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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Yorkshire (East Riding & York) => Topic started by: MJSJ on Friday 04 September 09 13:19 BST (UK)
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I'm looking for information about John Stamford TATE b 1901 Beverley. (Some records suggest Stanford) and for his father George TATE. George was a police constable and John began life as a police constable.
Many thanks for reading this message.
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just for anyone looking for father and son in 1901
john stamford tate birth was regd in the 3rd qtr of 1901
the census was taken on the 31st march 1901 so he will not appear on the census
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had a look on 1911 census and the only john tate born 1901 with father name george is a john.w.tate
this one appears on the 1901 so not yours
do you know if the family were still in yorkshire in 1911
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Hi all :)
I can see them in 1911, father George and mother Annie. Son is John Stamford all right.
The family are already in Beverley in 1901:
RG13/4462 99 3
Beverley St Nicholas, Yorkshire,
4 Norwood Grove
George Tate, head, 30, Police Constable, b. Middlesboro
Annie, wife, 31, b. Lockington
George W, son, 2, b. Beverley
Charles R, son, 11 mo, b. do.
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Hi all :)
I can see them in 1911, father George and mother Annie. Son is John Stamford all right.
The family are already in Beverley in 1901:
RG13/4462 99 3
Beverley St Nicholas, Yorkshire,
4 Norwood Grove
George Tate, head, 30, Police Constable, b. Middlesboro
Annie, wife, 31, b. Lockington
George W, son, 2, b. Beverley
Charles R, son, 11 mo, b. do
well done tati wonder why i could'nt find them? in 1911
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Many thanks Wozzle and Tati. I will put this information with what I have. :)
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now i can see them
the son george. middle name is wilfred
the son charles middle name is robert.
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This marriage looks highly likely
Mar 1898 Beverley 9d 133
George Tate - Annie Stamford
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Thanks again Wozzle and Tati. :)
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I can see Annie Stamford on earlier censuses but no George Tate born Middlesborough at all :(
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I may have a possible candidate after all:
1871 census
RG10/4896 74 22
Linthorpe, Yorkshire
17 Kendal St
Robert Date, head, 26, Labourer (Ironworks), b. York Lockington
Hannah Eliz, wife, 24, b. Beverley
George, son, 5 mo, b. Middlesbro
The surname is clearly Date on the census image, but previous censuses don't show a Robert Date born ca. 45 Lockington - there is however a matching Robert Tate
George's age matches a Dec 1870 birth registration of a George Tate in Stockton registration district (covered Middlesbrough) - there isn't a birth for a George Date around the same time.
Not sure where they all disappear to after 1871 :P
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Really don't know why it took me so long to find him in 1881! ???
http://www.rootschat.com/links/0715/
RG11/4780 83 19
The transcription is very strange though - I'll post my own interpretation in a mo. The original helps confirm a marriage I found earlier:
Dec 1869 Beverley 9d 238
Robert Tate - Nora Elizabeth Cooper
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RG11/4780 83 19
Hull Holy Trinity
8 Kingston Ter
Anora E Tate, head, wid, 31, no occupation Widow of a Well Sinker, b. Yorks Beverley
George, son, 10, scholar, b. Durham Middlesbro
Florence, dau, 4, b. Yorks Hull
Mary E, dau, 2, b. do.
Eliza, dau, 6 mo, b. do.
I've no idea where the LDS transcription of her occupation comes from! ;D
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So now we have both George's parents before their marriage:
Annora Elizabeth Cooper (birth registered Dec 1849 Beverley 23 8 ) and Robert Tate
1851
HO107/2359 246 2
Beverley St Mary, Yorkshire
Selleys? Yard
William Cooper, head, 37, Whitesmith
Anna, wife, 28
Thomas, son, 5
John, son, 3
Annora, dau, 1
All born Beverley
In 1861, Anora is in the workhouse with her mother Ann (who is shown as married) and younger sisters Ann age 8 and Mary age 5 (RG9/3569 49 15)
Robert's parents were called William and Ann as well!
1851
HO107/2359 714 19
Lockington, Yorkshire
William Tate, head, 51, Ag lab, b. Yorks Riverbridge?
Ann, wife, 50, b. Lockington
George, son, s, 24, Ag lab, b. do.
Ellen, dau, 11, scholar, b. do.
Robert, son, 7, scholar, b. do.
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Shall we trace Annie Stamford back now?
