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Title: Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Tuesday 04 May 04 23:53 BST (UK)
Over the past 15 years I have aquired a large amount of books concerning the Local History of Sussex, especially the Hastings and Lewes area's

Included are  
1801 Census for Ticehurst
1831 Census for Ticehurst
1821 Chiddingly Census
1821 East Hoathy Census
1821 East Dean Cencus
1821 Hartfield Census
1821 Census for St Mary, Hastings, East Sussex
1831 Census for St Mary, Hastings, East Sussex
1831 Census for St Clement, Hastings, East Sussex
1831 Census for Uckfield, East Sussex
1821 Hailsham Census
1831 Hailsham Census
1831 Census St John Sub Castro, Lewes
1811 Population, Jury List, Voters List 1832 - St Michael, Lewes
1851 Census for East Sussex - 23 volumes of the June Barnes 1851 Census transcription (160,000+ names) for the eastern Part of the county.
1851 Census for Brighton & District on Fiche - Volume 24 of above.
1841 Census for Eastbourne
1861 Census for Eastbourne
1828 Crown Survey of America Ground / Wastelands - (Over 1000 inhabitants)
1836 - 37 Hastings Registered Electors - listing Name, Trade/Profession & Employer.
Robertson Street & George Street Hastings - 1841, 51, 61, 71, 81 & 91 Census
1838 Withyham Inhabitants
1863 Ewhurst Householders

NEW* Pigot's Trade Directory of Sussex 1832-3-4

I have also acquired Volume 1 – 12 of the PBN 1841 Census transcription for Sussex.
Volume                             Area Covered
1.  Arlington, Hailsham, Herstmonceux, Wartling, Hooe, Ninfield
2.  Hollington, Bexhill, Catsfield, Crowhurst, Westfield, Sedlescombe, Ewhurst
3.  Pett, Guestling, Fairlight, Ore, Hastings all Saints
4.  Whatlington, Mountfield, Battle, Brightling, Dallington, Penhurst, Ashburnham
5.  Lamberhurst, Frant
6.  Burwash, Ticehurst, Etchington
7.  Pevensey, Westham, Willingdon, Jevington, Folkington, Willmington, East Dean, Friston, Seaford, West Dean, Litlington, Lullington, Alfriston
8.  Wivelsfield, Ditchling, Westmeston, East Chiltington, Streat, Plumpton, Harnsey, Chailey, Newick, Barcombe, Ringmer
9.  Hastings St Michael, St Andrews, Holy Rrinity, St Mary in the Castle (Out bounds), St Mary Magdalen, St Leonards on Sea, St Mary – Bulverhythe
10.  Hastings St Clements, St Mary in the Castle.
11. East Grinstead,Worth, Crawley, & West Hoathly
12. Rye, East Guldeford, Iden, Broomhill & Playden


Hastings Union Notice of Marriages 1837 - 1865
Hasting Union Notice of Marriages 1865 - 1879
Hastings Baptisms A - J,  1700 - 1877
Hastings Baptisms K - Y, 1700 - 1877


Burial Register Transcriptions
Hastings, All Saints 1813 - 1853
Hastings, St Clements 1803 - 1856
Hastings, St Mary-in-the-Castle 1828 - 1857
Lewes, St John Sub Castro 1602 - 1993
Lewes, South Malling 1600 - 1998
Lewes, Southover 1671 - 1995
Lewes, All Saints 1602 - 1929


East Sussex Quarter Sessions 1810 - 1854

Baptism Register Transcriptions
Lewes, St John Sub Castro, 1601 - 1999

My personal database of Memorial inscriptions, (Lewes MI's complete with photographs), now amounts to some 5000+ entries - again, mostly in Lewes or Hastings, together with some Burial & Baptismal Register transcriptions.

Other national records that I possess include:
1881 Census transcription
British Isles Vital Records Index - 2nd Edition (IGI)
The Great Universal British Directory of 1799 (first edition - covers the whole Kingdom)
The 1851 Census transcription for Devon, Norfolk & Warwick ONLY
National Burial Index for England & Wales (5 million records)

Numerous records connected with Macclesfield in Cheshire.
Numerous records connected with Nottinghamshire.


I am more than happy to check any of the above records for your ancestors - please contact me through this forum

Chris in 1066Land

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Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: taeppa on Wednesday 05 May 04 14:30 BST (UK)
Hello Chris,

Could you please help with early census look ups for my WESTON family?

Most WESTONs being researched appear to come from Mayfield, but my John was born in 1821 in Heathfield.

In 1841 he was single, but where?

By 1851 he was married to Mary COOK (age 24). The marriage occurred in Brightling in 1849.  By 1854 he was definitely living at Burwash - Perrymans. There are likely to be 2 children John 6 and William 3.

John was involved in milling as was his father, also John, but I have no information on the elder John or any other siblings.


Thanks


Clive
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 05 May 04 14:58 BST (UK)
Hi Clive

Have read your lookup request over and over again trying to find ways in which I can help you.

Most of the information I have is not of any use to you - plus as yet, I do not have the 1841 census for Heathfield.

I have looked on the 1851 census for Burwash - but he is not there?, although you say he was there in 1854.

Am now going to take a slow look through the rest of the 1851 for East Sussex to see if I can locate them

Chris in 1066Land  
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 05 May 04 16:06 BST (UK)
Hi there Clive

Could you please help with early census look ups for my WESTON family?

Found them in Battle Registration District

HO107/ 1636/ Folio 452/ Page 11 – Stonesdown Cot Crofts, Brightling.

WESTON John, Head, Marr, 29, Ag Lab, born Brightling, Sussex
              Mary, Wife, Marr, 24, born Brightling
              James, Son, Unm, 4, born Brightling
              William, Son, Unm, 2, born Brightling

You have an extra child in James, but where is John? - He is down the road staying with his grandparents.

