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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Derbyshire => Topic started by: alijet on Thursday 17 September 09 08:44 BST (UK)
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Hi there,
I am looking for information relating to John Hakesley.
He was born c1824 in Whaley Bridge, Derbyshire. I have him in the 1841 census as Hekesley. It shows his father as Henry and his mother as Hannah. Does anyone know when he was actually born and where/if baptised. Was he a Hekesley changing his name to Hakesley or is it a spelling mistake on the 1841 census?
Regards
Alison
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I wouldnt take any notice of one letter's difference in spelling. In a era when many were illiterate accurate spelling of names was not so significant as it is nowadays. I am sure you will find many more variations of the name as you research further.
Have you got him on later censuses with parents Henry and Hannah? I say that because relationships are not given on 1841, so it could be wrong to assume they are his parents just because he is living in their household.
IGI has 2 christenings of a similar name in Derbyshire within a few years, but not Whaley Bridge, and not parents Henry and Hannah.
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Hi,
Unfortunately I don't. I have his marriage in 1851 to Maria Baron. He then disappears until his death in 1867. I know he had at least 1 son and his name was Henry my great grandfather, who said he was born Clayton, Manchester, but no birth registration for him. I have traced my paternal ancestors back too mid 1600's, but getting nowhere fast with maternal side. I have ordered Johns marriage cert, so I can get a few more details but was hoping something may turn up in the forum. One never knows ones luck in a raffle
A
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Where did John's place and year of birth come from then?
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Hi. So this is the 1841
Clayton, Audenshaw, Manchester
John Hekesley 55 ag la y
Hannah ditto 55 y
John ditto 14 cotton weaver 14 y
Elizabeth ditto 12 emp cotton factory y
Hannah ditto 10 ditto y
Thomas ditto 8 y
George ditto 6 y
Joseph ditto 2 y
(The name could be Hakesley actually)
This could be some of them in 1851
Droylesdon
John Hakesley head w 68 general lab Warwickshire, Wottenberry??
Hannah Stepford dau m 23 cotton winder Cheshire, Werneth
Joseph ditto son in law 23 carter Lancs, Droylesdon
George Hakesley son unm 18 lab at chemical works Lancs, Bradford
Abram Stepford gson ?2 Lancs, Droylesdon
HO107 piece 2234, folio 152, page 25
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And also in Droylesdon in 1851
Thomas Hakesley lodger unm 20 gen lab Lancs, Clayton
living with Samuel and Mary Whiteley and family. Mary aged 32 born Audenshaw
:-[ :-[sorry. Just realised you said his father was Henry. Please ignore me as I crawl into a hole :-X
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Hi again,
Thank you, yes I agree John Hakesley, Droylesden is John Juniors father. I have actually researched all his children hoping for a link to my direct ancestor with no luck. Thomas is I think John seniors father. Whilst you were kindly hunting for him, you didn't see any clues to follow did you. Sometimes the second set of eyes are better than the first. It seems really crazy that I have been able to follow this family but can find virtually no trace of John junior. I calculated his birth from the 1841 census, I can't remember how I came to him being born in Whaley Bridge try to document everything but obviously missed this vital piece of info.
Regards
Alison
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Can we rewind and start again?
Is this the John we are looking for - ie the one found in 1841 in Manchester who was 14 (1827ish birth) and apparently had parents John and Hannah?
Or is it a different one - ie 1824ish birth, Derbyshire, and parents Henry and Hannah?
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John 1827
Father John, later living in Droylesden. Mother Hannah. I have brothers and sisters.
Thomas Hakesley just found out is grandfather to John senior
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Hi. Such a hard name what with all the variations.
Which census do you have young Henry in? Could we work back from that?
Is it possible that they shortened the name so we should be looking for some other name? I've had trouble with some people called Walloxall who tended to change their name to Hall in more recent times :)
So if you have Henry for sure with age and birthplace perhaps we could look for him? Or trace Maria back?
Can't wait for the marriage cert!
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Hi there, yes I have Henry with my great grandmother Hannah Owen in the 1891 census onwards. But neither John Junior Hakesley or Henry seem to appear on any census's prior to 1891. Maria is on the 1851 census as a 'milliner' in Southport with an illegitanete child William. I can find neither William nor Maria in any later census's. I think I will have to wait for the MC to arrive, then try this again as a new posting. Thank you anyway, for all help to date. Watch this space!!
Regards
Alison
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I am currently researching my Hakesleys. I also have John Hakesley marrying Maria Baron.
I have the family in 1901 and 1911, but can't trace their addresses prior yet. Johns father was James? I have his marriage and children's baptisms....
Lianne