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Title: Collins family
Post by: nelwild on Sunday 20 September 09 13:32 BST (UK)
Hello

Im wondering if anyone can help me with a family called Collins that im really struggling with.

Walter Matthews,travelling hawker married Nancy Collins in Maidstone,Kent Sept quart 1885.

On the 1881 is Nancy Collins born 1866 Maidstone.Her siblings were:

James born 1863 Sheerness.

Esther born 1869 Burwash,Sussex.

Henry born 1872 Bath,Somerset.

Francis(Frank) born 1877 Thackham,Kent.

William born 1880 Rotherfield,Sussex.

Parents were Francis Collins born 1836 Hangman,Sussex and Ann born 1837,possibly Chichester.Both travelling hawkers.

Theres a marriage in Maidstone for Frank Collins/Ann sept quart 1852 and one in Westhampton,Sussex 1861.

I havent been able to confirm either of these from the census.

Ive got Francis/Ann on 1901 with William still living with them.

Next door is Frank(Francis).His wife is Amy born 1876 Friers Gate,Sussex. 

The only potential marriage i can find for Frank/Amy is to an Amy Mobey tonbridge sept quart 1895.

So far as im aware,Mobey isnt a traveller name,and there are no Amy Mobeys that seem to fit the bill on census.

A similar name in the area is Gobey,they were travellers,theres an Amy Gobey born 1870 marrying Joseph Brazil.

Despite searching for hours,this is all ive been able to find,so these are turning out to be as elusive as Mathews.

If anyone can find anything ive missed ,however small,or confirm any of this,id be really grateful.

Many thanks,nel.
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: CatOne on Monday 21 September 09 14:07 BST (UK)
According to the 1901 census for Amy, she was born c1876, and there is the birth of an Amy Mobey in 1876 -

Amy Mobey December 1876 Fulham Vol 1a Page 269

Frustratingly can't find her on the censuses though!  :-\
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: nelwild on Monday 21 September 09 14:40 BST (UK)
Thanks Catone,that potentially gives me a bit more.

Looks like it might be a case of more certificates

Nel.
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: CatOne on Monday 21 September 09 15:58 BST (UK)
This looks like your family in 1871, enumerated "Cullins" -

RG10/1247 Folio 50 Page 33
No Fixed Residence, Thatcham, Berkshire

Francis Collins age unreadable (could be 36) Travellers Kent Maidstone
Ann 36? Kent M....worth
Francis age unreadable Kent Ashford
Thos? 8 Sussex Elso....e
Jas? 6 Kent Sheerness
Nancy 4 Kent Maidstone
Esther 6mo Sussex Barwash?

Regards
Cat  :)
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: CatOne on Monday 21 September 09 16:23 BST (UK)
In 1851 theres a Francis Collins Traveller 19 Ag Lab Kent "Marding" (Marden?), in a lodging house with other traveller Ag Labs - Basonwell Street, Bishops Waltham, Hampshire HO107/1676 Folio 62 Page 37
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: CatOne on Monday 21 September 09 16:37 BST (UK)
You say, as far as you are aware, Mobey isn't a traveller name, but have a look at this traveller "Moby" family in 1881, in neighbouring caravan is the Light family (and in the Fulham area where Amy Mobey's birth was registered) -

RG11/72 Folio 32 Page 11
Caravan, Victoria Yard, Garden Row, Fulham, London

John Moby 21 General Dealer Middlesex Fulham
Betsy 22 Kent
Amelia? 8mo Middlesex Fulham

In 1871, John is with his parents John and Amelia, and siblings Caroline, Alfred, William and Riley, at 5 Melson? Street, Fulham (his dad John is Chair Caner and mum Amelia is a Hawker) RG10/67 Folio 90 Page 39 (Alfred Mobey married Emily Bone in Fulham 1884)

ps. Riley Mobey died Sept quarter 1874 age 4 Brentford 3a 57
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: CatOne on Monday 21 September 09 17:30 BST (UK)
I was wondering if Amy was maybe John (age 61, Horse Dealer born Shepherds Bush London) and Amelia's daughter (Amelia age 60, Hawker, born Todly? Kent). In 1901 they have a 16yr old granddaughter Amelia living with them (Hawker, born Fulham) + 2 servants William Hodges and Charles Stenning?
97,99,101 Earlswood Road Waste Ground, Caravan, Reigate, Surrey
RG13/627 Folio 85 Page 34


Looking for them in 1881 and 1891....

ps. Amelia, the granddaughter, is with her parents Alfred and Emily (nee Bone) in 1891 -

Alfred Mobey (transcribed "Mabey") 28 General Labourer Fulham
Emily 26 Fulham
Amelia 6 Scholar Fulham
John 3 Fulham
Emily 6mos Fulham
RG12/52 Folio 84 Page 52
48 Bullow Road, Fulham, London

Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: nelwild on Monday 21 September 09 22:06 BST (UK)
Catone,

many thanks for all this.I hadnt seen the 1871 Collins entry,so that takes me a bit further.