HO107/ 1636/ Folio 437/ Page 24 – Tolesters Cottage, Brightling.

MARCHANT William, Head, Marr, 65, Farmer of 20 Acres, born Brightling
                  Sarah, Wife, Marr, 66, born Brightling
WESTON, John, Grandson, Unm, 6, born Brightling

HO107/ 1636/ Folio 452/ Page 23 – Tolesters Cottage, Brightling.

MARCHANT  Robert, Head, Marr, 58, Ag Lab, born Brightling.
                  Mary, Wife, Marr, 57, born Brightling
                  George, Son, Unm, 12, born Brightling    
               

But that now poses a problem as you said -
By 1851 he was married to Mary COOK (age 24). The marriage occurred in Brightling in 1849.  By 1854 he was definitely living at Burwash - Perrymans. There are likely to be 2 children John 6 and William 3.

Should it not be Marchant rather than Cook ?

You try to answer 1 problem - it gives you 2 or 3 more

Chris in 1066Land
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: taeppa on Wednesday 05 May 04 16:41 BST (UK)
Hello Chris,

Yes it does pose more problems, but not quite as you might think!

I knew of James Weston, but he was believed to have died in infancy, I now know that it was after 1851 so I will renew my search for him.

Younger John was not Mary's child, so it does not surprise me he was living with his grandparents, but John's (1821) first wife was Sarah Croft so I am completely surprised by the Marchants.

The Marchant connection I have is as a possible ancestor of John's third wife whom he married in 1859!

There was no elder John in Brightling in 1851, I am beginning to suspect he had died much earlier.

thanks again, any further info around these families in Briightling much appreciated.

Clive
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: ricksmith on Friday 07 May 04 05:27 BST (UK)
Hi Chris,

I wonder if you lookup the name DEASON in the 1871, 1891 and 1901 Census for Sussex please.  There isn't too many of them as they originate from Cornwall.

Many thanks once again for your kind offer and work.

Kind regards
Rick
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 07 May 04 10:29 BST (UK)
Hi Rick

1891 Census on Line - Deason in Sussex

Database: 1891 England Census

 May 7, 2004
10:27 AM
 

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Name Age in 1891 Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Civil parish County  
 
Deason, Agnes 50 Brighton, Sussex Wife  Preston  Sussex  
Deason, Ann 67 Bowmore, Hertfordshire Sister-in-law  Cuckfield  Sussex  
Deason, Elizabeth A 51 Penburth, Cornwall Daughter  St Andrew  Sussex  
Deason, Ellen 39 Hastings, Sussex Daughter  St Andrew  Sussex  
Deason, Mary 49 Penburth, Cornwall Daughter  St Andrew  Sussex  
Deason, Rosella 37 Hastings, Sussex Daughter  St Andrew  Sussex  
Deason, Thomas 82 Scilly Isles, Fresco Head  St Andrew  Sussex  
Deason, Thomasina 46 Penburth, Cornwall Daughter  St Andrew  Sussex  
Deason, William 45 Ripe, Sussex Head  Preston  Sussex  
 
Chris in 1066Land
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 07 May 04 10:32 BST (UK)
Rick

1901 Census - Deason in Sussex

Database: 1901 England Census

 May 7, 2004
10:31 AM
 

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Name Age in 1901 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island
 
Ada Deason 29  Icklesham, Sussex, England Wife  Icklesham  Sussex    
Albert Deason 30  Winchelsea, Sussex, England Head  Icklesham  Sussex    
Alfred Deason 4  East Grinstead, Sussex, England Son  East Grinstead  Sussex    
Anldrie Deason 3  Icklesham, Sussex, England Daughter  Icklesham  Sussex    
Annie Deason 60  Islington, Middlesex, England Boarder  St Mary in the Castle  Sussex    
Charles Deason 32  Hailsham, Sussex, England Head  Eastbourne  Sussex    
Chas Olivier Deason 7  East Grinstead, Sussex, England Son  East Grinstead  Sussex    
Clifford Deason 12  Cardiff, Gloucestershire, England Grandson  Southwick  Sussex    
Elsie H Deason 3 months  Hailsham, Sussex, England Daughter  Eastbourne  Sussex    
Emily Deason 32  Forest Row, Sussex, England Wife  East Grinstead  Sussex    
Ethel May Deason 20  Brighton, Sussex, England Servant  Preston  Sussex    
Henry J Deason 53  Wanborough, Wiltshire, England Head  Brighton  Sussex    
Lillian Deason 21  Hackney, London, England Servant  Aldrington  Sussex    
Lois Deason 19  Firle, Sussex, England Servant  South Malling  Sussex    
Louisa Deason 73  Rotherfield, Sussex, England Head  Rotherfield  Sussex    
Lydia Deason 58  Strand, London, England Boarder  Brighton  Sussex    
Martha A Deason 43  Stafford, Staffordshire, England Wife  Brighton  Sussex    
Mary A Deason 33  Hailsham, Sussex, England Wife  Eastbourne  Sussex    
Mary Ann Deason 25  Willingdon, Sussex, England Boarder  Brighton  Sussex    
Perry Deason 11  Cardiff, Gloucestershire, England Grandson  Southwick  Sussex
Thos Deason 2  East Grinstead, Sussex, England Son  East Grinstead  Sussex    
William Deason 34  East Grinstead, Sussex, England Head  East Grinstead  Sussex    
William Geo Deason 10  East Grinstead, Sussex, England Son  East Grinstead  Sussex  
 
   
 

Chris in 1066Land
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 07 May 04 10:37 BST (UK)
Hi Rick

Hope the 1891 & 1901 Deasons in Sussex helps you with your research.


