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Hi,
I am trying to trace the family of Charles COURTNAGE, born c.1810 in either Lurgashall or Bepon, Sussex. Any help would be much appreciated!
Thanks in advance,
Anna x
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Forwards or backwards? i.e Family of descendants or family of ancestors?
What have you got already? Which censuses have you got him on? where did yr of birth etc come from?
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Sorry, I wasn't very specific was I?
Info I have already is as follows:
Census:
1861 - Charles Courtnage, spouse Louisa, birth 1811, Headley, Hampshire
1871 - Chas Courtnage, spouse, Louisa, birth 1811 Bepon, Sussex, residence, Headley, Hampshire
1881 - Charles Courtnage, spouse, Lucy, birth 1811, Headley, Hampshire
They married in 1835 in Headley (details from Parish Register).
There is no record of Charles' birth in the Headley registers, but there *is* a Charles Courtnage bap 11th March 1810 in Lurgashall that I just found on the LDS site, with parents Thomas Courtnage and Sarah Enticknap, (Also finding COURTENAGE and COURTNAGE used) and I am thinking he might be the same Charles?
I would like to trace his family backwards to find his ancestors, so any 1851 or 1841 info would be helpful.
Hope that makes sense,
Anna x
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Yes, perfect sense
1851
HO107 1596 248 12
Headley
Charles Coutnage 38 Ag lab
Lucy 43
Elizabeth 20
Sarah 18
Mary 17
Henry 10
Charles 7
Daniel 5
Ann 3
Frederick 1
all bn Headley
indexed Charles and Leacy Courtnace - but image although not the clearest, I am happy says Courtnage and Lucy.
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This looks like them in 1841 ... but the children dont match well! I guess the baby could be Henry, and maybe Mary who I noted as 17 in 1851 was actually 13 in 1851, as I said the image was not the clearest!
But where are the other children?
HO107 1596 248 12
Arford, Headley
Charles Cortnage 25 Ag lab N
Lucy 30 Y
Mary 3 Y
child 3 weeks (male) Y
A couple of doors away are
Henry Cortnage 75 N
Charlotte 55 N
Ellener 6 Y
who may or may not be related.
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Still havent found Elizabeth and Sarah in 1841
but there is this other Cortnage family -
HO107 382 7
Hern, Headley
Henry 35 Ag lab N
Daniel 15
Frederick 12
Eliza 10
James 8
Henry 6
Emily 3
similar range of names - I wonder if Henry is Charles's brother or cousin or something?
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Aha - I just realised - if they married in 1835 then Elizabeth and Sarah would have been born before the marriage.
I wonder if they are using a different surnam in 1841?
Was it a first marriage for both Charles and Lucy? what was Lucy's surname at marraige?
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Thanks for all of this! I think the Henrys listed as not being born in the area are possibly related - does it say where they are from? I see that Charles is listed as not from Headley as well, which ties with him being born in Lurgashall. Currently trying to link in all the Henrys - keep fingers crossed for a breakthrough!
Will check out the children possibly born outside of marriage. I have Lucy/Louisa's surname as Marshall.
Anna :)
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Just wondering - any sign of the Henry aged 35 you found in the 1841 in the 1851 or 1861 census?
Anna
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Cant see that family at all in 1851 :(
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Cant see that family at all in 1851 :(
Neither can I ???
While looking I found this chap in 1881
John Cortnage 60 Laborer (Farm) born Bepan Sussex living in Headley
RG11/1248/53 Pg15
But can't see him on any other census except possibly in Harting in 41 HO107/1101/4/18 Pg3
With William 50 and Mary 18
As for Bepan/Bepon can only assume this is Bepton :-\
I can check the Bepton registers for you tomorrow, Anna
Jan ;)
Ah there is a baptism on the IGI
John Cortenage baptised Bepton 12 Sep 1819 parents Henry and Charlotte
nothing for Charles or Henry born c1805 though :( Will still have a look at the original Bepton registers
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Thank you for the offer - look forward to seeing what the registers have to say!
Anna x
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I really will go tomorrow - Thurs :D
Jan ;)
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Is this Henry and family in 1851? Transcribed as "Cambridge" -
HO107/1596 Folio 224 Page 4
Headley, Hampshire
Henry C.......age widower 49 Ag Lab Lug...sha.. Sussex
James 18 Ag Lab Hants Headley
Henry 16 Ag Lab "
Emily 14 "
Regards
Cat
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and in 1861 -
RG9/436 Folio 64 Page 10
Herne, Headley, Hampshire
Henry Courtnage widower 60 Ag Lab Hants Headley
Henry Gauntlett son in law 25 Bricklir? (Bricklayer I presume) "
Emma dau 23 Dressmaker "
Regards
Cat
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John that Janan found in 1881? Transcribed "Cantnadger"!
1861 RG9/436 Folio 77 Page 12
Beech Hill Vale, Headley, Hampshire
John Courtna...e 43 Ag lab Sussex Bep....n
Phebe Boxall 44 housekeeper .............. ...enshall
Charlotte Boxall dau 9 Scholar Headley
Phebe Boxall dau 3 Headley
As the relationship column is supposed to show relationship to Head of Household, are the girls John's illegitimate children with his "housekeeper"?
and 1871 RG10/1228 Folio 77 Page 16 (transcribed "Courhiage")
Fullers Vale, Headley, Hampshire
John Cou...age unmar 52 Ag Lab Headley
Febe Boxal 13 servant Headley
Phillis Boxall mar Housekeeper Hants Bramshall
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In 1851, hes transcribed as John Constance (age 32, unmar, b. Sussex Bepton) and is living with Philipa Boxall (age 34, mar, lodger, b. Surrey Frensham?)
Headley, Hampshire
HO107/1596 Folio 249 Page 15
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Hi Anna
The Bepton Registers were well worth a look :D
26 April 1807 Anne d of Henry Cartnedge and Sarah his wife
28 April 1811 Charles s of Henry and Sarah Courtneg
20 Jun 1813 Shadrach s of Henry and Sarah Courtenage Labourer Bepton
27 Oct 1814 burial of Sarah Courtenage 41 Bepton
13th July 1816 Marriage Henry Courtenage to Charlotte Hounsome both of this parish. Both made their mark. Witnessed Mary Courtenage mark and William Baigent signed. Sadly it does not say whether Henry was a widow but given the age difference between him and Charlotte it does look likely this was a second marriage.
29 Jul 1817 Eliza d of Henry and Charlotte Courtenage
12 Sep 1820 John s of Henry and Charlotte Courtenage Bepton Labourer
I couldn't see a baptism for Henry born c 1801 but parts of the register were messy so I may have missed him. No marriage for Henry and Sarah in Bepton that I could see.
