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Ireland (Historical Counties) => Ireland => Derry (Londonderry) => Topic started by: coolafinney on Saturday 05 September 09 05:43 BST (UK)
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Hello, This is my first post here, although I have read many message and think this site is just wonderful and the moderators are spectacular!
I am researching my Jamieson/Jamison family from the Waterside area of Londonderry. David Alexander Jamieson was b 1891. His father was Thomas Jamieson who married Minnie (Mary) Campbell also 1891, 2nd Presbyterian Church Gllendermott. Thomas' father was John James Jamison ( variant in spelling). He was married to Sarah Steel. John James was also father to Martha Jamieson (who married Alexander Jamieson 1889 also at 2nd Presbyterian Church Glendermott) and Andrew Jamieson. I would love to know if anybody has any information on Jamiesons in the Waterside or Londonderry in general. Because Thomas and Minnie died whilst my grandfather David was very young,( i.e about 8 years old), there has been a breakdown in passing on family information. Since I live in Australia now what is the easiest way to access a birth cert for John James please?
I believe there may be a connection with Jamieson's from the Eglinton area also but have not proved this as yet.
I have discovered that John James Jamieson was also the father of William John Jamieson who married Eliza Mary Hunter in 1886. William was a clerk at that time and Eliza Mary Hunter was a teacher. Eliza Mary's father was William Henry Hunter. John James Jamieson was listed as a clerk also on the marriage record and William henry Hunter was a farmer.
In the 1911 census I see that William John Jamieson was a widower and was father of Sara Jamieson aged 23, William Hunter Jamieson aged 19 and John Steele Jamieson who was 15 years old. William John jamieson was a grocer.
Thanks so much!
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Welcome to Rootschat. First of all, this looks like your David Jamieson in 1911 census-
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/reels/nai002856573/
The name is transcribed as David D. but the scanned image says David A.
The address is Spencer Road (no house number), Waterside. Head of household is Martha Campbell, 26, and also there is her sister Sarah Campbell, age 22. Both are costumers dressmakers, single, born Co.Donegal. David, listed as nephew but they've made so many mistakes (see form) that he could be cousin, age 18, engineer in foundry, born Londonderry city.
With this link you can search for other relatives in 1911 census-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/search
Now to answer your query re: birth certificate- civil registration of births, deaths and Catolic marriages began 1864 (from 1845 for other marriages). As Thomas Jamieson was married in 1891 is father John James Jamieson would have been born before 1864 so there will be no birth certificate.
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Thank you so much for that info. I had heard rumours that my grandfather David Alexander was "brought up" by his aunts after his parents died. Also that they were dressmakers. I am so so grateful to you for adding to this family info. David Alexander was an engineer and he lived in Spencer Road after he married. Thanks again. I will look at that link for sure.
So if I can't find any birth cert for John James is there any further way of finding out who his father was?
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IGI (International Genealogical Index) at www.family.search.org lists 4 children for John James Jamieson and Sarah Steel-
Robert born 18 Mar.1865 Glendermott
Sarah Jane born 19 Feb.1867 Glendermott
Martha born 19 Apr.1869 Co.Londonderry
Andrew born 9 July 1871 Co.Londonderry
Since the family seem to be Presbyterian and it's likely that John James and Sarah were married after 1845 (start of marriage registration) there should probably be a marriage registration for them. See here for index (free)-
http://pilot.familysearch.org/recordsearch/start.html#p=collectionDetails;t=searchable;c=1408347
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Thanks so much for that. There are many John Jamiesons (surprisingly to me ) so I will have a good look around. Thanks again,Linda
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Hi Coolafinney,
I do research into 1st World War soldiers from Londonderry.
There are a number of Jamiesons that served with the 10th Inniskilling Fusiliers.
James. A, Thomas and Charles, plus another Inniskilling, Herbert W.
James A. and Herbert were brothers with an initial address of Duke Street in the 1911 census, but with a later address of Eglington, after the war [C 1920].
Duke Street and Specer Road are very close to each other in the Waterside.
There is also a James Jameson that is listed on the Glendermott Presbyterian Church Roll of Honour for those who served in the war. He too served in the 10th Inniskillings.