Chris in 1066Land
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Jane Masri on Wednesday 12 May 04 19:29 BST (UK)
Hi Chris,
I don't suppose you have a Brighton 1841 census?  If not I see you have 1851, so please could you look-up a HENRY BRAVERY, cabinet maker and his wife Philadelphia.  I'm trying to find Henry's parents, maybe hoping to find an aged parent living with them.  Just to prevail a little bit more on your good nature, if you have any parish records for the Brighton, Lewes areas, could you see if there is a possible baptism for Henry, maybe around the early 1800s.  I might get lucky and find his parents that way.
Many thanks,
Jane
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 12 May 04 20:28 BST (UK)
Hi there

Have checked the 1851 census for Brighton - but no Bravery on there at all.

The nearest is Edward BRAVEY 34 and his wife Charlotte 32 with their son John aged 10

Sorry

Chris in 1066Land  
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Jane Masri on Thursday 13 May 04 06:34 BST (UK)
Thank you for looking Chris,
Jane
Title: Ablitt / Brown
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Tuesday 18 May 04 09:51 BST (UK)
Hi Cyberbob

In reply to your private message:

If grandmother was 36 when she died in 1936, she should have been born about 1900.  Have looked on the 1901 census for an Evelyn Maud Ablitt, but although there are 52 people with the surname Ablitt, non match up with your details. Non of those 52 live in Sussex either.
 
If Grandfather was born in 1886, he would have been about 4/5 years of age, (depending on which side of the census he was born) on the 1891 census – On the 1891 census . there are 6733 people with the name George Brown of which 52 were born in Buckinghamshire – but only 4 show Beaconsfield as their birth place, one of which is 4 years old with the name George Henry J Brown.


Database: 1891 England Census   May 18, 20049:25 AM
Name, Age in 1891, Birthplace, Relationship to head-of-house, Civil parish, County.
Brown, Eliza, 47, Coleshill, Buckinghamshire, Wife,    Beaconsfield, Buckinghamshire
Brown, George Henry J, 4, Beaconsfield, Buckinghamshire, Son, Beaconsfield, Buckinghamshire
Brown, George William, 41, Beaconsfield, Buckinghamshire, Head, Beaconsfield, Buckinghamshire
Brown, Gertrude Eliza, 14, Beaconsfield, Buckinghamshire, Daughter, Beaconsfield, Buckinghamshire

(http://imageservice.ancestry.com/iexec/image.x?f=getimage&dbid=6598&path=Buckinghamshire.Beaconsfield.ALL.6.2&mac=00632204436613426270U4b3lcY3vRo=&vx=211&vy=158&vw=842&vh=632&zp=75&qf=mc&rc=&sh=0&sw=0)

In order to see if we have the correct George Henry Brown, you need to find the marriage certificate of George Henry Brown and Evelyn Maud Ablitt

According to your information, the first child Edward was born in 1919, therefore start there and work backwards.  The marriage certificate will give the fathers name of both the bride and groom.

Chris in 1066Land
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: CYBERBOB on Tuesday 18 May 04 16:23 BST (UK)
Hi Chris

Thanks for your help i'll try the marriage route
thanks again

                       Mick
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Anne-Marie on Wednesday 19 May 04 18:11 BST (UK)
Hi Chris
Could I please trouble you to look up on your 1851 census of Brighton for the surname BEEHO.  I'm not sure if they will be together but I am looking for William Augustus and his wife Harriet and several children.  Any BEEHO entry has to be my family as it is such a rare name - more a matter of proving how not disproving if that makes sense.
 Thank you for this wonderful service!   :)

Anne-Marie
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 19 May 04 19:48 BST (UK)
Hi Anne-Marie

Have just checked the 1851 census for Brighton (Brighton, Hove, Preston, Patcham, West Blatchington, Hangleton, Portslade, Aldrington, Southwick, Steyning, Old & New Shoreham) without success for your Beeho ancestors.

Not a trace of them anywhere - not even a suggestion of a miss transcription either.

We are not doing very well are we?

Chris in 1066Land
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Fosbeck on Thursday 20 May 04 18:59 BST (UK)
Hi Chris,

I am looking for the Baptism of a Thomas Smith in Lewes!!!  yes, I know - Smith is like looking for a needle in a haystack!  

Anyhow, this Thomas Smith was born around 1802 (I have checked 3 census returns for Brighton last week) and his age indicates a birth year of 1802.  

I am really keen to make a 'breakthru' with this GGG Grandad of mine if it is at all possible.

Many thanks in advance....

Fosbeck
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Bingbingbang on Friday 28 May 04 19:34 BST (UK)
Hi Chris

I have only just found this site and it seems you are a godsend to many people. Many thanks for helping us out.

I am researching the Box family and wonder if you can give any information on the following:

James Box (b. 5/8/1824 Ardingly) who married Jane Stoner (b. 9/6/1815 Ditchling). I do know about the lives of their children but all I know of them was that Jane died on 14/8/1875 and I have found James in the 1881-1901 censuses (living in Brighton in 1901). In all these censuses James has recorded his age as 3 years younger than he really was!

John Box (b 1819 Ardingly). James’s brother. Any information would be appreciated as there are many John Box’s around at this time.

Elizabeth Box. This is where I know very little! Elizabeth is James and John’s mother but neither son has a father recorded. There are three Elizabeth Box’s living locally at this time but I have nothing concrete to connect anyone of them. Any information at all would be invaluable.

All the best

Neale Box
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 28 May 04 21:35 BST (UK)
Hi there Neale

Welcome to Rootschat.com and congratulations on your first posting.
Your compliments are appreciated, but we all do our best to help newcomers to the boards and Genealogy.

Unfortunately you have ancestors in the part of the county that I have very little information on except for the 1851 Census.

