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Title: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Paul Peter on Thursday 10 September 09 12:24 BST (UK)
Hi

I am trying to trace a book by Peggy Doyle about the Coolgreany Evictions, there is a copy in Gorey Library but it is not for loan. I was wondering if anyone had a copy I could buy or borrow. My wife's family were evicted at the time, Kinsella and I believe that they are mentioned in the book.

Any help appreciated

Regards

Paul
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Justin Rossney on Monday 25 January 10 09:03 GMT (UK)
I have a copy of Peggy Doyle's book, but I need to keep it for reference for my own family research for Kinsella also (newtown) and Green (Ballyfad).
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Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Crabby on Monday 25 January 10 09:39 GMT (UK)

Hello Welcome to RootsChat

Could you kindly advise the time period when these evictions occurred.?

Crabby
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: shanew147 on Monday 25 January 10 10:23 GMT (UK)
the evictions in Coolgreany occurred in 1887.. they were mentioned at a debate in the commons - see this Hansard link :

  http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1887/jul/12/evictions-ireland-evictions-on-the


Shane
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Justin Rossney on Monday 25 January 10 10:49 GMT (UK)
According to Peggy Doyle's book "The Coolgreany Evictions 1887" The first eviction took place at the house of John O'Neill on 28/Feb 1887.
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Paul Peter on Monday 25 January 10 21:13 GMT (UK)
Hi Justin

My wife's great grandfather was evicted from Coolgreany, he was J Kinsella but we don't know anymore, was he mentioned in the book ?we think his name was John as his eldest son was also called John

any information would be great
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Justin Rossney on Tuesday 26 January 10 00:24 GMT (UK)
Hi Peter and Shane, in reply to two questions, I mentioned before that the first evictions were in february 28th 1887 but it seems that it was July 5th before the second wave of evictions took place this second wave lasted about 2 weeks and Peggy Doyle, in her book, stated that 60 families were evicted, about 300 people.
She did not cover all the 60 families so there were more evictions which were not mentioned in her book.

Re Kinsellas, My gggfather John Kinsella lived in Newtown but Peggy Doyle mentions Martin Kinsella as being evicted from newtown, probably john's son.
The other Kinsellas mentioned were Thomas (I think Barrac Croghan) then John Kinsella (also Barrac Croghan ?) Then another Thomas, then Thomas senior, Martin Kinsella (Newtown) then Patrick, then Owen.
Peggy also recounts the story of the shooting of John Kinsella of Barrac Croghan. In this account she mentions that he was a widower and lived with his children, Patrick, Myles, Elizabeth and Bridget . this murder is well documented and a a monument was erected to him in Kilninor cemetery.
If this refers to your family please let me know and maybe I can provide a little more information.

If any one out there has any information on the Newtown Kinsellas or the  Ballyfad Greenes please let me know
Justin
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Paul Peter on Tuesday 26 January 10 22:25 GMT (UK)
Hi Justin

The John Kinsella who was shot does sound like the right person as the names of his children are all family names, two of my wife's uncles were Patrick and Myles Kinsella who were named after uncles of theirs. Do you have any more information on him ?

Paul
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Oaks and Acorns on Tuesday 26 January 10 23:36 GMT (UK)
Have a look at this site:

http://infomotions.com/etexts/gutenberg/dirs/1/4/5/1/14511/14511.htm

Dara.
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Jytefas on Wednesday 27 January 10 21:14 GMT (UK)
This may be of interest...... Kindest John G.
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Oaks and Acorns on Thursday 28 January 10 01:33 GMT (UK)
Nice picture John. Is that one from the NAI collection?

Interesting that there is a Ryan in the picture given the association between Kinsella and Ryan prior to the killing.

Dara.
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Jytefas on Thursday 28 January 10 18:01 GMT (UK)
You are correct Dara, there are quite a collection of photographs covering the Coolgreany Evictions in the National Photographic Archive’s section of the Library.

Your Ryan / Kinsella comment has me confused and i am not sure what the association is?

