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England (Counties as in 1851-1901) => England => Westmorland => Topic started by: bgor on Saturday 19 September 09 13:17 BST (UK)
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Through researching the Dent family I have come up with a William Dent Esq who donated to the building of the church in Crosby Ravensworth in 1810 and a William Dent Esq residing at Brickendonbury Hertfordshire, and listed on the United Company of Merchants of England, Trading to the East Indies list in 1815.
I have also come across another William Dent Esq, also on this list and residing at Battersea Rise, Surrey, and a William Dent Esq of London married in 1800/1801 and registered in Lancaster.
Does anyone know if any of these people are the same person. I think the first two may be one and the same, and the second two the other.
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Hi bgor,
According to the 1818 Poll of the Knights of the Shire, there was a William Dent owning property in Crosby Ravensworth but living in Wandsworth.
In 1826 there is a Robert Dent owning property in Mauld Meaburn but living in London.
Regards,
Gillian
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Thank you Gillian,
It looks like Wandsworth may have been Surrey once, or at least Battersea Rise could have been in both Boroughs. The Boroughs seem to have changed quite a bit over time, blending in and out of each other.
So the William of Crosby Ravensworth may also have been the William of Surrey and the one listed in the Lancashire register, but is probably not the one at Brickendonbury as they are both listed with the United company of Merchants of England. I think the William of Brickendonbury may be from Yorkshire or Durham.
There is also a John Dent Esq of Temple Bar listed in Lancashire. Perhaps related?
Could you tell me if the Poll of the Knights of the Shire gives any information on spouses or children for William Dent Esq?
Regards
Bronwyn
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Hi Browyn,
It only gives names of freeholders who were eligible to vote I'm afraid, no info about family members.
Regards,
Gillian
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Hi,
The Dents of Crosby Ravensworth and Maulds meaburn are the same, they were and still are huge land owners and had built a mansion called Flass, at Maulds Meaburn. The church in C/R has a chapel dedicated to them and their own tomb beneath. There is an archives now in Crosby where you will be able to make an appointment and access your family tree.
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Thank you Gillian and "Rumba",
I hope to bring our family to the UK for a year some time down the track (6 years or so away yet), maybe I will be able to organise something like that then. In the meantime I guess I will keep turning pages and pressing keys. It is so wonderful to have online resources at hand like this.
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Dear Bgor, I can help and am very curious to know your connections with the family (my family). William Dent of Battersea Rise (also described as Bolingbroke Grove, Wandsworth Common, an East India Merchant) London (1740-1823) was the younger son of John Dent of Flass, Maulds Meaburn in the parish of Crosby Ravensworth, Westmorland. He paid for a large chunk of teh early 19th Century restoration of Crosby Ravensworth church. So far as I know, William Dent of Wandsworth never married so I don't think the Lancaster marriage is connected, though I could be wrong. He had an "adopted" (aka illegitimate I think) daughter Mary, who inherited the house in Wandsworth and lived to the age of 97 (died 1867). [Wandsworth is now part of London south of the Thames, but was at the time technically in Surrey. WD worked in London, so may be referred to as of London or of Surrey.]
WD of BR's brother Robert Dent (1731-1805, his neighbour on Wandsworth Common [Dents Road in Wandsworth is built over part of their grounds], senior partner in Child's & Co bank of Temple Bar, No. 1 Fleet Street, London) was the father of John Dent MP (1761-1826), also a partner in Child's & Co bank of Temple Bar [MP for Lancaster, where he bought an estate, and later for Poole].
William Dent of Brickendonbury, Hertfordshire (1761-1833, previously of Tumlak, Bengal and later of Grange Court, Chigwell, Essex) was a cousin of theirs, a son of Rev John Dent of Ainderby Steeple, Yorkshire, son of Rev Robert Dent of North Otterington, Yorkshire (the brother of John Dent of Flass).
I am descended from the elder brother of John Dent of Flass (William Dent of Trainlands, Maulds Meaburn 1684-1766) [as well in fact as from JD of F's daughter Mary Wilkinson nee Dent (1726-1812) - there were several intermarriages]. My parents still have a house in Maulds Meaburn and we are up there regularly [I am repeating the family tradition by living in London!].
I am very curious to know what your link or interest with the Dents is?
Kind regards
Nick (Dent)
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Hi Nick,
How nice to hear from you.