The Moby entries are very intresting.Ive had a look round,and there are lots of travelling Mobeys,but this is the first time ive come across them.

The 1881 entry for Amelia,daughter of John and Betsy looks a very tempting candidate,the only thing thats putting me off is my Amys born 1876,this one is born 1880.

But then theres a registration for 1876 in that area.

Why would they have given their daughters age as nearly one if she was in fact five.And could they have done that?Would the enumerater have needed to see her?Im not really sure how it worked.

One clue is that John and Betsy didnt marry until Dec Quart 1879.This would have put there daughters  birth just after their marriage.

Would birth before marriage,and at 16 years old,have been frowned on then?

And would they have cared what the enumerator thought?

All these things im wondering about at the moment.

Betsys maiden name was Hearne,a well known traveller name.Ive been unable to find a Betsy or Elizabeth under any Herne variation who fits a traveller profile.

There were lots of traveller Hern/es in Kensington at that time as there was a large encampment at Notting Hill,even a Betsy Hern born 1866,but shes still with parents in 1881,so i keep searching for her,will post seperatly

John Mobeys wife was Amelia Huxley a/m/j 1859 kensington.Cant find anything that looks like her either.If Huxleys a traveller name its another ive never heard of.

Theres a 1901 entry for a William Mobey born 1870 Middlesex travelling hawker with several kids born Tunbridge Wells where my Frank Collins/Amy were married.Im wondering if this is Johns brother,though the age is four years different.

Some of the other travellers there are Davis.Caroline Moby married a Henry Davis,hawker.

Im going to have another trawl round now,any more thoughts and assistance greatly appreciated,

Many thanks,nel.
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: Steve G on Tuesday 22 September 09 02:49 BST (UK)


John Mobeys wife was Amelia Huxley a/m/j 1859 kensington.Cant find anything that looks like her either.If Huxleys a traveller name its another I've never heard of.

Theres a 1901 entry for a William Mobey born 1870 Middlesex travelling hawker .....

Some of the other travellers there are Davis. Caroline Moby married a Henry Davis, Hawker.



 Nel; In case ye wondering? Bob doesn't mention " Mobey / Moby " or " Huxley ".

 But, then; Ye own research appears to have the former down as Gypsy names?

 Once again then, a classic case of showing how The Book can be great, for adding a bit to what we may know. But, that finding nothing within actually proves nothing.

 Keep on digging, farmhouse  ;)
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: CitizenSmith on Tuesday 22 September 09 10:27 BST (UK)
Hi Nelwild

Your Amy Mobey was baptised as d of John and Amelia, Victoria Road, Chair Caner, at St John's, Fulham, 3 Dec 1876.

The marriage of John Mobey and Betsy Hearn took place in the same church, 3 Nov 1879. He's described as bachelor, 20, Stoker, 1 Victoria Road, son of John Mobey, Horse Dealer.

She is spinster, 20, d of Solomon Hearn, Tinman.

Both signed with X. Witnesses were W. Huxley and David Shopland (who both signed - the latter looking like a regular witness)

Found these on Ancestry.co.uk - who in the past few days have made available all of London's parish registers in digitised form (bapts 1813-1906; marriages 1754-1921; churchyard burials 1813-1980) :) So no need to buy pre-1906 London marriage certs any more...!

Best wishes
Sharon
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: nelwild on Tuesday 22 September 09 12:14 BST (UK)
Many thanks Both.

Steve,

I think with all reference books,the passing of time makes revised editions necessary,particurlary nowdays with info more easily shared,and new names constantly emerging.

Having said that,this sight in itself is like a constantly updated reference book.And it means Bobs info can potentially help a lot more researchers.

As always,im really grateful for your input.

And Sharon,

im equally grateful to you for confirming all that.I had no idea this info was free.

This is going to save a lot of time and money for a lot of people.

Regards,nel.   
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: CitizenSmith on Tuesday 22 September 09 13:46 BST (UK)
Glad the London parish register release info was useful. It's worth getting on Ancestry's newsletter mailing list to be kept alerted.