Kindest Regards
John G.
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Jytefas on Thursday 28 January 10 18:29 GMT (UK)
Not sure how this list will behave when posted...It is a List of farms on the above estate from which tenants were evicted in July 1887, under "Plan Of Campaign" and Re-let to Loyalist Tenant Farmers.

Askinch, Lr.   
John Dunne
Gurteen Up,   
Julia Byrne
Rathpierce, Lr   
Bridget Lennehan
Thos. Kearnes
Croughan, Mid   
Thos. Darcey                  
Wm. Graham
Rich. Graham
Stephen Maher
Croghan, Up   
Rich. Graham
Pat. Kinsella
Ed. Mulligan
Jane Sinnott
Philip Maher
Askinch, Lr.
P. McCarthy
J. Kennedy
Maria Clancy
Newtown, Up   
M.Kinsella   
Newtown, Lr   
M.Kinsella   
Barrack Croghan
J. Kinsella
Pat Darcy
T. Kinsella
T. Kinsella  No 2
S. Maher
T. Darcy
Rathpierce, Lr   
J. Butler
Gurteen Up,   
John Doyle
Gurteen Lr,   
Jas. M'Carthy
Fortchester Upper   
Pat Grennell
Fortchester Lower   
Pat Grennell
Terrence Toole
Newtown Lr.   
Pat Kavanagh
Oulart                  
Thos Lennehan
Jas. Byrne
Monereagh   
Jas Garvey
Knockgreany   
Somon Moran             
Michael Darcy         
Patrick Greene             
Patrick Greene
Monereagh   
Chris Murray
Newtown Lr.   
Laurence Kehoe
Coolgreany Demesne   
John Doyle
Knockbaun   
Bd O'Rafferty
Fortchester Lower   
Jno M'Daniel
Coolgreany    
Mce Kavanagh
Glenogue, Nth   
Wm. Kennedy
Knockgreany   
John Conway
Knockgreany   
Bd. O'Rafferty
Croghan, Mid   
Owen Kinsella
Rathpierce, Hill   
Pat Fanning
Moneyribbon   
Edw Bergin               
Bridget Fitzwilliam             
Pat Kehoe
Glenogue                  
Myles Donnelly             
Stephen Mahon   
Dan. M'Daniel
Michael Kehoe
M. Redmond
Pat Kehoe
Thomas Ford (Winnifred Kennedy
Ml. Kavanagh
Thos Kennedy
Michael Ryan
James Kenny
Ballyfad   
Pat Darcy
Oulart   
Pat Darcy   
Pat Darcy
John Doyle
Ballyfad   
John Doyle

Regards
John G.
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Oaks and Acorns on Thursday 28 January 10 19:01 GMT (UK)
John,

This brief excerpt from the link I posted earlier may illustrate:

"Here we found Mr. George Freeman, the bailiff of the Coolgreany property, a strong, sturdy man, much disgusted at finding it necessary to go about protected by two policemen. That this was necessary, however, he admitted, pointing out to us the place where one Kinsella was killed not very long ago. The son of this man Kinsella was formerly one of Mr. Brooke's gamekeepers, and is now, Mr. Freeman thinks, in concert with another man named Ryan, the chief stay of the League in keeping up its dominion over the evicted tenants".

Dara.
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: lochgarman on Saturday 06 February 10 23:23 GMT (UK)
Not sure, but i think there is some writings on croghan evictions in Michael Fitzpatricks "Historic Gorey" books. I don't have them to hand to confirm but will check it out.

regards
lochgarman
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions -Greene family of Knockgreany, Coolgreany
Post by: Kath nee Greene on Friday 02 July 10 16:04 BST (UK)
My great grandfather was evicted from Knockgreany in the Coolgreany Evictions of 1887.  Unfortunately, after the evictions my great grandfather lost touch with his 7 brothers.  The names I have so far are John, Richard, Patrick, Daniel Greene. Not sure if there are any sisters.