Have you looked at the Ulster Covenant on the Public Record Office Northern Ireland web-site?
Rob
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Hi Rob, Thanks so much for that. It is very interesting and I will explore the possibilities of those names being part of my family. I am so glad that you are interested in those men who served and whose memory is kept alive by people like you.
I acquired some of my grandmother's papers and photographs and I had always been intrigued by a photograph of a young soldier in dress uniform in front of a very exotic backdrop. The studio was
in Trimulgherry India. On the back is an inscription which says to Miss
Maggie Quinn ,(my grandmother) from Henry A Adams G Coy, 1st R Innis Fus R, Gough Barracks ,
Trimulghery (sic) India 10th 1st 1914. I happened upon the Diamond Memorial Project based in Londonderry and found his name on there with some information about his army life. Turns out he was my grandmother's cousin, son of Elizabeth Adams nee West who served in India. He went to the War and lost his life in 1919. I did a little bit of research on his batallion and I believe he may have died at Gallipoli.
Thanks for the other names. Finding people like this enrich our family histories.
Yes I have looked on the covenant. There are quite a few Jamiesons on there including my grandfather (although his name is spelt Jamison).
Thanks again,
Linda
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Linda,
I have done a quick look up on your Henry Adams on the Commonwealth War Graves Commission website. Henry died in France on 15 July 1916. I think that the Diamond Memorial Project site says that it was his mother Lizzie who died in 1919.
Regards
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Hi Rob,
Woops, sorry, of course it would have been earlier than 1919!! Thanks for pointing out my error.
Cheers,Linda
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Hi
Address was 111 Spencer Road
Regards
BF
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Thanks for the added info bigfellow98.
Cheers,Linda
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Hi
Address was 111 Spencer Road
Regards
BF
In 1911 the house number on form was 111 but that is not the street address (no number given)- see form B on census page.
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Correction adress in 1909 was 117 Spencer road (derry Almanac 1909)
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My wife's great grandmother is Elizabeth Jamieson, born Clady District 1866, daughter of James Jamieson (1844-1896) and Mary Ann Smith (1844-1901) who were married at Holy Trinity 27 Dec 1861. This family went to Port Glasgow about 1863-1865 where James worked in the shipyards. I'm stonewalled at their parents. Elizabeth married John McKay in 1889 in Port Glasgow. John McKay's family were from Ballintoy. Happy to exchange info in you are still interested.
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On a whim today I was looking at Google Earth trying to find the address of some distant relatives back in Port Glasgow, Scotland to find that the address doesn't exist anymore (40 Bay Street, Port Glasgow). So I did a Google search on "John McKay, 1889, Port Glasgow, Scotland" and eventually somehow came upon your thread on RootsChat.com. So I read all your threads and you mention frequently some of my relatives. So I thought I'd respond to one of your threads and tell you the few things I have.
John McKay was my father's, mother's father and I have a scanned copy of his passport (with pic) with a date stamped 12 Jul, 1925 (or 1926) when he came to America. He married Catherine and they had Agnes, John, Jane, George, Theresa. I also have a copy of John and Catherine's marriage certificate dated Feb 1, 1913 in Port Glasgow. I have a scanned copy of the Visas for Agnes, John, Jane and George dated 6 Aug 1925.
My immediate line extending back to McKay & Sweeney are:
1. My Kids - **
2. Me - Mike Seawood **
3. Father - Chuck Seawood **
4. Grandmother - Agnes Seawood (McKay) - New Hyde Park, NY (deceased 1985?)
5. Great-Grandparents - John & Catherine Mckay
6. Great-Grandparents - John McKay & Elizabeth Jamieson, Patrick Sweene & Esther Mcalindon
** Moderator's Note: details of living people removed in accordance with Rootschat policy
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Hello there. I came across your link whilst searching for information about my Grandfather William Jamieson. He was originally from Eglinton, Co. Derry but his wife died in childbirth and all I know about him is that he worked as a quarryman in scotland until his death in Inverness. His children, including my Mother were brought up by maternal relations. I know william continued to send money and clothes packages home for his children but I think due to the mixed marriage, Catholic and Protestant, family links were not maintained. I am working on the family tree but have drawn a complete blank regarding Irish records. It would be interesting to know if we had some link. Back then, Eglinton was quite a small village, so I imagine that there is a possibility we have a link. :)
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My wife's Jamiesons appear to be from Crossballycormick, Lower Cumber. There is a William, but he was born in Port Glasgow. Do you have dates for your William?