Hope this helps
Jan ;)
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Hmm these extracted records look good
Henry Courtnege to Sarah Mitchell 19 JUN 1793 Kirdford
Sarah Courtenage d of Henry Courtenage and Sarah baptised 3 MAR 1799 Lurgashall
Henry Courtenage s of Henry Courtenage and Sarah 23 MAR 1801 Lurgashall
Jan ;)
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Hi Anna
Thanks for the PM, glad the info is useful.
I think your Charles is most likely to be the Bepton one rather than the Lurgashall one - he gives his birthplace on censuses as Bep(t)on or Headley. The whole of Henry and Sarah/Charlotte's family seem to move to Headley.
Have you looked for a Lurgashall Charles on censuses? or a burial for him?
Jan ;)
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Thanks Cat and Jan for all the help here!
Still giggling my head off at "Cantnadger"!
Piecing it all together on my tree now, will no doubt be back with more questions. ;D
Anna x
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Hi Anna
Checked a few more things for you
Marriage Kirdford
19 Jun 1793 Henry Courtnage of Petworth to Sarah Mitchell otp
Witnesses Thomas Courtnage and Shadrack Mitchell
Which is great given the 1813 Bepton baptism of Shadrach Courtnage and the presence of a Thomas Cortnage in Lurgashall :D
Lurgashall
No extra info on the baptisms and no early burial I could see for the Lurgashall Charles :(
Marriage
21 Jan 1795 Thomas Courtnage Bach otp to Sarah Enticknap spinster otp witnesses Henry Courtneg and Mary Enticknap
Like the presence of Henry and that he signs himself Courtneg which is how the name was spelt at Charles Bepton baptism :D
Jan ;)
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Hello,
My name is Lesley and I am also researching the Courtnage/Courtenage families in Lurgashall/Bepton. I can see you are researching the same and wondered if we could exchange information please? I came across this website by complete accident and hoping this message gets to you.
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Hi Lesley
Welcome to Rootschat :D
Anna hasn't been around for a couple of months - but hopefully she will be notified of new replies and come back. Meanwhile if you need anything checked on the Bepton/Lurgashall registers I can do that for you when I next go to the West Sussex Records Office - I'm not sure when that will be though.
Jan ;)
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Hello Jan,
I was so pleased to see that someone had responded to this. I was in the Sussex Records Office myself a couple of weeks ago. There was so much I wanted to look at, but simply didn't have the time as I live in Wales. My husband is a Courtney and used to live in Sussex. Are you related to the Courtney's yourself and is there anyone you are specifically looking for? I would be more than happy to share what I have with you and to let you know where I am stuck. Thank you very much for replying to me.
Lesley
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Hi Lesley,
I'm not related to the family I was just helping Anna out with some look-ups.
Where are you stuck? Maybe I or other Rootschat members can help - we enjoy a bashing down brickwalls ;D
Jan ;)
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Hello Jan,
I am so pleased to hear back from you and extremely grateful for any help. I have a Henry Courtnage who married a Charlotte Hounsome on the 13th July 1816 in Bepton, Sussex. I am confident this Henry courtnage was married before to Sarah Mitchell. I took an extract from the Parish Register, so I know he was a bachelor (unless he was lying of course) when he married sarah on 17th June 1783 at Kridford. They had 7 children together - all their baptisms accounted for up to Shadrach on 20th June 1813. By process of illimination I believe this Henry came from Farnhurst. I have a bapstism of 21st February 1768 for him, but I need to be sure I have the right Henry. Sarah died when Shadrach was 16 months old and was buried at Bepton on 27th October 1814 leaving him with a string of young children. Somehow he ended up marrying Charlotte Hounsome in 1816 and went on to have a lot of other children. Eliza 1817, John 1819, Geoorge 1822, James 1825, Daniel 1826 (My x 2 Gt.Grandfather), Frederick 1827, Caroline 1828,
I then have a Caroline 1828, Another Eliza or Elizabeth in1830, James 1832, Eleanor 1834, Henry 1835 and Emily in 1838. I've obviously gone horribly wrong with the last 5 as Charlotte couldn't possibly have been having all these babies!! I believe Charlotte was baptised on 20th Sept 1789 at Cocking. Her husband Henry was at least 20 years older than her. I've looked at this until i'm blue in the face and its driving me mad, but I can't put it down.
Please excuse this long message, but I would welcome any help you can offer.
With grateful thanks, Lesley
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Hi Lesley
13 children over 22 years is exhausting but not impossible; one of mine had 14 also over 22 years. Although if Charlotte was born 1789 as you believe she would have been 49 by the time Emily was born, not impossible but I guess unlikely. I wonder if Henry junior born c1801 also married a Charlotte? I notice Daniel Frederick Eliza James Henry and Emily are with him in 41, Eleanor is with Henry senior and Charlotte - see earlier postings. Ooh yes in 51 Eliza, James and Emily are with Henry junior listed as daughters and son - so somewhere there must be a marriage of Henry to Charlotte ? maybe c1825. It seems your 2xgreat grandfather could well be son of Henry junior son of Henry senior and Sarah, not certain as the 41 doesn't give relationships. Some census tracking might confirm.
Jan ;)
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Hello Jan,
Thank you so much for all your help first of all. About Daniel bapt: 15h Jan 1826 in Headley. No doubt his about his parentage. Father Henry Courtnage and I believe Charlotte Hounsome. By way of Census tracking I found Daniel on the 1851Census with his wife nee Frances Kewell. He is 25. Now the only facility I have open to me is the IGI. I cannot acces Parish Registers which would be a primary source. I cannot find a marriage between a Henry Courtnage and a Charlotte around 1825, which is why I believed he was Henry and Charlotte Hounsome's Son, but I accept what you say about her age.
There is a marriage between another Henry Courtnage and Charlotte Mooney on 31st May 1874 which is too far in the future. Therefore, the last five children I listed cannot be from that union.
I know when Henry married Charlotte Hounsome it never said he was widowed. However, I believe Henry's 1st marriage was to Sarah Mitchel in 1793 at Kirdford. The had a total of 7 children. The first recorded birth was for charlotte in 1796, so its possible Sarah had other children before , that could have died. Her last child Shadrach was a nightmare. He ended up in a penal colony in Tasmania and died there.
The Henry you speak of born in 1801 was baptised in Lurgashall. In fact when Charlotte was born in 1796 they were living in Selbourne, moved to Lurgashall and had Sarah 1799, and Henry 1801. By 1804 they were in Treyford where Harriet was born, then onto Bepton where Ann was born in 1807, followed by Charles in 1811 and Shadrach in 1813 leaving Henry widowed by October 1814 aged about 38. Henry Snr then marries Charlotte Hounsome in 1816; has Eliza in 1817 and John in 1819 in Bepton and the rest are born in Headley.
As all these children up to Emily in 1838 are recorded as having parents as Henry & Charlotte, by process of illimination, I believed they were of that union, but that doesn't make me correct.