Best wishes
Sharon
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: CatOne on Tuesday 22 September 09 17:10 BST (UK)
Here are a few Huxley families that could be connected to Amelia, they have "traveller/gypsy" type occupations/names, and are in the right area (maybe the 71yr old William is her father/brother??) -

1881 RG11/1350 Folio 71 Page 57
24 William Street, Chiswick, Middlesex

William Huxley 45? Working Cutler NK
Caraline 40? Hawker NK
Alfred 19 General Labourer Chiswick
Selina 16 Laundress Chiswick
Elias 10 Scholar Chiswick

RG11/74 Folio 74 Page 6
Bagleys Lane 2 Victoria Cottages, Fulham, London

William Huxley 35 General Hawker Middx Turnham? Green
Charlotte 32 Hawker Chiswick
Charlotte 13 Chiswick
Mark 7 Scholar Chiswick
Susan 4 Scholar Fulham
Riley 2 Fulham
Millie 3mos Fulham
/
Albert Huxley 23 Basket Maker Fulham
Zealser??* 22 Uxbridge
Arthur 12mo Fulham

(* theres the marriage of an Arthur Huxley and Zelpha Smith in June 1877 Fulham  :-\)

1891 RG12/1033 Folio 113 Page 43
39 William Street, Chiswick, Middlesex

Venus Huxley 47 Hawker and Tinker Chiswick
Union 48?      "           "       Chiswick
Samuel 23 Labourer and Hawker Kent
Venus 17 Hawker Chiswick
John 12 Chiswick
Ada 19 Hawker Fulham
Amy 11 Fulham
Jane 10 Fulham

42 William Street, Chiswick, Middlesex
William Huxley 26 Hawker Chiswick
Ada 24 Hawker Walton on Thames
William 5 Fulham
Lizzie 3 Chiswick
Samuel 1 Chiswick
/
William Huxley widr 71 Tinman Tinker Kent
Alfred son 28 s Hawker Chiswick
Selina 22 m Flower Hawker Chiswick
William grandson 6 Chiswick
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: CatOne on Tuesday 22 September 09 17:28 BST (UK)
William Street, Chiswick seems to be a favourite street with the Huxleys and other Hawker families. In 1871, Venus, Union + 2 sons William and Samuel are living there, as well as, a few pages on, 51yr old William Huxley, Working Cutler, born Hadlow Kent, wife Caroline 47 b. Middx Harrow + children Ellen 16 Fulham, Arthur 13 Fulham, Selina 7 Chiswick, Liaas 2 Chiswick and Alfred 11 Fulham RG10/1321 Folio 81 Page 10 and 15

and 1861 enumerated as "Oxley"

RG9/28 Folio 79 Page 21
Russell Place North end, Fulham

William Oxley 42 "Butler" (I suspect this should be Cutler the same as 1871 occupation!) Kent Audley?
Caroline 37 Harrow
"Selinas"? son 19 Ostler Turnham Green
William son 10 Acton
Ellen dau 6 Fulham
Arthur son 2 Fulham
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: nelwild on Tuesday 22 September 09 23:48 BST (UK)
Catone

Many thanks for all this.

I think we can safely assume that the Huxleys in that area were either travellers or traveller connected from the names and occupations.

Now i need to find Amelia.

Ive tried the Ancestry site for the London records,but unfortunaetly my subscription doesnt allow it,so ill update it tomorrow.

Ive also now got a marriage to a Dixey/Dixie in the area,which after a few glasses of the tati parni looks very like Huxley.

You never know.

Nel.
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: rastajill on Wednesday 23 September 09 00:21 BST (UK)
The collins were a travelling family and still are look around travelling fairs Collins fair has been coming to Congleton in Cheshire for over 100 years now and they actually own a piece of land in the centre of Congleton which is still called The Fairground even thought the police station is now built on it after Frank Collins donated it to the people of Congleton.  Good luck with your search my Grandfather was very close to the travelling community and circus people and I know they are hard to pin down anywhere,
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: Steve G on Wednesday 23 September 09 00:49 BST (UK)

 tati parni


 :o Kakka, Farmhouse! Start that game and we'll have to start demanding our own board for Pogardi jib!  ;D
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: nelwild on Thursday 24 September 09 09:51 BST (UK)
Parakro Tute for that Steve,not a wafti idea,in fact quite a cushti one,Nel.

Rastajill

Many thanks for that.

Do you know if this Frank who ran the fairs was my Frank,or is it a related Collins family?

Either way,id be very intrested in any more info you might have.