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Hi, I do not know if my relative is connected to your family but I am currently trying to research an Alexander Jameson, from Derry, who married my grandmother's sister Martha Sterling, whose parents were John Sterling and Elizabeth Steel. I am just curious, as I can find no information on Alexander Jameson whether he is connected to your family. Thanks :)
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no direct relationship that I know of, but is this the Martha born April 1869 who married Alexander in 1889 at 2nd Presby. Church in Glendermot?
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no direct relationship that I know of, but is this the Martha born April 1869 who married Alexander in 1889 at 2nd Presby. Church in Glendermot?
Hmm, this is interesting - the Martha in my family was born around 1869-1870, she was a Presbyterian and did marry an Alexander Jameson. I shall have a quick look to see where she was married and get back to you shortly! :)
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Hi,
Alexander Jamieson married Martha Sterling in St. Columbs Church of Ireland, Londonderry City on 19 Jul 1995.
Regards
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Hello, This is my first post here, although I have read many message and think this site is just wonderful and the moderators are spectacular!
I am researching my Jamieson/Jamison family from the Waterside area of Londonderry. David Alexander Jamieson was b 1891. His father was Thomas Jamieson who married Minnie (Mary) Campbell also 1891, 2nd Presbyterian Church Gllendermott. Thomas' father was John James Jamison ( variant in spelling). He was married to Sarah Steel. John James was also father to Martha Jamieson (who married Alexander Jamieson 1889 also at 2nd Presbyterian Church Glendermott) and Andrew Jamieson. I would love to know if anybody has any information on Jamiesons in the Waterside or Londonderry in general. Because Thomas and Minnie died whilst my grandfather David was very young,( i.e about 8 years old), there has been a breakdown in passing on family information. Since I live in Australia now what is the easiest way to access a birth cert for John James please?
I believe there may be a connection with Jamieson's from the Eglinton area also but have not proved this as yet.
I have discovered that John James Jamieson was also the father of William John Jamieson who married Eliza Mary Hunter in 1886. William was a clerk at that time and Eliza Mary Hunter was a teacher. Eliza Mary's father was William Henry Hunter. John James Jamieson was listed as a clerk also on the marriage record and William henry Hunter was a farmer.
In the 1911 census I see that William John Jamieson was a widower and was father of Sara Jamieson aged 23, William Hunter Jamieson aged 19 and John Steele Jamieson who was 15 years old. William John jamieson was a grocer.
Thanks so much!
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Have just seen your post for Jamison. I used to visit their house in Spencer Road as Maggie Jamison was my father's cousin. This was in the 1940's and 50's.
I am decended from the Wests of Coolafinney in Eglington. My grandmother is Elizabeth West, who married John Adams. My dad's eldest brother is the Henry A. Adams on the war memorial. My father also had cousins named Quinn. I have some photographs of the West and Adams families, also a photograph of some of the Jamison family taken in the back garden of the house in Spencer Road.
Will post again when I collate some photographs and information for any of you who are interested, as soon as time permits.
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Hi Joe, Thanks so much for your post and the very exciting links which you mentioned. My grandmother Maggie Jamieson (nee Quinn ) used to talk about her West family all the time. Her father was Thomas Quinn and her mother was Mary West. Mary West's father was from Eglinton. I think Mary and your grandmother Elizabeth were sisters. Some of the West family emigrated to Australia, one of them, Major West was a ship's surgeon and his brothers followed him there and they became graziers and have a family homestead which has been restored although not owned now by the West family. I would love to hear any more of your family stories or memories and to see the photos. I have a potograph of Henry Arthur Adams that you might be interested in so I will get that scanned for you. I am astounded by your message!!
Kind regards,Linda
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Hi Linda
Thanks for the prompt reply. I never thought I would ever see a West/Adams/etc post on the internet.
