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Title: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: royd on Saturday 19 September 09 21:54 BST (UK)
Hi, apparently I was born in this hospital but can find little info about it.  I understand it was part of the Salvation Army at the time - my parents were officers in the SA and that part of it was, I think, known as Star Hall.

If anyone has any other info or, even better a picture, I would be very grateful to hear from them.  Thank you. R. ;D
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Viktoria on Saturday 19 September 09 22:58 BST (UK)
Hello royd, there has been a thread about this some time ago.
Originally Frank Crossley( of Crossley`s springs and motors) started "The Star Hall" firstly in a disused music hall of that name. He did it because of the great poverty and need in that part of Manchester. There was a place of worship and food and shelter were given. After Frank died the Salvation Army took over, It is most probably  they who started the maternity home because mothers got no help or rest after being confined. The original building built by the Crossleys after the music hall property was abandoned has been replaced by one built by the S.A.It was a funny triangular building. Crossleys entrance was on what was formerly Mitchell St. Pollard St. was the Star Hall entrance. Google it and you will find a history but sadly the part the Crossleys played in starting this philanthropic project is often overlooked. There is a biography of Frank Crossley, photographs of the new building which replaced the old music hall and the latest new building still standing. You may find more photos in Manchester`s Local Image site. Best of luck . Viktoria.
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Mr. MIGKY on Sunday 20 September 09 13:13 BST (UK)
Manchester library has a picture of the SA building in Pollard street Ancouts.
Go to the image collection CLICK 4 IMAGES (http://images.manchester.gov.uk/) Then go to the Advance search and put this number in the top line where it says " with all of the words "

m10471.jpg

Was this the same man who had the Crossley motors  in Gorton/Openshaw?

CLICK 4 CROSSLEY MOTORS (http://www.crossley-motors.org.uk/)
Migky ;)
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: royd on Sunday 20 September 09 15:18 BST (UK)
Many thanks to both of you.  I shall check out the sites you have recommended.  Very grateful for your time.  Regards. R. :)
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Viktoria on Sunday 20 September 09 21:28 BST (UK)
Yes Midgky, the Crossley family lived at Bowden Cheshire but gave it all up to move into the old Star Hall(music hall )which was some move! They were wealthy people and the whole family were involved in the business. One of the works was in part of Ancoats so Frank was familiar with the conditions there. He died quite young.Viktoria.
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: firedoor on Thursday 15 October 09 23:40 BST (UK)
hello, i was also born in crossley hospital in May 1951 but i'm not sure if it was called star hall at the time. I tried the images link but it didn't return any result. I wonder if a record exists of babies born there? Anybody know?
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: royd on Friday 16 October 09 07:55 BST (UK)
Hi Firedoor and welcome to Rootschat.

It may be that the only way to find out about records etc., is to contact the SA in London.  I hadn't thought of that so may give it a go when I have a bit more time.  Regards. Royd.
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: kooky on Friday 16 October 09 08:11 BST (UK)
If you click on Migky's link 'Click for images' and put in Pollard the pic. of Star Hall is on about the second or third page.
Kooky
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: firedoor on Friday 16 October 09 11:44 BST (UK)
thanks for that. started going all over the place now, on a grand tour of my childhood. Need an old street map to piece it all together.
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Mr. MIGKY on Friday 16 October 09 12:07 BST (UK)
hello, i was also born in crossley hospital in May 1951 but i'm not sure if it was called star hall at the time. I tried the images link but it didn't return any result. I wonder if a record exists of babies born there? Anybody know?

Woould it now say on your birth certificate, where you were born?


What year are you talking about for your map?
Migky ;)
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: firedoor on Friday 16 October 09 12:10 BST (UK)
just around 1955 to 1965. i can't seem to remember the names of all the adjacent streets to my address in Ardwick. Cheers!
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Mr. MIGKY on Friday 16 October 09 12:13 BST (UK)
If you go to my proflie you will find my email address, email me and i will dig out a section of a map i have for around that time period.
Migky  ;)
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: kelly 72 on Sunday 23 May 10 13:08 BST (UK)
I too was born in Crossley Hospital in 1948. My father was in the band and was the YP Band master. I was in the band along with my brothers.