Henry and Charlotte's Son James died aged 10 months and was buried on 1st July 1826 in Headley. They were living in the Parish House then in Headley itself. They also had another daughter called Caroline who appears to have been baptised twice -privately and publicly? in 1828. So, the question is, is Daneil 1826 the Son of Henry and Charlotte Housome or the Son of Henry of 1801 henry Courtnage who I believe died/buried 2nd December 1875 aged 78 years - I just don't know. I am satisfied that I have found all the marriages of the children born to Henry and Sarah Mitchell with the exception of Henry.
I cannot find him anywhere on the 1851 census at all. I am loathed to get it wrong Jan because it means so much to me. Any views as to where I go from here?
Lesley
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Is this Henry and family in 1851? Transcribed as "Cambridge" -
HO107/1596 Folio 224 Page 4
Headley, Hampshire
Henry C.......age widower 49 Ag Lab Lug...sha.. Sussex
James 18 Ag Lab Hants Headley
Henry 16 Ag Lab "
Emily 14 "
Regards
Cat
Cat found Henry born c1801 the entry is very smudgy - Henry's birthplace is given as Lugashaw Sussex, which is probably either his or the enumerator's best guess at spelling Lurgashall. As Cat says his surname is transcribed as Cambridge but looks like Courtnage to me. Now James 18 Henry 16 and Emily 14 who are with him in 1841 (along with your Daniel, Frederick and Eliza) have nothing in the relationship column. The 51 turns out to be no more help than the 41 - are these his children, his siblings or a mixture? Henry is a widower so he was married to someone - was she a Charlotte? I'm leaning heavily towards yes, but of course maybe wrong. One reason is Charlotte nee Hounsome's age when she would have had the last few children (she is at least 55 in 1841 so would have been 52 when she had Emily) Another is the children living with Henry junior in both 41 and 51- it seems to me to be beyond the call of brotherly duty to take in 6 siblings the yougest only 3! One way of finding out something would be to get Emily's birth certificate she being the only child born after 1837) which would give her mum's maidenname. Here she is
Emily Courtenage jan qtr 1838 Farnham registration district Vol 4 pg 950
As you say it does matter a lot to get things right, which isn't always easy.
Jan ;)
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Thank you Jan,
What you have provided is very kind of you, and I just wanted to say how much I appreciate the information. I will apply for Emily's Birth Certificate today as you suggest. It is now obvious to me why I couldn't Henry Courtnage on the 1851 Census due to the transcription of his name. As soon as I get it, I will let you have all the information contained in it.
Thank you again
Best Wishes
Lesley
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Hi Lesley
I look forward to hearing what the birth certificate says - was Charlotte Hounsome still having babies in her 50s or will we know who Henry junior married? Of course if it is the latter it still won't let us know which of the later children belonged to Henry senior, which to Henry junior. It is possible the Headley registers could help - if there were two Henry and Charlottes having children the registrar may have indicated junior or senior to distinguish. A request on the Hampshire Look-up board for the Headley baptisms to be checked for further information would be worthwhile - someone may be able to help.
Jan ;)
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Hello Jan,
You wont believe this one!
I am sure you have in the past spoken to a lady called Karen Tooth. She is my husnand's second cousin. She came to see us yesterday in Wales on the way to her holiday destination at St.Davids. I told her I had purchased the Birth Certificate of Emily Courtenage, and she said "..oh I wished you had told me - I have it"... Brilliant I say, what is Charlotte's surname. Oh its silent.
Just say's Charlotte, so that was a waste of time sadly.
Anyway she gave me the name of a gentleman in Headley called John Owen Smith who very kindly send me a download of other people researching the same family. Unfortnately for me today I have a broken micro filter on my Sky conncetion,so I can't download any material. I must be jinxed!!!
I was so excited at the prospect of discovering Charlotte's surname.
Never mind. Back to the drawing board I guess- lost.
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No surname!?? That is unbelieveable, how frustating >:( Hopefully you will be able to download the stuff from John soon and maybe get somewhere.
Keep me posted
Jan ;)
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Thank you Jan.
As soon as I am able to access it I will definitely let you know what he has sent. Can't wait now, being too impatient.
I am so so disappointed about that Birth Certificate I can't tell you how much.
However, you do come across these stumbling blocks, but I have such faith Jan and determination, I will eventually find it.
IGI aside, I know for an absolute certainty that Charlotte and Henry Jnr were definitely not married in Headley because John tells me their local History Soceity have stripped the register. I am not sure what surrounding parishes there are, but obviously the only way to search for it would be a parish by parish church search?
Speak to you soon.
With Kind Regards
Lesley
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The Hampshire Genealogical Society has a Hampshire Marriage Index 1538 - 1837
http://www.hgs-online.org.uk/research.htm
so they may be able to find the marriage for you.
Good luck
Jan ;)
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Hi Lesley
I wonder if this could be the missing marriage?
Henry Courtney to Charlotte Trusler 4th Dec 1824 in Frensham Surrey
It is an extracted entry on the IGI
Frensham is about 5 miles north of Headley
Jan ;)
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Hello Jan,
This does sound promising. I have never found this extraction via the IGI and I did a UK search for Courtnage wihich usually throws up all variations of the spelling of the surname. Thank you so much, I will investigate this.
Kind Regards
Lesley
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Encouragingly there are no children in Frensham (or indeed Surrey) except a Henry who is baptised Sep 1835 - this is the same year as Henry baptised in Headley, so may be a second baptism :-\
Jan ;)
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Hello again Jan,
Interestingly enough, I looked through Sussex, Surrey and Hampshire IGI bases for a possible birth for Charlotte Trussler and I found one suitable baptism on the 16th November 1800 in Petworth. The parents were named as John & Mary Trussler. I think the Trussler's may have potentially had a connection to Headley, as I then found a buriel for a Mary Trussler.
It is obviously a previous generation, but I noted a Mary Trussler (spelt that way) Born in 1750 in Frensham, Surrey - Baptised on 22nd June 1751 same place and buried on 15th April 1802 in Headley. Her parents were John Trussler and Mary. So,perhaps Henry Courtney/Courtnage was working in or around around Frensham when he met and/or married Charlotte, and they moved back because both families had a connection to Headley?
I did manage to download one set of stripped census returns for Headley in 1841/1851 off Mr.Smith. I note that James who was baptised in 1825 was whilst Henry & Charlotte(potentially Trusler)were also living in the Parish House in Headley as were Henry & Charlotte Snr.
Mr.Smith tells me this was not a workhouse exactly, but it was a place people could go who had very little money.
This is looking a little more promising Jan don't you think?
