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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Norfolk => Topic started by: chopper1960 on Wednesday 05 May 04 11:05 BST (UK)
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Hi my surname interests for norfolk are Blatch & Jary
James William Blatch from Westminster married Violet Jary from Kings Lynn
Anybody else researching these names ? :)
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Hi
One of our Rootschatters is having some problems with her Blatch family,
I saw your post and wondered if maybe you can help her out . It seems you both have a James William Blatch connection.
If you click on this link you will see the problem.
http://www.rootschat.co.uk/forum/index.php?board=36;action=display;threadid=4255;start=msg10494#msg10494
regards
peterbennett
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Hello,
I am interested in the Jary line. I have a Robert A. Jary who was married in Kings Lynn. But I'm having trouble going back any further on his side. Someone told me his father was named "Peter." Does this ring any bells? ???
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Hi
Can you give us any more imformation i.e. age, wifes name and how far back have you got.
peterbennett
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New to this group. Not sure if you are addressing me, Nor_Fam.
Robert A. Jary married Eliza Parfrey (f: Richard / m: Penelope Powley) 26 Feb 1843. I can go back to the Whitby name (Penelope's mother) through Eliza, but can get nothing on Robert, who came to America and settled in Nebraska.
Regards
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I have a William Jary (birth date unknown) who married Sarah Cubitt on 26 May 1778 at Catfield, Norfolk and a Bridgett Jary (b. Burlingham 1772; d.1849 Sidestrand) who married John Cubitt in 1799 at South Walsham, Norfolk. I do not know if these Jary's are related. John Cubitt was Sarah Cubitt's nephew.
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I have a Rebeckah Jary b 17/7/1736 @ Paston d 12/1/1820 @ Langham, Norfolk b 14/1/1820 $ Stifkey, Norfolk.
If you find a connection, would love to hear from you.
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Richard PARFREY m. Ann Bocking --->
Richard PRFREY (Holme Hale) m. Penelope POWLEY --->
Children:
Benjamin Richard PARFREY, Holme Hale, Corn Miller,
Edward PARFREY,
Robert PARFREY, and
Elizabeth PARFREY.
Benjamin Richard PARFREY, Holme Hale, Corn Miller, m. unknown spouse--->
Children:
Robert PARFREY,
Edward PARFREY, and
Emily Elizabeth PARFREY.
Emily Elizabeth PARFREY m. 24Jan1856, Swaffham, George John CLAXTON--->
Children:
Edward William Parfrey CLAXTON, b. 15JUN1857, Whiten, Norfolk, EA, England, Slater, 1881 census: 4 Plantation St., Newchurch, Lancashire, England,
Emily Helen CLAXTON, and
3 other unknown children.
The brother of George John CLAXTON is Edward James ("Ted") CLAXTON.
I am unsure if this fits your needs, but I may. . . ::)
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Hello!
Those are our Parfreys all right! Glad to find a new name or two in the bunch. I'd like to find out more on the _background_ for Richard PARFREY, who married Ann BOCKING? Or any on Miss BOCKING? I have that he died in 1803 and she in 1800.
The Norfolk Transcription Archive has records for Holme Hale back to 1758, which is just after the births of the people I'm looking for. But I know that Eliza PARFREY (dau of Richard and Penelope, in your note) married _Robert JARY_ in Kings Lynn 26.Feb.1843; his past is also obscured. His grave marker (in Nebraska, USA) says his birthdate was 12.May.1820, and his marriage license says he was born in England, as was his father (Peter). I'd really like to find out more about him. Someday when I'm able to extend my search into Subscription waters, I may have better success. BTW, Richard and Penelope had 8 more children. Thanks for filling in a few of the blanks.
Regards,
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Just a thought bur Jary seems to be spelt Jeary in some areas. I have had problems in the past with the spelling.
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Hello, I am new here.
I have JARY'S from Ashill and would love to hear with anyone having the same.
Kynyaf
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"kynyaf",
It would be nice if your JARYs were related to mine, who are presumably from the Swaffham area as well. Unfortunately, my Robert JARY (son of Peter) seems to be a man without a past, and none of the other names in your search interest appear to be relevant to our line. However, there is always hope, so if you can match Robert JARY (b.12 May 1820) or Peter JARY, his father (b.unknown), I would be eternally grateful. Both are said to have been born in "England" but I can find nothing in Norfolk as yet, although Robert was married in Kings Lynn St. Margaret.
Regards, Nor_Fam
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I came across a William Jary in the 1851 census - b. South Walsham, aged 82, Justice of the peace employing 56 men with 810 acres. His wife was called Mary, b. Burlingham, aged 70.