Bev (Tommy) Hilton
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Mr. MIGKY on Sunday 23 May 10 13:54 BST (UK)
Hi & welcome to rootschat Kelly, if i can help. please ask. Besides myself, there are many rootschatters with a lot of knowledge on the Manchester area.

Migky  ;)
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: royd on Sunday 23 May 10 16:03 BST (UK)
Hi Kelly, I beat you by one year - 1947.  Where were your family stationed?  I think mine were at Idle but not really sure.  I was a bit young at the time!!   Welcome to Rootschat.   :)  R.
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Parmesan on Monday 24 May 10 13:02 BST (UK)
Another one born there but no Sally Army links!  1950 - t'was a very good year  ;D

15 Mitchell Street I believe

In fact my mother says the nurses were not very nice to her and she used to quote their words to her 'Okay, you've had one, you know what to do, get on with it!'   :o
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Barney1959 on Wednesday 21 July 10 13:25 BST (UK)
Hi,
Newbie here but had to reply as I was (aparently) born at Crossley Hospital in 1959. My mum died though and that is where the paper trail ends.
I contacted the SA in London and they have no records of me or my mother being there.
That being so, I am now more interested in the history of the people who went through the system there and hearing their stories of the experiences they had around the time. I am sure my mother was there at some point but can't be sure I was born there even though it says so on my birth cert.
Royd, I am based in Maidenhead.
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Mr. MIGKY on Wednesday 21 July 10 13:48 BST (UK)
Hi & welcome Barney1959.
I hope you manage to get some help on this subject, but as there is a possibility that your parent's could be still be alive. You may struggle getting info on here as we are not permitted to post living peoples names and details.

Migky  ;)
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: royd on Wednesday 21 July 10 22:18 BST (UK)
Hello Barney1959, I guess if it says so on your birth cert then that's where you were born.  What exactly are you looking for?  Were your parents in the Salvation Army?  I was born there, but don't remember anything about it......lol

R. ;D
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Parmesan on Wednesday 21 July 10 22:54 BST (UK)
you didn't have to have a Sally Army connection.  I was born there and my mother says the nurses weren't very nice!
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Viktoria on Wednesday 21 July 10 23:09 BST (UK)
Although Crossley`s Hospital is no more there is a building on the site which replaced it.It was built by The Salvation Army and so if you enquire there I think there is a possibility they will have some idea about where  the records of Crossley`s are. They may be in Manchester Local Archives  collection which was in the Central Library but due to a major refurbishment  have been moved, but I think some at least can still be viewe elsewhere..
I think Mitchell St. is still the address.
Crossley`s was the preffered maternity hospital of many Manchester Clergy wives, perhaps because of the Christian ethos
I don`t think the nurses at Crossley`s were any worse than elsewhere, at Crumpsall ( now North M/C General) there was one in particular who would now be disciplined one hopes for her attitude towards young mothers. She was dreaded.
 Hope you are lucky and get the info you require.   Victoria.
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Barney1959 on Thursday 22 July 10 00:03 BST (UK)
Hi all.
When I first saw my birth certificate i went down to the hospital. It was being used as a safe home for girls who were homeless at the time. I was given a tour and went to see the delivery room which I have to say made a lasting impression on me. The SA woman there was incredibly helpful but I think I was still in shock about finding out I had a different mother to the one I knew.
I obtained my mothers death cert back then (late 1980s) and last years discovered that she was to be married after I was born and put up for adoption. I have no idea who she was to marry though, other than his name was Trevor or Terence. When I went back there sometime in the 1990's the place had been demolished.
The SA in London were incredibly helpful and i couldn't thank them enough for their efforts. I have also read up much on the political and moral attitudes that brought about the proliferation of the Mother and Baby Homes that utilsed the hospital
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: royd on Thursday 22 July 10 09:01 BST (UK)
Wasn't it later turned into the Star Hall?  This rings a vague bell with me.