I will write some stuff out in longhand during the weekend, and talk to one of my sisters.
My dad had a good story about an uncle who was a ships doctor, which was handed down in the family.
Will contact soon.
Joe.
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Thanks Joe, I can't wait to hear your stories! My great grandfather, Maggie Jamieson's grandfather was called James West. There was also a Joseph West. Did you ever hear of him? I wonder how he fitted into the family? Like you I never expected to see a West conection on here. I was so thrilled when I found out who the soldier in my photo was through the War Memorial project but I never though I would be writing to one of his relations!
Look forward to hearing more,Linda
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Hi,
I have a John James Jamieson in my family tree. We dont know much about any of this branch of the family. The family name changes from Jameson/Jamison to Jamieson.
All i know that Margaret Hall born in Irleland daughter of George Hall was married to a Charles Jameson/later Jamieson son of Alexander Jamieson on the 16th May 1861 in Belfast Antrim
They had a daughter Margaret Jamieson who was born 4 years before their marriage (perhaps charles was married before) born in Irleand
They had John James Jamieson born in 1861 (no birth certificate age taken from census.) born in Irleand
and Hannah 'anne' Jamieson born in Liverpool, England. They family lived in Regent Street Liverpool later after leaving Irleand.
Sadly Charles a dock labourer dies aged 41 in June.
Margaret remarries a widower David Gillespies a sailmaker in liverpool several years later.
i cant locate Hannahs brothers or sisters after the 1871 census.
When Hannah died John James Jamieson was listed as her 'dad'
Hope you get this message. If this rings right with any information you have or could be the same John James Jamieson please leave a message. I'll check back here for messages.
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Hi
David Alexander Jamieson is/was my grandfather. If you are still looking for info, drop me a line at *, and i can give you some info including a family tree.
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Hi I stumbled across this post your grandmother Maggie was my great aunt. I have been researching my mum's family quinn originally from enniskillen. Her father was James Maggies brother. It would be great to hear from you. Hopefully you get this post.
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Hi I'm researching my mum's family and came across this post. Maggie jamison née quinn from Spencer road was her aunt. My mum's grandmother was mary quinn nee West from cross sreet. Any help would be great hopefully this message reaches you tks martin.
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Hello.
My mum was Mary Jamieson born in Waterside and lived in Eglinton. Her mother was Margaret English, her father William Jamieson. Margaret had three other children, Margaret, Anne and William. William Jamieson was a quarryman and worked in Scotland. Margaret died during childbirth and Mary, Anne and William were brought up by the Duddy family in Eglinton. Does this link in anywhere with your findings? I've never been able to find out much on the family. Best wishes, Marie.
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Hi Marie I think that's a different family from ours. But I know that there is still jamison families living in eglington area. They own a company called evergreen lawns also they are farmers.
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I am interested in a James Andrew Jamieson who married a Kathleen Grieve 29 July 1920, Great James St Presbyterian Church Londonderry. His father is listed as George on the certificate. This fits in with the Jamiesons in Duke St 1911 census. The rest of the information on the certificate - witness names and Kathleen's father's name and occupation would point to Kathleen being an Aunt of mine. The only problem is that she does not appear to be recorded by the family nor is there a birth record on the GRONI site. Age is 'full' on the certificate so she must have been born between 1889ish and 1899. When the Grieve(s) siblings were getting married they lived at 32 Spencer Rd. Duke St and Spencer Rd have been mentioned before in the thread as being close. Does anyone have any information on this couple? Rob Elliott did mention earlier in the thread that a Andrew J and a Herbert Jamieson (brothers) were in the Ebrington area after WW!
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I am interested in a James Andrew Jamieson who married a Kathleen Grieve 29 July 1920, Great James St Presbyterian Church Londonderry. His father is listed as George on the certificate. This fits in with the Jamiesons in Duke St 1911 census. The rest of the information on the certificate - witness names and Kathleen's father's name and occupation would point to Kathleen being an Aunt of mine. The only problem is that she does not appear to be recorded by the family nor is there a birth record on the GRONI site. Age is 'full' on the certificate so she must have been born between 1889ish and 1899. When the Grieve(s) siblings were getting married they lived at 32 Spencer Rd. Duke St and Spencer Rd have been mentioned before in the thread as being close. Does anyone have any information on this couple? Rob Elliott did mention earlier in the thread that a Andrew J and a Herbert Jamieson (brothers) were in the Ebrington area after WW!