Regards,
Lesley
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Hi Lesley
I agree it is all looking very promising indeed :D
For the sake of completeness I had a look for a death for Charlotte wife of Henry junior between Emily's birth and the 1841 census and found
Charlotte Courtenage death Jan qtr 1839 Farnham Registration District Vol 4 Pg75
Jan ;)
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Lesley
I've just been on John Owen Smith's site where the Headley baptisms are available - have you seen them? Henry senior and Henry junior were baptising children overlapping! I hope you can get to look at it as there are comments (saying which children belong to Henry senior and which to Henry junior), abode and occuption. I am excited and they aren't even my family ;D If you still don't manage to view them I will let you know who belongs to who here but I would rather you have the chance of seeing them in all their glory first.
Jan ;)
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Well Hello Jan
I am so overwhelmed with excitement! I have indeed looked at it and separated all the families out. I am ever more confident about the marriage of Henry Junior to Charlotte Trusler too. At least from this, we now know which children belong to Father & Son.
I am now turning my attention to Henry Senior who I believe was baptised 21st Feb 1768 in Farnhurst. I admit I have done this by process of illimination.
I also believe his parents were John Courtnage and Sarah Bridger. I believe this because John Courtnage named his first son (2nd child) after himself and Henry was his 4th child. Henry of 1768 also named one of his Son's John.
Henry of 1768 also had a brother called Thomas who I believe was a witness on the marriage entry when Henry married Sarah Mitchell in 1775 in in Farnhurst.
John & Sarah's first 4 children are all born in Farnhurst, but when Thomas is born they are in Lurgashall and we have the connection to this village already.
John Courtnage was baptised 27th Sept 1738 in Farnhurst -Sarah was baptised 2nd March 1738 in Lodsworth.
I think I can go one even better Jan. I believe that John Courtnage's parents were Henry Courtney and Hannah Cox. I was thrown a little as their marriage was 8th January 1732 in St.Martins in the Fields, Westminster.
I am told by Sussex Record Office that during this time, this Church was a very popular and fashionable place to marry and many people travelled to London to get married and then returned to their respective parish/county.
If I am correct, the latter two had Ann 1734;Henry 1735;Elizabeth1738 (all baptised in St.Martins - they return to Farnhurst and baptise John in September 1738? My only query is Elizabeth being baptised in the same year albeit in June 1738 what do you think Jan?
Its lovely to know that someone else can get so terribly excited. I won't sleep tonight thinking about this - am I sad or what?
I just love family history so much, I am totally obsessed -sorry about that Jan.
Kind Regards
Lesley
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Hi Lesley
So glad you were able to access the baptisms :D
I think your tracking back to Farnhurst for Henry senior makes sense - but his baptism is a member submitted record so would need checking on the Farnhurst registers. I'm not so sure about the Henry Courtney and Hannah Cox marriage though - there are other children being born to a Henry Courtnage (no mother given as was common back then, I mean what have women got to do with having babies ?? ;D) in Farnhurst from 1720 so he maybe the father of John 1738, which is also a submitted record - again the registers need careful checking. This site
http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~hughwallis/
helps look at extracted IGI records by parish, but as with the Headley records they are minus those all important comments.
I can check the Farnhurst registers for you at some point if you aren't able to - let me know.
Hope you got some sleep :D
Best wishes
Jan ;)
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Hello Jan,
Just to saythank you again for sending me this web address. I've had visitors for dinner tonight so I haven't had time to look at anything. I've had a very harrowing few weeks with work lately and feel so tired.
Once I've had a look I will let you know.
Kind Regards
Lesley
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Hello Jan,
Just to update you. I have stripped the IGI now for Sussex, Surrey & Hampshire for all Courtneys/courtnages/courtneidges etc. I have also joined SFHS and tried to get a transcript of the birth/baptism/marriage & buriel register for Fernhurst and Midhurst from the Parish Transcription Society. That way I can browse through the registers. Unfortunately, Fernhurst does not appear to be finished yet as it is written in Latin so I am told. As far as my Henry is concerned of about 1763 ish - Son of John courtnage and Sarah Bridger. I believe John was baptised also in Fernhurst in about 1735 (repeating this from memory). This John, I believe his Father to have also been a Henry. Would you believe, there is a marriage for Henry Courtnage in about 1726 in Fernhurst, but according to the SFHS the wife is "blank".They suggested I wrote to the Sussex Records Office which I did over the weekend to ask them if they could check the actual parish register. My only suggestion of thought was whether the parish register showed any births to a henry & ? immediately post dating 1726 in order to find a possible name for his wife?
What do you think of that train of thought Jan?
Lesley
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Hi Lesley
I saw that Henry marriage with no spouse on the IGI - really weird ??? There are no baptisms showing in Fernhurst immediately after the marriage, the first one is Mary in 1732 but no mother shown - perhaps there were other children baptised elsewhere or the surname is spelt in a way that the IGI variations miss? I notice there are earlier Fernhurst baptisms with father Henry 1720 and 1723 - so the 1727 marriage could be a second one for Henry, which seems likely if he is the Henry baptised Midhurst 1695. Is that what you were thinking?
If the Fernhurst transcripts are much delayed I could go and check the originals for you if you like.
Jan ;)
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Hello Jan,
Yes that was my thinking. I have no idea when the Ferbhurst register will be completed, but it will prove a good source to see if there are any other Courtnages etc recorded on the register. When I looked on the SFHS web site I noted Sussex men who strayed into Surrey to be married. There was only one Cortney recorded(spelt this way) It was one Henry Cortney who hailed from Linchmere. I have no idea where that is. Anyway, he married Mary Nigh at St.Nicholas in Guildford on 1st October 1704. This can't be the one from Midhurst, because it comes from an earlier generation. However, he must have belonged to some family in Sussex in the first place! It is very difficult with children being baptised to a Father called Henry with the Mother's name missing. The gentleman from Headley John Owen Smith tells me this is very rare. I can't really comment because I do not have that social history knowledge. If you do find anything Jan, please let me know. In the meantime I will look again more carefully to see if I have missed something which is easily done when you have generation after generation using the same names. Also, without my having any access to Parish registers, I can't even look at potential deaths for anyone either to check on males becoming widdowers. How is the weather with you -its been raining cats and dogs in wales for the past week.
Kind Regards
Lesley
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Hi
Linchmere is only a few miles NW of Fernhurst, close to the Surrey border - there aren't any extracted records for it on the IGI.
Re the marriage with no spouse, it is not something I have ever come across at all. I shall have to pop along to the Records Office next week and have a look at the original entry just to see exactly what it says! I will see what else I can find as well.
Re the weather, we could do with some of your rain, we've only had the odd shower.
Jan ;)
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Hi there Jan,
It is very kind of you to offer to check that marriage. I did actually email the Sussex Record Office about it, but they have not come back to me as yet.
I have also had quite a lengthy correspondence with the PRTSociety and been able to separate a couple of Courtnage families in Farnhurst/Lurgashall.