It has been a while since I looked at the Dents of Mauld's Meaburn. I managed to track down a family tree on ancestry.co.uk which traced most of the family, but not your line, or that of John Dent MP. I have since moved on to the Digby Dents, but still finding it hard to pin down my great great great Grandfather, William Owen Kitchener Dent.
WOK Dent had above deck passage to South Australia in 1839 on the "John". This included his wife and 6 children. He worked as a labourer for about 12 years (as most settlers did for this colony), then moved from Yankalilla to the new town of Port Elliot, where he worked for a time as an Engineer, and later owned a business. My great great grandfather, Thomas Agen Dent, was his first child born in South Australia. He became the "Hero of Pt Elliot" after a rather dashing sea rescue in 1860. He became a grazier between about 1880 and his death in 1919. My mother was a grand daughter of his daughter Mary Anne Naomi Dent, but gained some valuable oral history from Thomas' son Agen Cormack Dent who lived to be almost 100 years old.
Cheers
Bronwyn
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Hi Bronwyn,
I'm very new to this, new to family history research, and new to forums, in fact this is my very first post on any forum anywhere.
I believe we are related. My grandmother was Mary Kathleen Annie buck, daughter of Mary Ann Naomi dent.
I have been getting as much info as I can online, and in the local area, My Mum was born and raised in Port Elliot. I was born in Adelaide but have just moved with my wife and kids, to the South Coast, having bought land at Middleton, 5 minutes drive from Port Elliot, where we are planning to build our home.
This of course has sparked great interest in my roots, as it seems the family line goes back some six generations in the area. I am keen to gather as much info as I can, and have been gleaning as much as I can from my Mum who now lives in Melbourne. Her mind is not as sharp as it was, but I'm still amazed at what she remembers of her childhood and the relatives she knew.
I have visited some sites in the area, including the old Dent home ruin, a rotting old bridge named 'Stewart Bridge' named after a Stewart Dent, the old Burgar home 'Cliffside', and the grave of William Owen Kitchener Dent and other Dents at the Currency Creek Cemetery.
I don't want to burden you with my request but would love to know what you've learned of the family tree.
Regards,
Stephen
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Hi Stephen,
Have attached my website to this account (look in column on left).
(Does the name "Bronny" ring a bell) ;)
Cheers
Bronwyn
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Hi Nick,
You might like to have a look at my website as well. It was the South Australia Company which first prompted my idea to look amongst the merchant Dents for possible links, which, along with a record of a contribution to the Crosby-Ravensworth church, brought me to Sir William Dent Esq.
I don't think we are related to your branch, but there is always a chance. The lines I traced from Mauld's Meaburn all seemed to die out. I would really like to find the other lines, although I believe Anthony Dent moved to the US. It would be your line and John Dent MP that may yield fruit, if any.
Cheers
Bronwyn
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Hi there Bronny! , yes the penny did drop, after posting my comment I had a good look at your other posts and realised it must be you, or another first cousin named Bronwyn....
Was thinking when I last saw you, must be about 20 years ago I reckon?? At the Grenfell property. Have a photo of our families having a picnic in the bush.
Checked out your website, you've done quite a bit of work!! and still going I'm sure.
It's amazing to me how many little rabbit trails can lead off when researching family history, and all very interesting to follow, but lots of trails seem to quickly reach a 'dead end'.
It seems both sides of my family crossed paths in this region in the mid 1800's, my dad's mum was a Henderson, and the family took the same route as the Dents from Adelaide, to Yankalilla, to the South Coast of the Fleurieu, at around the same time, although some of the Hendersons ended up in Victoria, where my Dad's from.
Another freaky thing was to find that my wifes ancestors came to Australia on the same ship, the 'Joseph rowan', as our Burgar clan!!, on the same trip!!
Hope you're doing well, would like to know more of what you've been up to the last 20 years,
If you ever want to contact me, my email is
Stephen
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Hi Bronwyn,
Was William Owen Dents Wife Eleanor?
FreeREG has this Extracted Marriage;
William DENT, Bachelor of Foleshill
Eleanor BEASLEY, Spinster of Foleshill
10 October 1831, St Lawrence, Foleshill, Warwickshire
Witnesses;
Joseph DAVIS
Sussannah TOWNSEND
Trish :)
EDIT;
OOPS I see you have that from your Website!
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Thank you Trish,
I did have some of the information, but I didn't have the witnesses' names, so you have helped me out. Joseph Davis may have been Eleanor's grandfather, or a cousin or uncle, and Susannah would probably be her sister, or perhaps her mother if she had remarried. Eleanor's father died quite young, but I haven't been able to find his death record yet.
