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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Denbighshire => Wales => Denbighshire Lookup Requests => Topic started by: jmo12 on Monday 21 September 09 17:41 BST (UK)
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My GGGrandfather, John Edwards kept the Mount Pleasant Inn, Broughton (Moss?) in 1871. Does this pub still exist? Where can I find more about this pub? Are there any old photos available or any books etc. about the history of this area?
Many thanks
John
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There is a Mount Pleasant Inn in Llay which is 3 or 4 miles south of Broughton and seems to be up-for-sale:-
http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-18286537.html
Don't know if it's the same place. Does it say on the census the name of the road/street that it's on or give any clue to adjacent streets?
Gwyn
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Thanks for your reply Gwyn. Unfortunately my Mount Pleasant pub is not the one in Llay.
The next entry to the pub ,in the 1871 census, is Cerney. I do not knoe if this is a street or area or what!
Thanks for your interest
John
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There is a Cerney Road in Moss in the area of Broughton and Brymbo which looks to be the right road.
http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=Cerney%20Rd%2C%20Moss%2C%20Wrexham%2C%20Clwyd%20LL11%2C%20United%20Kingdom&um=1&ie=UTF-8&sa=N&tab=wl
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Can't find any photos through google but there are a couple of mentions of the Mount Pleasant Inn, Moss on the BBC website which you may well have seen already:-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/wales/northeast/sites/wrexham/pages/llaycolliery.shtml
There is a website for The Brymbo Heritage Group which covers Moss. Someone there might be able to help with info on the pub:-
http://www.bhg.org.uk/
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Many thanks Gwyn. I will check these out.
Regards
John
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have sent a personal message
The Pub is definatley not open now, and I can`t remember it being so in the last 30 years, but of course could be wrong.
From a local history map I have where it is marked and named, it looks to be somewhere close to here. x on the aeriel shot. Just before St Pauls Church, Broughton. You can see the graveyard to the left.
http://www.flashearth.com/?lat=53.0743&lon=-3.038411&z=18.2&r=107&src=msl
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Many thankls for the information. Will look it up .
Thanks
John
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Just checking that you're definitely not talking about the Mount Pleasant Inn in Llay? Only if you are we share a common interest as my GGGrandfather, Benjamin Jones, was the Inn keeper of the Llay pub in 1891!
Looking at the Llay pub on Google Earth, the bus stop in front is described as 'Burton, Mount Pleasant Inn' but not entirely sure what that means (could it just be the route that particular bus takes?)
Anyway thought I'd mention it on the off chance we were talking about the same place.
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It`s not the same one, yours is on the `Straight Mile` from Llay to Rossett, and still open :)
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John
The Mount Pleasant Pub was off Bryn-Y -Gaer Road, where St Paul's Church is. It was a little dirt track right at the bottom of the road on the left hand side. My Mum remembers a Mrs Wynne owning it around about 1930-1935. I have a few local history books about the area as I originate from Moss but now living in Stafford. My Uncle wrote one quite a number of years ago and he mentions some of the pubs in that so I'll see if I can find it.
Lynne
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Many thanks Lynne. I will visit that area soon. If you do find any more information in your books, please let me know.
I have n't checked this forum for quite a while hence the delay in replying.
Thanks again and good hunting
John
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My grandparents owned this pub - their names were Wynne. The pub was closed and became a private residence after my grandfather died in 1975. After my grandmothers death in 1977, the house was sold. I am still trying to find photographs - the only one I have at present is of the rear of the building! The pub was still open when I was a child but when we were visiting my grandparents we were only allowed to peep into the bar from the doorway!
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Many thanks Barjo for your comments. Is the present building largely the same outside as it was in 1871, do you think?Any further info would be welcome.
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The last time I visited Moss, it was not easy to see the building as there is a large fence round it now but I will be back there in a few weeks to do more research and visit some of my relatives so will let you know how I get on.
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Thanks. I too hope to visit that area in the not too distant future and see the building and its location.
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I shall have a look for the book over the weekend. I'm pretty sure it's called Memories of Moss and Pentre by my Uncle, Wally Evans. I don't know if it's in print now as he wrote it in the early 1980's.
Who was your Father/Mother? as my Mum said she knew most of Mr and Mrs Wynne's children as she was in school with them.
Lynne
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Hi Barjo
The book is called Broughton Then and Now by John Bagshaw, copyright was Broughton Local History Group 1993. There is a Chapter (Chapter 7) called Inns, Taverns and Beerhouses and a map with a 'key' which lists where all the pubs were. This is not the book my Uncle wrote. That one was called Moss and Pentre Memories by Wally Evans 1985. My Mum thinks only a handful of copies were printed.
tervlynia
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Hello,
Your post fascinated me as my Great Grandfather Thomas Williams with his Wife Elizabeth and their 7 children were also registered at The Mount Pleasant Inn, Broughton for the 1871 census. I would be most interested if you manage to find anything more.
malc69
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Hi Malc69
Are you sure that your ancestors are registered in 1871 at Mount Pleasant Inn Broughton? I ask because when I read the 1871 census entry for the Mount Pleasant inn there was just John Edwards and his family there!!