There can be no doubt that there are 2 families with a John Courtnege as the head. The first family I have is John Courtnege as the Father of:
William 1744 appears in both Farnhurst & Lurgahsall registers
Elizabeth 1745 Farnhurst
Mary 1748 Farnhurst
Thomas 1749 Farnhurst
John 1759 Farnhurst
The Mother of these 5 does not appear.
My John Courtnage who married Sarah Bridger in 1755 in Farnhurst was one of 4 siblings, including himself as follows: His parents were Henry Courntey Courtnage & Hannah Courtnage.
Mary 1732 Farnhurst
Henry 1735 Farnhurst
John 1738 Farnhurst (who married Sarah Bridger)
Ann 1741
I think that stupid marriage entry for 2nd October 1727 with no wife mentioned is a very strong contender. I also think that this Henry and John Courtnege having the children named in family 1 are potential Brothers.
Now the strange thing is that the only marriage I can find for a Henry Courtney to a Hannah is found in London. There is a Henry Courtnage who married Hannah Cox on 8th January 1832 at St.Martin in the fields, Westminster, London. I am told by the Sussex Record Office that this was a very fashionable place to get married during this period of time.
Is it possible that John'sparents married here, moved into Farnhurst then had Mary 2 months later in 1732? I guess anything is possible.
The children born to my John Courtnage who married Sarah Bridger are:
Sara 1757 Farnhurst
Ann 1765 Farnhurst -she died: April 1766 aged 7 months
Henry 1768, baptised Hary (My x 5 GGGGGF) Farnhurst
Thomas 1755 Farnhurst
There is also a burial mentioned in the Farnhurst Register for Thomas on the 19th February 1775. No age is given and no parents mentioned. However, I do not believe this is Henrys Brother above as when Henry married Sarah Mitchell ,Thomas witnessed his marriage so it must be the Thomas born in 1749 to the other John Courtnege.
A lot of information to take in Jan, but if you put it on paper its much easier to read. I would love to be right, but more importantly, I want to be accurate.
Still miserable weather in Wales -haven't seen the sun in nearly two weeks now.
Regards, Lesley
Thomas 1755 Lurgashall
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Hi Lesley
It is all very complicated - I do wish families didn't all use the same names it would make it so much easier for us to get things straight ;D I think it all making sense though. I'm not sure that 1732 St Martin in the Fields marriage can be yours, as it is followed by baptisms Ann 1734, Henry 1735, Ann 1736 and Elizabeth 1738 all in St Martin in the Fields which doesn't seem to fit a move back to Fernhurst.
Jan ;)
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Hi Jan,
I agree with you about the births thereafter -I saw those baptisms too. I am not sure from what date backwards that the transcription society are working on in Fernhurst, and it could well be there are other courtnages using the church then. There appears to be a strong connection between Farnhurst as it was and Lurgashall. I am amazed to find a child baptised in both churches on the same day to the same Father! Did you know that from 1066 up to 1760 the only names given appear to be William, Henry Stephen, Richard, John Edward, James, Charles and George. Its the same with the females Elizabeth,Mary, Ann and Caroline - ordinary folks followed the royal names of the day. I am racking my brains now about other means of finding the same people. I am not prepared to give in - I must try harder. By the way, I did not hear back from the Sussex Record Officer about that 1720 marriage for Henry in Farnhurt, so if you do go next week for anything else, I would appreciate it if you could have a look for me. You never know what you might find hey?
Have a nice weekend Jan, looks like we have even more rain forecast.Yuk!!
Lesley
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Hi Lesley
I shall pop to the records office tomorrow and see what I can find
Jan ;)
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Hello Jan,
Just to say thank you so much. Very much appreciated.Good hunting!!
Lesley
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Hi Lesley
I've picked up a few bits and pieces - you may well have some, or even all of it, but felt it best to capture all Courtney etc entries that I saw :D
Fernhurst
First that marriage reads
Henry Cartnage & and that is it, it's like he got distracted while making the entry and forgot to complete it!
There is this burial
Hannah wife of Henry Cortnige Jun 18 1778
but none I could see for Henry
Also this burial
Thomas Cortnidge 25 Mar 1768
plus
Ann daughter of John Cortnadge April 27 1767
I couldn't see anything else but the registers are illegible in many places, I wish whoever is transcribing them the very best of luck.
I checked the Midhurst transcripts for you
Marriage
William Courtney to Ann Greenfield 19 Feb 1689
Burials
25 Jan 1671 Henry Corteney son of Henry
17 may 1673 Henry Cortney h of Catherine
Baptisms
9 Dec 1660 William Cortny s of Henry and Catherine
25 Jul 1663 John Courtney s of William and Katherine
25 Jul 1664 John Cortney s of William
24 Aug 1664 Catherine Cortney d of William and Catherine
4 Dec 1666 Henry Cortney s of Henry and Catherine
whether William and Henry are two different men both married to Catherines or one and the same known by two different names I have no idea ???
15 Apr 1695 Henry Courtney s of William and Ann
I then looked in the Linch transcripts when I should have been looking at Linchmere - will give you what I found and will do the right one another time
John Coartnag an Mary Cratar was mar'd on 30 Sep 1742
Thomas Courtnige and Eliz Lambard married Oct 1733
John son of John Cortenage by Elizabeth his wife baptised Feb 5 1786
Elizabeth lately wife of John Courtenage a pauper buried 7 march 1786
John late s of John Courtenage by Elizabeth late wife paupers buried April 1786
Hope some of this is of help
Regards
Jan ;)
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Hello Jan,
I have had a very quick look at this just now - its a bit late for me I've been working very late and am so tired. First of all, I want to say thank you for taking the time to look at this information, I really am very grateful.
Some other information has come into my possession today which may help in the quest with this family and I will explain what I have tomorrow to you.
Speak to you tomorrow Jan, and thank you again, you are very kind.
Lesley
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Good morning Jan,
Just a quick line before I leave for work. Would you have any objection to emailing me direct rather than through this site?
If you have no objection, please let me know so I can communicate with you and give youmy direct email address. Many thanks
Lesley
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Hi Lesley
I have sent you a personal message
Regards
Jan ;)
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Hi I too am researching the Courtnage Family tree, however my tree seems to be based around the Chertsey, Surrey area.
So far I have got back to William Frederick Courtnage, born 1881. His father was a William Courtnage, but I can not get hold of a birth certificate for him so do not know when or where he was born.
However, I suspect that William Frederick got his first name from his father and his middle name from his grandfather - this seems to be the normal practice.
So my train of thought has led me to suspect that the Frederick Courtnage mentioned on the below 1851 census, being 1yr old at the time, may well be the grandfather to my William Frederick.
This sort of adds up also as my William Courtnage was a farm labourer and agricultural labourers seem to run the the Courtnage tree you are looking into.
If you can offer any info or help that would be greatly appreciated.