All the best,Nel.
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: shehen23 on Saturday 17 October 09 21:48 BST (UK)
I have an extensive tree featuring a large number of the travelling families of the South but I have hit a total brick wall with the Collins line and I would really appreciate any help at all.   My great-grandfather was Leonard Collins  1899-12 Dec 1968. I know his father was also Leonard but I don't know his mother's name.  Can anybody please help?
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: casalguidi on Monday 19 October 09 09:18 BST (UK)
Hi Shehen23

When/where does your Leonard first turn up and where did he live?
Do you know if he had any siblings?
When you say his father was also Leonard, would this be information from the marriage certificate or family lore?

Casalguidi :)
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: shehen23 on Monday 19 October 09 12:01 BST (UK)
Hi, thanks for replying.  My Great-Grandfather Leonard Collins married Maude Eastwood in Mitcham, Surrey in 1919 but generally they travelled in Kent.
He had sisters Sarah Ann & Priscilla & a half sister who was known as Golie (I don't know what this stands for).
Golie used the surname Coates so we think their mother was also a Coates but we don't know.  Her name may have also been Priscilla but again we can't be sure.
I'm pretty sure their father was Leonard as my grandmother who is in her 80's remembers him quite well. Unfortunately, on the marriage certificate there is a blank space under 'Fathers Name' which is not very helpful!
There may have been other siblings that we are not aware of as I believe some of the family stayed in Kent whereas G Grandad Leonard eventually settled in Berkshire/Surrey.
I have searched & searched but I cannot find any trace of the family. However, I don't know Kent at all. Place names that have been mentioned are Chatham & Cray's pit but they could just have easily have referred to the Eastwood side of the family.
Any small bit of info would be appreciated.
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: nelwild on Monday 19 October 09 13:46 BST (UK)
Hello Shehen23

Seeing some of the names youve mentioned has made me think it might be worth posting some of the others i have on my tree.

Ive got Frank Collins,son of Francis(Frank) marrying Amy(Amelia)Mobey,daughter of John Mobey and Betsy Herne.

Betsy had a brother Joseph(Job)Herne who married Councelette Dixie j/f/m 1893 Bromley.She was born in Wandsworth in 1873.

I have Councelettes brother Philip born 1874 Battersea marrying Maud Ella Eastwood 24/12/1894 at St Andrews,Earlsfield.

Philip and Councellete had siblings Lydia,Patience,Britannia,Leonard,James and Anna.I have partners for most if you need them.

Parents Edward Dixey and Sarah Eastwood.

Back to Collins,i have William Collins born 1840 Ashford,Kent as Frank snrs brother,wife Elizabeth(Betsy) ??? born 1841 Danehill,Sussex.

Their children Walter,Priscilla,Susan,Matilda,Sarah Ann,Lucy and Albert,all born around Kent,mostly Ashford,Tonbridge except Walter the eldest born Croydon.

Albert married to Augusta Coates born 1879 Epsom,daughter of William Coates and Jane Eastwood who married o/n/d 1870 Southwark.

Augusta two sibs Caroline born 1877 Sevenoaks and William born 1871 Epsom.

William Coates snr brother Daniel born 1844 Ilford wife unknown.

Son James born 1877 Epsom marries Elizabeth Collins born 1876 Ashford,Kent.

Children James,Betsy and Sally all born Fulham.

Father of Daniel and William is Daniel born 1824 place unknown.

You may have this if not it might help.Its from my own research,some yet to be confirmed with certs.

Im not the best at unravelling complicated puzzels,but you or one of the better researchers might be able to pick up some leads.

Hope this helps and would be very intrested in anything you can add.

All the bet,

Nel.


 

 
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: casalguidi on Monday 19 October 09 16:01 BST (UK)
Possible ???

There is Leonard COATES son of Daniel & Priscilla baptised 8 Jan 1899 St Peter Fulham (basket maker of Elliott's Estate)

They appear to be among the group of families living in caravans at Princes Road, Mitcham at the time of the 1901 census ie.

Daniel COATES head mar 40 b.(not known)
Priscilla wife 34 b.(not known)
Sally dau 16 b.Norwood Surrey
Daniel son 12 b.Balham
Leonard son 8 b.Balham
Albert son 2 b.Balham

RG13/654 folio 121 page 54
.................

I'm wondering if Leonard's age in the census is correct ie. should it be 2 which would fit with the baptism ???

Is there any other information on Leonard's marriage certificate which might be useful ie. address/names of witnesses ???  Did he see WW1 service would you know?