 All I can remember my mother telling me was that I was born there because they were SA Officers. When the time came for me to be born, my father was getting in everyone's way so they gave him an oilcan and told him to go and oil all the doors!!!   ::)

R.
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Barney1959 on Thursday 22 July 10 12:25 BST (UK)
The SA had Mother and Baby homes all over Manchester. This was where single mothers went after their families threw them out. This was always about but became a viable business after 1923 when an MP made a speech in the House of Commons about these fallen women. They wanted to cut the welfare costs in a way that was reminisent of the Poor Law Reform of 1832 which itself resulted in an explosion of Workhouses. In 1910 there was a system in place to cater for single mothers on the welfare state, but they kept the whole thing secret from the young mothers as there was profit in adoption to re-colonise the empire with white blood lost in the Great War. Mothers were told lies and harrassed into giving up their babies, many of the children being put straight on a ship and taken to Australia, South Africa and Canada. When they got there they were given new birth certificates.
The flip side of things is that if the SA weren't there to cater for these girls, the alternative was a back street abortion and the greater hazard that involved. Many many girls would have died if it were not for the SA. You have to look at the whole picture.
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: pearly sj on Tuesday 23 November 10 00:48 GMT (UK)
Hi,
I worked in Crossley house in the early 80s, for the Salvation army. I lived in the Nurses home, and Star Hall was in Merrill Street number 15.  Ancoats hospital was in Great Ancoats Street.
Before the Army turned Crossley house into a nursing home it was indeed a home for unmarried mums, and also a place for other babies to be born.
The nurses home was separated from the main building by Foot Street which was the last cobbled street in Manchester apparently.
I remember distinctly when the Matron was on holiday going down into the basement of the nurses home that was no longer used.  I found loads of stuff used at that time including a marble slab just a little bigger than a door.  I also found huge ledgers there which had names of babies and mothers, how their labour had been etc.  I left those ledgers etc in the basement as i had found them.  There was frequent mention of the flying squad.  I dug around to work out what it was and apparently it was when a mum was in trouble or very ill the nurses and doctors from the home would go to their houses to help with the birth.
When I left crossley, the nurses home was still being used as accomidation, the home was still a nursing home the Star hall which was on the bottom floor was used as a place of worship but also a drop in coffee lounge and half of the nurses quarters was used for the salvation army admin.
I returned many years ago to find that the building has been demolished and houses built on the site. The first time i went back there was the sandstone pillar of the gate still there but now it has gone.  I have photos but unfortunately not good at uploading.  If you need any more info I will try and help
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: royd on Tuesday 23 November 10 19:56 GMT (UK)
Hello Pearly, welcome to Rootschat.

I was very interested in your comment about the old ledgers.  I wonder what happened to them?  Is there any way you could find out?  I am especially interested in the year 1947.

Thanks.  R.
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Barney1959 on Wednesday 24 November 10 07:44 GMT (UK)
It is probable that the ledgers went to the SA archivist in London. He did a search for me and found nothing with myself or my mothers name on it, even though it says I was born there on my birth certificate.
I would love to have a trawl through them and see if there was a name my mother may have used. I gave the archivist a list of possible aliases she could have used but other have come to light since then that would be available to her, one in particular being Collett. I have also learned that she was to be married after my birth and I was to be put up for adoption. This means that she could have assumed the name of her husband to be who I only know to be Terence or Trevor, my source being elderly and it was half a century ago. His name wasn't Collett, that is the married name of her Aunt Alice who lived in Prestwich not far from Ancoats.