Neil
Yes, perfect sense
1851
HO107 1596 248 12
Headley
Charles Coutnage 38 Ag lab
Lucy 43
Elizabeth 20
Sarah 18
Mary 17
Henry 10
Charles 7
Daniel 5
Ann 3
Frederick 1
all bn Headley
indexed Charles and Leacy Courtnace - but image although not the clearest, I am happy says Courtnage and Lucy.
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Hi Neil
Welcome to Rootschat :D
Lesley (cardiffbay) hasn't been around since August last year and Anna not since February this year but hopefully they will get an email saying they have a reply to this thread and come back
Jan ;)
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Hello Jan,
Long time since we last spoke. Are you still helping your friend? I have just picked up your note about Neil who is also researching the name. I would be pleased to help him if i can.
Lesley
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Hi Lesley
I've not heard from Anna since she was last on this thread. Have you made any more progress with your Cournage family?
Hopefully Neil will be back at some point
Jan ;)
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Hello Jan,
I am confident that I have the correct parentage for Henry Courtnage who married both Sarah Mitchell and then Charlotte Hounsome. I believe I made a mistake with the generations flowing from Henry Senior's Son, Henry who married Charlotte Trussler. Their last child Emily has a birth Certificate for 1839 and I was hopeful of finding Charlotte's maiden name for confirmation of the correct link. Unfortunately, I am unable to obtain it from either Surrey or Sussex record offices despite the birth being registered in Farnham, as neither offices can find it. I have also discovered that another family member tried to purchase it, from a typed transcript of the register. However, the original transcript of the register was written by hand and has been viewed so often it has had to be re-transcribed which left room for mistake on the copied entry. There is also the question of where does Charlotte Mooney come from? I am waiting for Liverpool to send me a copy and I am keeping my fingers crossed in anticipation. I sent for something else from Liverpool recently and three weeks down the line I still do not have it.
I will let you know once I am in receipt of it.
Many thanks
Lesley
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Sorry for the very long absence - all family research has been on hold this year as life has been steaming along and I've been running to keep up! (Also had to change email address due to hacking, so haven't been receiving notifications >:( )
It's been so long since I looked at any of this that I'll need to dig out all my notes again ; looking forward to sorting through and talking again soon.
Anna :)
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hi , my name is Bruce and Samuel singleton is my greatgrandad 7X there is a lot of information on www.lod.org.uk . my nan was Annie singleton hows dad was Samuel singleton born 1861 in chard somerset and end his life in banbury oxon . bruce field
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Hi Bruce
Welcome to Rootschat :D
Are you sure you've posted on the right thread? I can't see a mention of Samuel Singleton here - the only one showing on Rootschat is on the Lancashire look-up board. Your link doesn't lead anywhere useful so I'm rather puzzled ???
Jan ;)
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sorry i thought it was anna
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Hi Bruce
I've seen your other post on the Somerset board now, so understand you are trying to get in touch with Anna - hopefully she will get back to you here or on the Somerset board or now you have posted 3 times you can send a personal message to her if you like, just click on the green scroll under her name.
Regards
jan ;)
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Hi all,
My search for William Frederick Courtnage has caused no end of problems but finally I think I have cracked it for the following reasons;
His marriage certificate states;
Name = William Frederick Courtnage age age 28 making his DOB around 1881
Fathers name = William Courtnage - Deceased - Farm Labourer
His birth certificate states;
Name = Frederick William Courtnage - born 30th Mar 1877
Fathers name = William Courtnadge - Deceased - Farm Labourer
Now the dates dont exactly match up and the spelling of the surname is slightly different - however a William Cortnage born 1877 also appears in the Chertsey Poor Law Union records for the 1881 census, whos mother is listed as Emily. Emily also appears as his mother on the birth cert I have. So I am of the opinion I have now found the correct WF or FW Courtnage.
I also have a death cert for a William Frederick (was spealt Courtnadge but replaced with) Courtnage. Lived in a road called the Ponds in Weybridge but death cert district is Midhurst & Petworth. So again I think there are strong ties between my Courtnage tree and those of Sussex. I believe he was probably visiting family in the area as he dies in Whitehanger.
I think my tree goes something like this;
William Courtnage born approx 1770ish
James Courtnage born 1800
William Courtnage born 1826
Frederick William Courtnage born 1877
Frank Reginald Courtnage born 1919
Any thoughts on this are much appreciated.
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Hi, can anyone help me please.
My search on the Courtnage clan has taken many twists and turns but I still need some help on the following;
My 3rd times ggf James Courtnage b1802 - married Sarah Crawt b1800. But as of yet I have not been able to confirm if he had any sibblings. I am also confused as to whom his parents and grand parents where. Currently I have;
James b1802, his father John b1759, his father John b1726 - it has been suggested that James b1802 father was William and his gf was also William.
I am also confused about Daniel b1826 as I have his father as Henry b1806 - could it be that Daniels father is Henry b1798 and his mother was Charlotte Hounsome?
Any help is much appreciated.
Neil
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Hi again...I got my last message wrong;
I have a Daniel Courtnage b1826 - his father Henry b 1806, Henrys father born 1798, this is the bit I can not sort out.
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Hi Lesley can you help me on the Courtnage clan?
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Hi Neil
Welcome to Rootschat :D
Lesley and Anna seem to have missed your post in February but hopefully will pick up your today's posts and let you know whether they think you are connected to their families, which does seem likely to me.
I have to confess to being a wee bit confused as to who is who in your posts.
I take it you are working back from William Frederick is that right? and you believe his father to be William born 1826 and his grandfather is James born 1802 but then you are unclear yes?
Where were all these people born please and do you have them on any census other than 1881? And where does Daniel come in to it?
regards
Jan ;)
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Hi Jan, thanks for the response...sorry to the confusion, I'll try and be more specific.
I can confirm that William Frederick (Frederick William) Courtnage b1877 is my 2x GF,
his father is William b1826 in Worplesdon,
his father is James b1802 Leatherhead,
his father John b1759 Fernhurst, married Hannah Clifton,
his father is John b1726, married Sarah Bridger
So I just need to confirm that the above is correct and if there are any relatives earlier than 1726.
As for Daniel, he is not a direct blood line relative but I am trying to trace all male Courtnages to get a full picture and unearth any interesting stories.
So for Daniel I have;
Daniel b1826 Farnham
his father Henry b1806 or there abouts in Headley - his wife Charlotte Trussler
his father - well this is where I get a bit confused as there are a few potential matches that could be the one - its been suggested that his father was also a Henry
I also have a Henry Courtnage born 1798 in Leatherhead , parents John Courtnage and Hannah Clifton, I thought this may have been Henry b1806 father but obviously thats just impossible.
I do have other questions about other family members but I'll leave it at that for now.
Many thanks
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Hi Neil
I'll have a look at all this this evening or tomorrow and see if I can help at all
Jan ;)
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Hi there Jan,
It is very kind of you to offer to check that marriage. I did actually email the Sussex Record Office about it, but they have not come back to me as yet.