Casalguidi :)
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: Barney123 on Saturday 31 October 09 19:13 GMT (UK)
hi

can any one help my grandfather belcher barnard had a sister called emily barnard who married tom collins in west ashford in 1932 apart from that i dont know much more my father as said they were 'old fashioned travellers
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: Emily V C on Tuesday 29 December 09 22:47 GMT (UK)
Barney

I have read many post of yours on this site and i have left replies to them.
You have written on here.....................

(can any one help my grandfather belcher barnard had a sister called emily barnard who married tom collins in west ashford in 1932 apart from that i dont know much more my father as said they were 'old fashioned travellers)

Your grandfather is my grandmothers brother.  My Gran was Emily Barnard who married my grandad Thomas Collins.  They had two children Thomas and Emily, Thomas (Tom/Tommy) is my dad.

I have been reading the threads above and i have little info on the Collins family side (all from Kent).  My grans side of the family is Barnard, Lee, Eastwood, Buckley, Gumble.  I would love to know more about the Eastwood side i only have 2 Eastwoods in my family tree.  Any pics would also be apprieciated.
Hope to hear from you soon
Emily Collins
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: Barney123 on Wednesday 30 December 09 14:09 GMT (UK)
Hi Emily

thanks for message....you are the first person from the barnard side of the family that i have had contact with,would love to know more about your granny Emily?........i have some photos that i will share with you..do you have any? and how do i send them as this site is new to me really Emily
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: casalguidi on Wednesday 30 December 09 18:52 GMT (UK)
You can post photographs of deceased persons on the site here on Rootschat by clicking the "attach a photograph or image" option beneath the main message when you reply to a post here or otherwise you can exchange personal email addresses (the Rootschat personal message system doesn't allow the sending of images) by clicking on the scroll beneath somebody's name to the left of one of their posts.  I hope that makes sense.

Casalguidi :)
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: Emily V C on Thursday 31 December 09 19:55 GMT (UK)
Barney i have left you a message on your email account

Emily Collins
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: garyjmobey on Thursday 04 March 10 14:59 GMT (UK)
You say, as far as you are aware, Mobey isn't a traveller name, but have a look at this traveller "Moby" family in 1881, in neighbouring caravan is the Light family (and in the Fulham area where Amy Mobey's birth was registered) -

RG11/72 Folio 32 Page 11
Caravan, Victoria Yard, Garden Row, Fulham, London

John Moby 21 General Dealer Middlesex Fulham
Betsy 22 Kent
Amelia? 8mo Middlesex Fulham

In 1871, John is with his parents John and Amelia, and siblings Caroline, Alfred, William and Riley, at 5 Melson? Street, Fulham (his dad John is Chair Caner and mum Amelia is a Hawker) RG10/67 Folio 90 Page 39 (Alfred Mobey married Emily Bone in Fulham 1884)

ps. Riley Mobey died Sept quarter 1874 age 4 Brentford 3a 57

I know this is likeley to be a bit late
but from my grandad Mobey's father (great grandad ?) and back
all the mobey's are Gypsies

and John  is common (at least 1 John Alfred) and I think an Amy too

- Gary John Mobey
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: charsy on Saturday 24 April 10 02:38 BST (UK)
I have an extensive tree featuring a large number of the travelling families of the South but I have hit a total brick wall with the Collins line and I would really appreciate any help at all.   My great-grandfather was Leonard Collins  1899-12 Dec 1968. I know his father was also Leonard but I don't know his mother's name.  Can anybody please help?

My grandfather was Leonard Collins, not your Leonard Collins, though they could be taken for twins going by your photograph... He was born Coates but used the name collins because he got banned from driving. He did scrap metal and horses. He came from the colnbrook/slough area and married (not legally) my granny June. They had 7 girls who were all very young when my grandfather passed away in (I think) 1971 on either christmas day or boxing day when they were living in west drayton midlesex. He is buried in Horton near Slough.
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: RankGorger on Thursday 19 May 11 03:08 BST (UK)
Parents Edward Dixey and Sarah Eastwood.

Nel, I am extremely interested in everything you know about these two. I believe they had a child who was called Cinementy (or some variant) - I'm her descendent and I cannot find anything about her! Could you shed any light?
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: alisonjogden on Friday 06 July 12 16:39 BST (UK)
Edward & Sarah did have a Cinementa Dixie born about 1897.

I just thought you might be interested that I have come across another Cinementa: Emanuel Hearn b abt 1843 Rickmansworth, Hertfordshire, England  married Cinementa/Sinementa/Cinamenti/Leander Hearn born about 1841 Stokenchurch, Oxfordshire.