1851 Census
HO 107/ 1642/ Folio 245/ Page 76 - Ansty Lane, Cuckfield.

BOX James, Head, Marr, 24, Ag Lab, born Ardingly
        Jane, WWife, Marr, 34, born Ditchling
        Alfred T, Son, Unm, 2, born Cuckfield
        Mary A, Dau, Unm, 3months, born Cuckfield

HO 107 1642/ Folio 115/ Page 61 - Tealinghurst Farm, Ardingly, Sussex
BOX William, Head, Widow, 45, Farmer 160acres, born Ardingly
        George, Son, nm, 19, Carpenter, Ardingly
        John, Son, Unm, 16, Employed on Farm, Adingly
        Ann, Dau, Unm, 15, Servant on Farm, Ardingly
        Elizabeth, Dau, Unm, 13, Ardingly
        James, Son, Unm, 11, born Ardingly

HO 107/ 1642/ Folio 151/ Page 26 - Balcombe Lane, Balcombe, Sussex
BOX Richard, Head, Marr, 28, Sawyer & Hewer, born Ardingly
       Sarah, Wife, Mar, 26, born Balcombe
       Ann, Dau, Unm, 5, born Balcomb
       Ellen, Dau, Unm, 3, Balcombe

HO 107/ 1642/ Folio 108/ Page 16 - Hapstead Green, Ardingly, Sussex
BOX William, Head, Marr, 69, Carpenter, Ardingly
        Mary, Wife, Mar, 64, born Balcombe

Chris in 1066Land
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: moon on Friday 04 June 04 15:59 BST (UK)
hi again, Chris,
looking for Cuthbert Baker on Eastourne 1861 census please being about 2 years old, he was born Jan. 01, 1859 at sea and his parents also died at sea at the same time (no proof but looking), so looking for proof of his birth, in 1881 census he says born Hastings then 1891  census he says Eastbourne?
Jennifer in Ontario, Canada
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: moon on Friday 04 June 04 16:25 BST (UK)
John Cripps  was born May 08, 1828 and died on the March 1909 , on 1841 he was 13 born in Richmond (watermen family on thames) then by 1951 he was at stonefield road, st mary in the castle, was married to Anna Reeds April 18, 1851 in hastings, 1861 and 1871 i dont know, 1881 age 52 police sergent, 1891 i dont know, 1901 age 72 retired police sargeant so my question is trying to locate his police records, have you had a chance to see if this exists please, thanks
Jennifer in Ontario, Canada
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 06 June 04 11:53 BST (UK)
Hi there Moon

Sorry about the delay, but been away ancestor hunting in South Wales for a few days (wifes paternal ancestors and their living descendants)

Have checked the 1861 Census for Eastbourne for your Cuthbert Baker, and although there are 14 references to Baker Families; your Cuthbert is not amongst them.

Sorry to be so negative

Chris in 1066Land
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: moon on Sunday 06 June 04 14:03 BST (UK)
ok, Chris, thanks again, have ordered the LDS film for births and deths at sea so maybe i will find him/them this way, thank you for your time once again
Jennifer
Title: Re:Mary & Henry Chapman - Marriage
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 06 June 04 15:06 BST (UK)
Hi Geoff

I received your message re extra archives you have in your library.
I would most definately like a lookup for a Hastings Marriage 1837-1865
Mary CHAPMAN and Henry CHAPMAN should be about 1858-59.

Also a Hastings Baptism 1700-1877
Ann CHAPMAN c1859  daughter of the above.

This family could also be on the 1861 Eastbourne Census. Henry died within the next couple of years.
Mary CHAPMAN then married Moses DOWNER.

Ann Chapman's death certificate & her immigration records indicate she lived in Eastbourne as a child.  


Sorry for the delay in answering your query, but we have been away for a few days in South Wales looking for the wife’s paternal ancestors and meeting descendants of same.

The “Hastings Union Notices of Marriages” CD is a list with actual images of the register of people who were giving notice that within the next 3 months a marriage is intended to take place at the Registry Office – many more marriages took place by the calling of banns in the Anglican Churches which it does not include - but your Mary / Henry Chapman are not included; therefore we can assume they married in Church or Chapel.

Chris in 1066Land
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Sunday 06 June 04 15:29 BST (UK)
Hi Geoff

Also a Hastings Baptism 1700-1877
Ann CHAPMAN c1859  daughter of the above.


The Baptism CD covers the following churches and dates

All Saints 1700 – 1851
Croft Chapel 1818 – 1829
Ore 1700 – 1837
St Clements 1700 – 1869
Mary in Castle 1828 – 1868
Methodist 1839 - 1877

Could not locate a Mary Chapman within those indexed dates.
 

This family could also be on the 1861 Eastbourne Census. Henry died within the next couple of years.
Mary CHAPMAN then married Moses DOWNER.


Have checked the 1861 census for Eastbourne without success for your Chapman Family – there is also no one with the surname DOWNER listed either.

Sorry

Chris in 1066Land
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Geoff on Sunday 06 June 04 23:29 BST (UK)
Hi Chris,

Thank you for your efforts on my behalf, really appreciated.

Cheers
Geoff
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Lelapsley on Monday 07 June 04 11:16 BST (UK)
Hi Chris

Hope you can help, I'm not sure if Friston is covered in 1821 East Dean Census but I am looking for John Bartholomew born around 1800 and ancestors. He marrried Mary Ann Wildish (born 1805 East Grinstead) in Friston 2/5/1824 so I am hoping he was living with family in 1821.

Many thanks
Lel
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 07 June 04 15:26 BST (UK)
Hi Lel

Dont know if this is of any help to you

Population of Friston Sussex in 1831

BARTHOLOMEW John, 40
                                Mary, 28
                                Louisa, 14
                                Alfred, ?
                                Thomas, 5
                                Henry, 2

Sharing accommodation with William Everest (46) and his wife Mary (36) with 6 children aged 17 down to 10 months

Chris in 1066Land
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Lelapsley on Monday 07 June 04 16:47 BST (UK)
Thanks Chris


It is the right family it helps me get a bit further. I don't suppose there are any other Bartholomews lurking there?