I know from Griffiths Valuation there was
Patrick Greene 1a Knockgreany
Patrick Greene 1b Knockgreany -sub letting out this property to another person Mr Sunderland
John Greene 2 Knockgreany.

From my understanding the Knockgreany Green/es are related to the Ballyfad Greene's, the Kinsellas and the Darcy families who were also evicted. No doubt they are related to most of the families in that area at that time.

Would love to hear from any of their descendants.  Maybe we can piece together all the bits of information we have.

I spoke to Michael Fitzpatrick last week he has a mind of information on the history of Gorey.  I also contacted Gorey library and they have a copy of each of the volumes.  Although I have not seen the volumes I understand there is only a fairly small section which mentions the Green/es due to the fact the evictions are part of the Gorey history.  But worth a look if you are ever in Gorey library!
Best wishes
Kath
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Mariam82 on Saturday 03 July 10 16:53 BST (UK)
My ancestor is Alice Green born 1850 ballyfad.  I know little about her but I believe Justin Rossney has much more about the Green/kinsella family.  I would love to get Alice's birth on the IGI.

regards
Maria
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: aghadowey on Saturday 03 July 10 19:49 BST (UK)
My ancestor is Alice Green born 1850 ballyfad.  I know little about her but I believe Justin Rossney has much more about the Green/kinsella family.  I would love to get Alice's birth on the IGI.

regards
Maria

Civil registration of births in Ireland started in 1864- for earlier dates you need to search for church records (if they exist).
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Kath nee Greene on Sunday 04 July 10 13:44 BST (UK)
Hi
I have found an Alice Greene who died in 1935 age 84 registered in Gorey (B1851).  Might be the Alice you are looking for.

If I find anymore on Alice I will let you know
Best wishes
Kath
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions - alice green
Post by: Mariam82 on Sunday 04 July 10 15:35 BST (UK)
Hello Kath -

Alice Green married Andrew Kavenagh in Arklow wicklow august 1866.  I have just found the pilot search record on family search which confirms the church
records I previously found.
Do you happen to know - if I sent for the marriage cert - would it show more details than already given on the pilot search ??????

I am more interested in alice's early life before she moved to England.  She was a widow by 1891 and then moved to accrington Lancs.  She remarried shortly afterwards and died in 1913 in accrington.   
Thanks for your interest.  Maria
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 04 July 10 15:41 BST (UK)
See here for details included on Irish marriage certificates-
www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Mariam82 on Sunday 04 July 10 15:55 BST (UK)
thank u. 
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Kath nee Greene on Sunday 04 July 10 16:49 BST (UK)
Hi
if you get the marriage certificate it will tell you the names of the parents and where they lived at the time.  If you already know then if it was me I would not bother.
Best wishes
Kath
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: aghadowey on Sunday 04 July 10 16:50 BST (UK)
Hi
if you get the marriage certificate it will tell you the names of the parents and where they lived at the time.  If you already know then if it was me I would not bother.
Best wishes
Kath

No, the marriage certificate will lists fathers' names and occupations but not the mothers. Please read the post about details found on Irish marriage certificates.
http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php/topic,433042.0.html
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Kath nee Greene on Sunday 04 July 10 17:14 BST (UK)
thanks I missed that
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: SanTelmo on Saturday 10 November 12 20:27 GMT (UK)
Hi Maria,

The Kilanerin RC parish records have been added to the rootsireland.ie website now.

You can also search by parish on the wexford.rootsireland.ie page.

I did a quick check and can see there are 7 greens listed for the parish:

Green   Anne   1826   
Greene   William   1843      
Greene   Anne   1859      
Greene   Margaret   1861   
Greene   William   1872      
Green   John           1894        
Green   William   1900

There are only records for 5 parishes in Co. Wexford so far on the site.  It is possible that your Alice may have been baptised in an adjoining parish.

I am descended from the Darcy family who lived in the Croghan and Rathpierce townslands of Coolgreany. 