Regards
Bronwyn
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Hi Stephen,
Will email you. Have lots to ask you and catch up on.
Bron
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Flass,
Since it seems like you figured out how the William Dents match up, is there any chance that you can tell me which one married Louisa Blunt (md abt 1786), dau of Sir Charles Wm Blunt? I'd like to be able to match him to the appropriate directory listings for residential/occupational purposes.
In case you are wondering, I'm not related to the Dents, but their family figures into the research for my PhD.
Cheers!
Historyn
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Hi Historyn,
This may be a little help;
Louisa BLUNT was the daughter of Sir Charles William Blunt, 3rd Bt. and Elizabeth PEERS.
She married William DENT. She died on 9 March 1833.
William Dent lived at Brickendonbury, Hertfordshire, England.
(Source www.thepeerage.com)
Trish :)
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Trish,
Thanks for your quick reply! Unfortunately, that's about as far as I'd gotten, too; at this point, I'm trying to determine if that Wm Dent is one of the WDs listed in the 18th century directories at Battersea Rise, Wandsworth Common, Clapham, or other London-area addresses, or they are all one in the same. I'm particularly interested to learn if he is simply a "gentleman" and landowner, or merchant and landowner; if the latter, then what he dealt in.
Cheers,
Kathy
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Hello,
I have just stumbled on this posting. I am the 4 times great granddaughter of William Dent of Brickendonbury and his wife Louisa Blunt. William was originally descended from the Crosby Ravensworth family of Dents, although his line moved to Yorkshire. There were many children but only the first born daughter, Sophia Louisa, had issue. She married her father's first cousin Rev. William Dent of Crosby Cote near Northallerton. By 1942, after many family deaths without issue, the only descendants of the Brickendonbury family, as far as I know, were my grandmother and her 3 sons. From their 7 children the descendants are now spreading out once more.
Judith
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Judith,
Thanks SO much for your response! Would you be willing to share some basic information with me about your ancestors? I'm particularly interested to know what Wm Dent (b 1761) had as an occupation (if other than gentleman), and anything about the occupations of your 18th century family members. I'd also be interested in any family traditions regarding why so many of the women remained unmarried.
So you know, I'm not related to the Dents or their kin, but the family figures into the research I'm doing for my PhD, a project that looks at kinship and economic networks of families associated with a catholic school in York. Please feel free to contact me directly since much of this probably doesn't relate to most topics.
Regards,
Kathy
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Hi Nick,
I have been going over my notes again and wondered if you could tell me what happened to William Dent, b. 24 Jan 1798, son of William Dent and Jane Wilkinson. Some family trees have his death in 1877, but there is no other information. Would you have any other information on him?
Many thanks
Bronwyn
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Hello All,
I am new to this forum, but hope that I am on the right track.
Can anyone help me, please?
I have John Dent born c.1803 at Soulby and living in 1881 when the census lists him as a "Landowner". He married Mary Slee on 25th August 1835 and they had a son also called John who was living at Grassgill Cottage with his parents in 1881.
Do the above fit in with this family and if so, how?
Many thanks,
Caspar
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I was wondering if a connection from the Dent line could be linked to me through my Hedley and or Kerr lineage, because in some note's i was given mention's that i am a Descendant to a William Dent Esquire.
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Have now become aware that this may be part of my F/T. My Robert DENT (my 9th G GF) m ??? in ??? & had a d Elizabeth who died ~ 1673 after m Wm Garnett in 1739.
I did notice in another forum there was a Dent family living in Essendon, Vic, Australia which is where I live.
Welcome any help to 1 in the colonies!!
;)
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I would very much like to get in touch with the person 'Nick (Dent)' who posted the message quoted below.
I am trying to figure out the inter-marriages of the DENT-Wilkinson families. Specifically, if there is a blood relationship between Mary DENT (1726-1812) and William DENT (1762-1801) who marries Jane WILKINSON (1765-1820) daughter of the aforementioned Mary DENT(1726-1812).
I am also descended from Mary Wilkinson nee Dent (1726-1812).
Thank-you for any suggestions!