Cinementa died 1894 abt Age: 53 Death. Buried on Nov 10th in Ruislip. London. The vicar with amazing sense has noted on the register page at the bottom all her other names: Cenementi or Ceneminte or Sinamenti or Leander. See baptism no 739 (which was daughter Amy's baptism in April 1875). At Amy's baptism he had cross referenced it with the Baptism of Britannia to Emanuel and Cinementa Hearn, saying that it was the same mother.

(Other Children - Siblings of Elizabeth Lucy Hearn (below)
Mary Ann Hearn 1864 – 
Myrence Marrenny Mirena Hearn 1868 – 
Joseph Hearn 1870 – 
Brittania Hearn 1873 – 
Amy Hearn 1875 – 
Methusalah Hearn 1878 – 
Bertie Hearn 1880 – 
Hannah Hearn 1884 –
Britannia was baptized on 2 Feb 1873 in Ruislip to Emanuel and Cinementa Hearn.
Joseph was born April 27th 1870 and bapt May 1st in Ruislip to Emanuel and Sinamente Hearne.
Amy was bapt 4 April 1875 in Ruislip to Emanuel and Leander Hearne.
Title: Re: Collins family/Dixies
Post by: alisonjogden on Friday 06 July 12 16:53 BST (UK)
Nel, you said 'Philip and Councellete had siblings Lydia,Patience,Britannia,Leonard,James and Anna.I have partners for most if you need them. Parents Edward Dixey and Sarah Eastwood.'
I would be interested to see what partners you have for them.

There are several varying lists of children, I think all the possibles are:
Another list of children:
Edward Dixie 1871 – 1945 (bapt 29 Nov 1871), Sarah Ann Dixie (bapt ? Greenwich St Alphege )
Philip Dixie 1873 – 1942 (married Maud Ellla Eastwood 24/12/1894 at St Andrew's Earlsfield.)
Lydia Dixie 1874,  Councelette Dixie 1876 (m. Job Hearne), Patience Dixie 1878, Britannia Dixie (m Henry Smith 4 Jun 1900 Christchurch,  Battersea) 1880 – 1963, Leonard Dixie 1886 – 1943 m. Britannia Deacons. Anna Dixie 1889, Possibly a James as well.
thanks
alison


Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: Isadora on Sunday 12 July 15 00:24 BST (UK)
You say, as far as you are aware, Mobey isn't a traveller name, but have a look at this traveller "Moby" family in 1881, in neighbouring caravan is the Light family (and in the Fulham area where Amy Mobey's birth was registered) -

RG11/72 Folio 32 Page 11
Caravan, Victoria Yard, Garden Row, Fulham, London

John Moby 21 General Dealer Middlesex Fulham
Betsy 22 Kent
Amelia? 8mo Middlesex Fulham

In 1871, John is with his parents John and Amelia, and siblings Caroline, Alfred, William and Riley, at 5 Melson? Street, Fulham (his dad John is Chair Caner and mum Amelia is a Hawker) RG10/67 Folio 90 Page 39 (Alfred Mobey married Emily Bone in Fulham 1884)

ps. Riley Mobey died Sept quarter 1874 age 4 Brentford 3a 57

I know this is likeley to be a bit late
but from my grandad Mobey's father (great grandad ?) and back
all the mobey's are Gypsies

and John  is common (at least 1 John Alfred) and I think an Amy too

- Gary John Mobey
Hi Gary
My great grandfather was John William Mobey who married Elizabeth Hearne.
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: Isadora on Sunday 12 July 15 05:47 BST (UK)
Catone,

many thanks for all this.I hadnt seen the 1871 Collins entry,so that takes me a bit further.

The Moby entries are very intresting.Ive had a look round,and there are lots of travelling Mobeys,but this is the first time ive come across them.

The 1881 entry for Amelia,daughter of John and Betsy looks a very tempting candidate,the only thing thats putting me off is my Amys born 1876,this one is born 1880.


But then theres a registration for 1876 in that area.

Why would they have given their daughters age as nearly one if she was in fact five.And could they have done that?Would the enumerater have needed to see her?Im not really sure how it worked.

One clue is that John and Betsy didnt marry until Dec Quart 1879.This would have put there daughters  birth just after their marriage.

Would birth before marriage,and at 16 years old,have been frowned on then?

And would they have cared what the enumerator thought?

All these things im wondering about at the moment.

Betsys maiden name was Hearne,a well known traveller name.Ive been unable to find a Betsy or Elizabeth under any Herne variation who fits a traveller profile.