Lel
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 07 June 04 18:59 BST (UK)
Hi Lel

There is just one other on this census cd

Population of East Dean, Sussex, 1831

BARTHOLOMEW James, 26
                        Selina, 24
                        John, 8
                        Jane, 5
                        James, 3

By the way, the 1841 for Friston gives John, 50, Ag Lab; Mary, 35; Thomas, 15; Henry, 12; Ann, 9; and George 3  

Chris in 1066Land
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Lelapsley on Monday 07 June 04 19:48 BST (UK)
Thanks Chris. Much appreciated.

Lel
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Patches on Monday 07 June 04 22:31 BST (UK)
Hi Chris

Wondered if you could have a look and see if you can find anything pre 1881 census for the following family

MARCHANT
William (dad) born 1829 in Mayfield Sussex
Emily Eliza (mum, maiden name unknown) born 1837 in Mayfield Sussex
Edward (son) born 1860 in somewhere in Sussex
Frederick (son) born 1865 in Mayfield Sussex
Winefred (daughter) born 1871 in Bylip Middx
Charles (son) born 1873 in Oxted Surrey
Emily (daughter) born 1876 in East Peckham Kent

In 1881 they were living in Beltring East Peckham Kent but they must have lived in Mayfield Sussex pre 1871.

In 1901 they were living back in Mayfield in Fletching St (well not all of them, just dad, mum and Emily)

Would be very grateful for any info you can find

Thanks

Patches
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 07 June 04 23:52 BST (UK)
Hi there Patches

Here is 'dad' William on the 1851 census in Mayfield before he married Emily.

HO107/1640 / Folio 177/ Page 21 - Little Steel, Mayfield.
MARCHANT William, Head, Marr, Farmer of 100acres, employing 5, born Mayfield, Sussex
                  Sarah, Wife, Marr, 59, born Rotherfield
                  Eliza, Dau, Unm, 25, born Mayfield
                  William, Son, Unm, 22, born Mayfield
                  Edward, Son, Unm, 20, Draper, born Mayfield
                  Richard, Son, Unm, 16, Miller, born Mayfield

Chris in 1066Land

Unfortunately I do not as yet have access to the 1841 for Mayfield.  
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Patches on Tuesday 08 June 04 22:02 BST (UK)
Hi Chris

Thanks everso, Dad William is my GGGG Grandfather so it was very nice to meet him at last.

Thank you for taking the time to look for these Marchants and for my Bardens which you also helped with, if it wasn't for you I'd never have found them.

Thanks again

Patches
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Gabora on Friday 11 June 04 00:11 BST (UK)
I am looking for a George and Elizabeth Roots who were in Biddenden Kent in 1825-1830 and may of been in Sussex. This family seems to of stayed in the Weald of Kent and Sussex areas.

Does the Weald of Sussex show anything in the 1831,41 and 51 census for this couple ???

Thank you

Bob
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Fosbeck on Friday 18 June 04 15:38 BST (UK)
Hi Chris,

Please could I trouble you to look at the 1851 census for Brighton...

I am looking for: William Braby age: 64.  Wife: Ann Braby from Singleton.

I need to ascertain who else was living in this household + the address.
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Friday 18 June 04 15:54 BST (UK)
Hi Fosbeck

The part of the 1851 Brighton Census that I possess only covers:
Steyning, Old & New Shoreham, Hove, Preston, Patcham, Blatchington, Hangleton, Portslade, Aldrington, Southwick.

Saying that, there is no reference to any BRABY on the above.

Sorry for being so negative

Chris in 1066Land
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Fosbeck on Friday 18 June 04 15:56 BST (UK)
Thanks Chris for trying.
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: ricksmith on Tuesday 22 June 04 07:04 BST (UK)
Hi Chris,

Could you please lookup LEVETT in the following references:

1831 & 1811 St John Sub Castro, plus Population 1811, Jury List & Voters 1832

East Sussex Quarter Sessions 1810 – 1854

Could you pleaase also advise if there is a Henry ADAMS in the QS too.

One last question what Catholic church and cemetery existed in/around the Lewes area in the early 1840s.

Many thanks for your time.

Kind regards
Rick
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Tuesday 22 June 04 18:46 BST (UK)
Hi there Rick

Could you please lookup LEVETT in the following references:

1831 Census for St John Sub Castro

LEVETT Edmund, 4 Males, 3 Females, 1 Family

1811 Population of Lewes - Zilch.

1832 Jury List & Voters - Zilch

Will check the QS records in a bit

Chris in 1066Land
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Tuesday 22 June 04 18:59 BST (UK)
Hi again

East Sussex Quarter Sessions 1810 – 1854

Offenders
Name, Age, Occupation, Residence, Year, Reference, Victims.
LEVETT John, 14, Labourer, Berwick, 1835, 828, John KING
LEVETT John, 25, Guard to Coach, -, 1845, 909, Henry CLOAKE
LEVETT John, 22, Servant, Lewes, 1842, 884, William ROSE
LEVETT Lucy, 21, Married, Lewes, 1849, 939, Rev F TEED (Her Master)
LEVETT Sarah, -, Single, Lullington, 1820, 762, Wlm WOODHAMS
Victims
There are about half a dozen entries of LEVETT victims but non named John.

Could you please also advise if there is a Henry ADAMS in the QS too.

There are Henry Adams in both Offenders and Victims - which did you want?