I am hoping to check Peggy Doyle's book the next time I'm in Gorey to find out a bit more about the evictions.

Thanks,

Shane
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Kath nee Greene on Monday 12 November 12 09:56 GMT (UK)
Hi Shane

I am looking for the family of Daniel Green/e (my gt grandfather) who married Mary Darcy 1863/4.  I think Mary was from the Ballyfad area which is where Daniel was born in 1844.  In approximately 1864 they lived a Knockgreany for a short while and had two children Patrick 1865 and John 1864.  They later moved to Dublin where they had a 'female' in 1876.

Do you know of Mary Darcy and Daniel descendants?  I think Mary's brother was Myles and or Michael Darcy.  She also had a brother Thomas.

Look forward to hearing from you.
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: SanTelmo on Monday 12 November 12 21:35 GMT (UK)
Hi Kath,

I wasn't aware of the connection between the Darcy / Greene families.

My 3x great-grandfather was Terence Darcy.  His parents were Simon Darcy and Mary Keogh.  These are Simon and Mary's children:

Mary              1823      
Thomas      1824   
Ellen              1825   
Terence      1828   
James      1829      
Patrick      1831      
Simon      1833      
John              1836      
Elizabeth           1837
Thomas            1840

Terence Darcy married Mary Byrne of Rathshanmore Co. Wicklow and had the following children:

Mary              1865
Laurence     1866
Ellen            1868
Elizabeth     1870 (my 2x great-grandmother)
Catherine    1872
Bridget        1875

I have the Cantwell Memorial listings for Ballyfad Graveyard where there are many Darcys and Greenes buried.  Do you have these listings?  I can send them to you if you like.  They may be helpful in tracing the different branches of your family.

I have also been reading some newspaper articles from the time of the evictions.  One of the articles has a very interesting account of the family of Patrick Greene of Askinch. 

Thanks,
Shane

   
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Kath nee Greene on Monday 12 November 12 22:29 GMT (UK)
Hi Shane

Great to hear from you.  Yes I have found all the Green/e burials t Ballyfad and Kilenor.  Thank you for the offer. Simon, also spelt as Crean, was my 3x gt grandfather and father to John of Ballyfad and Patrick of Knockgreany.  John was my gt gt grandfather.

Patrick who married Bessie Kinsella, took over Ballyfad when his father John died and he was the one who was evicted along with Michael Green of Knockgreany, son of Patrick and Catherine Fowler.

Although I am not sure, I think Mary Darcy was from the Ballyfad area.  I do not know what happened to her and her children.  Daniel was last heard of in 1876, when his daughter was born and then nothing until my grandad, Patrick was born in 1902.  Daniel went on to marry Bridget Byrne, my gt grandmother in approximately 1892 and they had three children - John, Patrick and Elizabeth.  Patrick was my grandfather.  It would seem a bit strange for Daniel to call his children the same names as the children he had with Mary but that appears to be what happened.

I have been trying to work out if the Green/e's buried in Limberick and the Arklow or and the Holyfort Green/e's are all connected.

The tenant records of the Coolgreany estate are in the records office in Northern Ireland. Not sure if you knew this.  Most of the tenent books etc., were taken up there when the Rev Forde sold the estate to Brookes and moved back to Northern Ireland.  The Brookes family, incidently, originate from about 3 miles from where I now live!

I too have read the awful accounts of Patrick.  I was not sure if the Patrick of Askinch was the same Patrick in Ballyfad.

I wonder if the Mary Darcy, dau of Terence, is the same one who married my gt grandfather! I know she had a brother Thomas.  My thoughts were that if her first child was born in 1864 and Mary was born in 1823, then she would have been about 41 and 53 when the 'female' was born in Dublin.  Of course this is possible but for this reason I imagined she would not be this Mary but she could have been.