Could your ancestors have been there in 1881 perhaps, because John Edwards had moved out by then.
jmo12
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John Edwards head publican is at Mount Pleasant Inn schedule 109, but Thomas Williams head coal miner and his family are " " (ditto) but schedule 110, it seems like two seperate buildings then
There are 4 total of houses , with 4 inhabited on the page.
Broughton > District 9 > page 17
Thomas Williams 41 coal miner b Soughton Flints
Elizabeth Williams 39 b Brymbo
Robert H Williams 15 ditto
Mary E Williams 11 b America
Richard H Williams 9 ditto
Matthew H Williams 7 ditto
John H Williams 4 b Bymbo
William S Williams 2 ditto
Thos H Williams 7 Months ditto
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Hi Wilcoxon
Wow! That is interesting. I will revisit that census.
Thanks
jmo12
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Hello Tervlynia/Lynne,
Did you ever track down your uncle Wally's book on Memories of Moss and Pentre?
Best wishes,
John Wynne
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Hello,
Can anyone help - my great grandfather Thomas Williams who was at the Mount Pleasant Inn died sometime between 1873 and 1881. I am hoping to visit the area later this year and would appreciate any advice as to where he might have been buried, is there a graveyard there?
Thank you in anticipation.
Malcolm Ellis
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Can anyone help - my great grandfather Thomas Williams who was at the Mount Pleasant Inn died sometime between 1873 and 1881. I am hoping to visit the area later this year and would appreciate any advice as to where he might have been buried, is there a graveyard there?
It would be too early for St Pauls, but he could be in Brymbo, if he was Non Conformist then you may have some trouble finding him.
This site is good as long as there is a headstone.
http://www.tom-mercer-mi-indexes.org.uk/index.htm
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I see the family are still in Broughton in 1881
RG11; Piece: 5516; Folio: 47; Page: 32
Broughton > District 9 > page 32
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Mount Pleasant Inn in Pentre Broughton (Moss) was still there in 1911.
Edward WYNNE (73) was the "beer house keeper" then.
He was living there with a 17 year-old "relative" called Edward David/Daniel WYNNE.
In 1901 Edward (62) was also a publican, but he was living at 11 Cross Road, Broughton, with son Edward David WYNNE (aged 7).
I thought that might perhaps be where the pub was, and looked in the 1964 Ordnance Survey map, which shows the large house on the corner of Cross Road and Bryn-y-Gaer Road to be labelled "Mount Pleasant".
In the summary book for that area, Edward WYNNE is shown at the Mount Pleasant Inn, No. 11, next to 12 Cross Road.
I believe that the Mount Pleasant Inn was at 11 Cross Road. The building is still there, but a private residence now.
Cheers,
John
PS: the Godfrey Edition of Old Ordnance Survey Maps for Moss Valley & Gwersyllt notes that E. WYNNE was at the Mount Pleasant Inn in 1909.
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It was delicenced in 1956.
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My grandfather Dennis Wynne lived at the mount pleasant and it was still owned by the Wynne family until it was de licenced in the 50's.
Maud Francis Wynne my great grandmother married to Daniel Wynne ran the pub and In fact bought the pub off the brewery!
I took my grandmother for a drive up there today!
The property is now devided into separate houses!
She has a lot of stories to tell about the Wynne family of the time.
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My dad believes this was in the 1940’s Mount Pleasant, Pentre Broughton. This is his Grandad (William H Davies) and dad and uncle.
Update - not sure how to upload a photo?!
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I am very interested in this post as I seem to have come across a connection on a marriage certificate dated 1898. This is of one of my late mothers relatives on her fathers side. It shows George Wynne 22ys of Mount Pleasant Cerney marrying Mary Elizabeth Williams 20yrs of the Tunnel Inn Moss. I think the couple may have been my great grandparents I also remember a relative called Dennis Wynne who owned a chippy in the Moss.
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I believe 3 entries are required before i can send a private message to activate this chat again. I will try to see if i can also upload the map i have of moss valley from the history society
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My husbands father also lived at 12 Boathouses moss when he was a child. Strange to think he may have known my relatives.
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My Dad Des was born in Mount Pleasant in 1935 and his mum and dad were Maud and Daniel. My dad after getting married lived in 10 Mount Pleasant next door and this is where I was born along with my brother. My dad sadly passed away a couple of years ago but my mum Gwenda is still with us. The pub had been turned into a residential property by the time I was born in 67, but I still have memories of going into the cellar where the beer was kept and the old area on the left hand side of the front / back door ( not sure what door was used when operating as a public house ) where the bar was situated. We also spent a few months living in number 12 around 1980.