All,

I have recently come across the name of Sherriff in a tree that I am researching on behalf of someone else although the information was originally given to me by someone on another site.

I am doing a tree primarily centred round the Hodgkins family who travelled in Worcs area and I've just linked a Patience Holland to them somehow.

Now, Patience (1794, Crayton) was apparently married first to a Thomas Hodgkins and had at least  one son called Thomas (1821, Hillton, Leics) who married Unity (1820, Whittaker, Warks).  Patience then married a Jonas Holland (1806, Tate Brook, Warks) and they had John, Joseph, Henry, Isaac, Jacob, Patience and Ezekiah.

There is a 1861 census at Bloxwich, Staffs which list Patience and Jonas Holland plus 16 other people but it's a heck of a confusing census list because only 5 of the total of 18 people have a Relationship noted for them.  Jonas is Head, Patience is Wife, Thomas Hodgkins is 'Son of Patience', John Holland is 'Son of Patience' and then Unity is described as 'Wife of Thomas Hodgkins'.  The rest of them have no description at all ans none of them are in much order of age or connection so it's very difficult to work out who is who.

Now then....    in 1881 there is a census recorded in Great Barr, Staffs in Travelling Vans.

Apart from a couple of Holland families mentioned, there is also a register of a John Sherriff (1848) as Head abiding with Patience Holland listed as Grandmother.  Now, I've traced this John Sherriff down as a son of Jonas Sherriff (1819) and Jane ?? (1822).

What I don't know is the following...

Was Patience's maiden name Sherriff and this is a son she had before she married her first husband Thomas Hodgkins (he's older than the son I have registered to them as being born in 1821 so it is possible) or was he another son of her union with Thomas but just took her maiden name.  Or was John's mother Jane a daughter of Patience and she then married a Sherriff.

Another possible Sherriff I have is Catherine (1800) married to Joseph Hodgkins (1781, Tredington, Worcs).  I say 'possible' because the person who gave me the initial link to Sherriffs and Hodgkins believes that she was a Sherriff but I have nothing so far to back up his theory. 

Joseph and Catherine had, amongst others, Job Hodgkins (1827, Exhall, Warks) who married Trainnet Hodgkins (1825, Tannot, Warks) and this is the line that I'm following for direct descendants.  The connection between these two Sherriffs is that John Holland (1828, Braunton, Warks) s/o Jonas Holland & Patience married Sarah Hodgkins (1824, Braunton, Warks) d/o Joseph Hodgkins and Catherine which makes both mothers possible Sherriffs.

I can't see that any of these names fit in with the names already mentioned on this thread but I was hoping that someone could throw a light on the subject if they are connected to their lines in any way.

Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: gemini250554 on Thursday 15 July 10 21:48 BST (UK)
Hi there, I have read your information, some of it sounds familiar to me but you see so many names when you are researching...I am sure I have some info on Patience Holland, I will look through my paperwork and get back to you.....


Regards Julie
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: ScallyW on Thursday 15 July 10 23:55 BST (UK)
@  gemini250554

Thanks for such a quick response and I would be immensely grateful for anything you can add

Scally
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: Lynden on Sunday 22 August 10 21:50 BST (UK)
HI ya all
 I am a direct off spring of Isaiah Holland & Matilda  Sherriff via their youngest son Henry who was my grn. father, have records showing that they had 15 children which 11 lived.
  Looking for futher info on any of the families, have very little on Phyliss & William Holland.
  The holland famly married into many families i/e Smith, Hollyoke,Haywood, Elliott,Coxon, Horton, Whootton.

  Get back to me @  (*)      Roy Holland  Canada

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Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: gemini250554 on Wednesday 13 October 10 13:18 BST (UK)
Hi Lynden, I too have Isaiah & Matilda Sherriff on my tree. Phyliss Holland was my gt grandmother....regards Julie
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: Lynden on Wednesday 27 October 10 22:07 BST (UK)
Hi Julie

 Any info you can give reguarding Phyliss would be nice, have nothing but the 1891 c, have lots on the remaining family except Williamwhich I am pursuing.