Look forward to hearing your thoughts on the above.  Or you may know someone who knows about the Green/e's who might be able to help me unwind all this!!!  Unfortunately, the Green/e's were scattered after the evictions and ended up all over the place!!
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: SanTelmo on Tuesday 13 November 12 20:23 GMT (UK)
Hi Kath,

Thanks for your message.

I didn't realise the Coolgreany tenant records were in Northern Ireland - I was trying to find this out.  I see that the records for the Brooke Estate are in the NLI in Dublin but these are only for the 1880s period.

I was actually at the PRNI in Belfast back in June researching another branch of my family from Blessington.  It's a great facility and the staff are very helpful so I'd love to go back to take a look at the Coolgreany records.

I'd say there is a very good chance that Mary Darcy is from Ballyfad.  According to rootsireland there were 30 Mary Darcys baptised in the Kilanerin parish.  I agree that the Mary Darcy from my branch would have been a bit too old to be the first wife of Daniel Green. 

There are only 6 Thomas Darcys baptised in Kilanerin - in the years 1791, 1807, 1824, 1827, 1840 and 1887.  I'd say only 2 or 3 of them would be in the right age group to be the brother of Mary so you'd probably be able to trace the family that way.

The next time I'm home I will see if I can find out anything about the Greene connection.

Thanks again,
Shane
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: powerwicklow on Tuesday 13 November 12 23:01 GMT (UK)
Hi All.

In reading this posting I realised that I have a couple of books covering the Coolgreany Evictions. The first is " Croghan to the Sea" which is a local history of Castletown, Coolgreany and the surrounding areas. Amongst other reading there is a 16 page article titled " The Coolgreany Evictions 1887" , a contribution by Peggy Doyle . Lots of pictures.

The other book is a new book just out by Jim Rees titled " Split Personalities". Chapter seven which is about twenty pages is about the Coolgreany Evictions. I only purchased today so I have yet to read it.

John.
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: SanTelmo on Thursday 15 November 12 18:07 GMT (UK)
Hi John,

Thanks for your message.  I've been planning to check out Peggy Doyle's book myself.  Does her book contain the photos from the Evictions that were taken by Mr Mallacy?

These photos can be seen on the NLI website (if you search for 'Coolgreany' in the main catalogue it will bring them up).  I've read reports of my ancestor Mary Darcy who was very elderly and bed-ridden at the time of the evictions.  On the NLI website I can see photos of an old woman in her bed, but she is unidentified.  I was wondering if Peggy Doyle has named the people in the photos?

Here is one of the photos that I mean:

http://catalogue.nli.ie/Record/vtls000225678/Image?lookfor=http://www.nli.ie/npa/coolgreany/cool881b.jpg

Thanks for the information on the other books also, I will have to hunt them down!

Shane
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Kath nee Greene on Thursday 15 November 12 18:28 GMT (UK)
Hi Shane and John

I understand the photo's with names on, in Peggy's book, actually had the names written on the negatives.  The photos in Peggy's book that do not have names on are because they were not written on the negatives. I guess at the time of printing nobody knew who they were.

Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Kath nee Greene on Thursday 15 November 12 19:53 GMT (UK)
Hi Shane

Do you happen to have the name of the newspaper and the date for the article on Patrick of Askinch please?  I think he is my gt grandfather's brother of Ballyfad.

I will see what I have on the Darcy family.

Interesting to see there were not many Green/e's listed in Kilanerin.  I did get most of my information from the Arklow Parish records in Dublin Library. Mary Darcy married Daniel Green/e (my gt grandfather) 16th Feb 1863, Kilanerin.

Thanks Shane
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: SanTelmo on Thursday 15 November 12 20:29 GMT (UK)
Hi Kath,

The article I read was in the Freeman's Journal, dated 9th July 1887.

I found it on the British Newspaper Archive website.

Re the photos on the NLI website, all the people in the photos are down as unidentified.  However I know from other websites that the identify of many of those people is known - so it would seem the NLI didn't bother adding the names (yet).

