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Wales (Counties as in 1851-1901) => Wales => Flintshire => Topic started by: brephy on Tuesday 22 September 09 14:56 BST (UK)
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In late 1800s Wood Lane and Paradise Farm existed in this area. Does anyone know of a connection between the two, and do either still exist
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Hi brephy, I know Wood Lane still exists I pass it every time I go to the archives in Hawarden :).
I don't know about Paradise Farm :(
What makes you think there is a connection between the two :-\?
Paul.
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Thanks Paul. I have the birth certificate of my grandfather born Wood Lane May 1867 and the person who registered the birth was "Occupier" of Wood Lane - no number. His name was Weigh and was married to a probable relation. I know that a Weigh family lived at Paradise Farm 1881. I wondered if it was in Wood Lane and if grandfather could have been born there. What is is like now?
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Hi there,
I'm afraid Paradise Farm no longer exists. It disappeared under what is now St David's Park. In fact, if I remember correctly, the Weigh family used to live there right up until the land was built on or certainly until the late(ish) 1960's.
The farm was off Wood Lane. In fact nearby there is a small housing developement called Paradise Place.
I'll make some enquiries and if they prove positive I'll let you know.
Good luck with your research.
:)
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Hi Thankyou very much for that information and for offering to send any more. Interesting that the Weigh Family lived there for so long. It does appear that grandfather was born at the farm as there is no number stated. Perhaps there were no more houses in Wood Lane at that time. I should like to know anything you can discover.
Thanks again
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Hi brephy, if you could post some Christian names I'll see if I can find any thing in the archives.
Paul.
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Thankyou. The man who registered the birth of my grandfather Aaron Phythian in 1867 was Edward Weigh. He was a farmer from Hawarden when he married Jane Yates of Liverpool in 1851. Aaron's mother Sarah Phythian was the daughter of Sarah nee Yates also born Liverpool. In 1871, Sarah and Aaron were back home in Haydock with the family. I would like to know all about Jane and Edward and any children. Edward's father was Robert Weigh, also a farmer.
Thanks again
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Hi there,
Yes, I was right. Paradise Farm was occupied by the Weigh family right up until the land was bought by the developers for building houses and thus the land now forms part of St Davids Park estate. Construction of the park started in the 80's if I remember correctly.
Can't help any further at this stage.
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Thankyou. I am pleased to know now more about Paradise farm and the Weigh family. I am now looking for Jane's family in Liverpool. Thanks again.
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Hello Brephy.....
Not sure if this will help, but here is a list of The Weigh children, born to Robert Weigh jnr
Robert Weigh - Sarah Jones , married January 30th 1815, Robert was a labourer
Sydney Weigh, daughter of Robert Weigh and Sarah Jones / born 14 Feb 1815 baptised 1 March
Occupation , Farmer, Wood Lane
EDWARD WEIGH, son of Robert Weigh and Sarah Jones / born 3rd Oct 1816 , baptised 27th October
Occupation , Labourer , Ewloe
Joseph Weigh, son of Robert and Sarah / born 28th February 1818 baptised May 29th
Occupation Labourer, Ewloe
Samuel , son of Robert and Sarah / born 26th December 1819, baptised 9th Jan 1820
Occupation Labourer, Wood Lane
The following children, are also the children of Robert and Sarah. On their baptims, he is described as a Small Farmer, of Wood Lane
Thomas, born 13th November 1821
John , born 11th March 1823
Mary , born 13th May 1825
Jane, born 1st October 1827
Elizabeth , born 30th September 1829
Hope this helps
JeannieR
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Thankyou JeannieR. I am really getting a picture of the Weigh family now and where my grandfather was born. It does look as though Edward, his father and probably other family members worked on Paradise Farm and they lived in the farm house or perhaps a cottage on Wood Lane belonging to the farm. They were such a large family, I doubt they would have had room for my great grandmother if she had not been related.