Pearly. If you were there in the eighties it is possible that I met you when I came to the home the first time. Bewilderingly confused as I knew nothing of anything, armed with a birth certificate and the name of some woman I had never heard of before as "mother".
I stood in the delivery room and it is an image I will never forget.
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: royd on Wednesday 24 November 10 19:58 GMT (UK)
Thank you for that Barney.  I will contact the SA Archivist to see if they can help.  R.
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Jaques on Monday 29 November 10 14:16 GMT (UK)

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http://(http://i199.photobucket.com/albums/aa44/Dragking1/starhallband.jpg)

im hoping this will load..................my grandmother used to go to starhall before the Salvation army took it over, then my mother and my dad joined, my dad was a junior bandboy and became boys bandmaster when they eventually went to dyer street S.A. Openshaw.
The photos show starhall band and what i think are whitweek walks, you can see the starhall flag, i have others too............
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Parmesan on Monday 29 November 10 14:29 GMT (UK)
Welcome and those photos are fab!  :)
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Jaques on Monday 29 November 10 16:47 GMT (UK)
.....thank you and hello, 2nd photo here is the starhall band and my father sydney alston is on the front row, 4th from left as you look at the pic.  This was long before i was born.  The lst photo is obviously someones funeral, and again inmanchester but dont know who died..........

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Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Barney1959 on Monday 29 November 10 16:55 GMT (UK)
They certainly are fab. I know it is outside the era i am looking into but these are great. Love old phots
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Parmesan on Monday 29 November 10 17:23 GMT (UK)
That must have been somebody important, there is quite a turn out!  Oooh I wonder who?
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Jaques on Monday 29 November 10 17:30 GMT (UK)
I cant find any photos of crossley hospital, but a think my sister had her eldest son in there - hes in his 40's now but if anyones interested in the S.A. and that area, theres quite a bit of info. in here with  - one taken inside star hall in l918.  I can remember that whole area and my parents bought s.a. uniforms from a building nr. the star hall...........
www.mcrh.mmu.ac.uk/pubs/pdf/mrhr_06_horridge.pdf
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: shebw on Wednesday 01 December 10 20:53 GMT (UK)
try the ancoats forever site on facebook  the people on there are a great help
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Tabigail on Tuesday 01 February 11 14:17 GMT (UK)
Well this is interesting because I was adopted and my place of birth in 1956 was given as 15 Mitchell Street Ancoats, though I had no idea it had an assocation with the Salvation Army, nor, even that it was a hospital or maternity home. My mother lived at 9 Choir Street Salford 7 as it was then.  I don't know Manchester very well so I don't know if the latter address exists.  I would like to know if anyone knows of the Bassman family who might have live at the above Salford address.
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Mr. MIGKY on Tuesday 01 February 11 14:59 GMT (UK)
Hi Tabigail & welcome.
If you know that these persons are dead, then maybe we can trace them for you?
It is rootschat policy not to post about any living person.

So if you think we can help, why not post any details you have. Like names/dates of births/deaths last know address and such.

Migky  ;)
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Mr. MIGKY on Tuesday 01 February 11 15:18 GMT (UK)
Salvation Army, Star Hall, Ancoats, New Hall, Manchester 1910.

Click for star hall. (http://images.manchester.gov.uk/web/objects/common/webmedia.php?irn=55581)

Ancoats, Pollard Street north, Michell Street, Salvation Army, Star Hall 1967

Click for Star hall 1967 (http://images.manchester.gov.uk/web/objects/common/webmedia.php?irn=45195)

Migky  ;)
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Viktoria on Tuesday 01 February 11 19:57 GMT (UK)
The photograph may be the funeral  of one of the Crossley family. Frank who founded The Star Hall died relatively young but his wife carried on his work. They are buried in Philip`s Park cemetery.
The style of clothing of the spectators is later than would have been worn at the time of Frank`s death.
 I`d have to google it  to find the dates.
                                                               Viktoria.
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Tabigail on Wednesday 02 February 11 09:13 GMT (UK)
Dear Mr MIGKY, I have no idea if they are dead or alive.  Possibly Barbara is still alive, but as I am 55 this month, I doubt that the "older generation" is still around . They may have frequented the closest synagogue, and if you could find out where this is /was, I could contact the synagogue through "Jewish Reunion", which allows searches for institutions and living or deceased family members and other (social) contacts.
Yours
Tabigail :)
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Mr. MIGKY on Wednesday 02 February 11 11:29 GMT (UK)
Not to sure of the nearest Synagogue.
It might be worth you contacting the Jewish museum in Cheetham hill? I think they maybe able to point you in the right direction?
Manchester Jewish Museum
190 Cheetham Hill Road, Manchester M8 8LW