The records for Arklow RC Parish can also be found on the LDS books website - the book is a downloadable PDF, you just have to search for Arklow records:

http://books.familysearch.org

Thanks,

Shane
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: powerwicklow on Thursday 15 November 12 23:05 GMT (UK)
Hi all.

Just back to the two books I mentioned. In Croghan to the Sea the article I mentioned I presume is only an extact from the original book by Peggy Doyle or was it in its self only a short history. Croghan to the Sea came out around the year 2000 and I suppose at this stage one would want to be in or around Coolgreany to find a copy. The other book, Split Personalities, Arklow 1885- 1892 by Jim Rees is only out in the last week or so and I think Jim has his own web site to purchase from if you are not local.

John.
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Kath nee Greene on Saturday 17 November 12 06:52 GMT (UK)
Thank you Shane

Here are the references for the Ford Estate records held in Northern Ireland.

You might want to check to see what they have and if there are more references before you travel to N Ireland.

MIC599 - Microfilm - Contains volume of Maps of the Coolgreany Estate with Maps of Individual Townlands and names of the tenants. Included in the papers are Knockgreany, Coolgreany and Ballyfad.

D566 - Forde Papers - Contains rentals, rent books, leases relating to the Wexford estate.  Included are details of Knockgreany, Ballyfad and Coolgreany.

Forde papers  D240
T2749
Forde, Lady Harriet, papers  D2577
Forde, Mathew, documents  T155
T219
T637
T3373
Forde and Milliken papers  D2410
Forde and Stitt documents T1436
Forfeited Estates' Trustees papers T3365

Apparently when Forde was leaving he put all these papers in the field to be burnt.  However, a local man took them and put them on the transport with all the other removal items for Forde and off they went to Northern Ireland !
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: DRJR on Thursday 29 November 12 10:42 GMT (UK)
Thanks, John, for the reference to Jim Rees's 'Split Personalities'. I bought it last week and you're right about the level of information in the chapter dealing with the evictions. His inclusion of Henry Hurlberg's account is, as far as I know, new to this subjuect, uncovered after 130 years. Good stuff.

Jack
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Kath nee Greene on Sunday 09 December 12 19:54 GMT (UK)
Hi John and Jack

Can you recommend "Split Personalities", in particular chapter 7, for more details on the families involved in the evictions or is the chapter on the general events?
Thanks
Kath
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: powerwicklow on Sunday 09 December 12 23:06 GMT (UK)
Hi Kath.

I have'nt read the book completely but reading over chapter seven tonight while it does mention some of the families it would more or less cover the event in general with alot of mention of the Clergy.For someone interested in the event the book would probably be a worthwhile purchase as there seems to be more references throughout the book. You should find it online if you are not local.

John.
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Kath nee Greene on Monday 10 December 12 07:31 GMT (UK)
Thank you John.

It does sound as though this is worth purchasing. I will see if I can purchase on line as I live in the UK
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: DRJR on Monday 10 December 12 12:25 GMT (UK)
Hi Kath,
I agree with John. Jim Rees's account of the evictions is more from a general point of view rather than from a family history one, although most of the families are named. So, yeah, I would say it is the event and the general background of what was going on in the area at that time.
Jack
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Kath nee Greene on Monday 10 December 12 13:41 GMT (UK)
Hi Jack

Thank you.  I am trying to find out some of the family members who were evicted and not mentioned in Peggy Doyle's book.
I have a little puzzle to solve -
I have two photos of the Green/e family of 1 Knockgreany and 2 Knockgreany.  Michael of 1 Knockgreany and his wife were evicted in 1887 and this is all documented.
 However, the group photo of 2 Knockgreany, said to be taken at the evictions, would seem to be my gt grandfather Daniel Green, who married Mary Darcy,  Daniel’s mother Mary Green, previously Byrne, nee Molloy and a few other members of the family.  Oddly this Green family are not mentioned in the evictions, in fact Myles Darcy, sister to Mary, now had the tenancy on 2 Knockgreany at the time of the evictions.  Could Daniel and Mary have been living with Myles, or could this photo have been taken long before the evictions!
The people in the group photo are very well dressed and look as though they are off on a day out
If anyone comes across any detail that might shed some light on the Green group photo of 2 Knockgreany and when it might have been taken it would be much appreciated.
Patrick Green of Ballyfad, who was also evicted, is Daniel’s brother.
Thank you in anticipation
Kath
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: DRJR on Monday 10 December 12 13:49 GMT (UK)
Hi Kath
I have to hold my hand up and say I wouldn't have a clue about the individual families. I just know about the event from what I read in Peggy Doyle and Jim Rees's books. I'm not from the area so am at a loss about the families. Sorry.