Best wishes
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Hi Brephy
Just been reading your post, Edward Weigh and Jayne Yates were Brother and Sister-in-law of my Great-Great-Great-Grandfather, Thomas Weigh, Edward's Father Robert is my Great-Great-Great-Great-GrandFather, They owned Paradise Farm.
Regards Ivor
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Hi Brephy
Sorry I forgot to say that Paradise farm was in Wood Lane.
Regards Ivor
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Hi Ivor
I was very pleased to see your posting. I feel sure that Sarah Phythian must have gone to stay with relatives to have her illegitimate baby because her mother Sarah Phythian nee Yates was ill at the time and died soon afterwards. Sarah and the baby were accepted by the family. I haven't yet been able to find the connection between Jane Yates and Sarah Yates, and therefore proof that they were related. I know that they both came from Liverpool. The marriage cert of Jane and Edward in 1851 gives their ages as "full". I have a baptism for a Jane Yates in 1826 in Childwall, the place where my Sarah Yates married James Phythian. I think Jane died 1880. According to the details given by JeannieR, I see that Thomas was your ancestor. Do you know if Edward took on the farm and where his siblings lived? Do you know anything at all about the Yates family? Do you know if our Jane was born 1826? I should be glad of any information at all.
Thanks again.
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Hi Brephy
Firstly I have not really done any research on Jane Yates, other than, she was born in Woolton, Liverpool in 1826, I think her Father was called Joseph, Jane did die in 1880 at Paradise Farm, Edward took the farm over from his father Robert, I have vast amount of Weigh's in my tree, if you wish I can invite to be a member, My Tree is on Myheritage and I would need your email address to do this, in the mean time I will try searching for the Yates family.
Best Regards Ivor
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Hi Brephy
Question? did Aaron Phythian marry trice, firstly to Alice Hannah Baines and then to Elizabeth Forshaw, if that is true, do you have a photo of Aaron.
Regards Ivor
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eddie and emily weigh were the last owners of Paradise farm, they sold the land off to Redrow in the 80's, and lived in the middle of the 3 bungalows in paradise place, they have both and there were no sons or daughters.
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Hi Ivor
Many thanks. I have sent you a personal message. Yes Aaron was married to Alice Hannah Baines then to my grandmother Elizabeth Forshaw. He died in 1897. I do have a photo.
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I too have been doing family research into Weighs and Yates. I'm interested in the story of Sarah giving birth at My grandmothers birthplace, paradise farm. Any further news?
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HI Shirlsanne
I have put a posting on the Yates forum asking about your family tree. It sounds as though you are descended from Edward and Jane. Is this so?I sent for the marriage cert to find out the name of Jane's father then I could hopefully find out if Jane and my great x2 grandmother Sarah were sisters. I know most of the descendants of Sarah and James Phythian but was getting nowhere with the Yates. This forum has helped a lot. I should be glad of any information you have on the Yates.
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In Welsh wills website I found 26 Weigh wills , all of Hawarden.
Edward Weigh : 1566.
In Hawarden Probate Records, 1554-1858 (WlAbNL)3650007
Details Weigh, Edward, Ewloe, Hawarden, Flint
Unfortunatly wills held at Hawarden will are not able to be viewed online, but it seems the Weigh family have been in that area for many years.
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Hi All
Thank you for the recent news re the Weighs. I will definately look into the Weigh wills when I next go to Hawarden records office. I have traced the Weighs back to the end of the 1500s and have one or two maps old maps the area.By the way has Barry Sheen any significance for Hawarden? I have Sheens from Hawarden in my grandfathers tree. Shirley :)
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No Hawarden links with Sheene, I am just a bike fan and he was one of my favourites. :) :) :)
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Strange.....I'm sure I recall that Barry Sheene's daughter is called Sydney which is a common name for girls in Hawarden!
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Just browsing and came across you post, My grandfather was a sheen from woodlane, and his sister lived at wellfield on the highway next door to the high school, his brother lived opposite the high school.