Telephone: 0161 834 9879
www.manchesterjewishmuseum.com

This is worth reading (http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Europe/United_Kingdom/England/Greater_Manchester/Manchester-308843/Things_To_Do-Manchester-Manchester_Jewish_Museum-R-1.html
)

Good luck.
Migky  ;)

Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Mr. MIGKY on Wednesday 02 February 11 13:51 GMT (UK)
Link didn't work, this should  Try this link (http://www.virtualtourist.com/travel/Europe/United_Kingdom/England/Greater_Manchester/Manchester-308843/Things_To_Do-Manchester-Manchester_Jewish_Museum-R-1.html)

Migky  ;)
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Viktoria on Wednesday 02 February 11 20:11 GMT (UK)
The nearest Synagogue would be on Cheetham Hill Rd.
Manchester Great Synagogue  was at the end nearest to the bridge over the train lines ,Ducie Bridge at the bottom end of Cheetham Hill Rd.A huge building like a Greek temple with a columns.
.There was another further up and also The Spanish and Portugese Synagogue which houses the Manchester Jewish Museum .
A good book to read about the area is Magnolia Street by Louis Golding.    Viktoria.
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Tabigail on Friday 04 February 11 08:55 GMT (UK)
Thank you Viktoria, would the synagogue have a particular name that I could research?
I shall save your information. It might be very helpful.
Thanks once again,
Tabigail
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Viktoria on Friday 04 February 11 20:34 GMT (UK)
As far as I can remember the big Synagogue I described was  called Manchester Great Synagogue.
 I could be wrong  and it may not have been the first on Cheetham Hill Rd. There was one called The New Hebrew Synagogue as well .                                                                                                       As Jewish immigrants came to Manchester, many  from Russia-getting off the train at Victoria station- they settled quite near the sation. Then as they got on in trade etc they moved slightly further away from M/C city centre and up Cheetham Hill Rd. It is a fascinating history and there are walks conducted from the M /C Jewish Museum all around the area.
As always with impoverished immigrants who are escaping persecution , the Jewish  people  settled  first in the poorer areas which  in M/C also happened to be nearest to the railway station.They would have little or no English and would have found fellow countrymen who would have helped them to settle in. Alll this info comes from the helpful staff at the Jewish Museum.It really is worth a visit and most interesting..
                                                     Viktoria.
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Tabigail on Tuesday 08 February 11 12:36 GMT (UK)
Thanks once again Viktoria.  I shall have to visit the museum virtually as I live abroad.
Perhaps I could contact them by email.

Cheers
Tabigail
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Mr. MIGKY on Tuesday 08 February 11 13:17 GMT (UK)
There were a few synagogue's along Cheetham hill road at one time.
there was the reform synagogue on the corner of Park place and Cheetham hill road built 1858, which was destroyed  WW2 1940
The central synagogue was at the bottom of Cheetham hill road up to 1928
The new central synagogue built around 1926ish on corner of Heywood street & Bellot street.

Migky  ;)
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Pippakit on Wednesday 01 June 11 23:20 BST (UK)
I have only just seen this.

I was told that I was born in the Star Hall (January 1951), my sisters were born there aswell.
My mother and her family were staunch Salvation Army folk but they were from Cornwall.
My mother married my dad (who was from Manchester) in Cornwall but they settled in Third Avenue, Clayton,
which was my father's home.
Mother told me that the Star Hall was a Maternity Hospital operated by the Salvation Army and that
her place was booked there each time before she gave birth to us three girls.