Chris in 1066Land
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: simonerobertson on Wednesday 23 June 04 17:08 BST (UK)
Hi Chris,

I was hoping to ask you some questions about my family who I believe were born and resided in Seaford, Sussex. the names that I have at this stage are:

Charles Joseph Bravery: Born 15/9/1985,
Charles Willy Bravery (Charles J Bravery's son)

Charles Willy was/is I believe my Great Great Grandfather. He moved to Australia when my Great Grandmother was 3, she is now 97 and still living in Australia.

Her mother was Agnes Levett born 17/12/1880
Angnes' mother and father were:
William Levett from Meresfield Sussex and Agnes Gurr

I think that Charles J Bravery built the Ritz and the Empire theatres in Seaford, owned a furniture company Barvery and son and were fairly well known members of the town.

I am looking for any information you may have on any of the family members, direct decendants, parents, family trees, anything! My nan and her brother are trying to find out their background.

Thanks for any assistance which you can provide!
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 23 June 04 19:28 BST (UK)
Hi there Simonerobertson

Welcome to Rootschat

Think this is your family:

Her mother was Agnes Levett born 17/12/1880
Angnes' mother and father were:
William Levett from Meresfield Sussex and Agnes Gurr


RG12/ 786/ Folio 51/ Page 17 - Old Lands, Buxted, Sussex.

Name, Age in 1891, Birthplace, Relationship to head-of-house, Civil parish, County View

Levett William, 61, Arlington, Sussex, Head, Buxted  Sussex
Levett Agnes, 55, Isfield, Sussex, Wife, Buxted  Sussex
Levett William, 36, Isfield, Sussex, Son, Buxted  Sussex
Levett Henry, 28, Laughton, Sussex, Son, Buxted  Sussex
Levett Philip, 20, Isfield, Sussex, Son, Buxted  Sussex
Levett Job, 18, Isfield, Sussex, Son, Buxted  Sussex
Levett Albert, 15, Buxted, Sussex, Son, Buxted  Sussex
Levett Edward, 12, Buxted, Sussex, Son, Buxted  Sussex            
Levett Agnes, 10, Buxted, Sussex, Daughter, Buxted  Sussex    

Chris in 1066Land  
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 23 June 04 19:55 BST (UK)
Hi again

Here is the same family on the 1901 Census:

RG13/ 902/ Folio 40/ Page 2 - The Cottage at Herons Ghyll, Buxted, Sussex

Name Age in 1901 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island View Census? .?
 
William Levett 71  Arlington, Sussex, England Head  Buxted  Sussex  
Agnes Levett 66  Isfield, Sussex, England Wife  Buxted  Sussex    
Henry Levett 38  Laughton, Sussex, England Son  Buxted  Sussex    
Philip Levett 30  Isfield, Sussex, England Son  Buxted  Sussex    
Job Levett 28  Isfield, Sussex, England Son  Buxted  Sussex
Edward Levett 22  Buxted, Sussex, England Son  Buxted  Sussex

Incidentally, Buxted is in the Registration District of Meresfield.

Chris in 1066Land
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 23 June 04 20:05 BST (UK)
Hi Again

In the 1901 census above, Agnes was not at home, she had aquired a position as a servant to the owner of the 'Bay Laundry' in Willesden, Sussex.

RG13/ 1217/ Folio 80/ Page 55 - Bay Laundry, Harlesdon Road, Willesden


Chris in 1066Land
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 23 June 04 20:19 BST (UK)
Hi

Going backwards again - Here is the Levett Family in the 1881 census and young Agnes is just 3months old - bless her

Household Record  1881 British Census  

 Name  Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
 William LEVETT   Head   M   Male   52   Arlington, Sussex, England   Gamekeeper & Woodreve    
 Agness LEVETT   Wife   M   Female   46   Isfield, Sussex, England        
 Fredrick LEVETT   Son   U   Male   15   Laughton, Sussex, England   Ag Lab    
 Philip LEVETT   Son      Male   10   Isfield, Sussex, England   Scholar    
 Job LEVETT   Son      Male   8   Isfield, Sussex, England   Scholar    
 Albert LEVETT   Son      Male   5   Buxted, Sussex, England        
 Edward LEVETT   Son      Male   2   Buxted, Sussex, England        
 Agness LEVETT   Daur      Female   3 m   Buxted, Sussex, England        
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Source Information:
  Dwelling   Brows Brook
  Census Place Buxted, Sussex, England
  Family History Library Film   1341249
  Public Records Office Reference   RG11
  Piece / Folio   1054 / 46
  Page Number   6

I do not have access to the 1871 and 1861 census, but I do have transcript copies of the 1851 and 1841 for East Sussex - so will look on them for the Levett as William should be 22 and Agnes should be 16, but listed as Agnes Gurr.  
 
Chris in 1066Land
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 23 June 04 20:46 BST (UK)
Hi again

Here are William & Agnes from the 1851 Census Transcription:

HO107/ 1638/ Folio 4/ Page 3 – Old Poor House, Arlington, Sussex.

LEVETT William, Head, Unm, 21, Ag Lab, born Arlington, Sussex
            Sarah, Sister, Unm, 16, Ag Lab, born Arlington
            Benjamin, Brother, Unm, Ag Lab, born Arlington
            Jesse, Brother, Unm, 11, Ag Lab, born Arlington
            Mary, Sister, Unm, 8, born Arlington
            Philip, Brother, Unm, 6, born Arlington

HO107/ 1638/ Folio 388/ Page 87 – Isfield, Sussex

GURR Trayton, Head, Marr, 52, Ag Lab, born Isfield, Sussex
         Cherry, Wife, Marr, 42, born Ninfield, Sussex
         Agnes, Dau, Unm, 15, born Isfield
         John, Son, Unm, 10, Scholar, born Isfield
         Elizabeth, Dau, Unm, 7, Scholar, born Isfield
         Maria, Dau, Unm, 5, born Isfield
         Caroline, Dau, Unm, 2, born Isfield

Chris in 1066Land  
 
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 23 June 04 22:21 BST (UK)
And Finally

1841 Census.
HO107/1115/ 8 Folio 1 – 12 – Polhills, Arlington, Sussex.


LEVETT John, 35, Ag Lab, born in Sussex
            Ann, 35, born in Sussex
            Thomas, 15, Sussex
            John, 13, Sussex
            William, 11, Sussex
            Emma, 9, Sussex
            Sarah, 6, Sussex
            Benjamin, 4, Sussex
            Jesse, 2, Sussex

The 1841 Census only gave very brief details like Name, Age, M or F, Occupation, whether born in County (Yes / No)

Adults over 13 had their ages rounded down to the nearest 5, so Williams Father John could have been 36, 37, 38 or 39 – like wise his mother Ann.

