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I found a possible name in the 1841 census, but the p.o.b. was Foreign parts. Not very remarkable, but everybody else on the page were foreign parts too. The location was a hotel in Ross on Wye, Herefordshire.
Ref F4 R11 20
What was the meaning of foreign parts? I presume another country, but why so many in one place?
Mike
Copyright acknowledged.
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Just to say that this is an example of a reference for the 1841 Census
HO107; Piece 196; Book: 13;Folio: 18; Page: 30;
Stan
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any occupations shown?
are you sure its not just the enumeration using that column as a scratchpad / counting aid - seen that before !
As Stan M implies, if you give us a propere refn, or a name, might be able to comment further? ;)
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The column has whether born in Scotland, Ireland, or Foreign Parts, to be shown as 'S' 'I' or 'F'. Was everyone else shown as F ?
Stan
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HO 107/421/17
Occupations are not included in 1841 census
The word Foreign is written in full.
The spesific person is not important and may not be a reli. But Foreign for so many looked odd.
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HO 107/421/17
Occupations are not included in 1841 census
It should be HO107 Piece; Book:; Folio:; Page:;
Yes they are :) the column is headed
PROFESSION, TRADE,
EMPLOYMENT
or of
INDEPENDENT MEANS
Stan
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Try HO 107 / 412 / Book 17 / Folio 6 / Page 19
I think most of them are born out of county, not in foreign parts. Most of them have 'N' written against their names in the 'whether born in the same county' column. So far as I can see only four are foreign. The enumerator has (rather confusingly) used what looks like a ditto mark to indicate no entry.
Jennifer
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For instance, here there are three foreign, one Scotland and the rest born out of county.
(http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/4189/rosshotel.png) (http://img441.imageshack.us/i/rosshotel.png/)
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THe enumerator appears to have used " to indicate that they were not born in Scotland, Ireland, or Foreign Parts, as every page has this except where, contrary to instructions, he has written "foreign". In the extract you show he has written do for the second person where the two people are Foreign. The transcribers for ancestry have interpreted " as meaning ditto when it does not. As Jennifer has pointed out in the column headed "Whether born in same County" they nearly all have Y for Yes
Stan
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Occupations are not included in 1841 census
pleasingly, they are included ;)
and the column's integrity is not a million miles from what I thought :P
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Oooops. Well done you.
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Don't forget that Ireland was regarded as a foreign country in 1841.
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Don't forget that Ireland was regarded as a foreign country in 1841.
Not as far as the Census was concerned ;)
The Instructions to Enumerators for the 1841 census were that 'S' was entered for those born in Scotland, 'I' for those born in Ireland and 'F' for Foreigners. http://www.rootschat.com/links/04on/
Jennifer
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Don't forget that Ireland was regarded as a foreign country in 1841.
Not as far as the Census was concerned ;)
The Instructions to Enumerators for the 1841 census were that 'S' was entered for those born in Scotland, 'I' for those born in Ireland and 'F' for Foreigners. http://www.rootschat.com/links/04on/
Jennifer
As I Posted on: Yesterday at 15:00:31 :)
The column has whether born in Scotland, Ireland, or Foreign Parts, to be shown as 'S' 'I' or 'F'. Was everyone else shown as F ?
Stan
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Don't forget that Ireland was regarded as a foreign country in 1841.
Not as far as the Census was concerned ;)
The Instructions to Enumerators for the 1841 census were that 'S' was entered for those born in Scotland, 'I' for those born in Ireland and 'F' for Foreigners. http://www.rootschat.com/links/04on/
Jennifer
I posted that because I have found some Irish people shown as 'F' in 1841 censuses that I've looked through, so I assumed that Ireland was regarded as a foreign country. Obviously some enumerators thought it was (or the people who filled in the forms).