Jack
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Kath nee Greene on Monday 10 December 12 15:02 GMT (UK)
No problem Jack.

Someone might see my post one day and send me all the names !!!  - dream on Kath!
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: powerwicklow on Monday 10 December 12 20:23 GMT (UK)
Hi Kath.

Jim Rees has written several local books as well as "Split Personalities". I would say if you are to make contact with him he will put you in the right direction as to a copy of the book. Amazon have it but its not for sale yet. Even to get his book and see what his sources were.

John.
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: ailbhe on Friday 06 February 15 17:54 GMT (UK)
Very interesting thread. Anyone  have any connections to Murphy/Darcy?  My father's god parents were Timothy and Elizabeth Dary.  His name was John Murphy. born Ballyloughlin, Monaseed christened in Kilanerin. Johns parents were Samuel and Bridget both Murphys.  Bridget's parents were   Michael Murphy, Annagh, and Mary Darcy. Michael's parents were James Murphy, Annagh, and Bridget Kinsley.  Mary Darcy Murphy's  parents were  Michael Darcy and Elizabeth Kinsley.   Other names in the family  Osborne, Kerwan Sullivan, My fathers father Samuel Murphy was from Carriglegan, Ferns. He was carpenter and moved to the Murphys house at Ballyloughlin after his marriage. 
Wonder were these Darcys related to the evicted Darcys?  I know my father spoke about a Cannon Darcy. any ideas, I would be most grateful.
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Kath nee Greene on Friday 06 February 15 20:19 GMT (UK)
Great, thank you John
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Kath nee Greene on Friday 06 February 15 20:28 GMT (UK)
Not sure if they are the same Darcy family but my gt grandfather Daniel Green/e married a Mary Darcy in Kilanerin.  They had two sons, John and Patrick and a female born in Dublin.  Don't know what happened but Daniel, 20 years later married a Bridget Byrne and they had a John, Patrick and Elizabeth.

Do you know where the family were buried?
If you can let me have some dates for your Murphy and Darcy and I will see what I can find
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: ailbhe on Wednesday 18 February 15 20:59 GMT (UK)
Kath the following are the details of my Darcy line.
Michael Darcy married Elizabeth Kinsley.  she was from Ballyfad.
children Hugh, 1816. John 1819, Patrick 1822, Catherine 1824, Bridget 1833, William 1836.

Bridget 1833 was my gr.grandmother she married Michael Murphy  born 1828  son of James Murphy and Bridget Kinsley, who farmed at Annagh  most of their children had Darcy Godparents. 

My fathers Godfather Timothy Darcy born 1890 was the son of Michael. Michael Darcy was the son of WilliamDarcy and Jane Blake.  Timothy married in Dublin. He too had a sister Mary Darcy. 

Any help in connecting the families appreciated.



Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Kath nee Greene on Friday 20 February 15 13:09 GMT (UK)
I have quite a few registrations for the Darcy family which you can have but far too many to note here.  They are from the Coolgreany, Ballyfad and surrounding areas.  You may be able to link them together.