Something terrible must have happened to the parents for them to be missing on the 1851 census where William was listed as the Head and in charge of the family.  

Sorry, but as yet, I do not have the 1841 Census for Isfield.

Hope that has helped you with your research and perhaps names and places may help jog Great Granmothers Memory - bless her, try to talk to her as much as you can, plus tape record everything she remembers.

Chris in 1066Land  
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 23 June 04 22:43 BST (UK)
Hi there Sandy

Charles Joseph Bravery: Born 15/9/1985,
Charles Willy Bravery (Charles J Bravery's son)
Charles Willy was/is I believe my Great Great Grandfather. He moved to Australia when my Great Grandmother was 3, she is now 97 and still living in Australia.


If Charles Willy was born on 15/9/1895 instead of Charles Joseph as you listed above, then this looks to be your family.
 
1891 England Census
Bravery, Seaford
Name Age in 1891 Birthplace Relationship to head-of-house Civil parish County
 
Bravery , Annie 32 Seaford, Sussex Daughter-in-law  Seaford  Sussex    
Bravery , Charles P 29 Newhaven, Sussex Son  Seaford  Sussex    
Bravery , Charles W 5 Seaford, Sussex Grandson  Seaford  Sussex    
Bravery , Emma 56 Arlington, Sussex Wife  Seaford  Sussex    
Bravery , Frances M 4.12 Seaford, Sussex Grandaughter  Seaford  Sussex    
Bravery , George 52 Brighton, Sussex Head  Seaford  Sussex    
Bravery , George H 3 Seaford, Sussex Grandson  Seaford  Sussex    
Bravery , Isabella 17 Bradford, Yorkshire Daughter  Seaford  Sussex    
Bravery , Lilian E 2 Seaford, Sussex Grandaughter  Seaford  Sussex  
 
Scan and Reference details to follow

Chris in 1066Land
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Wednesday 23 June 04 23:02 BST (UK)
Hi Again

Here is the scan and full reference details of your Bravery Family in Seaford.

RG12/ 775/ Folio 108/ Page 34 - Burlington House, Broad Street, Seaford.

If you can confirm that this is the correct family, I will then try to locate them in the 1901 Census, then follow them back through the 1881, 1851 and possibly 1841 census for you - but I do know there were NILL Bravery surnames in Seaford in 1851; looks as though they may have been in Brighton though.

Incidentally family occupation was 'Upholsterers'

Chris in 1066Land




Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: simonerobertson on Thursday 24 June 04 09:12 BST (UK)
Hi Chris,

That looks like my family! Thanks so much! I will send all the information home to my mum so she can talk to my Great Grandma about it. My Great Grandma hasn't been back to England since she was three. I think Agnes was the maid who married the son. The son was then taken out of his fathers will and they left for Australia. If you could have a look at the Brighton Bravery's as well that would be great.

Thanks again!

Simone
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Thursday 24 June 04 09:22 BST (UK)
Hello Bob

Re your enquiry

I am looking for a George and Elizabeth Roots who were in Biddenden Kent in 1825-1830 and may of been in Sussex. This family seems to of stayed in the Weald of Kent and Sussex areas.

Does the Weald of Sussex show anything in the 1831,41 and 51 census for this couple


First of all my apologies for not answering this query earlier, somehow or other it slipped through the net for which I do apologise.
.
At the present moment I do not have access to any census for Kent in the time period that you require.

The surname Rootes / Roots is quite common in Sussex and Kent in the 19th Century - unfortunately you do not provide much information about George or Elizabeth that would enable finding the correct couple in the very basic information contained in the early census.

A Good site for information on the Weald of Sussex is

www.thesussexweald.org

Sorry I can not be more helpful at the moment

Chris in 1066Land
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Thursday 24 June 04 09:26 BST (UK)
Hi there Simone

Glad that it was/is the correct family.

I have a few errands to do during the day, but all being well, will do further research for you later this afternoon and earlier this evening before the football starts on tellly.

Chris in 1066Land
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Thursday 24 June 04 09:35 BST (UK)
Hi Simone

Looks like Charles Willey prefers to be called Willey

Database: 1901 England Census
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Name Age in 1901 Birthplace Relationship Civil Parish County/Island  
 
Charles Bravery 38  Seaford, Sussex, England Head  Seaford  Sussex    
Fredy Bravery 8  Seaford, Sussex, England Son  Seaford  Sussex    
George Bravery 13  Seaford, Sussex, England Son  Seaford  Sussex    
Lilian Bravery 11  Seaford, Sussex, England Daughter  Seaford  Sussex    
Maude Bravery 10  Seaford, Sussex, England Daughter  Seaford  Sussex    
Rosina Bravery 38  East Grinstead, Sussex, England Wife  Seaford  Sussex    
Wilfred Bravery 1  Seaford, Sussex, England Son  Seaford  Sussex    
Willey Bravery 15  Seaford, Sussex, England Son  Seaford  Sussex    
Albert Watson 2  Brighton, Sussex, England Nephew  Seaford  Sussex    
Birtha Watson 24  East Grinstead, Sussex, England Visitor  Seaford  Sussex    
Edith Watson 10  Purley, Surrey, England Stepdaughter  Seaford  Sussex  
 
Chris in 1066Land
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Thursday 24 June 04 09:44 BST (UK)
Hi again

Here is reference details and scan from 1901 census

RG13/ 886/ Folio 35/ Page 31 - Broad Street, Seaford, Sussex

Chris in 1066Land
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Thursday 24 June 04 10:06 BST (UK)
Hi again

Just noticed that the wife of Charles has changed from Annie born in Seaford on the 1891 census to Rosina born in East Grinstead on the 1901 census and George now has a stepdaughter Edith Watson.