I believe he lived in Burlingham House (now a home for the mentally handicapped) and that my ancestors - Joseph Marjoram and his son John - were his gardeners.
I can't find Joseph on the 1841 census though - or Burlingham for that matter. Any ideas?
I also found this mention of the Jary's in a transcription of a divorce case - It's intriguing reading but I can't quite work out what happened...
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.asp?compid=16314
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I have a James JARY Pentney, b Q1 1839, Lynn, Norfolk, son of Peter Pentney (b abt 1808 East Dereham) and Mary Ann ?? (b abt 1812 Cley next the Sea).
Any ideas whether Mary Ann was a JARY?
If not, is there any known connection between JARY and PENTNEY?
Sherwood.
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Hello,
What an intriguing suggestion that JARY may be connected with PENTNEY.
I cannot find a Peter Pentney born 1808 in East Dereham, but I see one birth registered 1807 in Elmham North, Mitford/Laund. In Nfk Transcription Archive, he is listed as the son of Abel and Mary Pentney. In 1861 (Kings Lynn), he is married to a Mary Ann, who was b. c1812 in Cley Next The Sea, and they have children Sarah, John, George, Eliza & Emma, ranging in ages from 27 to 5 - No James. However, that same year, 22-yr-old James Jary Pentney is listed as Nephew to John Pentney, age 63. James gave his birthplace as Lynn and was then living in Brinton, Nfk.
I don't know Mary Ann's maiden name, unfortunately. And, I also know absolutely nothing about our Robert Jary, not even his real name. It has been suggested in family papers that his name was du Jareau, and he was French. Later I was told he was born in England and his father, whose name on his birth certificate was "Peter," was also born in England.
I will look into this further. Thank you for opening another door in this mystery.
Nor_Fam
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Hi
from the Norfolk marriage index
Peter Pentenny married Mary Ann Jary on 19 July 1832 at Wells
regards
yokel
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Thank You!
That is a big help! What an interesting lead.
Regards,
Nor_Fam
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Hi Nor_Fam and The Yokel,
Brilliant, Peter PENTNEY/PENTENNY m Mary Ann JARY confirms my suspicion as to where James JARY PENTNEY got his middle name. Looks like Peter and Mary Ann were my GGG Grandparents.
As for my previous research, I don't know where I got East Dereham from as Peter PENTNEY's birthplace; probably my erroneous transcription. Looking at 1861 Census he was born North Elmham, concurring with the information you have supplied, thank you.
I had also found James JARY PENTNEY as the nephew of John PENTNEY in 1861 so went searching for his immediate family.
At present, I conclude that Abel and Mary (thank you for their names) PENTNEY had at least two sons, John (b abt 1799 Beetly) and Peter (b 1807 North Elmham).
John's wife was Rosetta (b abt 1812 Gressenhall) and their children were Mary (b abt 1839), Henry (b abt 1841), Emma (b abt 1844), Eliza (b abt 1846) and John (b abt 1849).
Peter's wife was Mary Ann JARY (b abt 1812 Cley by the Sea) and their children were Sarah (b abt 1834), William (b abt 1835), James JARY PENTNEY (b Q1 1839), John (b abt 1843), Mary Ann (b abt 1846), George (b abt 1848), Eliza (b abt 1850) and Emma (b abt 1856).
First born in 1834 fits nicely with their marriage of 19 July 1832.
Would the marriage in Wells be Wells Next The Sea? (about 9 miles West of Cley Next The Sea where Mary Ann was born).
Sherwood
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yep
Wells is Wells next to sea
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Congratulations Sherwood - you've found GGG-grandparents and GGGG-grandparents! A few tidbits you may have discovered already, but, just in case:
1. Abel Pentney married Marry Thurston in No. Elmham. Two dates are given in IGI: 7 Apr 1797 and 22 Apr 1797
2. John Pentney married Rosetta Barwick in No. Elmham, 29 Jun 1837 (BMD).
3. John possibly died Q1 1877, Walsingham
4. Looks as if, in 1881, James J. Pentney was married to Lydia, b. abt 1841, Kent. Their children were Eliza (age 11), George (age 8) and William (age 10mo.) Eliza and Geo. were born in Peterboro, Northamton, and William in Carlton, Nottingham, where the census took place. (James was born in Lynn Nfk)
5. Children of Abel and Mary:
- Mary, ch 27 Oct 1801, No. Elmham
Lydia, b. abt 1803, No. Elmham
Peter, ch 28 Sep 1807, No. Elmham
Frances (f), ch 1 Nov 1809, No. Elmham
Philip, ch 26 Mar 1813, No. Elmham
William, ch 11 Jul 1816, No. Elmham
James, ch 25 May 1818, No. Elmham
(From IGI, and Norfolk Transcription Archive)
Too bad there's not more on Jarys..... :)
Regards, Nor_Fam
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Sorry, that's "George, age 8" not George the Cool. It messed up a bit because I submitted after The Yokel made a reply, and I got a red message.