Judie Rawlin
Dear Bgor, I can help and am very curious to know your connections with the family (my family). William Dent of Battersea Rise (also described as Bolingbroke Grove, Wandsworth Common, an East India Merchant) London (1740-1823) was the younger son of John Dent of Flass, Maulds Meaburn in the parish of Crosby Ravensworth, Westmorland. He paid for a large chunk of teh early 19th Century restoration of Crosby Ravensworth church. So far as I know, William Dent of Wandsworth never married so I don't think the Lancaster marriage is connected, though I could be wrong. He had an "adopted" (aka illegitimate I think) daughter Mary, who inherited the house in Wandsworth and lived to the age of 97 (died 1867). [Wandsworth is now part of London south of the Thames, but was at the time technically in Surrey. WD worked in London, so may be referred to as of London or of Surrey.]
WD of BR's brother Robert Dent (1731-1805, his neighbour on Wandsworth Common [Dents Road in Wandsworth is built over part of their grounds], senior partner in Child's & Co bank of Temple Bar, No. 1 Fleet Street, London) was the father of John Dent MP (1761-1826), also a partner in Child's & Co bank of Temple Bar [MP for Lancaster, where he bought an estate, and later for Poole].
William Dent of Brickendonbury, Hertfordshire (1761-1833, previously of Tumlak, Bengal and later of Grange Court, Chigwell, Essex) was a cousin of theirs, a son of Rev John Dent of Ainderby Steeple, Yorkshire, son of Rev Robert Dent of North Otterington, Yorkshire (the brother of John Dent of Flass).
I am descended from the elder brother of John Dent of Flass (William Dent of Trainlands, Maulds Meaburn 1684-1766) [as well in fact as from JD of F's daughter Mary Wilkinson nee Dent (1726-1812) - there were several intermarriages]. My parents still have a house in Maulds Meaburn and we are up there regularly [I am repeating the family tradition by living in London!].
I am very curious to know what your link or interest with the Dents is?
Kind regards
Nick (Dent)
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Hi Judie and welcome
Nick Dent has not been on rootschat for a couple of years. If he has not changed email address he should get a notification of your reply. If you post a couple more times you can use our personal message system to contact him by clicking on the "letter" icon under his user name - but again that depends on his email being the same. Let us hope it is.
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I have attached a pdf of the Dent family that I have researched. Because it is shrink-to-fit onto one A4 page, it may be easiest viewed electronically onscreen and magnified, rather than printed out.
This is my brother-in-law's family.
I share this in the hope that it may be of help to fellow researchers, but also in the hope that anyone can supplement what is shown here and even expand it.
Here's hoping!
Caspar
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Thanks for the reply, I will indeed try to send him a personal message and hope it works.
Hi Judie and welcome
Nick Dent has not been on rootschat for a couple of years. If he has not changed email address he should get a notification of your reply. If you post a couple more times you can use our personal message system to contact him by clicking on the "letter" icon under his user name - but again that depends on his email being the same. Let us hope it is.
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I don't think that any of these Dents are the same ones that I am researching - good luck piecing them together!
I have attached a pdf of the Dent family that I have researched. Because it is shrink-to-fit onto one A4 page, it may be easiest viewed electronically onscreen and magnified, rather than printed out.
This is my brother-in-law's family.
I share this in the hope that it may be of help to fellow researchers, but also in the hope that anyone can supplement what is shown here and even expand it.
Here's hoping!
Caspar
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Judie, I dropped you a private line but I am not sure that you have received it.
Kind regards
Nick
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Does anyone know the whereabouts of the oil painting portrait of Mr William Dent of Wandsworth Common in his 82nd year July 1821, on canvas, signed and titled verso painted by James Ward?
It was auctioned in 1999 or 2000 by Wintertons/Bagshaws at Uttoxeter (Lot Lot 691 on 18 November 1999 & Lot 400 on 20 January 2000) but unfortunately Wintertons/Bagshaws have since destroyed their records and can provide no information. http://www.artfact.com/auction-lot/oil-painting-james-ward,-mr-william-dent-of-400-c-qr24sujacz
I am particularly interested in a digital image of the painting and would appreciate any help or suggestions as to how to track down the painting and/or a digital picture of it.
Judie Rawlin
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Hi Judie, :D
I think we have corresponded before on 'the Dents' but can not find any trace of it.
My 3x Gt Grandfather was John Dent b1780 Kings Meaburn & his wife was Mary Nicholson b1776 Asby (Daughter of Anthony).
I am interested to know more about your Dents and Wilkinsons with dates and Places. I have Wilkinsons in the Nicholson family and if you have more information I could maybe find out if they tie up too.
Judy :D