There were lots of traveller Hern/es in Kensington at that time as there was a large encampment at Notting Hill,even a Betsy Hern born 1866,but shes still with parents in 1881,so i keep searching for her,will post seperatly

John Mobeys wife was Amelia Huxley a/m/j 1859 kensington.Cant find anything that looks like her either.If Huxleys a traveller name its another ive never heard of.

Theres a 1901 entry for a William Mobey born 1870 Middlesex travelling hawker with several kids born Tunbridge Wells where my Frank Collins/Amy were married.Im wondering if this is Johns brother,though the age is four years different.

Some of the other travellers there are Davis.Caroline Moby married a Henry Davis,hawker.

Im going to have another trawl round now,any more thoughts and assistance greatly appreciated,

Many thanks,nel.
Hello
I'm related to the Mobeys and am happy to help with any information if I can.
 John William Mobey was my great grandfather. He was born March 1st 1860 in Shepherds Bush London and died Oct 12th 1930 in Brisbane Australia (where I am). He married Elizabeth Betsy Hearne b 1859 d 1908. They lived in Fullham for quite some time before emigrating to a Australia. He was the son of John Alfred Mobey and Amelia Oxley Huxley. His siblings were Caroline b 1862, Alfred b 1863, Thomas b 1865, Rhoda b 1868, Riley b 1870, James b 1872, Rosina b 1874, Frederick b 1875 and Amy b 1876. John Alfred Mobey b 1842 Shepherd Bush d 1912 Fullham, London was the son of Alfred Mobey b 1820 Cowley, Middlesex d 1887 London and  Caroline Brewer b 1824 Hammersmith d 1921 Fullham. Amelia Oxley Huxley was the daughter of William Oxley Huxley 1820 - 1895 and Caroline Shoesmith 1823-1887. Alfred Mobey was the son of John Moby 1787-1847 and Sarah Shelton. John Moby was the son of Richard Mobey 1760 -1826 and Ann Cox 1766.
Hope that bit of info helps. If you like go to ancestry.com and you can access my public tree. Quelch-Harrison.
Kind Regards
Doreen
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: Lamps1 on Sunday 12 July 15 10:49 BST (UK)
Hi

I have a Collins family marrying into my line and this Collins family were Kent/Sussex based.

In the 1901 Census they are in a Caravan in Field in Ashford Kent but no other families are with them

Thomas Collins   40 1861 Icklesham Kent. Licensed Hawker
Mary Collins   41 1860 Hartford Kent. Licensed Hawker
Tom Collins   16  1888 Portsmouth Hampshire
Frank Collins   12 1889 Southborough Kent
Janette Collins   10 1891 Crowborough, Sussex
Rosey Collins   8 1893 Hadlow, Kent
Robb Collins   6 1895 Southborough Kent
Mary Collins   2 1899 Maidstone Kent

In the 1911 census the family are in a Gipsy Caravan, Colebrooke Road, High Brooms, Southborough

Thomas Collins   51 1860 Sussex Horse Dealer
Mary Ann Collins   51 1860 Colchester
Robert Collins   17 1894 Southborough, Kent Assists Father
Rosia Collins   18 1893 Hadlow Domestic
Mary Ann Collins   12 1899 Southborough Kent
Esther Collins   9 1902 Maidstone,  Kent

Robert Collins and his sister Rosie married into my family via the Willett family

Robert Collins married Nellie Willett 1912 Rye Sussex
Rosie Collins married Benjamin Willet 1913 Rye

Nellie and Benjimen were the children of Noah Willett 1848 Sussex and Reyner Willett (nee Deacon) 1855 Rumboldswyke Sussex.

Do not know if this is the same Collins family you are looking for

Paul
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: Lamps1 on Sunday 12 July 15 11:15 BST (UK)
In regards to the Mobey family i have a 1901 census return for my 2xgrandmother Mary Bacon (nee Roberts) in a Caravan on Braggs lane Bexhill with he husband Edward Bacon and Son Frederick Bacon and camped with them is:

William Mobey   31 1870 turnham Green, Middlesex, England Licensed Hawker
Esther Mobey   29 1872 Burwash, Sussex, England
Rose Mobey   12 1889 Tunbridge Wells
William Mobey   11 1890 Tunbridge Wells
John Mobey   9 1892 Tunbridge Wells
Rhoda Mobey   7 1894 Tunbridge Wells
Esther Mobey   5 1896 Tunbridge Wells

Paul
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: horsesmad on Tuesday 14 July 15 16:35 BST (UK)
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from what i can make out amelia huxley who married john mobey was the daughter of william huxley and Caroline shoesmith, i believe her brother Elias Huxley married elizabeth(betsey) dixie daughter of philip dixie and lydia smith :)
Title: Re: Dixie's family
Post by: Phillip Dixie on Sunday 22 May 16 15:50 BST (UK)
Hello Alison

Firstly let me introduce myself. My name is Phillip Dixie and I have been researching my family tree for the last 4 years. I am using Ancestry to create my tree.