I suppose you've found her in 1881 with widowed father Charles and many siblings. Here she is in 1871, mother still alive:
1871
RG10/4771 68 16
Lockington, Yorkshire
Charles Stamford, head, 38, Builder & Machinist, b. Beverley
Sarah, wife, 32, b. Beswick
Emily, dau, 12, b. Lockington
Elizabeth A, dau, 9, b. do.
Charles H?, son, 6, b. do.
Sarah, dau, 4, b. do.
Ellen, dau, 3, b. do.
Anne, dau, 1, b. do.
John R Wilson, apprentice, unm, 19, Machinist Apprentice, b. Hull
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Marriage Charles Stanford to possibly Sarah Clark
Dec 1857 Beverley 9d 227
1851
HO107/2359 299 15
Beverley St Mary, Yorkshire
Walkergate
Hutchinson Stamford, head, 51, Machine Maker, b. Beverley
Elizabeth, wife, 52, b. Brand? Burton
Charles, son, 19, Blacksmith Journeyman, b. Beverley
Sarah, dau, 8, at home, b. do.
Sarah Clark(e) was already in service at age 12 in 1851 >:(
This might be her in 1841:
HO107/1218/6 13? 2
Beswick, Yorkshire
John Clark, 25, Tailor
Mary, 25
Sarah, 2
Ellen, 7 mo
The family are in Lockington by 1851.
Hutchinson Stamford's birth and marriage are on the IGI at www.familysearch.org
There's also a likely christening for William Cooper
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:)You people are amazing! Thank you so much for all this information. And the Date/Tate man is an interesting one. I am going to have to map it all out for myself so that I can have a better look. Many thanks again. I really appreciate it.
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There was a George TATE joined the East Riding Police force on 11.9.1879 followed by a George Wilfred TATE who was PC 10, he joined1.11.1920, Hope this helps in some way
Rockofages
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Hi,
Just found this thread.
Charles Stamford Lockington was my Great Grandfather. Annie I knew married a Tate as I went to school with a Michael Tate who turned out to be my second cousin His father was a Policeman at Witherensea. I have the Stamford's line back quite a long way. Graves in Beverley Minster, Burton Pidsea.
David
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Hi
I'm trying to find out some info on my grandfather John William Walker who was a policeman in Hull in 1911. He was born in 1887 and lived in the Sculcoates area. I have found a policeman of that name on the 1911 census living at 1 Churchill Terrace, Durham St, aged 24, but I don't know if that's definitely him as there may have been other policemen of that name and age at the same time. Can you help me find out if there was more than one Hull policeman by that name circa 1911?
Thanks for any help or info you can give
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Hi David,
This is the first time I have seen this message and in case you havn't had any replies I'll give you what I have got. I have 4 Tates in the East Riding they are 1, George TATE Joined 11.9.1897 no number given. 2, George Wilfred TATE PC 10 Joined 1.11.1920. Harold TATE PC 131 Joined 6.7,1931. Tom TATE PC 216 Joined 1.12.1947.
That is all I have hope they are useful
Rockofages
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Hi
I'm trying to find out some info on my grandfather John William Walker who was a policeman in Hull in 1911. He was born in 1887 and lived in the Sculcoates area. I have found a policeman of that name on the 1911 census living at 1 Churchill Terrace, Durham St, aged 24, but I don't know if that's definitely him as there may have been other policemen of that name and age at the same time. Can you help me find out if there was more than one Hull policeman by that name circa 1911?
Thanks for any help or info you can give
it might be a better idea to start a new post
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Thanks for the advice. First time I've used this and think I got a little confused. Have started a new post now. :-[
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George Tate's sister Elizabeth was my wife's Great Gran - she lived to 97 so my wife knew her quite well.
There is an article about their mother Annora (known as Norah) and about both George Tate's in the Beverley Guardian of July 27th 1935 (my in-laws have a copy of some sort). Also a photo of four generations of the family appeared alongside the article.