It is my understanding we have to correspond three times on this site before we can share email addresses - is that correct Shane?
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: conahy calling on Sunday 08 March 15 18:28 GMT (UK)
You both have 40+ posts,  you only need 3 in order to use Personal Message facility.  :)

Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: ailbhe on Wednesday 12 April 17 19:31 BST (UK)
An update on my Darcy line. Hugh Darcy born 1751 died Mullaun, Coolgreany in 1835 he was my gr.gr.gr.grandfather. His son Michael Darcy  my gr.gr.grandfather. Mary Darcy, Michael's daughter born 1833  was my  gr.grandmother. My gr.grandmother Mary Darcy was sister to Hugh Darcy born 1816 whose family photos from the Coolgreany evictions are in the NLI photo archives. Hugh was dead by 1887 his widow Ann is the lady in the bed in the photos. All the above are buried in Ballinfad just to the side of the church door.  Related names Kinsley/Kinsella/Osborne/Murphy etc.
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Kath nee Greene on Saturday 15 April 17 16:27 BST (UK)
Hi ailbhe

You mention the surname Osborne.  Where does this come in your family tree?

Here are the details of my gt grandfather's marriage  Arklow Parish Births.  Mary Darcy Marr Daniel GREENE KNOCKGREANY 16 Feb 1863, Kilanerin. Witnesses Thomas Darcy and Denis Garvey
Mary Darcy's sibling.  Mary had a brother Thomas and I have found out the other day she also had a brother Patrick as I have since found this -
Daniel and Mary Greene were godparents to Bridget in 1863 born to Patrick Darcy and Honora Mulligan living in Crohen, page 19 Killenior parish records.

Daniel's brother Patrick married an Elizabeth Kinsella - parents John Kinsella and a Judith Kavanagh.

Do you think the Christian name Miles/Myles would be Michael in 'English'?

Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Jytefas on Friday 05 October 18 10:31 BST (UK)
Local History – Help Wanted!
Old Kilnenor Historical Society (OKHS) are pleased to announce the publishing of a book on the Coolgreany evictions titled ‘NOTICE TO QUIT’. This is an in-depth study of the Plan of Campaign evictions which commenced in 1887 and continued right through to Nov 1897. This is an opportunity for people with an interest in the history of their local community to preserve this history before it is lost for good.
In addition to researching manuscripts, documents and newspaper archives in The National Library, The National Archives and the Co Library in Wexford, attention is now focusing on the hunt for any old documents, photographs, meeting minutes, poems of this sad passage of history that you, your parents or grandparents may have stashed away in a plastic bag, shoe box or biscuit tin in the attic.
All we are looking for in our local community is for people to perhaps consider sending photographs of the evicted families, Brooke estate rent receipts, ‘Notice to Quit’ notices to tenants., livestock distrain permits, summons to court appearances, jail term details and duration, photos of medals for bravery, the presentation and associated documents, articles, memories, snippets, suggestions, illustrations - in fact anything that may add a small piece towards the jigsaw of the Coolgreany evictions. Photographs always enrich a history as they give the reader a flavour of the time in which the work is set.
HOW TO CONTRIBUTE?
If you have any material like this, and would like to make available for inclusion in the book, then please give me a shout on here or join our facebook group on NOTICE TO QUIT (Brooke Estate Evictions) https://www.facebook.com/groups/1051647248340939/
Please join us for more information on; https://www.facebook.com/groups/1051647248340939/
Title: Re: Coolgreany Evictions
Post by: Andrew Graham on Wednesday 18 December 19 15:02 GMT (UK)
To Carth nee Green.  Mary Darcy b1834 appears to be the sister of Bridget b b1837 (my gg grandmother) her brother were Michael b1824, Thomas b1827, Patrick b1823, Nicola b1829 and Dorothy b1832- parents Myles and Bridget Redmond m 1822. Bridget m James Graham (Croghan) in 1859. He died 1911 and is buried in Ballyfad, of Bridget's death and burial I can find no record.  Re Green: quote from L Perry Curtiss " Depiction of Eviction in Ireland" pp 186/90 " At Michael Greens barricaded cottage the crowbar gang were hacking away at a mudbrick wall when it suddenly collapsed almost crushing them". Andrew