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Hi there, I have Sheens in my family tree too. My grandfather (Jones) had ancestors who were Sheens. Probabaly my X4 Gt Grandmother Margaret Sheen. :)
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My grandfather was Joe Sheen, his sisters were Vida & Mary, his brother was Dan , I think they had cousins who lived down Aston Lane .
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Hi Hovis. I don't live near Hawarden but have visited a few times. I know Wood Lane as my grandmother was born there. Have you looked into the Sheen family as the name Daniel gets passed down throught the generations. I would be interested if you have any info about the Sheens. Shirley
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John SHEEN (1874-1947), had a brother William and there father was Daniel SHEEN (1842-1928).
This Daniel SHEEN married Mary Ann DAVIES (1851-1910) and had 5 children:
John SHEEN (1874-1947)
Ann(e) SHEEN (1875-?)
Edward Davies SHEEN (1877-1918)
Daniel SHEEN (1880-?)
Gertrude Mary SHEEN (1887-1912)
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Daniel SHEEN (1880-?) married Ealenor HOLLINS (1886-?) in 1902 and had 6 children:
Mary SHEEN (1902-?)
Daniel SHEEN (1904-?)
John SHEEN (1907-1907)
Edward SHEEN (1907-?)
Joseph Hollins SHEEN (1913-?)
Vida Cliffe SHEEN (1916-?)
Going back from Daniel SHEEN (1842-1928) I have the following:
His parents were:
John SHEEN (1803-1876) and Susannah DAVIES (1811-1852) who had 6 children.
His parents were:
Daniel SHEEN (1764-1840) and Elizabeth EDWARDS (1775-1843), who had 9 children.
His parents were:
John SHEEN (1733/34-1777) and Ann PARRY (?-1793), who had 4 children.
His parents were John SHEEN (?-1777) and Kathrine LEACH (?-1776), who had 4 children. T
This John SHEEN and a Daniel SHEEN (?-1722) look like they could be the sons of Daniel SHEEN (?-1722) and Jane ? (?-?) who were the first Sheens to move into the Bretton/Broughton/Hawarden area.
The family farm was right in the middle of the airfield where Airbus broughton is today
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Dear all,
A book that may be of interest is "Just a Tick" by H I Donnell.
The book is the author's memoirs from his birth in Caerwys, through to his early years and raising a family in the Mancot & Hawarden area (and then on to his days with the RAF in WW2).
It's a rich source of place names (streets, farms, shops, houses etc.) plus residents at the time (1920s onwards).
It should be in local libraries, and is also on Amazon etc.
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Hi brephy, I know Wood Lane still exists I pass it every time I go to the archives in Hawarden :).
I don't know about Paradise Farm :(
What makes you think there is a connection between the two :-\?
Paul.
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paradise farm was a working farm in wood lane it has now been knocked down and new houses have been built on the site 40ish years ago my dads friend used to live there I vagley remember going there as a child.
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Hi brephy, I know Wood Lane still exists I pass it every time I go to the archives in Hawarden :).
I don't know about Paradise Farm :(
What makes you think there is a connection between the two :-\?
Paul.
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Hi Interested that you used to visit the farm. When would that have been? Who was your dad's friend? My grandmother was born on the farm :)
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Hi it was many years ago when I was a child when I used to go with my dad.I am now aged 60 I must have been sevenish or maybe older.My dad friend was Eddie Weigh I cant recall his wifes name the farm I think was Paradise Farm as I remember there was always a cuppa on the go. My husband is an electrician and he remembers doing work for him in the dairy maybe 35 or so years ago he was also a happy cheery bloke just like my dad.My dad had a milk round around Penerlag woodlane,Ewloe Northophall and later on the new houses that were built in Aston.
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It is interesting that you remember an Eddie Weigh at Paradise Farm. It looks as though descendants of Jane Yates lived there for a very long time and even the name Edward is passed down. The 1960s don't seem long ago to me.