Is this not a possibility for her (Kathleen / Catherine) in 1901 and 1911?
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/No__2_Urban__South_Ward/Windmill_Terrace/1536501/
http://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Londonderry/Londonderry_Urban__2_/Windmill_Terrace/602698/
Father Thomas Grieve was described in the 1920 Grieve - Jamieson marriage as a mechanic. Likewise the Thomas in the above census returns was described as a mechanic when he married Mary Eliza Hart on 27 June 1888. Daughter Catherine was born 17 August 1892, again Thomas was described as a mechanic.
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Familysearch has a record of Catherine Grieves born 1892 Londonderry. GRONI also records the surname as Grieves.
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Thank you gaffy and familyroutes for you quick reply. We have the birth details for all (?) the Grieve(s) children born to Thomas and Eliza Mary Hart(e) living in Windmill Terrace for the 1901/11 census. They had 14 in the end (last one in 1916 my father). Catherine is one of them and there is no record of her marrying anyone. As you did, I also wondered if Kathleen was actually Catherine. The problem is that apparently the family knew her as Cassie. In fact she was a witness to a sisters marriage in 1916 and signed as Cassie Grieve. Also on the Kathleen Grieve/ James Andrew Jamieson marriage certificate 1920 Kathleen quite clearly signs as Kathleen. This is why I was trying to approach the problem from the Jamieson side to see if anyone had any information and knew of the marriage. Maybe something will pop up.
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I'd say that Catherine and Kathleen are one and the same. I've several Catherine's in my tree from that era (and area) that were known as Cassie. Maybe she gave her name at the marriage as Cassie and the minister recorded it as Kathleen? As an aside I've noticed a regional difference between the names Kathleen and Catherine...I've lots of Derry Catherines but no Kathleens!
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Hello familyroutes. I am beginning to think you are right and that Kathleen is in fact Catherine. I take on board that Cassie is also a diminutive of Kathleen. Your suggestion that the minister at the wedding may not have been impressed by someone giving her name as Cassie and 'suggesting' Kathleen might be more appropriate is interesting. The marriage certificate actually has the bride and groom signing the document. In other words it is not a transcribed copy. This means she will have signed it as Kathleen knowing she was 'born' a Catherine. People do take on new names for whatever reason and she may have done this some time before 1920. Maybe that happened in this case. Interestingly I have just (literally) come across the death cert of the father of the siblings which shows a Kathleen Jamieson daughter as being present at death. I think that confirms that there was a Kathleen in the family and was probably 'Catherine'. Thank you for your help. It is always useful to get other thoughts on a subject.
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Maybe she didn't know she was christened Catherine if she was known a Cassie from the word go!!!
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Hello, It appears to be quite a while since you posted for Jamison. My great grandmother was Margaret Jamison born abt. 1941 in Londonderry and lived in Eglinton. I don't know her parents' names but based on the Irish naming tradition, they could have been James and Sarah.
She was married to James Farren.
Hope to hear from you and share information.
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Hello, It appears to be quite a while since you posted for Jamison. My great grandmother was Margaret Jamison born abt. 1941 in Londonderry and lived in Eglinton. I don't know her parents' names but based on the Irish naming tradition, they could have been James and Sarah.
She was married to James Farren.
Hope to hear from you and share information.
Just came across your first post here (welcome to Rootschat) but I think you mean Margaret Jamison was born 1841 not 1941?
Children of James Farren & Margaret Jamieson- Eglinton is the sub-registration district-
Elizabeth (1865 Doneybrewer) LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1865/03563/2312254.pdf)
Margaret (1867 Doneybrewer) LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1867/03475/2276586.pdf)
Mary (1870 Doneybrewer) LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1870/03347/2227196.pdf)
Hannah (1872 Doneybrewer) LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1872/03223/2181579.pdf)
Sarah Bella (1878 Campsie) LINK (https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/birth_returns/births_1878/02965/2086208.pdf)
If they were Catholic then marriage might have taken place before civil registration of Catholic marriages (1864) which means you'll need to look for a church record of their marriage. Possibly they had other children born before the start of birth registration (also 1864) so church records might give details on those as well.