Regards,
Nor_Fam
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Nor_Fam,
Thank you for the extra information. I had seen the 1881 Census but the Christenings and marriages were all new to me. Got all those names and dates in Legacy now.
Regarding the two dates for Abel's marriage in IGI - 7th April as Abel, 22nd April as Able.
Was there any reference to birth/Christening of Abel's eldest son John PENTNEY, b abt 1898/99? I've got him as a Tallow Chandler, 52 in 1851 Census and 63 in 1861 Census, both say born Beetly (sic). Beetley is about 3 miles south of North Elmham.
I'm not sure about Lydia being daur of Abel and Mary. I found the other siblings in IGI showing parents as Abel and Mary but not Lydia. She's the only one you found as a 'born about' rather than a Christening so I wondered where you sourced her. I did find a Lydia in IGI, born about 1813, North Elmham (not 1803) with husband James Wiseman and 6 children.
Regards, Sherwood.
BTW, you can modify your posts if you need to amend typos or add/remove info.
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Sherwood,
Glad you could use the info.
I didn't find anything for John's birth. I know he exists because he's in the censuses. I'm beginning to think that he may have been James Jary's uncle from another Pentney - such as a brother of Abel or something. It is strange that he was born Beetly when all the others were No. Elmham.
Lydia, who was christened 1803 was listed in the Norfolk Transcription Archive, not in the IGI. I thought it was strange because I had seen the name Lydia as James's wife in one census before seeing that name in the Archive.
The Archive had Mary of 1801 as "Mary POUNTNEY"
There are two burials listed in the Archive: one for William 1818 age 18mo; one for Mary in 1807 listed as "Infant". Both were Elmham North.
An interesting thing is that there was an Abel born about 1800 and it appears that he may also be a son of Abel and Mary. You can follow him through the censuses from 1841-1871, then there is a BMD for his death in 1874. He was a Licensed Hawker and never married, but his birth was the right place at the right time. And with the name Abel....
Do you know if Peter Pentney remarried between 1861 and 1881? In 61 he's listed with Mary Ann; in 81, there's a Peter of same age and birthplace married to Elizabeth. The census was "No. Wootton."
Regards,
Nor_Fam
(BTW, I tried to "modify" but it gave me an error, saying I should logout and log back in. Maybe it's my browser... and ... I misspelled Mary as Marry. Sorry.)
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Nor_Fam,
Thanks again. I hadn't realised that Peter PENTNEY had remarried until you pointed this out. Further research has revealed:
Q4 1879 Peter PENTNEY m Elizabeth SHIPP, Kings Lynn
Elizabeth's first marriage was:
Q4 1849 Elizabeth BUXTON m Creak SHIPP, Freebridge, Lynn
Creak SHIPP is another case of recycling mother's name. His parents were Edmund SHIPP and Elizabeth CREAK.
Sherwood.
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Strange website. Just lost all that I'd typed...
New to this.
Eliza Pentney married John Green and lived in Nottingham.
Eliza's parents were indeed Peter Pentney and Mary Ann Jary.
Peter's parents were Abel and Mary (Thurston).
Strange coincidence, but backing up John Greens ancestry, in Norfolk, mainly around Hassingham, Beighton, Hockwold and Buckenham Ferry and latterly Kings Lynn, Back in 1749 a Mary Thurston aged 25, married John Green aged 22, 24th October 1749
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Hi Sherwood,
I am looking at Burton Family in Norfolk. In searching for one Peter Burton I came a cross a death for a child in Langham, Norfolk on the 17th October 1810. Mother Elizabeth Pentney, The child was Ann Burton aged 9yrs, Peter's daughter. The Transcripts also say "See Baptisms page 2" : but I cannot find that.
It's in the Norfolk, England, Transcriptions of Church of England Baptism, Marriage and Burial Registers, 1600-1935 Archdeacon Transcripts 1600-1812 -Langham.
Just posting as it may be of interest.
Kind regards Essnell
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The Transcripts also say "See Baptisms page 2" : but I cannot find that.
It's page 2 of Langham baptisms 1801-1812
Here on Family Search:- http://www.rootschat.com/links/01pgx/
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Hi the Yokel,
Thank you to the Yokel for the link to the little girl's baptism page, much appreciated.
Hope it helps some else here too.
Essnell