Would I have been born in the Star Hall of the 1967 photo or the 1910 version?
And would it have been called the Star Hall or Crossley's Hospital at that time (1951)?
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: cren on Thursday 18 August 11 13:35 BST (UK)
in 1960 -I too was born in what my mum used to call - crossley 'nursing' home
we didnt have any sally army links that I know of and I was the youngest of 5 children my mum wasnt a single parent any pics would be great if anyone has any
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Sally Ann Major on Tuesday 25 October 11 12:29 BST (UK)
As with many Salvation Army social centres for unmarried women, Crossley Hospital was also used by married women from the surrounding area for the births of their babies.  These 'local' patients as they were referred to, helped to subsidise the running of the homes/hospitals as the unmarried women were often unable to pay much/anything towards their stay and treatment.  The unmarried women usually stayed at our maternity home 'Oak Hill' in Cheetham Hill or (from 1933) Mandley Park Avenue, for several months both before and after the birth of the babies.

Unfortunately the ‘huge ledgers’ do not appear to have survived, as they are not at the SA heritage centre, which is a great shame.  However, some discharge records do survive from our Women’s Social Work (WSW) headquarters, although there is a gap in coverage from early 1942 to early 1949.

The SA heritage centre can be contacted on:

heritage[at]salvationarmy.org.uk

Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: royd on Thursday 27 October 11 20:57 BST (UK)
Thank you for that Sally Ann.

My parents were officers in the SA locally so that is why I was born there.  Unfortunately, the year I am interested in is 1947!  I was in touch with the Heritage Centre a while ago but no joy sadly.


Regards. R.
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Dora Chadwick on Tuesday 10 January 12 04:38 GMT (UK)
My mother was born in what she called Crossley Hospital in 1927. Her mother was married and not poor but her family did have relationship with the Booth Family so may be why she went there.
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: pearly sj on Monday 20 February 12 16:24 GMT (UK)
Hi Royd, So sorry it took me so long to reply,lots of things going on.
Really no idea where the ledgers would have gone, I presume they have been taken somewhere.  If my memory serves me right I saw at least 3 and they each spanned a few years.  Surely they would have been removed not just destroyed.
I wasnt supposed to be in that part of the house as it was disused so i guess you could say i was snooping lol. I do regret not doing something about the ledgers now. At the time though both my friend and I would have been in hot water with the matron if we had been caught there.
One thing I do remember though was I was leaving the nurses quarters one morning and as i stepped on to Foot street I actually ruined some filming that was going on for the series of Sherlock holmes, you remember the old series on years ago.  they were doing scenes in Foot street.  This would have been around 1982 - 1984 I never saw  the finished product and have often wondered if much of the building was filmed would be interesting to see.  Going to have a scout round will let you know if I find anything xx
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: funkyoap on Tuesday 13 March 12 13:51 GMT (UK)
I was born in Crossley Hospital in November 1947. My mother was a single mum and I was given up for adoption. My adoptive parents had to pick me me up from my mother at the hospital and she had to actually hand me over. I cannot imagine what that must have been like for her.I have tried to find documentation of my existence at the hospital, but have been told by the SA that records were destroyed in a fire. I would like to know how my mother ended up there when her family home was in County Durham. Any ideas please.....funkyoap
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Sally Ann Major on Wednesday 14 March 12 16:30 GMT (UK)
Dear funkyoap

For most of our former maternity homes (including Oakhill/Oak Hill) we do not hold any original records, and most of what we know about the women and girls who used these homes comes from a series of ledgers known as The Girls’ Statement Books.  In effect these were records of discharge, and they were held centrally at our Women’s’ Social Work headquarters in Mare Street, Hackney.

Because these books have survived we have two series (London and Country) running from 1886 for more than a century.  Unfortunately there is one major gap in the Country series, from March 1942 to March 1948 inclusive.  This means that we have no statement book entries for discharges between these dates.  Since these books record discharges and not births it does mean that births that took place a few months before this period may not be recorded, while conversely that births that took place in late 1947 or early 1948 may be.

As for the distances travelled to the homes, I recently completed a study of 30 girls who were in the home in 1933, but it still acts as a good illustration.  This is a compilation of the distances travelled to Oakhill for each of the thirty.