I have also had quite a lengthy correspondence with the PRTSociety and been able to separate a couple of Courtnage families in Farnhurst/Lurgashall.
There can be no doubt that there are 2 families with a John Courtnege as the head. The first family I have is John Courtnege as the Father of:
William 1744 appears in both Farnhurst & Lurgahsall registers
Elizabeth 1745 Farnhurst
Mary 1748 Farnhurst
Thomas 1749 Farnhurst
John 1759 Farnhurst
The Mother of these 5 does not appear.
My John Courtnage who married Sarah Bridger in 1755 in Farnhurst was one of 4 siblings, including himself as follows: His parents were Henry Courntey Courtnage & Hannah Courtnage.
Mary 1732 Farnhurst
Henry 1735 Farnhurst
John 1738 Farnhurst (who married Sarah Bridger)
Ann 1741
I think that stupid marriage entry for 2nd October 1727 with no wife mentioned is a very strong contender. I also think that this Henry and John Courtnege having the children named in family 1 are potential Brothers.
Now the strange thing is that the only marriage I can find for a Henry Courtney to a Hannah is found in London. There is a Henry Courtnage who married Hannah Cox on 8th January 1832 at St.Martin in the fields, Westminster, London. I am told by the Sussex Record Office that this was a very fashionable place to get married during this period of time.
Is it possible that John'sparents married here, moved into Farnhurst then had Mary 2 months later in 1732? I guess anything is possible.
The children born to my John Courtnage who married Sarah Bridger are:
Sara 1757 Farnhurst
Ann 1765 Farnhurst -she died: April 1766 aged 7 months
Henry 1768, baptised Hary (My x 5 GGGGGF) Farnhurst
Thomas 1755 Farnhurst
There is also a burial mentioned in the Farnhurst Register for Thomas on the 19th February 1775. No age is given and no parents mentioned. However, I do not believe this is Henrys Brother above as when Henry married Sarah Mitchell ,Thomas witnessed his marriage so it must be the Thomas born in 1749 to the other John Courtnege.
A lot of information to take in Jan, but if you put it on paper its much easier to read. I would love to be right, but more importantly, I want to be accurate.
Still miserable weather in Wales -haven't seen the sun in nearly two weeks now.
Regards, Lesley
Thomas 1755 Lurgashall
Hi Lesley, I too have linked to John Courtnage & Sarah Bridger. Now I dont have the children for them that you have listed but I do have a John Courtnage baptised 11 Nov 1759 born in Farnhurst, father listed as John, mother not listed. But it stands to reason that this John is also the son of John snr, being that he would also name his first son by his first name. What do you think?
Neil
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Hello Neil,
I hope I can help you back from Daniel Courtnage. Today the family spell their name Courtney. Daniel Courtnage was my husband's Greeat Great Grandfather.
Daniel married Francis Kewell. They had 11 children. Included in the 11 are a set of twins. Daniel may have been born in the latter part of 1825, but was batpised on the 15th January 1826 at Headley, in Hampshire. In 1881, one of Daniel's other children Henry was a serving Stoker on HMS "Jumma".
Daniel's parents were Henry Coutnage and Charotte Trussler. They married on 4th December 1824 at Frensham in Surrey.
Daniel was one of 6 known children.
Daniel's Father Henry was one of 7 known children; Charlotte, Sarah, Henry*, Harriet, Ann, Charles and Shadrack. Shadrack was the ultimate criminal and was sent to Tasmania on a prison ship where he ended up in what was then known as Van Diemans Land. I have a full history of him.
Henry's parents( Grandparents of Daniel) were Henry Courtngae and Sarah Mitchell. This Henry married twice. Sarah was his first wife who sadly died when little Shadrack was only 16 months old, leaving Henry with 7 children to care for. His Son Henry was only 13. Henry and Sarah married on the 19th June 1793 in Kridford, Sussex. Obviously, Henry simply could not manage and he re married two years later to Charlotte Hounsome on the 13th July 1816 at Bepton in Sussex.
Henry and Charlotte had 8 children together; Eliza, John, George, James, Daniel, Catharine, Caroline and Eleanor, sometimes known as Emily. Altogether he fathered some 15 children, so we have a situation where 1 children have the same Father, but different Mother's i.e. half siblings to each other.
Henry was 21 years the senior of Charlotte, and Henry died aged 87 years and is buried in Headly, Hampshire. He is recorded as having come from "Arford".
Twice married Henry was baptised on the 21st February 1768 in Farnhurst. His parents were John Courtnage and Sarah Bridger.They had 5 known children.
Sarah, John, Ann, Henry* and Thomas. John and Sarah married on 6th February 1755 in Farnhurst, Sussex- today known as Fernhurst.
John's parents were Henry Courtnage and Hannah (possibly Cliffton). Henry and Hannah had 6 known children; Elizbeth, Jane, Mary, Henry, John* and Ann.
Married circa 1720. The earliest recorded Henry Courtney I have, is for a baptism on 11th August 1593 in Richmond Surrey.
The Courtney family historically flow from the Earldom of Devon. A digression of the Families of Redvers and Courtenay.
The first Courtenay on record was "Atho" a French Knight, universally admitted to have been nameless origin, who built at castle in Courtenay, a small town in the Gatenoise, sixty miles from Paris, early in the eleventh century, and took his name from his residence. His elder Grandson, Milo, was certainly Lord of Courtenay whilst Josceline, the first Count of Edessa whose territory extended on both sides of the Euphrates river, was, as certainly, a younger Brother of the said Milo.
I have a huge history on the origins of the name and have a good collection of Census Returns back to 18411 and beyond that many church extractions concerning the main bloodline, of which my husband Leon is a direct descendent.
I hope this has been of some help to you Neil, and if I can help any further, I certainly will.
Kind Regards
Lesley
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Hi and many thanks for the info you have given. I am ever so slightly confused though.
You state that Henrys parents were John Courtnage and Sarah Bridger and then you state that Johns Parents were Henry Courtnage and Hannah Clifton. This is contradictory to the information I have gained. Unless I am totally mistaken the pedigree goes something like this;
Henry Courtnage married Hannah Cox - Henry was born sometime around 1700
His son was John Courtnage b1726 married Sarah Bridger married in 1755
His son was John Courtnage b1759 married Hannah Clifton married in 1786
Henry Courtnage born about 1700 had 6 children;
Elizabeth b1720
Jane 1723
Mary 1732
Henry 1735*
Ann 1741
John 1726**
Ann 1741
John Courtnage b 1759 had 9 Children;
William b1786
Sarah b1789
John b1791
Thomas b1794
Reuben b1796
Henry b1798*
James b1802**
Mary Ann b1804
Charles b1807
** relates to my direct bloodline
* these are the Henrys I am very confused about - which one is Daniels pedigree? Could you give me a break down as per above.