So it looks like a second marriage.

The 1901 also shows that they now had an established Furniture making business in Seaford which verifies your earlier information:

"I think that Charles J Bravery built the Ritz and the Empire theatres in Seaford, owned a furniture company Barvery and son and were fairly well known members of the town."

Chris in 1066Land
 
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Thursday 24 June 04 11:12 BST (UK)
Hi Again

The 1881 census for Seaford shows Charles Joseph as a single man, still at home

Household:
 Name  Relation Marital Status Gender Age Birthplace Occupation Disability
 George BRAVERY   Head   M   Male   42   Brighton, Sussex, England   Furniture Broker    
 Emma BRAVERY   Wife   M   Female   48   Arlington, Sussex, England   Brokers Wife    
 Charles Joseph BRAVERY   Son   U   Male   18   Newhaven, Sussex, England   Marine Store Keeper    
 John Burgess BRAVERY   Son   U   Male   16   Seaford, Sussex, England   Grocer    
 George Henry BRAVERY   Son   U   Male   15   Newhaven, Sussex, England   Laberour    
~~~~~~~~
Source Information:
  Dwelling   High Street
  Census Place Seaford, Sussex, England
  Family History Library Film   1341247
  Public Records Office Reference   RG11
  Piece / Folio   1040 / 100
  Page Number   10

Chris in 1066Land
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Gabora on Thursday 24 June 04 13:08 BST (UK)
Hi Chris,

That's the problem I have with this Roots family. The only other information is George father a son with Mary Harris at Cranbrook in 1824. I have the bastardy papers on this. She was born 1805 and I am assuming he should of been at least 21 because he was a carpenter. This would put his age at least at 1803 - 1795.  I am trying doing a sweep of all possible George's in the Weald.

Thank you for the information.

Bob
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: ricksmith on Monday 28 June 04 01:16 BST (UK)
Hi Chris and SimoneRobertson,

I can go further with the LEVETT connect back to the late 1500s.  Simone, I would be very interested if you get in contact with me so that I can send you the information at the follwing
e-mail address removed to prevent spamming; Please use the Private Message facility - Global Moderator.
or through my website.
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: ricksmith on Monday 28 June 04 01:25 BST (UK)
Hi Chris,

Many thanksfor for latest lookups regards LEVETT.   The following is in answer to your questions:

Victims
There are about half a dozen entries of LEVETT victims but non named John.

Answer:  Could you please send me the list of victims too as I did not know this existed.

Could you please also advise if there is a Henry ADAMS in the QS too.
There are Henry Adams in both Offenders and Victims - which did you want?

Answer:  Henry ADAMS offender in March 1838.

One last question what Catholic church and cemetery existed in or very nearby Lewes area in the early 1840s.

Many thanks for all of your time.  Your work is very useful to me.
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 28 June 04 10:13 BST (UK)
Hi there Rick

Answer:  Could you please send me the list of victims too as I did not know this existed.

Victim, Year, Reference, Offender, Age, Occupation, Residence
Levett Charles, 1821, 767, Colbran Thomas (15) & William (14)
Levett George, 1845, 911, Beard William, 26, Labourer, Arlington
     ..      ..       1845, 911, Bradbrook William, 19, Miller, Arlington.
Levett Hetty, 1821, 769, Judd Henry
Levett J, 1850, 946, Vaughan Caroline, 17, Single, Brighton (Her Master)
Levett William, 1829, 798, Selden John, 29, Labourer, Bodiam
Levett William, 1828, 794, Gutsell James, 16, Labourer, Ewehurst

Chris in 1066Land
Title: Re:Research in Sussex Part 2
Post by: Chris in 1066Land on Monday 28 June 04 10:20 BST (UK)
Hi again Rick

Could you please also advise if there is a Henry ADAMS in the QS too.
There are Henry Adams in both Offenders and Victims - which did you want?

Answer:  Henry ADAMS offender in March 1838.


Only 1 entry - Henry Adams aged 35 Labourer of Portslade in 1844.

One last question what Catholic church and cemetery existed in or very nearby Lewes area in the early 1840s.

To the best of my knowledge, it was St Michaels in the High Street of Lewes, second nearest would be in Brighton

St Michael-in-Lewes.
This church stands in the busy High Street of Lewes, at the foot of the mound bearing the keep of the Norman Castle, and is distinguished by its slender shingled spire rising from the top of a round flint tower (only two others like it in Sussex). Believed to have been instituted as ‘the church of the castle’, the expression “tanquam matrici ecclesie” (Mother Church) in the 16th century seems to imply that it held a position of seniority in the town. By the time of the Reformation, St Michaels was in a deplorable condition and its fortunes suffered another serious setback during the Puritan revolution as the citizens of the town remained predominantly Dissenters.   In 1748 extensive building works were carried out (rebuilding of South Aisle, with two doors onto the street) and from the incumbency of Frederick Teed (1841 – 1863) a number of changes began to be made to the liturgy and furnishings which reflected the catholicising influence of Newman and Pusey. Much of the churches present-day character is thanks to the Rev Edgar Herman Cross (1877 – 1891)

Hope that helps

Chris in 1066Land