Annora's first four children (George 1870, Florence 1877, Mary Ellen 1878, Elizabeth 1880) were with Robert Tate, who we believe then disappeared, which is why she was later unable to marry Anthony Taylor, who she lived with. The four children with Anthony Taylor I believe had Tate as their surname, but Taylor as their middle name (Hilda 1885, Anthony 1887, Thomas 1889, Muriel 1892). The way they responded to the census was interesting (!):
1891 10, Alberlas Terrace, Holy Trinity And St Mary, Kingston Upon Hull
TATE, Annora Head Widow F 40 1851 Lodging House Keeper Beverley
Yorkshire VIEW
TATE, Florence Daughter F 14 1877 Scholar Hull
Yorkshire VIEW
TATE, Hilda Daughter F 6 1885 Scholar Hull
Yorkshire VIEW
TATE, Antony Son M 3 1888
Hull
Yorkshire VIEW
TAYLER, Antony Boarder Single M 41 1850 Railway Laborer Caistor
Lincolnshire VIEW
RG number:
RG12 Piece:
3945 Folio:
64 Page:
30
1901 10 Alberta Terrace, Parrott Street, Hull
Anthony Taylor Head 50 Caistor Railway platelayer
Annora Tate Sister 50 Beverley Housekeeper
Hilda Tate Niece 16 Hull
Thomas Tate Nephew 13 Hull
Muriel Tate Niece 9 Hull
Annora was the daughter of William Cooper and Ann(a) Wa(r)ters, she was named after her aunt Annora Cooper.
Elizabeth Tate, my wife's great gran, married Joseph Harland and had just one child, my wife's Gran Beatrice Annie Harland who was born in 1906.
I have only limited details of the other Tate descent lines (and a complete lack of death dates) and would be interested in knowing more. I do know George Wilfred Tate married Elise V Whitaker in 1924 and had a son Dennis, born 1925. Muriel Taylor Tate married John H Walker in 1913. Hilda Taylor Tate married Henry Goulton in 1920, sons William 1922 and John c1925.
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Hi, I realise that I'm some years late adding to this thread, but I've been doing some work on my partner's tree and we've traced back to George Tate / Robert and Annora Tate... Would be great to share info on this family if possible?
Regards, Alison
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Ok, a bit more here Alison
It's been a while since I properly looked at this family ... too busy with project work for the past couple of years. But some extra info that may help
I have William Cooper's parents as John Cooper bap. 1776 Dec 28 at St Mary, Beverley and Ann Norris, who John married on Valentine's Day 1809, also at St Mary
Anna Waters parents James Waters from York and Mary Ridley from Selby married 1803 April 24rh in Selby.
Willian Cooper & Anna Waters daughter Mary Ellen Cooper 1856 married Edward Binnington from Woodmansey on 5th February 1880 at St Mary, Beverley
Their son George Edward Binnington 1880 marries Florence May Telford 1913 in Chester-Le-Street.
Mary & Edwards son Albert Ernest Binnington b. about 1897 married Mary Annie Eltringham in 1918 somewhere in Beverley district.
Guessing you probably have this from 1911 census:
30 Mill Lane, Beverley
George Tate 40 Middlesborough Police Constable
Annie Tate 40 Lockington 5 children living, 1 died
George Wilfred Tate 12 Beverley
Charles Robert Tate 10 Beverley
John Stamford Tate 9 Beverley
Cyril Tate 7 Beverley
Harold Tate 2 Beverley
Annie Tate was the daughter of Lockington joiner Charles Stamford and his wife Sarah (nee Clark).
Speculative - A Charles R Tate marries Mary Drewery in 1924 in Beverley district, but I haven't proven whether or not Charles Robert from the above family (anyone know?)
A couple of updates about people previously mentioned
It appears Dennis Tate (middle name Leonard) married Vera Jefferson in 1954.
William H Goulton married Hazel McDonald in 1953
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Roy thank you for your very useful post particularly relating to Hilda Taylor Tate and her two sons William and John. Whilst not related by birth She adopted my mother and she was my Grandmother,and her two sons my Uncle Arthur (John) and Uncle Bill. She lived at 30 Mill Lane Beverley with her sister Mary Ellen Tate when I did her errands in the 50s/60s and I had not appreciated her link to George Wilfred Tate who lived there as a boy. I bought George Wilfrid Tate's medals some years ago and stumbled on your note re Hilda and the Tate family while I was researching him. What a bonus thank you so much.
Andrew Grantham.
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Just found this entry, Have William Cooper and Hutchinson Stamford going back a few years, also Waters, Norris & Binnington as well
Best, gogogadgetlegs
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George Tate married Annie Stamford 1898 Parents of Annie, Charles Stamford & Mary Clark marr 1857 Kilnwick, Parents of Charles Stamford, Hutchinson Stamford & Elizabeth Maxwell, Parents of Hutchinson Stamford, William Stamford & Ann Hutchinson on onwards
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