This might be your James & Margaret Farren-
www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Londonderry/Eglinton/Campsie_Lower/1527546
If so, looks like James Farren committed suicide in 1903-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1903/05662/4594290.pdf
Possible death for Margaret- informant daughter Lizzie McLaughlin-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/deaths_returns/deaths_1905/05603/4575049.pdf
Here's Elizabeth's marriage to Charles McLaughlin-
https://civilrecords.irishgenealogy.ie/churchrecords/images/marriage_returns/marriages_1885/10858/5964678.pdf
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Just coming very late to this chat, hoping a few people can help or I can maybe help too.
I see there has been mention of the West family from Eglinton (Muff) & the Jaimeson family, some who moved to Australia. That would be my line.
My 4 x Great Grandfather is Thomas West b abt. 1768 who married Elizabeth Jaimeson b. abt. 1766.
Along with his brother John West b 1756 (m. Martha Ross) came out with their families in 1821. They were both graziers & I believe John was a land surveyor in Ireland. Their brother Major b 1777 was a surgeon & arrived in 1815 a widower at the time.
They also had two other brothers who stayed in Ireland I believe Henry West b. 1770 (m. Jane Inch) & James West b 1775.
Hope someone is still out there looking. It's a big rabbit hole.
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Hi Joe, Thanks so much for your post and the very exciting links which you mentioned. My grandmother Maggie Jamieson (nee Quinn ) used to talk about her West family all the time. Her father was Thomas Quinn and her mother was Mary West. Mary West's father was from Eglinton. I think Mary and your grandmother Elizabeth were sisters. Some of the West family emigrated to Australia, one of them, Major West was a ship's surgeon and his brothers followed him there and they became graziers and have a family homestead which has been restored although not owned now by the West family. I would love to hear any more of your family stories or memories and to see the photos. I have a potograph of Henry Arthur Adams that you might be interested in so I will get that scanned for you. I am astounded by your message!!
Kind regards,Linda
Linda,
You may be interested in my family too. My 4 x Great Grandfather is Thomas West m Elizabeth Jaimeson brothers John, Major, Henry & James some of which came to Australia. Looking to fill in many holes.
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Hi Linda
Thanks for the prompt reply. I never thought I would ever see a West/Adams/etc post on the internet.
I will write some stuff out in longhand during the weekend, and talk to one of my sisters.
My dad had a good story about an uncle who was a ships doctor, which was handed down in the family.
Will contact soon.
Joe.
Joe,
I'm hoping all the West investigators are still on here.
The Uncle you speak of is my 4 x Great Grand Uncle Major West who came to Australia in 1815 & ended up being the Assistant Surgeon in the Sydney Colony amongst other things & the story of getting most his equipment taken in a pirate attack on the high seas.
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Joe,
I'm hoping all the West investigators are still on here.
The Uncle you speak of is my 4 x Great Grand Uncle Major West who came to Australia in 1815 & ended up being the Assistant Surgeon in the Sydney Colony amongst other things & the story of getting most his equipment taken in a pirate attack on the high seas.
Hi Wallabywest. This is Joe from a new account as I no longer have the login for the oakmead account.
For some reason I searched for "West family Eglinton" for the first time in many years. Saw your post and recognised that to be my family. I am the grandson of Elizabeth West from Eglinton. She was my father's mother and died long before I was born. She married my grandfather Adams who was a English soldier from Bermondsey in London. They lived in Cross Street (in the census it is spelled as Gross Street) and then Ebrington Street for many years, and that is where I was raised. Looking forward to hearing from you and we can exchange more information in the coming weeks.
Joe
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Hi Joe,
I thought I'd reply here as well just in case. I have sent you a personal message with my details there so you can get in contact with me. This is great, finally some connection to the missing part of the family that stayed behind. So looking forward to finding out about the family & sharing what we have collected on this side of the world.
Daniel West