≤ 10 miles   x 17
≤ 50 miles   x 7
≤ 100 miles   x 4
> 100 miles   x 2

The greatest distances travelled where from North Shields (~120 miles) and Norwich (~168 miles).  Although the characteristics of a group obviously vary from home-to-home and also from one period of time to another, this is a not untypical distribution.

Regards

Kevin

Major Kevin Pooley
Social Historian
The Salvation Army
International Heritage Centre
William Booth College
Champion Park
London
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Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: 3merrylads on Saturday 23 February 13 09:21 GMT (UK)
The Salvation Army in London have records for the Star Hall, I just emailed them and they were very helpful and then sent them a donation when they came up with all the information I required. :)
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Babling Brook on Saturday 23 February 13 11:05 GMT (UK)
Hi,  My mother in law..96 this year.. had a difficult time with her previous birth so it was suggested she  had the last one..1950.. at the Sally Army hospital,it having a great reputation for skill and care.She remembers the ground floor..street level..was mainly admin and the hall,she was on the first floor where they had to pay with the top floor being for mums who couldn't pay.

Apart from one "strict" nurse she says they really looked after her and took her baby (my Mrs) up to the girls on the top floor,something they did often, to help the young girls cope with the pain and fear.She remembers one of the Wards being called Edwina, the name being given to one happy couple's daughter !
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: carolli on Monday 04 March 13 09:31 GMT (UK)
 This is my first post(although I must have registered some time in the distant past,as I already had a user name).I have always wondered why my birth certificate has 15,Mitchell Street as the birth address
So browsing Mitchell Street on FindMyPast census 'address search',could not find no.15 but decided to google 'Star Hall' which brought me to Rootschat.com and the answer. I was born there in 1945 neither of my parents had links with SA but my Dad worked for Crossley Motors. I only know this as I recall two silver cup/trophies that had pride of place upon the mantle-piece at home. My Dad was the 'Crossley Works' Mens Singles Tennis Champion 1933-34 and 1935-36
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: SHBowles on Friday 28 March 14 00:32 GMT (UK)
Star Hall was a Mission Hall in Ancoats, Manchester, founded by Francis Crossley (of Crossley Engines, later Crossley Motors) to meet the spiritual needs of his factory workers. It included the Crossley Hospital, a Maternity hospital. The building was previously a dance hall. On his death in 1897, his daughter continued the mission until 1919. At this time the building and mission were handed over to the Salvation Army. Crossley had been a personal friend of William Booth, and had even been called the 'Paymaster General' of the SA. The building was demolished in 1985. Crossley Court, run by the Salvation Army Housing Association, now occupies the site.

Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Stripelegs on Monday 17 August 15 12:45 BST (UK)
Well I have just found this site - I was looking for Crossley Nursing Home off Mitchell Street , Ancoats.