File Name: Dixie Family Tree 4th November 1879-present. This tree is not made public yet.

I've started my tree from Edward Dixey my Great, Great Granddad & Sarah Anne Dixie (formerly Eastwood) married on the 4th November 1879. The marriage was solemnized at The Parish Church in the Parish of Croydon.

Their children were:

Edward Dixie (1871-1945) my Great Granddad, he is buried in the London Road Cemetary Plot 20 grave no 7343 along with his daughter Lydia who married a William Huxley. I tend to their grave. Edward died on the 17th January 1945 aged 73 and Lydia died on the 17th January 1985 aged 83, the really strange one on this is Edward's son and Lydia's brother Leonard was born on the 17 January 1898 unfortunately he was killed in action on the 30th September 1918 at Noyelles, Nord, Nord-Pas-de-Calais, France. I have all his military records and war medal plus pictures of his gravestone.

Phillip Dixie (1873-1942) is buried along with Maude Ella Dixie (formerly Eastwood) (1876-1963) at St Mary & St Nicholas's Church Cemetary, Leatherhead, Surrey, England. Grave No: 31736. I have three of their children who were Patience born 16th January 1899 - Edward born 5th May 1901 - Philip born 5th March 1905, still researching for more children.

Lydia Dixie (1874-1955) who married Edward James White. Edward died on the 9th September 1944 aged 75 - Lydia died on the 25th March 1955 aged 80 and their son Edward James died on the 16th September 2013 aged 100.

Clothilde 1876
or
Councellettie 1876 I know that Councellettie went on the marry a Job(Jacob) Hearn. Was Councellettie also known as Clothilde or have I just picked up a rogue child in my record search?

Patience Dixie (1878- no more info on this lady. Still researching. Help if you can.

Britannia Dixie 1880-1963) who married Henry Smith. They had three children a Sarah Smith born 1904 - Caroline Smith born 1906 and Patience Smith born 1911. Not much is known about this family. Still researching.

Ada Dixie (1884-1888).

Leonard Dixie (1886-1943) who married Britannia Deacons (1883-1985 - 103 what a great age). Their children consisted of a Philip Dixie (1905-1966) who married Ellen Mary Chapman on the 30th June 1924 they had 4 children. Lydia Dixie (1907-2000) who married a Frank Bush (1899-1985) they had a son Philip Bush (1934-1997). Hannah Dixie (1910-1983) who married Frederick Sparrowhawk (1909-1951). Henry Dixie (1911-1952) who married Margaret Emma O'Doherty (1914-1999). They had a son Leonard C Dixie (1939-2001). Sadly Henry was killed on Christmas Day.

James Nelson Dixie (1888- no more info can be found at the moment. Still researching.

The last two.

Sarah & Hannah. I have birth records for both of these children. They were born on the 1st June 1890 to Edward & Sarah Dixie of 17 Sibthorpe Road, Mitcham which is the same address that Sarah & her children were on the 1891 Census. Edward died in November 1889 so I think that Sarah must have conceived just prior to his death.

Sarah only lived for 2 years and Hannah lived for 13 years.

Well, after all that what I would love to know is do you know of anybody who might have pictures of these people so that I can possibly obtain them for my tree instead of gravestones and indexes.

Going to close now, hope to hear from you soon.

Phil










Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: *Sandra* on Saturday 11 June 16 17:44 BST (UK)


Also posted here - http://www.rootschat.com/forum/index.php?topic=750146.0
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: Leebob73 on Friday 30 December 22 11:43 GMT (UK)
Not sure if this helps my father recently passed so we're finding bits of his family his name was Robert marshall his mum was ivy moby dad was auther marshall ivy's mum was amelia moby I think who's mum and dad was Alfred and Emily bone but that's as far as iv got so far
Title: Re: Collins family
Post by: waynus james on Friday 14 April 23 16:26 BST (UK)
hallo my grate granny was minnie collins she marred john james  her father was samuile collins he marred amy ayres all lived in mitcham had a big family any relation to you best wishes waynus