                                                              Roy
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: gemini250554 on Thursday 05 May 11 02:24 BST (UK)
Hi Lynden, Please get back in touch if I can help in anyway, regards Julie
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: chris stocke on Sunday 04 May 14 20:07 BST (UK)
I am the great grandson of Hope and Etty Sherriff and the grandson of John William Sherriff. I am researching my family tree and history,any comments or communication will be much appreciated.
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: chris stocke on Sunday 04 May 14 20:14 BST (UK)
I am the great grandson of Hope and Etty Sherriff and the grandson of John William Sherriff. I am researching my family tree and any communication will be greatly appreciated.Thanks Chris
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: Garen on Sunday 04 May 14 23:56 BST (UK)
I am the great grandson of Hope and Etty Sherriff and the grandson of John William Sherriff. I am researching my family tree and any communication will be greatly appreciated.Thanks Chris

Hello Chris

Hope and Etty (Trinity) were my gggg-uncle and aunt. I have a webpage here (http://www.garenewing.co.uk/family/hodgkins.html) with more detail on where I fit into the Sherriffs (I'm descended from Hope's older brother, Joseph).

Best wishes -
Garen
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: Darren stocke on Friday 08 September 17 20:29 BST (UK)
Also of the sheriff descendants.   Hope and etty being my gg grandad and grandmother.
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: Bax85 on Sunday 10 February 19 23:57 GMT (UK)
Hi All

I know this post hasn't been commented on in quite a few years but I stumbled across this forum and seeing as I am completely stumped thought perhaps someone would be able to help?

I was  Sherriff before I got married and although my family tree has so far been based in Scotland I'm now stuck with the Sherriff line around the 1800's and cant seem to get any further back!  I'm assuming that as Sherriff (especially the way it's spelt) is unusual, perhaps my family originated in England and moved to Scotland?

My last known record is of a James Sherriff (1818 - 1873?) who married a Katherine Westwater in 1846 - they were based in Fife.  I have James father also as James Sherriff marrying a Janet Wishart but I can't get any further - no dates, nothing.

Any help would be majorly appreciated & if I'm thinking along the wrong lines just let me know. 

Thanks, Aimie
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: whiteout7 on Tuesday 12 February 19 08:48 GMT (UK)
Hi All

I know this post hasn't been commented on in quite a few years but I stumbled across this forum and seeing as I am completely stumped thought perhaps someone would be able to help?

I was  Sherriff before I got married and although my family tree has so far been based in Scotland I'm now stuck with the Sherriff line around the 1800's and cant seem to get any further back!  I'm assuming that as Sherriff (especially the way it's spelt) is unusual, perhaps my family originated in England and moved to Scotland?

My last known record is of a James Sherriff (1818 - 1873?) who married a Katherine Westwater in 1846 - they were based in Fife.  I have James father also as James Sherriff marrying a Janet Wishart but I can't get any further - no dates, nothing.

Any help would be majorly appreciated & if I'm thinking along the wrong lines just let me know. 

Thanks, Aimie

My ancestors were from the same area, Dysart, Fife.  There were Romani in Fife but they used local surnames sometimes too, so you could not say the surname Sherriff is exculsive to Romany. The name Sherriff started in England amongst the English and the spelling is all over the place.  My earliest ancestor in Fife was married in 1667. To go back beyond the records at Scotlandspeople and the family search records I looked at old newspapers and asked for local help. With the brides surnames you mention I would start a thread in the Fife section of Rootschat.
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: Bax85 on Tuesday 12 February 19 09:34 GMT (UK)
Whiteout7 - thanks for your reply, I'll give that a go!
Title: Re: SHERRIFF family,Warks,Notts,Staffs,Derby
Post by: Victoria82 on Friday 14 August 20 00:22 BST (UK)
Hi there, Abraham sherriff was my great,  grandad. His son Arthur was my great grandad and his daughter Rose was my nan.