I have seen the details of Shadrach, so will definitely be looking into this.
I also have a potential link to the Romany Gypsy's at this time - will give more info on this when I can.
I am also waiting for info on my Grandfather -= Frank Courtnage - as he is potentially one of the first original members of the SAS and SBS - how much info I will get from the MOD is yet to be seen.
I will read you reply again later today just in-case my tiredness is leading me astray.
Regards
Neil
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Hi and many thanks for the info you have given. I am ever so slightly confused though.
You state that Henrys parents were John Courtnage and Sarah Bridger and then you state that Johns Parents were Henry Courtnage and Hannah Clifton. This is contradictory to the information I have gained. Unless I am totally mistaken the pedigree goes something like this;
Henry Courtnage married Hannah Cox - Henry was born sometime around 1700
His son was John Courtnage b1726 married Sarah Bridger married in 1755
His son was John Courtnage b1759 married Hannah Clifton married in 1786
Henry Courtnage born about 1700 had 6 children;
Elizabeth b1720
Jane 1723
Mary 1732
Henry 1735*
Ann 1741
John 1726**
Ann 1741
John Courtnage b 1759 had 9 Children;
William b1786
Sarah b1789
John b1791
Thomas b1794
Reuben b1796
Henry b1798*
James b1802**
Mary Ann b1804
Charles b1807
** relates to my direct bloodline
* these are the Henrys I am very confused about - which one is Daniels pedigree? Could you give me a break down as per above.
I have seen the details of Shadrach, so will definitely be looking into this.
I also have a potential link to the Romany Gypsy's at this time - will give more info on this when I can.
I am also waiting for info on my Grandfather -= Frank Courtnage - as he is potentially one of the first original members of the SAS and SBS - how much info I will get from the MOD is yet to be seen.
I will read you reply again later today just in-case my tiredness is leading me astray.
Regards
Neil
Knew I was tired as I got the pedigree wrong - I missed out that John Courtnage b1726 had approx 6 children;
Sarah b1757
John b1759*
Ann b1765
William b1744
Mary b1748
Thomas b1749**
This pedigree should have been between Henry b1700 and John b1759
* John is my bloodline
** Thomas has potential links to the Romany Gypsy's
Hope I havent confused anyone
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Neil
Do you have census entries for your family? If not I'll see if I can spot any of them - can be tricky due to multiple spellings.
Jan ;)
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Hi and many thanks for the info you have given. I am ever so slightly confused though.
You state that Henrys parents were John Courtnage and Sarah Bridger and then you state that Johns Parents were Henry Courtnage and Hannah Clifton. This is contradictory to the information I have gained. Unless I am totally mistaken the pedigree goes something like this;
Henry Courtnage married Hannah Cox - Henry was born sometime around 1700
His son was John Courtnage b1726 married Sarah Bridger married in 1755
His son was John Courtnage b1759 married Hannah Clifton married in 1786
Henry Courtnage born about 1700 had 6 children;
Elizabeth b1720
Jane 1723
Mary 1732
Henry 1735*
Ann 1741
John 1726**
Ann 1741
John Courtnage b 1759 had 9 Children;
William b1786
Sarah b1789
John b1791
Thomas b1794
Reuben b1796
Henry b1798*
James b1802**
Mary Ann b1804
Charles b1807
** relates to my direct bloodline
* these are the Henrys I am very confused about - which one is Daniels pedigree? Could you give me a break down as per above.
I have seen the details of Shadrach, so will definitely be looking into this.
I also have a potential link to the Romany Gypsy's at this time - will give more info on this when I can.
I am also waiting for info on my Grandfather -= Frank Courtnage - as he is potentially one of the first original members of the SAS and SBS - how much info I will get from the MOD is yet to be seen.
I will read you reply again later today just in-case my tiredness is leading me astray.
Regards
Neil
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Hello Neil,
I am off on holiday today, so cannot respond fully to your email.
However, I will look at the trees again from Daniel backwards.
I am quite confident that my research is correct, and of course, mistakes do happen and I value
the importance of accurate research.
From memory, one of reasons I am confident, is that one of the Henry's marriages was witnessed
by his Brother, and so this a strong link to the remainder of the family.
You are quite correct over the confusion of "too many Henry's".
If you look at the geography of the families, you will see that they float between
Surrey, Sussex and Hampshire and they are all near to where the borders cross over.,
and are definitely related to each other.
I have the original Church extractions for quite a few Courtney marriages which were very
helpful. Have your considered the Marriage between Henry Courtnage and Jane Pope in Petworth?
It may pay you to do a little research on the Cowdray Estate papers.
We have some Courtney connections to the estate. From memory I believe one married
Lord Cowdrays Daughter Martha.
I will come back to you as soon as I am abe.
Yours sincerely
Lesley
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Hi, I dont have any census reports for John Courtnage born 1759, died in 1831 but by doing some research on www.familysearch.org have been able to determine that this John is correct.
I have looked at all the mail baptisms in my tree and also some female ones too and am pretty sure I have the correct info. I am happy to send you an invite to look at my tree on ancestry.co.uk and you can then get back to me with any feed back.
Regards
Neil
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Hello Neil,
If you would like to me to look at your tree to make a comparison, I would be happy to.
However, as i explained yeterday, I am off on holiday today, and will look at it when I get back.
Have you collated any authority to authenticate your research at all?
Speak soon.
Lesley
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Hi everyone,
I have started researching my family's tree, prompted by my uncle. We are descendants of Daniel Courtnage, and I have been following the discussion on this thread with a lot of interest. I wonder if I can ask what is the latest information anyone has about the question of Daniel's grandparents? If anyone out there is related to Daniel, I'm part of the Courtenage strand (that's how we spell it now).
Thanks
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Hello Neil,
If you would like to me to look at your tree to make a comparison, I would be happy to.
However, as i explained yeterday, I am off on holiday today, and will look at it when I get back.
Have you collated any authority to authenticate your research at all?
Speak soon.
Lesley
Hi Lesley
If you are still about and still willing to have a look at my tree I would really appreciate you help. I can provide a direct link to it on ancestry for you. I would just need you email address to add you.
Regards
Neil
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Hi, I am researching my Courtnage clan, based in and around Farnhusrt is the 1700's. I've got back as far as John Courtnage b1726 who married Sarah Bridger. I believe Johns father was Henry Courtnage pos
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Hello Neil
I'm afraid Lesley has been back on Rootschat since 28 April 2012.
Jan :)
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Hello Neil,
I have just checked Leslie's settings and the notifications are still working ok hopefully she will be notified of your reply.
Regards
Sarah :)
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Hi. I've literally just came across this chat. I've also just started looking into my tree as I'm a Courtnage. I'm from the Headley part of this. I've been looking at it for a few days and I'm already obsessed. It looks like this thread is slightly different to mine but I suspect there will be something somewhere.