I was - supposedly born there in July 1941,- My mother was married to my dad(who was in the RAF)
at a church in Bexley Heath, Kent., in June 1940. The location (Kent) is interesting because my mother had Aunts in Plumstead and Gravesend, and my dad was stationed in camp in Hertfordshire. My grandmother was from Woolich .
My mother was born in Hulme in 1919 as her mother and father moved up to Manchester in early 1919.
Unfortunately , I do not have my birth certificate , and my mother died in 1992. It is amazing how much knowledge your parents had but as a child growing up, you never asked the questions that you now want answers too.
The only facts(?) I have is that my mother told me I was born at Crossley Nursing Home , off Mitchell Street, in Ancoats and I always thought that it was run by Catholic nurses , mainly because my dad was Catholic. About 10 years ago I drove down to Ancoats after seeing an old map of the area , I think ,  in the Manchester Evening News.
I could not find Crossley Nursing Home  - because it must have been demolished - but interestingly
I came accross a pub called The Mitchell Arms , and nearby was some apartments called
Crossley Court.
I do not know if it was a hospital in 1941 but I assume it had a maternity wing.
That's it .
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Viktoria on Tuesday 18 August 15 23:20 BST (UK)
No, not Catholic, although they did not differentiate as far as I know.It was open to all denominations.
It is a long interesting story , look up Frank Crossley and The Star Hall.
After Frank died The Salvation Army took over The Star Hall and   Crossley`s and carried on the work he started in a  very deprived area.
                                                         Viktoria.
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Redwine01 on Wednesday 14 October 15 19:04 BST (UK)
Hi all, first posting here, I too was born in Crossley hospital, in September 1964, and was wondering why , as on my birth certificate, my parents address is in Offerton, Stockport, so any help understanding why, would be great , I can remember my dad having a business in canal st, Ancoats , and as a teenager visiting my dad's place of work, called Manchester Cutting Service, I would walk to Pollard St(?), and walk up , pass the coop factory, and down a road , passing a few shop, along a road passing Ancoats A&E, bk to main Road , and back to Canal Street, hope it can help other, to see where I came from, cheers ,
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: anna marie on Tuesday 22 December 15 12:19 GMT (UK)
I  have recently discovered that I was born in Crossley Hospital in April 1968 and was taken home by my birth mother to live with her and her married sister for 4 months after my birth before she gave me up for adoption. I think she was from Ireland, a Roman Catholic and wondered why this hospital?
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: dorothyl on Tuesday 14 August 18 15:02 BST (UK)
 Hello Everyone.

i wanted to say that i was born in crosslee hospital. the one with the star on it.
i am slightley confued though. is the one built in 1890 that is posted on here the same one as the tall bilding?  what i am trying to do is put everything together like what schools i went to and the hospital i went to. and also see how far the difference was from where we lived from when i was born in 1957. i was born in moss side. in the hospital called cross lee. and when i left hospital with my mum we lived at number 3 florence street. which became findland street. if anyone can help me with anything i would really be greatful.

thank you again for your time and help.
yours sincerly

dorothy
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Viktoria on Tuesday 21 August 18 20:31 BST (UK)
Hello, the name of the maternity hospital was ”Crossley,s”
If you go back a good way on this site you will find lots of information about it all.
As you will find the name was that of the man who started The Star Hall,later taken over by aThe Salvation Army after Frank Crossley’s death.
The site goes back to 2009,but there is a lot of info for you there. Best of luck. Viktoria.
PS,do ask again if you need more help.V
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: KOZ on Friday 14 September 18 15:07 BST (UK)
I telephoned the Salvation Army many years ago as I was born in this hospital and was searching for my birth mother but I was advised that all the records for the period around 1966 had been lost in a fire
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Salvator on Thursday 11 July 19 11:24 BST (UK)
I was born in this hospital too - in September 1963.
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Salvator on Thursday 11 July 19 11:40 BST (UK)
Hi Kelly, I beat you by one year - 1947.  Where were your family stationed?  I think mine were at Idle but not really sure.  I was a bit young at the time!!   Welcome to Rootschat.   :)  R.
My parents were stationed at Pendlebury when I was born.
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: dorothyl on Thursday 03 August 23 00:29 BST (UK)
Hello again everyone.
This is a long shot.
 But I'm trying to find something about myself. Maybe someone can help.
I know i was born in salvation army hospital ancoats
My mum was a teenager age 19 years old. And unmarried at the time.

What I'm trying to find out is where do I need to go to find out my weight at birth.
I know i was born at 10.30 in the morning I can't remember if my mum told me what I weight was.

Please can anyone help who do I ask.
As probably the area I was living after I was born as probably gone now
I don't know the doctors who was living in the area.

Please can anyone suggest anything?


Also if at all possible is there any photos of the maternity wing in the hospital.

Thank you so much for your help and your time.

Kind regards
Dorothy
Title: Re: Crossley Hospital, Ancoats, Manchester
Post by: Viktoria on Saturday 05 August 23 12:03 BST (UK)

The nearest Drs. were on the corner of Bradford Street .O’Connor,Crymble, Nolan snd Swietlik ,a lovely Polish Dr.

They would probably be on call.
Ancoats Hospital was very close by too.
Viktoria.